with good connections, yeah, it was always easier for her to make it look like i was the bad one, yeah, if there were any conflict situations or something went out of the house, then i was the bad one, but not her husband with pedophilic tendencies, did you ever think about going somewhere to tell someone other than your aunt? yes, i did. and once i said that i would go to the police, then there was the police, i would write a statement against him, in response he laughed openly, he laughed in fact, openly and very sincerely, yeah, and well i realized that i would not get help anywhere, because i knew about that, with who does he communicate with, who is his friend and what connections does he have in principle, perhaps there was a feeling of such helplessness, it was a small town, i was born, grew up in kislovodsk, in

kislovodsk, a fairly large city, in fact, and despite all of its, of course, connections , it is clear that if you really asked for help there at 12-13 years old, with a high degree of probability you would have received it, but at that moment, when you are here, i imagine that his laughter is still in your ears, when the cry that i will do this, and it causes rapist laugh. well, it is clear that at this point you are already a hostage, and powerless, if i asked you to describe him positively, what would you say, if there are such words, look, if not, just say no, this is a test question, and maybe it will be subjective on my part, but i can’t say anything positive about him, because a person is formed not only from the attitude towards me. but also the attitude towards

the family as a whole, he abused my aunt, he beat her, she lived in such an aggressive marriage, it is still a mystery to me why she did not divorce him, precisely because she was a hostage, you managed to somehow avoid this state, that is why i ask such test questions, you see, if you, for example, really were absolutely powerless. like that, but he was very generous or very kind, and it is great that you do not have this, because she explained it to herself, somehow, we will leave her alone now, but you do not have this, it is great, it is great, because in the end... you left, in the end you

found a way, the attempts that you made, speaks of the fact that the will, your inner will, it pulled you out of there, and if today we talk about how to change reality in the present, then we have a will, and this is very great, so we will somehow impose everything else on it, because your will is what you have, and this is very true.

what is interesting is precisely the intimate side of the issue, yeah, and i didn’t want to continue this relationship, yes, you were afraid of this, i was very i was afraid, at 19 i had, well, you could say, such an extreme relationship, after which i didn’t date anyone at all until i was 29, until i met my husband , i didn’t meet my husband, who had enough delicacy, patience, so that you would still yes... him in your life, that is, at

some point i realized that there was no such man, no such guy in my circle who was ready... unwillingness to have a child, because this person, a bastard, said this phrase, that your first child will still be from me, you know, i want, i want to become a mother, i want a child, but yes, but i have

some internal limitations that do not let me go beyond my limits, i asked for help, i twice... took courses with psychologists, but they did not cure me of this, and what courses, i mean, what happened there, what was the methodology, i cannot name the methodology, i do not know, they talked, various visualizations were connected there, imagine this, and if it were like this, i attended appointments twice a week for 3 months with two different.

you discovered there a colossal wisdom that helped you, in fact, to remain a completely normal, healthy person, you did a lot, you know, i think that everything was motivated by my fear, because fear would have made you go

to bed with him, there was a moment in my life when i wanted to stop the further development of my life cycle, that is, did you have thoughts about ending your life there, yes, yes, and for this i chose the balcony, yeah, yeah, but after standing outside, fear stopped me, i was stopped by the fear not of it all ending, but of it beginning, of it beginning if i stayed alive, that i wouldn’t be able to escape, that i wouldn’t be able to... uh , control anything at all, that’s why i ’m saying, it’s your rage, obviously, i can’t say how it would have caused his rage, but i was simply afraid of that state when - well, i wouldn’t be able to resist, yeah

, you know, uh, zhenya, you may have ever watched a tv show , like, in the animal world, of course, and seen, for example, a story like... then she stands there shaking, yeah, she shakes, if maybe you didn't remember this, yes, then not from fear, there is no fear, but there is fright, fear is only in humans, because fear is always born in the future about what may be, she shakes precisely in order to relieve the tension that she experienced

at the moment when she ran away, when she saved her own life, she shakes off cortisol, she shakes off the stress itself, she shakes off this instinct, because...

it was a wild story to put on a swimsuit, i understand, i didn't wear short shorts there,

short skirts, when i was 18-19 years old, i dressed as if i was already 35, for example, and well, to some extent i think that well, i missed this life, i missed all the convenient moments that you may find it uncomfortable to imagine yourself as a belly dancer, right? what feelings does this evoke in you, this is, let's say , a key lock that does not allow you to get into yourself, when i talk about another wife, i'm talking about this one, who has no shame in this, who is not ashamed her body, she is not afraid of her feelings in the body, she allows it all to be, here is belly dancing - this is in fact, as if now it is part of such a restaurant culture, let's call it. but in fact it is a temple dance, which manifests in general, in principle

, life that comes through the female body, so if you are ready, then i would definitely recommend you to go straight to belly dancing courses, this is a very interesting idea, a recipe, it is not just an idea, it is a real recipe, it is not even advice, if you want to read a wonderful book, it it's called: awakening of the tiger, peter levin, i think, if i remember correctly, exactly levin, in which you will directly see all these practices, because you need to go back there, at that moment when this creature looks at you, and you dance, that's where your will will arise, when you can do it, that 's where everything else will be born, because here you say where to find it, i showed you where to look for it, thank you, thank you very much, this is really a very important conversation,

stories, very few people dare to voice it, it's true, so for this you special bow thank you very much, well, dear viewers, you listened to our conversation and zhenya's story about the drama that happened in her life, and i want to say again that do not call it a tragedy, because a tragedy is a completed action, your life is just beginning, it is dramatic, it is full of events. but there is a way out i hope you will not just find it, we have already found it, you are using it, with you were the hosts

of the podcast labtriggers tatyana krasnovskaya and sergey nasebyan, with us today was evgenia, thank you evgenia for talking about this, it was very nice to be here. you can find all the full recordings of the triggers podcast on the channel one website. i am larisa guzeeva, this is let's get married, good afternoon, today the grooms are igor, pavel and vitalyei, and our bride is olga, olga is 42 years old, how much... an unconventional way of conceiving a child, to become a surrogate mother for her girlfriend, when she gave birth, she realized that she was under the influence of magical powers. olga is an entrepreneur in the field of cargo transportation, lives in the village of ferma, perm krai, is proud that she gave birth to five children, dreams to see her daughter, warns that she lives in the same house with her ex-husband, admits that

she has the gift of healing. olga will not enter into a serious relationship with a bearded man who grinds his teeth, wears dirty shoes and prefers a sporty style of clothing, she will marry a sociable daredevil in a suit, who knows how to drive a car, has a pleasant voice, and will happily steam her in a bathhouse. hello, olga, you look great, you would never say that you have five children, a large family too, a large family, it suits her, she needs very much, yes, she needs a strong man, listen, well, your stories are all unconventional, not only for...

true, there are some that we don't know, so we roll, but you arrive, he's already at the hotel, you fly in, he's already with flowers at the plane, this doesn't lead to anything good, i'm telling you seriously, you're not the first, and that yes, therefore, what else stopped me, he was married, he was married, he had a child, i was always afraid of only being unmarried, but only the only man, so that he would be lonely and then from him

to give birth to children, because i myself was born in a large family, matured early, i was already ready, probably at 16. will show, well, mom said, as if i were to my mother, mom says: try, live, and then life listened, and 25 years he made himself a chela yes, but i myself immediately began to take the initiative, i say, his name is lesha, i say, lesha, i say, i want a child, i was 22 years old, i was already finishing college for... he didn't want larisa children-how, by the way, she gave birth for herself, he didn't want, it was my initiative, all four, and she with she did it so cunningly that it was no big deal, tell me how you did it, i persuaded the first child, we had a son, i had a second pregnancy, unfortunately, it was a frozen pregnancy, after that he got scared, he

didn’t want to, at that time my dad died, he died again, that’s it, he says, no more children, let’s say, women know how to get pregnant by cunning and have a daughter, listen, i named so many cunning women who gave birth to children from other people’s husbands, they receive huge millions, well, this is not alimony, but what is this, yes, well i condemn these surnames, as they say, your body is your business, it's your story, many do this, yes, but she gave birth to children for herself, in life you know how many different stories there are, how many different adventures, well, that is, it doesn't scare you, i don't have anything at all... you're not afraid of anything, i'm not afraid of anything at all, and how did i not understand until four, well, from the second grade, okay, you managed it like that, i even wrote an essay in the eleventh grade, the teacher later told me that i always i wanted to give birth to two boys and two girls, i forgot about it, but somewhere apparently psychomatic, it was sitting in me and i gave birth to your girl, olya, well, in short, i gave birth to four, poor thing, by hook or by crook,

he drank himself to death, you know, by hook or by crook, you know , i got married to a man. but from my legal man, my husband, here you have a little girl, an evil head, she says, she was a little girl from the beginning, yes, she is, and who is a little girl, that means, she is the husband's sister, a child is the goal of our life, and i don't understand people who don't want children, it's abstract, of course, she is still and a mother of many children, yes, there are no such things as too many children, by the way, being pregnant with her fourth child , she called. asked me: olya, how do you feel about surrogacy? i said, rin, come on, i said, i'll first carry my child to term, give birth, and then we 'll talk about this. at that time, i treated it, that is, i wasn't embarrassed by the question at all, well, i knew that she couldn't have children for more than twenty years. she tried for years, what difference does it make to you, but like you're like one of our own, she thought, this is a relative, not well yes, a relative, i am a relative, his daughter

-in-law, how can i help him, so it’s not a pity to give him some sausage , as a relative, so to speak, or some extra pillowcase, but this is a child, she argued that it’s her own child, i say, i mean her own, well this is my own brother, and how would you like to have such wonderful nephews, i love them so much, i love them so much, give him one, she says, right? well like yes give him one , how would i say irina, come on, she says no and we agreed to the ivf program, to take the icylets from me, from you from me, we concluded contract in perm with a fertility clinic and me accordingly i went through the usual treatment there i have a lot of icicles they took without money just about why did they pay for this for the procedure yes they went for you-then something no no yeah well once... for this you are just a good person, i don't understand this, well if she gives children for free, well this is just robinson, we take the rich, give to the poor, i

just shrug my shoulders, and you give her your these cells, yes they took them, they even implanted them in her twice and they did not take root, frozen, i think, we had two embryos left, frozen, later we refused in favor of the clinic, because we couldn’t.

this is also a frostbitten act, so he says: no, i’m against it, he says: i’m against it, well, nevertheless, i decided to help his sister, for free, for free, i didn’t even think about taking money, what to live on, when you’re pregnant, you won’t be able to work anymore, but she said that we’ll give you medicine there, i ’ll pay for it, well, that’s the maximum, probably, that there might be pills, and some vitamins, trips to doctors, these tests, everything is fine, and there is something to feed the children with, if you do not work, and my husband, and at that time it was a transitional period, i took unpaid leave from the bank, it was ending, i took a loan, i remembered, i lived on credit

funds, and you loved so much, respected this little thing of yours for some reason, no, what the idea was, it is not clear, not money, not money, but a little love for this relative, i now understand, even then there was some kind of, apparently magical influence, so that i came to this conclusion, because i myself suggested the consequence to her when i couldn't get pregnant, well, it's probably some kind of hypnosis, they poured into her brain, maybe not a love spell, as if they see that they just took advantage, and how did you give birth to her after all? i'll explain now, and probably 4-5 months or half a year passed, what moved me, i don't know, i called and said: irina, let's try again, i myself showed this initiative. that is, it wasn't she to me, she let's, that is, we didn't tell anyone, we bought me a ticket to krasnodar, just on the eve of easter, i got pregnant, and you are already divorced without your husband, yes, i was already divorced, yes,

but your ex-mother-in-law, how is she to you, as a relative, yes, because there is a daughter, well, my husband's sister, yes, my mother -in-law knows, yes, of course, the question arises, i live in a village, if i lived in the city, no one needs this, then... how will i present this, well, to the population, yes, to my relatives, because immediately questions arise, why did you go for the fifth, and how and what about me, because questions began at school with children, and there are different people, incorrect, and they really asked, and what about your mother being pregnant with the fifth, and what about your mother gaining weight, pregnant like that, and my son came to me and said, mom, what should i say, what should i say, when i gave birth, i immediately warned, please tell me, and how old were the children at that time, the oldest and youngest, i was 37 years old. an adult, yes,

yes, i said this, well, she broke her own destiny, broke her destiny, and you give birth to a child, you need to somehow formalize the documents, yes, since i am divorced, yes, in the registry office i gave permission to the father, that is, the husband of the ovary on paternity, a separate document, yes, a birth certificate is registered, he is like a dad, i am like a mom, i will tell you more, that at that time i also suggested that he had problems with his job at the zalovka, she arrived, we had lived for the first time, 3 months in the apartment of my mother-in-law, because my husband practically kicked me out pregnant on new year's, he, i don't know, there was a squirrel, not a squirrel, that i was in tears, i just moved in with my clothes to my mother-in-law, my mother-in-law moved in with us, well, at least to look after the grandchildren, accordingly i am on i registered in the city at the clinic so that i wouldn't have any rumors here in my village, we even had to deceive the doctor, because the doctor just kind of suspected something was wrong, yes, i said that i have cargo transportation, yes, i work here, i have customers in gorodezh, so i need to sign documents, work close by, the children are still with their grandmother, so in

the future i... i have problems with my husband, i will move with the children to krasnodar, her life goes on, she is looking for a man for herself further, it's normal, no, well, the deed was good, that is, i think she helped the person, i lived in my mother-in-law's apartment for 3 months with the excuse that i wasn't even a month old enough to breastfeed my child, yes , i breastfed, and how did you participate in this, was the mother-in-law nearby or was she nearby, yes, but the most interesting thing is that it confused me, i'm a wife who gets up at night to feed the child or sit down. at the same time, i fed her at night, my daughter, that is, you don't get enough sleep, even three or four times you get up, you change her there, she slept peacefully, there was no draft in her mouth, like a person who wanted to have a child for 20 years, he didn’t even have maternal feelings to get up, yes, here we are, and where would they come from, this is someone else’s child, he covered her with his eyes, yes she sat down at the laptop, with customers there and then set up cargo transportation, yes she signed applications, i have a child on my chest, here she worked like this, with such a child, without getting enough sleep, she sat,

especially during the day, i need to sleep. i need 10 minutes for me to sleep, i’m tired, but i’m not tired, well, it’s interesting, of course, if the darling, how does she treat her now, she tells them gave birth and gave up everything or not, at some point she is against the force, she says, i probably shouldn’t have allowed you to breastfeed, i say, why, you have a maternal instinct, now she’ll wake up, she says, and you ’ll change your mind about giving me the child, i looked at her like that, i say: no, if i’ve decided, i say, then i’m going all the way. we agreed on the shore right away that i’m giving the child, i’m making a notarized consent for her, for the baptism, for her mother, for my mother-in-law, to represent the interests of my child in the competent authorities, in clinics and so on, yes, well, first of all , they won’t let her through at the airport, because she’s not the mother, she gave her consent, we agreed that they

have no material claims against me, but that was nonsense, i had to sign a paper right away, that they would support the child, but at the same time i would come, i would see her, i would have the opportunity to communicate with her, the truth is we don’t tell the child, but this is my child, and why didn’t we formalize it right away, and how would we formalize it, how do you refuse the child, and they, and for for me, it's also a loss of reputation, that is, i gave birth, i'm so - listen, let 's not say a single letter about reputation now, we're not even talking about reputation now, you're just saying that...

well, it's not like a little dog that you go on vacation and give away, and then come back and pick it up, it's a whole child, and the child would then grow up, ask you a lot of questions, who's coming, who is it, first of all, we baptized her, no, who? that is, i was like a mother, she was a godmother, so it seemed like contract, and these are genes, and you can't get away from it, and non-genetic ones are calling, she, she just needs to adopt, adopt this child, that's it, here are your children, she is a sister, a real one, they can blab

at all. no, no, the children took it very well, you think so from the height of an adult, they will grow up with this, knowing that they have a sister. and that mom did such a stupid thing, being an adult, no, you are mistaken, we have absolutely no relationship with them, little children, about whom he says that they already adults, the eldest is 12 years old, how much is 19 now, will be 19, the youngest is 8 years old, the second daughter will be 16 and the third daughter 14, and you are suing them, and what are you suing, what do you want to sue for, i don’t understand, i’m not suing, they themselves filed for deprivation of my parental rights this year, that’s right.

and why are you ruining people’s lives now, because they did a good deed, they understood, they achieved what they wanted, she didn’t thank me, she could have at least paid me money, she knew that i have credit obligations, yes i have there were problems with work, that's why i asked you these questions, and you agreed on the shore, you say no, absolutely free of charge, i absolutely free of charge, except for medicine, nothing else, i didn't need anything from them, and why didn't you agree right away and say, i'm giving birth to a child for you, and... you 're paying off all my debts, well, you're buying me an apartment or i don't know, because you would have immediately refused this story, you have to take your child, everything, carry him for 9 months, feed him, all this, of course, is impossible,

you have to take the child away, now how old is this girl, 4 years old, you are now making a claim to them, right? you say, i will file a lawsuit to have it genetically established that this is your daughter, why don't you file a lawsuit, we already had a lawsuit to deprive me of my rights, i won it, what are the grounds for depriving me of rights, they turned to black magicians, let's not talk about magicians, i believe the facts, now they live like they're on a barrel of smoke, this is their child, she's probably going crazy, well, what does it matter to her, they ruined my whole life by doing this, what, no, it was you who ruined their lives? you are mistaken, she achieved that she got what she wanted and they essentially in the same, in the same month when she was supposed to give the child, from us we had a joint dacha with my husband, where we planted, i planted for her grandchildren, and for my mother-in-law, it turns out, for my

children, she signs over this dacha to him, and accordingly he then kicks us out of this dacha, not only that he spoiled the entire harvest, that is, they are already magic , this is a pro-urazh, wait, it started with the fact that she already knew then, that is, i gave her the child i give my mother-in-law, she goes. to the magicians and what does she do to you, what kind of effectiveness should a magician have, so that something happens to me, so that well, what happens to you personally, your health has deteriorated, what is it with me, my roads were closed, with me in finances, my business went to zero, my friend suffered, my circle of close acquaintances suffered, you can’t say much in this program, but the fact that i lived through the situation, it was connected, i also turned to the magicians, and they immediately told me, who? than an adult differs from a child, a child is not responsible for his actions, for his words, for his deeds, an adult, and you were very grown up, you already had four children for whom you were responsible, you are responsible for your actions, your words, it

was you who screwed up, it was you who went completely down the wrong road, i know, it’s a big mistake, in fact, it’s very easy to remove, yes, with the help of love. i understand, i have no black magic, it cannot attach itself to a person, if a person, not guilty, you don’t know why you wanted to perform such a feat, gratuitous at that, why after 4 years you suddenly stated that you were not paid anything, you were not given anything there, no compensation.

what should they do to make you withdraw your statement, how should they compensate, what should they give you as a gift, give, transfer to a card, there was already a trial, i was not deprived of real rights, what statement, that is, you won, yes, i won the case, yes, i won the trial, and you would have taken this girl for yourself now, i would have taken her, where is this with you for this one, you live together with... ex, why don't you divide the house? well, these are

bureaucratic failures, the house is on credit, and here you need to allocate shares there, mother-in-law, what do you say? i don't communicate with her, why did you have a good relationship? well, because she does black magic, i told her everything about it, everyone who is not on your side, they all do black magic, not in this one, not on my side, it turns out that she herself believes in magic and magic went her way, like a wedge is driven out with a wedge, no, that's not the case here, here we just need to do it right. through the truth, through the law, do everything, no magic, this is nonsense, i want to sort this house out, i'm not interested, well, okay, share, yes, we need to deal with this, the house was built when we were married, it was joint actually, so it's still a solvable issue, just allocate, allocate time for this, deal with this issue, no, this is not the most important thing now, i need to resolve the issue, the issue still needs to be resolved with the child, so you already have four. we need to deal with these children, where can they

to live, what share will they get in this house, they are without a stool, without a yard, you yourself are without a rock, without a yard, that's why you want to go to your husband 's territory, and where are the children for them, why does the husband have a house on his territory, at home i have it written that you will move to your chosen one, i admit this option, look, i look at you with a cross, yes, you are a religious person, a very religious person, yes, look, we live a long life so that...

he is yours, and we are getting divorced and separating in an amicable way, you do not need this child, i say again, not then, not now, this child there will be an unhappy person in your family, you will not only have nothing to feed, he will always be a reminder of why you did this, leave this girl alone, let her live her life, while she is little she loves, she is attached to those parents, try to negotiate with the police and solve this money issue, because otherwise ...

influence, i was under no influence did you go for this, well ol, because i was under no influence, ol, stop, what influence, look what influence can have on you to influence, and you still want children, a difficult question, well, with the future chosen one, i'm talking about the future now, if there is a material, financial base, there will be love , then everything is possible, please tell me, do you admit that you race a car, you have four children, you are not afraid to leave them orphans, why do you race? self-preservation is there, well, i have such a nature, my dad was a racer, it

is passed on through genes, that is, i drive fast, i agree, i drive professionally, i condemn racing, not this, well, no, racing on a race track, please, well, it is possible, judging by what we have heard here, bride, you are very complicated, but in order to somehow match you up today, i tried to find the most interesting ones. decoys for our suitors, suitors listen carefully, with all that olga has, four children, this is this strange situation, which i don’t know how she will get out of, what is olga good at? then, well, move in with the chosen one, that’s how you noted, further, you were quite capable of paying off your husband’s debts, i am so i understand that you will also be ready to close the debts of your next husband, you work a lot, that's right, you will work a lot with your husband, of course, i must develop, i cannot sit at home without work, without work, and you

are developing in what we are now from this in more detail, webinars, courses, that is, i now want to change the field of activity, that is, it does not bring me any satisfaction.

they start these things in the guru, i made many mistakes in my youth, but it seemed to me that i should spend my mature years to correct these mistakes, i swear to you, i will i'm fixing it, i apologize to those whom i once offended, yes, i'm trying to close some of my holes, which, due to my own stupidity, i - with my own brains, as best i could, well, i just fell into these holes, i'm fixing them now, and i... i wake up and think, how good , i went, closed this story, i did this right, look, you're 42 years old, you didn't just screw up, you directly committed some kind of crime in relation to your four children, because they will grow up and live with this burden that is somewhere in their

sister and mother did this, yes, this, a girl who, god forbid, finds out how she was born, it would be better if she didn’t know, so spend this... the time that is now allotted to you, one day just realize that you did the wrong thing, i realize this, just realize it, and no black magicians exist, it’s all in your imagination, so as soon as you try to fix all this, as soon as you start doing this, i say again, fate will be favorable to you, it will give you, it will give you will start to give compensation, true, until you are stubbornly rooted to the ground, he says: i will do this to them, i will do this to them, i will take the child, i have not needed him for 30 years, but they will not rub their hands like this, it is impossible, because this is evil, evil gives birth to evil, ol, evil from you, no matter how white and pretty you are , you do not sit there, but you are pretty, you know all this about yourself, but in fact, yes, and what are we going to do now with men, and

we will talk, maybe the man also screwed up so much that their mission will be somehow get olga out of this, well, help, because you... at certain times someone comes our way who helps, opens our eyes, at least to ourselves, it seems to me that the husband's sister is simply afraid that the child will find out that she is his mother, and the child will find out anyway someday, here in this case it is a pity for the child, because well, this is a psychological trauma, it will be terrible, in general, now we will have three suitors, and we will try to get out of this together, ol, let them open up a little, no resist try to hear us all. good luck to you, meet the first groom, come in, you're so good, it's enough to rip your heart out.