it seems you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly. well, major, has the hunt begun? confrontation, the premiere of the legendary book by yulian semeny. senator, we are with my submission, all about the united states. the united states, there are also important powers, yes, who threaten to close the baltic sea, let's listen, yeah, military cooperation between finland and estonia is increasingly focused on maritime defense issues, the goal is to develop a similar plan that will allow neighboring countries, in case threats, to close the gulf of finland to russian ships. maritime defense is an area where cooperation between finland and estonia is still expanding, perhaps we can.

i would like to remind you that 20 years ago, in 2004, an agreement was signed between three countries, finland, estonia and russia, a joint shipping management center was established in helsinki in the gulf of finland, it was very high-tech, and it assumed, so to speak, the establishment.

the vast majority of countries in the world, but with the exception of the four united states of america, israel, turkey and chile, each in their own way, well, the americans are understandable why, the rest because of their special interests, but also finland and estonia.

the countries are signatories, they comply with it, and any convention is worth something to them if they get away with it, but i can assume with a high degree of certainty that they won’t get away with something like that, they won’t, we’ve had incidents, well, not incidents, far-fetched, when there, after all, over the gulf of finland there is a fairly narrow air corridor, well because the gulf of finland itself is not wide, especially when our military planes flew to kaliningrad and back, which means that very often the estonians, as a rule, complained, expressed claims that... it was us who flew in, which

was never confirmed, so it is clear that they have such an attitude, but as they say, they don't have the guts, thank you, andrei mikhailovich, i will ask you about your ideas on the mental approach, which seemed very important and interesting to me, actually about the mental war, all this, this is just conversations,

what's ours is ours, don't bother us, we don't need what's not ours, it was a big game, we'll meet tomorrow on air,

who is given a license for doping in sports? how can you condemn russian figure skaters without having real evidence of their guilt? transgender people at the olympics - an accident or the future of world sports, who declared war on russian boxing and how does the white house manage anti-doping agencies? watch today on the vaan and lexus show. today's guests of the vaan and lexus show studio are the honorary president of the sports federation journalists of russia, chairman of the fairplay committee of russia nikolay mikhailovich dolgopolov, deputy chairman of the state duma committee on information policy, information technology and communications

andrey svintsov, vice speaker of the state duma boris chernyshov and world boxing champion of 2014-2016 according to the world boxing world grigory drost. friends, hello, let's get started. today our program is dedicated to sports, or rather, to what the olympic games, one might say, have turned into. starting in 2016, the world boxing world anti-doping agency did everything possible to prevent our athletes from participating in the olympic games. but there is another organization, the american anti-doping agency yusada, which played a big role here in every possible way, pointing out that our athletes are taking. we decided to talk to the head of this organization , travis tigert, on behalf of one of the african politicians. it is now known that many sports functionaries are trying to pull africa over themselves. let's see what came out of it. you know that the idea of ​​holding so-called friendship games in russia is currently being discussed, they are campaigning

for political leaders of african countries to take part in these competitions. and so i would like to know your opinion, how do you think we can combat such actions? can they have problems?

states, i assume that they really broke the law rotchenkova, in russia she is still considered a hero, she is still...

it's useless, you understand, he - felt like a different person, he was 100 above others heads, in fact, this was a person of rather, as it seemed to me, low flight, i think that the person's psyche is absolutely perverted, his self-esteem is absolutely 100%, i say, inflated, and i cannot understand one thing, but really in the country where ... he fled, people do not see this, this person is an outsider, such as they say, they are

americans, a complete dropout, you understand, and they accept him, and the fact that the law bears the name of this person, the law of a traitor, it is precisely such people who are most prone to betrayal, that is, they are the easiest to recruit, that is, i think, that the special services recruited him a long time ago, maybe 5, 10, 15 years ago, why do they call the law? in their political logic, all laws always have the names of certain people, either the ideologists of these laws, or against whom these laws are directed, or those who actively participated in the adoption, how to fight this, it becomes stronger, here we have sports activists who have dedicated their lives to sports, now they are engaged in social activities, other issues, they finance our competitions, here... we talk about this, games friendship, and this gives us a significant plus,

to cultivate such people so that they would use all their international authority, all their opportunities to create our space, the olympics, i assure you, will never accept us again, because the olympics has become a political arena, where blue idiots climb out of the start and this is a show for all of europe, for the whole world, or they will... about this olympics, this is a choice, this is an alternative. after the victory in the special military operation, i am sure that dozens,

maybe even more than a hundred countries with will gladly make decisions to come to us in russia for any sporting events that we will organize, and i will not be surprised that in the next 2-3 years there will in principle really be two olympics for the normal world, where there will be 130-150 countries and for the eccentric world, where there will be 50 european countries, the united states, well, in general , the pressure. from these organizations, it began to grow after the sixteenth year, well, absolutely, we all lived in peace, in harmony, in friendship, this has always been the case, well, and if we talk about boxing, a huge number of world fights took place in russia, in moscow, and we all know these big fights, names, and no one ever had any questions, we now understand this perfectly well, it was a big scheme, a big war, a big bomb against russia. that's why after 2016 they started trying to catch

everything from everyone, let me remind you of the big scandal with alexander povetkin, which our lawyers eventually won, astarin was found, sasha was not given a fight for the world champion titles for 2 years, everything was imposed from the point of view of politics, so everything became very aggravated, you are absolutely right, i want to say that well, all this really was not accidental, it was prepared for a very long time for... why, what do you think, was meldonium banned and so suddenly, i just thought about it, you see, this is a very interesting story, tragic for us, because before that, all the tests that wada received, they were all studied, our athletes really did use meldonium, yes, it was an unbanned substance, it was quickly, instantly banned, you can't get it out of your body that fast, and if you remember, a series of the most severe disqualifications began, which even included people who were absolutely innocent like sharapova,

you know, but they knew that this was our weak spot, they figured this spot out. you see, it was an absolutely well-thought-out, i emphasize, dirty and very much an internal decision of wada, which our sport is trying to drive away, well, yusada played a huge role in getting this meldonium added to the list of prohibited drugs, this person, who is now a person in general russophobe, you know, well, this is russophobe for years. we are trying to find simple answers: russophobe, not russophobe, he is not russophobe at all, they pay him and say: do it, do it, otherwise we will fire you. in the spring, a scandal broke out, a battle between the american anti-doping agency and the world anti-doping agency, which is now headed by pole witold banko. the americans did not like that the chinese won and the story with

the swimmers, they allowed them to the olympics in paris, the americans really did not like it, they started.

we are also, the next seminar will be held the shin group in the us, we have it in new york in the fall, and i think the fbi is on the agenda, and also the us attorney's office for the southern district of new york, which investigated the first rotchenkov case, they'll be on the agenda to talk to the shin group about the legislation and how important it can be for all of us around the world. i'm also going to be meeting soon with the head of the office of dr. gupta and the executive office of the president, we have a common front of work. great, yeah, we know dr. gupta well, and he's a big proponent of clean athletes, so we're we can help here as well, and we will let him know, if you don't mind, that we have spoken, and

you can also let him know that we have spoken to you when you meet him. yeah, that makes sense. and look, i think if you have any evidence that these coaches, or even doctors from other sports, are coming to african union countries, you know, for sure, let us know right away, and if we feel that they are coming to africa to do the same thing that they are doing in russia with regard to doping of athletes, we can act on that.

but this is part of the us intelligence services, these are all these non-governmental public organizations, all these funds, this is all part of the big work of the

us intelligence services, we gather in new york, all the informers from all over the world, then we have the prosecutor's office, the fbi, sitting here and opening criminal cases based on information that was obtained, including illegally, a criminal case has also been opened against rodchenkov in connection with the fact that he supplied illegal drugs. have you ever encountered something like this with such a circle? yes. informers well and to be honest in our world firstly it was not accepted at all it is not accepted yes it is indecent to behave like that support shoulder this is what develops sport in general any and if we are talking about boxing then there is certainly only your comrade. your friend, your brother, always nearby, that is here such a position, you know, if we are talking about the ussr, i think that then sport was really elevated to the level of the state, but in

good, in the right framework, from the point of view of national pride, from the point of view of health nations, it was hard to imagine such an opening of the olympic games, absolutely, yes, it’s even inexplicable, yes, for all the guys, for all the boys, when he comes to a sports school, the olympics was the number one word, everyone wants to become an olympic champion, i understand correctly, in the world of boxing the olympics have not been such a significant event for a long time, world championships, boxing tournaments there in different countries of the world with huge

prizes, this is for boxing and for many sports a much higher level, the same with football, all these championships, cups - this is everything is much higher than the olympics, many send some students to the olympics who have never really done any sports there, that is, the olympics discredit themselves and after such olympic games in 4 years i... the american agency, it also cannot exist apart from the white house, so we decided to contact the person who is responsible for doping in the white house, in the office of president biden, this is raul gupta, director of the office of national drug control policy and a member wada executive committee, he determines exactly what... drugs are banned in the united states, which ones are allowed for athletes to use? good afternoon, mr. chairman, how are you, sir? i'm fine, it's good to see you.

he's next to me, he deals with all the wada issues. we really appreciate this opportunity. it 's a pleasure to meet you. obviously, we all share concerns about russia from a rights perspective, we've always encouraged.

i'm sure that in this conversation, when we discuss this at the wada-ioc meeting, and also our representatives from the us and the representatives from the regions will probably be able to agree to refer this issue to a special group, and we will be able to understand what else we need, what we need to do as a group, as wada, to awaken these political leaders, to take the right steps: wada is very strongly convinced that the friendship games are a threat to the legitimate system. well, i can tell you for sure, we will not get an invitation from russia to the friendship games. that's good, good news. look, friends, as soon as we start ourselves create an agenda, everyone immediately starts bustling around. i really like that they are so concerned about the information feed that

we created. i really like what we do, they are so concerned, it is only their opinion that it is illegitimate, the majority, because it is not controlled, the majority of the world believes that these are absolutely cool new international competitions, remember the world cup , what was in russia, but everyone said in one voice, it was the best world cup in history, like the olympics in sochi, i i'll add to you, look how the roles are distributed, this cheerful guy is sitting there, smiling, everything is fine, an employee attached from the fbi is sitting there, yes, everything is fine, that is, they seated him next to him for one purpose, so that he wouldn't let it slip and say something more, so they completely undressed in front of you, especially mr. gupta, i think he is much higher up and smarter, do you know why, he actually admitted something that the americans have never admitted in my memory, that wada is their agency, the usa anti-doping agency, it goes under. under whom, he

repeated this several times, and now you can quote him, someone else, they are under the fbi, nikolai mikhailovich, here is a public scandal after all, since the spring, here is yusada against wada, who is more important, but it would seem, now we have seen that they are under one roof, it must be said that there is still an organization that still considers itself, i don’t know if it is, but it considers itself the highest sports body, which is higher, let’s say, than wada and naturally. on the american organization, this is ioc, here it could, as you said, completely it was not advantageous for the chinese to miss these games, well, let it not be the whole team, of course, but those swimmers, i think there were 21 of them, 12 of them were included in the team again, confirmed everything, by the way, performed normally, but it was not advantageous for the ioc, because if china breaks away, well, let it be part of its delegation, it is a very bad image for the ioc and

russia. well, belarus, china, it is too, too dangerous, because really, what is left then, here he could have backed up a little, you understand, pushed back a little, so far both of them, and wada, and the us anti-idoping agency, he has slightly pushed them aside, but only slightly for now, what will happen next, we'll see, it's very interesting, changes are coming, huge in could, inevitably, inevitably. two alternative olympics, but it is impossible for a transgender to compete with normal people, it's just absurd, not a single normal athlete, here's another one or two more times of this circus, and the athletes themselves will simply refuse, they will say, we will not participate in this circus, another alternative normal olympics will be created, where there will be normal athletes, where there will be fair sport, which will be absolutely independent of the opinion of yusada, vada, that is , new organizations will be created, well, we

are moving into that... state of the world, when there will be completely new international organizations that will be built on honesty, and not on the interests of the united states, this is absolutely obvious. revelation about tennis players williams sisters from the white house, right after the commercial. nenel - the final series. tomorrow on the first. you want him to hug you, came. kissed, well, so that all this would happen, sometimes he hugs and kisses, for real, like an adult, i love you, everything inside me was just burning, i had this feeling that he knew everything, well, naturally, i immediately heard in my address how good i am, pretty, smart, promising and so on, they see each other, hear, feel, attract, i understand that a special operation is being prepared, he

had an individual entrepreneur open, he says, i need... oh, unfortunately, i agreed, andrey sends me documents, according to which it turns out, that he is not andrey, eduard, the premiere, the manipulators.

yes, in tennis. my question is: this is a funny question, but what do they do, what do they eat to be so big? probably a very healthy diet combined with a lot of

discipline and routine. i don’t know the specific diet, but they are probably healthy, very disciplined, and it’s all part of their routine. special drug. no, you know, that’s the whole point. for a lot of people, a lot of athletes, you know, on the african continent in america and elsewhere places, it is routine, it is discipline, which is the most important part, and not medications or other aspects. they do not look like the russian athlete valieva, i must say, she looks much smaller. it is unfortunate. sometimes words say less than faces, when i talked to these two officials, they understand perfectly well what is being discussed, and the smiles are forced, they are replaced by the main assessment, unfortunately,

what kind of biceps, you need to see which men have such, i am sure that here are steroids, these are certainly not bazooka arms, but they have a constant injection of something chemical, look, that's what was right. it was said about meldonium, when something needs to be banned, they change the rules of the game the day before the tests, the same thing here, they see that these athletes, who have huge advertising contracts, who represent the face of the united states of america, they use these very drugs, they are excluded from this list, all the rules are rigged, this is purely politics big money, well, they say that they used these drugs in medical purposes. yes, this is a classic scheme, the entire norwegian team, the finnish team has suffered from asthma since childhood, each of them has won gold medals in biathlon in skiing five times, but they have suffered from asthma since childhood, let's take any asthmatic, a person

who really suffers from asthma will ask if he can run 10 km at this pace or 20, well, it's funny, grigory, in boxing there is such a situation in general, someone gets some kind of medical - special approvals for use in boxing, i don’t, there’s no such thing, i don’t even understand what can help in boxing when you take a precise blow to the jaw, such drugs don’t exist, in boxing, you know, it’s a very clean sport, there’s actually a lot of courage, patience, strength, health, of course, the technique that the guys have, no matter how big you are or how super-hardy you are, if you take a precise blow either to the body, to the liver, or to the chin, you ’ll feel it 100%, there are no people who ate something and you hit them on the head, and he doesn't feel it, that doesn't happen. right now there are very strong attacks on boxing, and it is known that the iba, the international boxing association, was excluded from the ioc, because this association is headed by our

citizen, umar kremlev, and thomas bach tried in every way to deal with him. there are many other organizations that want to take this place and become a member of the mog. here is one of such organizations - this is the world boxing council, we tried to contact them against the background of what was happening at the olympics, we all saw the performances of gender characters, trance performances, and well, we talked.

yes, you did, you checked it for my suggestion that gerry wants us to double down on our anti-russian stance. it was done. in any case, it was checked, given our fight that is supposed to take place in october. i'm just saying that. hello. good afternoon. and mauricio. hello. it is a great honor to speak with you,

mr. kasparov. i can confirm his identity. as i mentioned in my letter, some of our russian athletes are ready to fight in the wbc. some of them have joined the iba organization, but maybe in the future we can move them to you. but you know, the problem now in russia is that the dictatorship is quite harsh, so these people are ready to move to the united states. the wbc has been the leader in the boxing world for many, many years since our inception. the first initial decision of the wbc was to stop any fights taking place in russia and to exclude all fighters from russia from the wbc, but we are opening the opportunity for everyone. apply, and we allowed some athletes to fight for

the wbc belt while we look into their cases. under your leadership, this is a great opportunity to take another step forward for justice and peace. grigoriy, tell us more about this organization. it is unpleasant and sad to hear mauricio's words, the wbc is one of the most powerful influential boxing organizations, professional. boxing, but this greatness, this glory was not claimed by mauricio, he is only the son of hase suleiman, his father, who actually developed and came up with this version, all the big the fights that we know of, they were already under has suleiman, murisya took over this organization, and today we see such a powerful degradation and such a position towards russia, he was in moscow many times, he was in russia many times, he was present at my fight against.

so, but today they allow athletes who have dual citizenship to enter the ring, well, in general, while fights on russian territory are not sanctioned at all, they take a very strong, firm position, anti-russian, and this is very bad, because professional boxing, russian, it is very strong and wbc, i think, will suffer greatly from this, it is interesting that his employee said, we can increase the pressure against russia, twice, twice, they are already pro'. this is according to publications, the question is the number

of statements, and what kind of tournament they are talking about in october should be, i can suspect that if we are talking about october 19, it will be a big fight for the title of absolute world champion in the light heavyweight 81 kg against artur beterbiev, who holds the wbc title, he is the holder three belts and dmitry bivol, these are two of our compatriots, that is, in connection with the fact that they are russians they want... to somehow influence, but apparently, they want to somehow dot the i's in this part, it is interesting that they recently held the same conference with the head of the office of the president of ukraine, andriy yermak, we had i know that you had a conversation with the head of the administration of the president of ukraine, mr. yarmak, can you tell me what the conversation was about? we discussed the peace forum that

took place in switzerland. now the problem is, who represents the boxing association. the wbc is professional boxing, but we also have an amateur committee, i would like to invite you to meet jill, but at your earliest convenience.

week and we will continue the conversation. this is just the beginning, and i thank you. it is a great honor for me to meet you, alberto and gabriel. i will call you on this honor to meet you, and i thank you. can i ask you one more question. you probably saw how he called the athletes who competed in the olympics? he is against transgender people. so i hope that.

yes, but what are the terrible things, that this organization got rid of debts or that it develops, yes helps boys and girls all over the world, develops boxing in africa, in asia in countries where it helps more, helps financially with the construction of new halls, the purchase of new rings, conditions, here are fabulous, incredible fees today at the world and european championships, absolutely right, i'm interested in what you talked about with the head of the office. zelensky about the peace summit, well, that is, what do politicians have to do with it, yes, this is a unique property of the americans, people who speak badly about russia now, here they speak pompous big words, but without specifics, here is the link, i was surprised

why vitaly vladimir klitschko was not in the conversation, well at least there was some sense in this, well that is a clear connection, and here well by the way they communicate quite closely, as far as i know, well of course of course. they even have an office in kiev, of course, yes, support for transgender people is at the highest level, and what do ordinary europeans think about the past olympic games, a survey from switzerland right after the commercial, the count is three, one, two, three, forward, and what about you, i can't swim, hey, i don't have any swimming trunks. the human voice is the most perfect instrument in the world, when a person sings, he is honest, probably, you shouldn't tell anyone that you met me, open up, open up, please, go away, get out of here, well, you

guys are talented and not stupid, you should understand that you have no chance with the rook. choir, premiere of a multi-part film, tomorrow after the program time, charisma, charisma, come on to me, cat, i can't pronounce all the names either, the speaker in general, still people are wondering if i or she was the first,

i was looking for my son's comrades after the war, i was interested in what was happening there at the end of the war, and anything could have happened there , if you don't have a photo? it's strange,

where are they, were they here, oh my god, how similar he is to my son, you are the only real witness, the only person he came to openly, well, major, the hunt has begun, the confrontation, or whatever they are called, transgender people. we support a gay boxing tournament in australia. the first gay boxing championship

is taking place in australia. we are completely their support. what happened at the olympics outraged everyone because this approach was based on iba rumors, without any substantial evidence. and as for the iba, we have not supported them for many years. they used to be the aba. it is a corrupt organization and we are 100% on your side on this issue. mr. kasparov, my name is alberta leone, i am the vice-president of the wbc, and i am also the general counsel and lawyer of the organization. you know, jill is absolutely right. as for the aiba and the iba, which is the successor of the aiba, the scandals, the criminal the charges and the convictions everything that they have done to enrich themselves. at the expense of not only the olympics but the boxers themselves, it is outrageous, we have spoken out against it publicly time and time again, so we

are looking forward to working with you and exploring opportunities and projects that we can do together to bring some of these issues to the forefront and to let people in the world know what is going on here, how to combat them, how to make your organization. well, that is something that we would like to discuss, right now we we support an organization called world boxing that came out of the amateur league in the us and is struggling to get enough countries to join the ioc as a professional organization, it's harder for us to get affiliated, but we 've tried many, many times to talk to the olympic committee, we've sent letters to mog, we've sent invitations, but they won't sit down with us , but because we have a professional. gay people, we hire them for

jobs. we have trans people and gay people at all levels. we've openly offered create a transgender league in addition, everyone should compete in boxing. we just want it to be a safe, fair environment for everyone. that's the way it's designed. i can raise money for these tournaments. i think there's a lot of things we agree on. you know why i care about gay rights? because i'm gay too. who said that? kaspara, it doesn't matter to us. if you're gay, it's okay.

appropriate controls, it's inevitable, that's what they're pushing now, is to create a transgender league separate, that is, everything to this is what will happen, that is, there will be a separate transgender olympics, where there will be only european and american athletes, and there transgender people will compete with non-transgender people, they will have transgender medals, but the rest of the normal world, the adequate world, the world that supports traditional values,

that supports traditional religions, it will be... 90% of the planet, and these will be absolutely new leagues, these will be absolutely new competitions, and really, this is what they are trying with all their might to do, even using any opportunity for discussion, they immediately return to the peace summit, to something else, that is, any event is reduced to the destruction of humiliation of russia, and what do they say in the boxing community about this fight, about this fight, everyone is outraged, after all, who? at least once in his life put on gloves stood in the ring, everyone understands perfectly well, firstly, this is a very difficult bread, this is a very difficult sport, it is one thing to lose there 3:0, and another thing when you are hit on the head, it is a completely different feeling, therefore, when a man of male gender, female, immediately feels, that is, there is even a completely different level, well, energy and so on, so this is madness, i am very sorry, i am very upset that we are present today, we live in a time when

the great sport of boxing, this is a gentleman's sport. this sport, first of all , self-defense, yes, this is a noble sport, when two men opposite each other according to the rules, and in front of their comrades, fans, sort out male relationships, according to honest rules, turned into some kind of madness, and they talk, and discuss, after all, not sports, transgenderism, lgbt, things that are unacceptable to normal people, with a normal education, with a normal upbringing, they are simply trying to shake up society and instill these stories, but not all countries accept this agenda, for example, there is the middle east, people are more conservative, not everyone, not everyone will be ready to accept this, i mean in the middle east in saudi arabia, they are totalitarian, they are more dictators, so not everyone understands this. exactly, and just returning to our efforts to involve in amateur boxing, we

sponsored amateur tournaments, amateur events. amateur gyms where amateur boxers have been training for years, we have been trying to join the boxing group in the united states, which is the organization that regulates amateur and olympic boxing in the united states, and we have been trying in every way to become an associate member so that we can have access. to be able to help amateur boxing and olympic boxing. directly provide all these gyms, mr. kasparov, where amateur boxers are training all over the world, they do not have resources, they don't have the equipment, they don't have the training. we've played a major role in trying to provide that, trying to provide the training, trying to provide the opportunities and we've been turned down on many

levels. you're already a champion, you're already a champion. well , i think they're going to keep turning us down after what they said. about the saudis, you know, why didn't he answer, because saudi arabia is hosting the highest grossing, the best, the most competitive boxing matches in the world today, here's artur biterbiev, dmitry bivol, one of the the best fights that are expected all over the world, there is anthony joshu, tyson fury, there is alexander usyk, elite, they invest huge amounts of money, and somehow now talking about lgbt in relation to the saudis, it is definitely not convenient for them, he just. avoided this answer, nevertheless they showed what kind of organization it is, in fact, what issues are they most interested in? inevitably shifting interest in all world agendas, this is to us, to our civilized world, russia, china, india, the middle east, latin america, that is it is inevitable, where sport comes first, sport and culture, science, science and

economics, already brics, g7 on all issues, believe me, in our lifetime we will see all this, how all this will pass over to the entire center of power, will pass over to us, here at the olympic committee in lausanne there was an important...

i really, really liked it, i think it turned out very original, very inclusive, yes, at the same time there are bans on the participation of some players, they are definitely unfair, but this is what politics requires, there is no getting away from it, if you put in a fight between a transgender and a woman, then we will put her in danger, because a man is stronger, a woman is biologically weaker, it is not worth it. there are many cases where women competed with transgender people, what do you think about this? this is wrong, they were

there because they produce more muscle mass. did you watch the olympic games this year? personally, i did not really like the opening ceremony, because of that video there was a scandal. i mean the one where they showed transgender people, that video shocked me, there was a scandal in boxing, that is really not for me, i don't agree that a transgender person can compete with women, i think it's unfair that they compete with women who were originally women, in my opinion it should be like this: men with men, women with women, and that's enough, otherwise you can just break your head, but about participation in the olympic games, can all countries participate?

back at the olympics, these issues will be on the agenda, it was impossible to imagine, i would say, not to mention 40 years ago, well, probably, let's take the olympics, for example, fourteenth year, well even sixteenth, well i would really call it, i weigh my words, but i would call it a real degradation, this is the degradation of the olympic movement, which is being carried out, as it seems to me, very systematically, you know, i still have some kind of... a timid hope that what happened in paris, it might somehow sober up some people, maybe, you understand, because further...