along with two other astronauts, butch wilmar and suni williams. their mission was supposed to end early this summer, but due to a malfunction of the bowing starliner, they still haven't been able to fly home. that's all for now, see you there. but if you recall the sixties, how these cinematic connections between soviet italian directors began to form, the first contacts, because after the festival of students and youth in '57 , this formal and informal interests this festival stirred up these relations in many ways, and then more agreements were signed between italy.

the soviet union began to come out, to be shot films, co-productions, what is called today, well then also joint productions, that's how you were already working in this cinematographic world, i came to cinema later, later, that's how, remember how it all happened, how this mutual interest awakened, how people discussed it among themselves, how they wrote about it in newspapers and magazines, that's this mutual interest, you you know, it was happiness. just happiness, because making joint films, when the world opens up, when you are friends with another country, it is with you, the best that we have is revealed to them, and it was the happiness of communication, happiness, revelation, simply, i can tell about my experience, so to speak, well,

i didn’t follow the first joint production, not bantarchuk, i was still quite young then, i was studying in another dimension, i was finishing university, so i came to cinema already thirty years old, that’s how it is, so i can tell about my experience, i generally myself called it when i had already moved to italy a bridge, because i... liked it so much that tanya joked at our house and said that we had a branch of the soviet embassy, ​​the first to arrive was eldar rezanov, who had already filmed the adventures of italians in russia, as you know, and he loved italy very much, and it was a wonderful cinema panorama, i don’t know if the material has been preserved, before that it was a wonderful experience, wonderful, completely... happy years of working with andrei

arsenyevich torkovsky, who came at the invitation of rai, rai television to film his the film which was called "nostalghia". in italian it is called "nostalghia" because g and there it is, but andrey insisted. let's call it in russian because it is an absolutely inherent feeling for a russian person, this nostalgia, i will tell you that it was 3 years of happiness, to say the least, and andrey met all the leading directors, of course, from fedoriko fellini, with he was very friendly with michelangelo antunioni and with all our friends.

in velvet suits, with shirts turned down, ties slightly lowered, uh, tied in a very soft big knot, smiling, eh, beautiful, absolutely... simply in its creative power. fedorika came in and said: and you sat down beautifully, but let's have a more intimate one there, and we'll go boom-boom-boom, of course, when he left, again fedorika with his ironic, he said: "don't you think, tanya, that he looks like a prussian officer of the first world war, i was right there andrei in a helmet and really, well, it's all the moustache." of course, the moustache, this tension in andrei's face is always there, although in italy, he began to smile, i i saw him for the first time, like this, sighing, and it was a very strong connection between italian cinema and soviet cinema, and

it seemed that it would never be broken, that was the impression, there was a lot in common, because in the russian character in... your acquaintance with tanya goera, how did this spark arise, yes, how did your life paths converge? we met by chance, then my first husband, alexander efremovich yablochkin, who was the director and

producer of a mass film, died, and i did not leave the house anywhere, so i decided to myself, suddenly my friend, wonderful innochka came.

this is generally from my point of view a masterpiece, which is relevant now, absolutely, this cinema is eternal, you understand, it does not age, here again i am all of them near all my life, again i buried them all, well they are alive, when you started

communicating with tanina, yes, then he listed his filmography briefly, and you are like, and i watched this film, and i watched this one. and this is also you, no, how was it? tanina generally wrote in his life - officially, it can be counted, but he wrote more, because sometimes in theaters it is 120 films, here he worked completely italian and not only cinema, and as they said, his mind ran like a red thread through the whole cinema, when he was asked how he could work with different directors, he laughingly says:

i didn’t come up with a sea of ​​plastic, if rex hadn’t been drawn by a wall, it would have dragged on later, if he hadn’t taken all these characters, it would have been a nice school story of our common, all because they were born nearby, then nina santa arcangelo, federico time, in the same year, and federico was very thin, with a nickname gandia, was embarrassed to undress. on the beach, when the remenese came to santa arcangelo, and santa arcangelo is a smaller

town, they entered and threw themselves on the bar, is that a toilet, a fight began, so maybe tanina, in childhood, boys fought, well, what is shown in mommies on sons, yes , this whole atmosphere, of course, here in mommies there is another letter, it is not in the tetras, but ... driyka writes, tonino, write everything and send me what comes to mind, because a common childhood, especially that scene with the monks, for example, and so on, send everything, i need everything, so their common work continued unofficially, not only those films that were later shot, somewhere they are listed as a screenwriter, and earlier, because it could not be otherwise, i must say that frederica, when tanina.

watch these films, watch these actors, that is, you had the opportunity to watch much more than the average

viewer, in fact, worked in cinema, of course, well, how did you come to musfilm, how did you start working in cinema, how did it start, i started working in cinema as a philologist, by the way, because i worked in a film called sofen , we did subtitles, subtitles for films, and then you... all my life with the most wonderful directors who worked for us at that time, and i

carried this friendship with pride, and these people became our friends, and i think that russia and its wonderful people helped us, stanina in our common interests, in our common life, to say that the friendship with georgy nikolaevich danelia was very strong, very strong until the very end, and even i remember such an episode, that is, georgy nikaevich never wrote stunina, tanina never helped him with scripts, with naumov and allov, yes, and it was a white day filmed and there it was the last role of smaktunovsky, you understand. with andrei khryzhinovsky, what a wonderful work, what

a wonderful friendship, with yurychkomorshteyn, with andrei, and with all that wonderful animation of that very strong, incredible, poetic, which was nowhere in the world, and it was happiness, here is the lion with a gray beard, who will now show ... in torusia, which is shown from time to time, one of the best films from my point of view, andrei yuryevich, there wonderful, brilliant drawings by sergei barkhin. wonderful, and tanin's voice is preserved there, the only film where he sings, tanin valdevny's voice is very good hearing, so he sings there and sattaram and osiliane, and with all the georgian cinematography, of course, because we went to georgia too, and well with all

the directors and also of course with elemmi and larisa shiptka at the stupid time, well, i 'm telling you... that it was mutual enrichment, they were our guests, it was the period of the rise of both the sixties and the italian neorealism, here we are like a bridge, the frame connected this, and it was happiness, i will think that there was a mission in this, someone brings magnets from their travels, someone gifts. well, someone as a keepsake of a new family member? we have a dog, she is such a coward, they looked at each other for a week, now they have already gotten used to it, a master of martial arts, in his training he teaches not how to hit correctly, but how to love correctly, let us teach you, come on, okay, okay, you won’t cry, okay, you won’t worry, okay, 1, 2, 3, the trainer’s task is not to make

him a champion, first of all, to bring up a healthy personality in him, saw the video, look,

four or five of you, i'll make a deal now, they'll sing some more, guys, one more time, exactly the same, the season premiere, watch after the evening news, oh, nightingale, listen, this is not your little brother, his voice is exactly like yours, you should knock up a cheburashka, bravo, bravissimo, mine, so you needed me? and while yours could sing , yes yura, and now that's it, they threw me out, yes, petrov andrey petrovich, yes, it's me, you 'll have to go through with us, in war everything means, okay, what are you doing, ironic, lately our mother has been acting

strange, the disease has started to progress, it's... it can be treated, you can't do that to grachev, he's a genius, he, he's a creator, he created this choir, he has the right to decide what to do, and you too, choir, the premiere of a multi-part film, tomorrow, after the vremya program, the film that you mentioned already in our conversation, which, another project that didn't happen, tanioni's project, tanin's.

who tried so hard, so that he tried so hard that when he treated antonione to pilaf, he, as is proper for guests of honor, took a piece with his hand and began to offer the cartoon to mikelzhela, who pulled away in awe, he did not expect that it was for an honored guest, well then... how everyone laughed, that's the story , it's a secret, and tannin ger said, he has a lot of maxima, you know, such sayings, i really like.

that's where it is in aquilon or paper illuminates us, think about it, it's very cool, snake, because boys launch paper kites on the edge, in the desert, near the aul, that's it, then a hurricane, a sandstorm, everything breaks and... only one remains, he holds this rope, it is not this that remains, all the villages, all the surrounding ones, i begin to tie the cord, because it pulls, pulls somewhere there, where the secret has not yet been revealed, everyone unravels carpets, sweaters, a camel, as antonioni said, must push huge skeins, giant multi-colored wool across the desert, it was very beautiful, it had to be, and so...

about the inexplicable miracle, why it did not happen, why it did not work out, unfortunately, michelangelo was offered, not for censorship reasons, but they offered to do editing in russia, he refused it, it would have been unusual and impossible for him, and some actors were already being selected or everything had just been chosen, let's what...

said to the state cinema, allow him to stay, to continue working, because somehow he told me, you know, i said everything in russia, even if i only made five films, i want to talk to the world, unfortunately they told him that nostalgia, come back, and he, with his character, felt like a serf, thereby a composer. tanya, these are the ones you rewatch most often, if

rewatching, now or have you remembered them so well that in general you can quote from any place. you know, sometimes, sometimes, just any film that suddenly comes into my field of vision, so i watch and can't tear myself away from... tunin's anniversary we always do a small retrospective of his films in our museum, places for the soul, that's what tanin called the places he created, a garden of forgotten fruits, for example, you have to come to see it all, a temple of thought, then a museum of just one painting, these are all places for the soul, which tunin created, about italian cinema, unfortunately, the one that i come to school, i ask, i tell, the young generation, they don’t know, when i

know, in which i lived, remembers very little at all afilin i ask, who, someone is timid there from the end, an artist, they are here, they, here they are, they, they live, an amazing museum was created in filin, in the malotesta castle, as it should be, and what about films with orentin, for example, or secondary, secondary, well, he himself admits it, saying, in his films, he imitates very much.

the feeling that we are present among geniuses, we talked about the centenary of marcelaini, about the ninetieth anniversary, maybe a little more, of sophia lorren, we talked about the film sunflowers, in which they both played, which was filmed , among other things, in moscow, and we talked about tanina guera, we talked about all this with laura guera, to whom we are very grateful for the fact that you talked to us about this, gratitude to you, i remember those times with joy. thank you very much, thank you, it was a podcast of witnesses from einstein and its host is a film historian, natalia ryabshchikova and stanislav didinsky. hello, this is the podcast lab ask surkova. today my guests are evgenia gin and petr

pavel. tris specialists, today we have a painful topic, it worries every parent, what is a phone, is it evil or useful and how to build a healthy relationship with gadgets? evgenia, i want to start by telling you that your child is 10 years old and he does not have a phone, everything is correct, how did you live to such a life, but here it will be correct and honest to say that he has a tablet that lives at home, yes, that is , constant connections that he has. he doesn’t have it with him, and i just don’t see, you were just talking about harm or benefit, we, as triz specialists, know that there is always harm and benefit in everything, it is important to weigh what is more in a specific situation, and of course there is benefit from a phone, however, when we talk about small children, up to adolescence, maybe a little older, you and i know that children, at least at 10 years old they look like

adults, only smaller, but from the point of view... all day long watching lectures, and considering that you have to digest it, that is, you can’t i don’t have any parental control, any kind of, i don’t go in, i don’t look at the viewing history, and there are periods

when he... dad skips over the cartoon, but again, it seems to me that it’s very important for a parent to have a close connection with a child, to talk, to discuss, and the child and i don’t lecture , like, i’m giving you too much screen time here, you’re giving me too much screen time, yes, and we just walk and talk about what’s happening now, and what are the alternatives, and what are the advantages, if you consume a lot, and what can you do besides this, and here planning also helps a lot, my son and i... i once asked him, what do you associate me with, and but i must say that at that moment i was sitting at my desk, the context of the situation is important, and he told me that i associate you with your little pieces of paper, stickers, on which you constantly write your to-do list, this is true, that is, i also have everything in electronic form, but what i write on pieces of paper for the day, my son and i also every day when we go home from school we plan what we will do, and you know, a gadget has become a very simple way

to occupy yourself, you have to strain yourself, to think of something for me to take a jump rope, take a ball, draw, do something else, play sports, and you have to strain yourself a little, in everything modern children have a gadget. it is a lot of things, it is a currency, a way of communication, a way to be in a company, in society, not to fall out of it, of course, yes, but it is a very simple way to occupy yourself, well, that is, it can be plugged into any hole, yes, and if we have there is a habit of plugging up any hole, then it, it is like gas, it fills all the space that we have, yes, the whole obtor pavel, you and i have a child together, not 1.7 pieces, we have many children, yes, our eleven-year-old daughter got one. no one has tablets, well, except for our son, who is seventeen, the two eldest of us, he also does not have a tablet, he has one, he has a computer and a phone, yes, but my daughter, who is 11, she got a phone, now it was a bargaining chip, why did i say that it is such a currency

modern, including the relationship between children and parents, because she received a discount on tuition at school under the initial conditions, that is, as in decent business relations in general, we before... when she began to participate in the olympics, discussed what she would get if she won this discount, she said: i will need a phone twice a week for half an hour, very modestly, she received it and spends all her time on school chats, on being in society, in fact, i don’t like it either, as i do not like her replace the wonderful school chats, in which some kind of general bakhanali occurs, i discussed this with her this morning, i listened for 20 minutes to who wrote what to whom there, what who...

to make a cucumber salty, put it in brine, and here is such a moment that we look for an environment for our child, communication depends very much on the environment, and there is an environment in which no matter how wonderful, personally our child is not, he will discuss everything that you do not like, they will swear, there will be and so on, because well, this is how it is accepted, these are the laws of this society, i will also add, since we have moved from the topic of the telephone, our contradiction, to communication, then we can do even more. this one is spamming, this one is flooding, this one needs to be blocked, this one needs

to be turned off from the admins in itself, because of the wrong communication in chats, that is, we are narrowing the problem, and this problem, yes, the carrier of this problem is the telephone, the telephone is a nazi in relation to the chat, therefore. when we say that there should be a telephone, because the promise has been fulfilled, and there should not be a telephone or there shouldn't be a phone, so that there aren't these problems with distraction. substitution of live communication, with substitution of concepts, because at school they communicate normally, at the moment we are talking about a conflict already in chats, and we need to solve this problem, speaking about adolescence, i understand perfectly well that for many a phone is a sign of adulthood, in this case, if we are talking about chats or we are talking about social networks, for many children this is a sign that i am growing up, that i am breaking some rules, absolutely here i agree with my wife, because really their...

these lives virtual and real, and in many ways it can be traumatic for children, but from you i want some unique solutions, maybe exercises, maybe games, maybe initiatives to resolve conflicts in these chats or even establish rules, that is , we as psychologists say, so the children came, said, we will write a list of rules, we will all sign and will follow them, but surely it is possible somehow non-standard, suggest what you have in your tris of pedagogy on this topic? interesting, first of all, if

you think that someone is breaking the rules, ask others, these rules must be accepted by society, a cucumber, in order to become salty, it must be put in brine, in the same way a child, in order to become well-mannered, he must be educated, well, accordingly , show him certain examples, in this case, if we again talk about chats and everything else, it is necessary for the child to be not only in his chat at school, but also be present somewhere. in a family chat, if you do not have one, create one

him, ask in this family chat his opinion on some absolutely elementary topics, for example, what to cook for dinner today, so that he sees that his opinion is important, well yes, that he is not just a spectator, yes, what do you have in your pedagogy, about communication in chats, all this, it is really cool here, i also thought, here is a subsystem tool, yes others, when we are other chats, or from the same chat, here you say, there is one who hurts, there is. everyone will find out about it right away, someone will find out, someone will not find out, and let make their own chats based on interests, don't say that i invited my friends, but i invited those who are interested in football, yes, here is our chat about interesting, yes, here is a chat about harry potter, there is nothing to be offended about here, everyone can, it is also important to establish rules here, that if it is about football then... of course, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

that is, there is no element of offense here, there is a topic, and we are already communicating on this topic, the second point, i really love what is called cases, in psychology, this is a whole topic, child, let me not you educate, let's look at other people's situations and discuss how we could have acted in them, i very often do this with my child, when we see... let's say here's a real case, we leave school and see how one of the children, a boy, his mother says, and he screwed up there, did something wrong, she tells him: weekend without a phone, weekend you will read a book, a good punishment, yes, and my son and i go, and i tell him, what do you think, and what did the boy feel, and what did his mother feel, and what do you think, this is the punishment, what is in it pros, what are the cons, that is, again, i do not pose the dilemma badly.