poke of female curiosity, i thought, why, why did you climb into this room, you shouldn't have climbed in there, here i read in clarissa pencol that it is extremely important to climb into this room, it is extremely important to withstand what you saw there, and it is extremely important to defeat this predator, this is really necessary work that needs to be done, that is , the heroine is absolutely right in these actions, and in order to survive, she behaves correctly. yes, yes, everything, everything is exactly

like that. plus i would maybe add that the keys are such an interesting symbol, it's a symbol including spiritual knowledge, yes, that a woman has to touch, to some very, to such knowledge, which, which it would be better if she did not know it, but she has to know it, that is, she has to, including this bleeding key, this is the knowledge from which a woman has no right to turn away, having comprehended it, having known it, she can no longer unsee it, cannot forget it. another well-known fairy tale. for example, the armless girl, yeah, the armless girl, yeah, what 's going on there, varvara, tell me, well, in general there lived a miller, he had no work, one day he went somewhere on his business, met an old man and made a kind of deal with him, he promised to give him what was behind his mill, and the old man promised him all the material goods in exchange, when the miller returned home, it turned out that he had promised this old man, under whom... in fact, the devil, that

is, some kind of evil entity, an evil predator, and his daughter, when the time came, the devil came for his reward, but uh, the girl on the one hand obediently agreed to follow the will of her father, on the other hand, she cried so bitterly that the devil she was so often that the devil simply could not approach her, in a rage he demanded that the father cut off the girl's hands and kicked her out of the house, but what the conscientious father actually did, and the girl went, having lost her hands, into exile in ... an underground forest, where she met an angel in the company, yes, yes, she also had an angel as an assistant there, and there she met a beautiful king, whom she married, but the devil could not leave her alone, he continued to pursue her, only now he chose a different tactic, he began to replace the letters that the messengers from the queen, from the young woman sent to the king, but we know, this is from pushkin's fairy tale, we also have this motive, but the queen gave birth at night, either a son or something else.

read about what parts of our unconscious, our soul, does it talk about? well, clarice estos herself notes that this particular fairy tale is more global than the same bluebeard, that is, bluebeard describes some one-time stage of female individuation, here is a specific one, and the girl bezruhka it is so much more extensive, it captures a long period of this female journey, actually its first part is again dedicated to the internal predator in the person of the devil, what is happening, well, the father also does not behave very well. and what about his

kindness towards his daughter and that she pays a lot of attention to the so-called unsuccessful deal, that is, to some such choice that a woman makes, which leads her to a state that the devil begins to hunt her, as a rule, this is an unsuccessful deal, it may look like, well, i don’t know, a rejection of one’s creative ideas, some kind of choice, well , i don’t know, in favor of social approval instead of living one’s life, being happy, in general, this is very important, by the way, yes, o s notes that yes, firstly, without exception, all women make an unsuccessful deal one way or another, everyone sooner or later goes through this experience, later they sign this pact with the devil, but this deal is paradoxically useful, because through it a woman finally understands what she, what she really needs, that is, she understood how it is not necessary, and then she starts looking for how it is really necessary, somehow her arms grow back at the end of this fairy tale, and the most interesting thing is that the arms really are about interaction with...

yes, that was the race, we are born a clean slate and at the same time, when a person is born, he is related to the archetype, the so-called divine infant, and the blissful infant, for example, jung really considers as one of the images of the self, and we rather lose connection with this image of the self throughout life,

because different events happen to us, we encounter different prohibitions, different restrictions, that is, this connection is simply called the transcendental function, and it is rather lost, and it is possible with the help of... and physics, but at the same time remember that what happens to us on the physical body, this can also be a message from our soul, accordingly, it also needs to be given attention, and we can say that the book

running with the wolves teaches a woman self-healing, i would say that yes, that is , reading itself, again by from my own experience, i read it several times and... the first time i read it really was like a strong painkiller, i had a very difficult period in my life, it really became something like a strong painkiller for me, and i really didn't understand anything, it was very interesting, it really got me going, eh, later, when i described my own book, i returned to it with a different perspective, like, well, partly a colleague, yes, and it was even clearer and even more interesting to me, but i have a feeling that running with the wolves, it is addressed to a traumatized woman. we can say that now in modern culture all women are traumatized in one way or another, because the connection with the natural, this primitive, is lost, we have several factors here, well, firstly, real statistics of violence against women and children, but the same judith herman, also a very

famous american psychiatrist psychoanalyst, she notes that the main, as it were, volume of traumatic, harsh, such a tragic experience falls, for example, on women and girls up to 25-30 years old, well, that is, already a... we have objective factors, that is, some consequences of psychotraumatic events, we have in general such a culture oriented, i call it a narcissistic culture, it is oriented towards external achievements, it is oriented towards compliance with a career, towards compliance with ideals, ideally a woman should be a housewife, and make a career, have a wonderful partner and be beautiful, ideal, ideal, while she should be, as we know, smart, but not show it. for example, this, yes, so that no one feels disadvantaged next to her, that is, in general, as if the collective attitude, it already very strongly drives a woman into certain limits, and this too, in fact, well, it’s like you really cut off some parts of yourself alive in order to fit into these limits, and a man should tense up

if he sees that his partner is reading running with the wolves, will she then start rolling, scratching, rolling on her back or demanding something for herself, it seems to me, if after all a woman. having read running with the wolves starts rolling on the floor, it's not a running with the wolves thing, maybe, well, that is, her, her psychologically, well, her psychological state requires attention, the attention of such a close, i don't know , specialized specialist, of course, that is, in general, this book is quite safe, it doesn't exactly reveal some deep layers of the psyche, it hides, but still not so much, it's a book, because we don't... and is there a moment in the book about accepting your own body, it seems to me that for women this is very important, yes, yes, there is a whole chapter about the goddess bauba, about the dirty goddess or about

the woman, the dirty goddess, yes, yes, dirty goddesses she calls them or about the butterfly woman, and there, in fact, around these two goddesses, the thought of clarissa estos is built about how a woman should treat her body. and how with great love, how else, accepting yourself as you are, yes, another question, how to find this love, this is exactly what she reflects on, giving an example of what culture really puts before her. for example, a daughter, and she is 11 years old, but she is already thinks about diets, about how she looks, it's

some kind of, i don't know, some kind of mental virus, which, yes, many people catch, in this sense this book, of course, running with the wolves, it's a treasure trove of life hacks, how to avoid these mental viruses, not even avoid, it's just like knowing about them in general, that really, that it's not you who are some kind of wrong, bad curve. who are looking for, maybe, a way out of some difficult situation, from depression, certainly,

for example, from depression, from reactive depression, which is associated, i don't know, with some kind of traumatic event, in general, when some difficult periods of life, they happen to women, well, i would say regularly, but in general, there may be some kind of disorganization moments, yes, when i don’t understand what i want or where i need to go or i don’t know whether to stay in this relationship or get out of it, that is, to hear myself, my true desire, how a woman can work with... it can be read like a normal book, that is, you open it and go to read it in order, or you can read it selectively, many of my friends, they are really on running with the wolves practically guess, that is, they are like, well, what do you want to tell me this time, they open it to a random page, as a rule, it's a dead -on hit, that is, you can read it like this: you can read individual chapters, for example, you 've already read it once, you want to go back, some individual chapters that

are relevant to you now, then there really are women's groups, there are quite a lot of different ones, who are directly engaged in living these fairy tales, yes, that when women get together and not just read a fairy tale, they tried to relate it to their personal experience, for example, the experience of meeting a blue beard, for whom what blue, who got what blue beard in life and what happened next with... with you, that is, you can really do it like that, you can discuss this book within the framework of personal analysis, yes, that is, with your psychoanalyst, you can discuss it , it's just a very interesting genre of joint reading, when several women get together, or a women's circle, well, roughly speaking , such a women's circle, yes, that is, either there is a moderator, or they do it themselves and they just gradually read this book, discuss it, share their experiences, that is, in fact, there are a lot of options, and is it true that after reading this book, you can fish out, that is, the fairy tale that you remember is useful for you at the moment, yes,

of course, this is how it works, that is, such a principle of synchronicity turns on, yes, that what you remember from this fairy tale is yours, that is exactly what you needed, for example, again, disappear without a pen, and i used it a lot i used it when i was preparing my own book about the heroine's path, for example, i remembered two moments from it very well, this is an unsuccessful deal and dual citizenship, now i am rereading it. meetings, i think, yes , half of me fell out of this fairy tale, it turns out that really, there is a lot more, and really this is how it works somehow, what you take is yours, well, that is , there are many layers in this book, you can return to it many times and read it repeatedly, read in fragments, it turns out that it is like a kaleidoscope, it comes together every time in different ways, this book never repeats itself, as they say, each and every reading of it, each of its simply i don't know opening a random page, it will bring something new and important, great, this was a must-read podcast, i am

glaya nabatnikova, my guest was varvara popova, a jungian analyst, writer, we discussed the book by clarissa pinkola path running with the wolves, all episodes of the podcast are must-read, watch on the website of the first channel 1tv.ru. you have children from one husband, right, four from one, so he didn't want larisa children - how with... by the way, she gave birth for herself, he didn't want, it was my initiative, all four of them, and she did it with such cunning that it wouldn't be a grief for the mother, olya, well, in short, she gave birth to four by hook or by crook, and here you have a little trick, an evil head, she says, olya, how do you feel about surrogate motherhood, i knew that she couldn't have children, for more than 20 years, she tried, somehow you gave birth to her, after all, what moved me, i don't know, i called, i said, irina, let's do more let's try it once, i took the initiative myself, she did, that is, we didn't tell anyone, they bought me a ticket to krasnodar,

just before easter, i got pregnant, she gave birth to my husband in the little house, and did you love her so much ? did you respect this little house of yours for something? no, what was the idea, it's not clear, not money, but a little love for this relative, now i understand, even then there was some kind of, apparently magical influence, what do you want to sue for, i don't understand, i'm not suing, they themselves filed for deprivation of my parental rights this year, right, they have been doing it all these years raised a daughter, i won it, what grounds can i be deprived of my rights, they turned to black magicians, you said, i will give birth and give it to you, i am doing you a good deed, but why are you ruining people's lives now, because they did a good deed, she did not thank me, she could have at least paid me money, she knew that i had credit obligations, yes, i had problems with work, tell me, do you live, can you and your wife be fine, suddenly, listen, well, such situations happen in life, well, naturally in intimately with wives after 12 years it is not as interesting as in the first months, right,

of course, that is definitely true, then you are alone with the secretary. there yes well there was once the first time and how it begins, you lose your head, yes everything, and you lose it so much that you have to leave the family, when magicians appeared in your life, i did not know about magicians and did not believe, when i had already returned from kaliningrad to kemerovo, when i had already started to live there on my own they said that there was the strongest hostility, they brought you, they brought you coffee, that is, well, how did she know that they brought me coffee because he is a secretary, yes, and a secretary brings coffee, tea, coffee. my wife and i have already reconciled, we started communicating, she is like a sister to me now, that is, we communicate wonderfully with her, you left everything to her, well, as a gentleman, guilty, left, have you heard olga's story, do you want to participate in this, help somehow, i don't know, for example, olga, i am honestly in shock from this story, well, as well as from mine, probably, and if i

understand it, i really understand, that is, my brain turned off, and what do you think, mistakes are better? to correct or to aggravate in general what you have already done, yes they need to be corrected, so that it is irreversible, so that you are just horrified by yourself in your mortal coil to say, after all there was an opportunity to correct everything, why didn’t i do it, didn’t i do it, you have to, how to correct them, you have to live with it and just continue to live, so as not to make these mistakes, here about living, it means that we have there - an unredeemed share in the house, and next door he is right behind the wall with you or where he used to live with you? but a separate room at him, but he usually lives in the boiler room, we also have a separate large boiler room, he lives in the house, the house is not even divided, he lives in the house, he drinks periodically, but he is a quiet alcoholic, you live with your parents, where are we going to move, to you or to you, well, it is better, probably, not to you, because let's take pity on the elderly parents, they just won't be able to stand all this, or we will go to some neutral territory, two

businesses will take out a mortgage, a mortgage, of course, two have been paid off, the third? listen to me carefully, do not allow your dad any mortgage, then it will fall on you, this is a mortgage, after the mortgage of the apartment remained, i watch larisa, here is how she reasons about rosa, i have such respect for these, and not for the smart one, will you persuade olga to give up this story with the daughter, whom she gave birth to not for herself, or will you help to return this child that no one needs, but just so that the last word remains with olga, most likely to let go.

loves, yes, but here is a situation for you, imagine, if dad, i can only say in my own words, here without offense, if he moves out again roof, as before, so he will decide to tie his fate with olga, and you will be against it or, on the contrary, support him, yes , on the contrary, i will support him, as if he is now at such an age when it is best for him to get married, especially since he wants to find his other half, i think that we will become friends with her children. communicate with them, but at least i will try to find a common language, but in my presence, do you live with your father or separately, that is, you are not neutral, yes, well, we

communicate, we see each other, but we live exactly separately, let's see the surprise, i wonder what kind of surprise it will be, what kind of surprise it will be, i really wonder, oh, darling, everything is as we dreamed of, beach, sun, rest, no one is bothering us, i promise that no one will be able to distract us from this rest, i won't even pick up the phone, sea, cool, i, i met my wife at the sea, i sang such a clean song, every man goes to look for a wife in gelendzhik, met in gelendzhik, such girls are like stars that shine in the sky

until the morning, such girls are like stars, such stars like her, such girls are like stars, stars like her, a surprise, of course, a surprise, but why did you put socks on the beach, my friend, you? what do you allow yourself to do, how should everyone look at this? yes, hello, who is this, why don't you pick up the phone. i'm calling, calling during my lunch break, wasting time on you, and you don't answer, is this the registry office calling you, are you registered for

marriage registration, confirm , we confirm, yes, we confirm, then i 'll be waiting for you, we'll judge, magic, magic! no other way, thank you very much, a wonderful surprise, take your daughter and go and rest further in the room, it's probably your wife, i wrote it down, she already managed to run off and make arrangements, well, how did you like the vacation, it was original, i liked it, he's a good man, it doesn't bother me that he lives with his parents, it bothers me... i think a little that a man of that age should still live separately, we'll leave everything to his wife with the children, well done, you just need to understand whether you need to solve

all these issues for her, and not easy ones, as i understand, she can decide for herself, you see, i'm even ready to take out a mortgage, though again it's bondage, well, you'll have to implement it together, oh, let's get acquainted with the second groom, come in. hello, my name is pavel, i hope that today's acquaintance will allow us to get to know each other better, perhaps some spark will run between us. let's go. pavel, 44, an electrician and a master in repairing construction

tools, lives in samara, recycles old equipment, creates fakes from keys, is proud of having lost 50 kg, dreams of building a family nest, warns that he provides for his mother, admits that he got out of a debt hole and survived a terrible tragedy, an electric shock... stopped pavel's heart seven times, but each time he was reborn like a phoenix, but my wife's nerves couldn't handle such tension. listen, i can't wrap my head around, hello, that you survived such a blow and that, he survived, yes, it's terrible, of course, well, and did he lose weight after that, 50 kg or before that, when i was under stress. having made a mistake at work, i was alone without a partner and...