neological and sensory, these are the kinds of things about which a lot can actually be said, and which they sort of continue further, so in connection with this, i can ask a clarifying question, here is such a division, that actually according to the internal, according to the content of the development of european philosophy, we can distinguish several large periods: from the birth to plato, from plato to kant and from kant to our time, so how ready are you to agree with this...

this historicism, the desire to look at history as a single process, to divide it into certain parts and so on and so on and so on, yes, and here there are a lot of questions about these divisions, which danilevsky asked in our tradition, in the western tradition, like spengler, this whole direction, but what i said before, that plato formed the philosophical language, this action, it continues one way or another with modifications through all these... periods, that is, it turned out to be such an invariant, as mathematicians say, that is, this action with all the cultural modifications associated with social, religious things, yes, but still this language continues, but is modified, the first modifier of plato's language was aristotle, then in the greek tradition it is modified there by the neoplatonists, it is modified in one way, by christian writers of the early, as it were, early patristics, it modifies.

in another way, and then this history of modification occurs. in general, of course, i agree with this, if we look at how plato was read, then, probably, with the exception of the period of ancient skepticism also very interesting, and often forgotten, well, we don’t forget it either, not so much attention is paid to it in our history of plato’s culture, because in approximately the same way, approximately, it is clear, in the most general sense, approximately the same way they began to interpret modern. spirit and then here is neoplatonism as one of the highest phenomena of the world spirit in general and one way or another the influence of this reading of plato and the way of using the terminology of the categorical grids that he created, we see before kant, maybe even further than after kant, here is everything absolutely right, on the other hand, attempts to overcome plato, which regularly arise in the 19th - 20th centuries, are interestingly turned inside out by the fact that the definition of plato again leads to him, only with other different sauces. in fact, he

is not like that, it was in vain that we talked about him for 200 years, in fact, he is not like that at all, here is another point that i must say, that this is also largely connected with the fact that his terms, words, concepts, ideas, often not necessarily in ancient greek sounds, they exist not only within the framework of philosophy, within the framework of science, they have become the enemy of our culture, our religious preferences or teapot, at least, here is artistic life, it is enough to remember the myth of the cave, which well... simply occurs in a number of literary works, often completely unconsciously, yes, as it is reproduced there, therefore from this point of view plato is very powerful, maybe we will say a few words then about the myth of the cave, again, if someone has not reread it for a long time, the myth of the cave, here too it can obviously be viewed in different ways, with your permission i will give you the option that seems interesting to me, firstly, the myth of the cave is a very important place in the dialogue of the state, such a kind of turn occurs, including in the style of ...

the funeral speeches over the first fallen athenians of thucydides, yes, when he says that from now on athens can be educators of harmony, well, just from the point of view of upbringing, not upbringing, we are like prisoners of a cave, this is a very sharp, sharp gesture, i would say this myth, and from the outside expressing sokomnasiological, epistemological, of course, the myth of the cave unfolds this concept of the four-part line of plato's cognitive, in general, it indicates at its very beginning initially a state in which well...

but for the most part, we all arrive with you, when we not only do not understand what we see, we do not even see ourselves, and do not know, yes, that is, conditionally, excuse the primitiveness no, not only the object of knowledge, but the subject does not exist. today we have gathered with thoughts about the great philosopher plato, doctor of philosophy, roman svetlov, doctor of philosophy dmitry bugay, candidate of political sciences, vladimir ligoy, yes, we continue, as it seems to you, in the formation of personality, well, in addition to the fact that we understand that the meeting with socrates , the death of socrates, well, a lot, if not everything, in the life of plato was determined, yes, or in many ways determined, here is what would you highlight from those personal characteristics in which we can be more or less sure.

pilapanes war, because his youth itself, that is, the most important period for a person, the period when he culture, which he witnessed at the end is formed, it came at the final crisis of this world of the greek polis, yes, when this world was torn apart into two

sides, which destroyed each other for 30 years in an irreconcilable struggle, when, in fact, but not only this external war, when, in fact, a crisis of values ​​occurs. what does the prayer of zeus mean, when enlightenment spreads, enlightenment undermines accordingly ancient religiosity changes a person, a person changes and ceases to orient himself in this world, that's actually what happens in plato's work, this is again an attempt, why this philosophy?

in later times, why was plato read like that, why did he suddenly turn into the most different characters, the last century , in my opinion, the reasons, and now i'm like in the form of a joke, although maybe in what i'm going to say, there is only a grain of humor, no, maybe plato is one of the most dramatic of all thinkers, who

understood one thing, who really said in that language, that he was not very understood for a long time time, that's actually what karl barth once said, the author dies in the text, that's the famous place from fyodor's dialogue, yes , from fyodor's dialogue, where he criticizes written speech, and where he says that well, well, it's like a statue, well, why does a statue say something, there was always something on it? i'll say that plato, perhaps, was the first of the philosophers who treated religion differently from the valendomites, yes, the enlighteners,

who took on the task of constructing, well, of course, not a dogmatic one, but nevertheless some rational in my opinion writes yes, what is the doctrine of ideas, this is theology, i mean something a little different, not a doctrine, but nevertheless, of course no one gave him sanctions for this, he only worked within the framework of the school, but notice how many concepts of this theology, even if we speak of theology in quotes, then become a common place in antiquity about... which reach our time, here, but besides everything else, he also seems to me, a person who dramatically understands the nature of creativity. you know, an extremely interesting topic and i would like to dwell here a little, from this point of view, the oral written word, yes, it is somehow accepted to read, well, at least, maybe, at such a level, almost amateurish, yes, or even amateurish, that socrates did not write anything, which is also not true, yes, he did not write philosophical works, but plato already wrote there, aristotle already wrote and the attitude to the oral. written word is already changing, as far as i understand, correct me, actually in plato and also in

aristotle, the oral word is valued much stronger than the written word, actually, that's what i just heard, including in your words, yes, and probably neither plato nor aristotle would have thought to say, well, if you want to know what i think about this , read this book of mine, how correct is what i just said, is it possible to talk like that about the attitude to the spoken word, including based on what you just said, roman viktorovich. it seems to me that you are absolutely right, the fact is that archaic greek culture, aka is built fundamentally differently than, for example, middle eastern cultures, like, if we take egypt, if we take, like, mesopotamia, yes, then there, accordingly, this is a culture, the transfer of knowledge, it arose around arctic foxes, around bureaucracy, but one way or another it was connected with this symbol... and the reality of a written book, well, like a glenographical, cuneiform tablet, yes, it

was connected with these written practices. greek culture is originally different, that is, it was originally really, this is a culture, here is archaic greece, this is a culture first of all of the oral, spoken word, when a greek speaks about the word, he means first of all the sounding living orally. a figure that is already gradually moving away from these archaic, as if greek , let's take aristotle, who is as if the oral word, for him, even if we concepts, even for him the written word is the lowest level of meaningful speech, because as if there are things, they are reflected in our mental representations, then they are reflected in our spoken word, and then they are reflected in the written word, that is, the written word for the greek is a kind of degradation in plato, the same thing in phaedrus, yes.

in fact, a reorientation of this entire mediterranean roman-greek, roman-hellenistic culture occurs, a reorientation to the east occurs, and then philosophy begins to transform from oral discussions into a commentary on the text, yes , then, as if starting from the first century ad, the main genre of philosophical literature, the most school commentary is becoming widespread, that is, it is a written text, in it they see levels of reality. yes, that is true, but i would like to say something important for the spoken word, how to defend it not only from the point of view

of hoary antiquity, conservative values, and so on. when we conduct classes now, of course, a lecture is very good, especially when you read it well, the students' eyes light up, they may have learned 30 percent of what you said, but nevertheless it is great, good, when you wrote a good textbook, yes, or an article, an article, it is clear for its circle, but when we talk about students gaining knowledge, of course. this is the thing from which they receive the most, maybe not even knowledge, but the ability to work skills to philosophical work, it seems to me that plato spoke about this, from this point of view he is right. but let's talk a little about the academy, when i read in losiv, what the academy looked like, i asked someone where, where did alexey fyodorovich know in general, what it was, what it looked like, but i i don’t remember who told me, alexey fyodorovich

could allow himself this description, but in fact, this is also a beginning, yes , also the creation of an educational institution, of course, not like now, but nevertheless, i myself believe that the platonic academy is rather a certain community of people around plato, which, as it were , interacted with him, that is, i do not believe that lectures were given there, i do not believe that these classes were subordinated to some kind of, as it were, some kind of curriculum, well, there was some kind of charter there, where it said that this actually religious, these are all attempts by later philologists to guess. there was, yes, and there are very different, very different versions, someone suggests that it was a political union, someone, for example, velomovets, he once wrote about the fact that it was, well, like, a faculty established to serve the muses, well, these are again our attempts to find some kind of label that can be attached to this, but it seems to me that it was such a more amorphous, what is still called quite

normal for the culture of that time, formation, that's where plato, as a... person outstanding in intellectual terms and who proposed this new, i would call it this, logical-mathematical program for the renewal of knowledge and morality, he was surrounded by people who for one reason or another were close to this program, that is, plato, he is still, as it were, his significance, he was a propagandist, a popularizer, a participant in that scientific revolution that was taking place then, the scientific revolution was colossal, because astronomers... architas, they actually showed that what is happening in the sky, this rotation of the stars and the movement of the planets of the sun along the ecliptic, it does not happen randomly, as was taught before socratics, it happens due to certain mathematical laws, this feeling of order arose, that the cosmos is order, this is the structure of the world, and from this the conclusion was made that the most important

higher sciences that allow us to establish this order are mathematics and well, what... but plato rethought what happened with archytas, because again we know very poorly what would have happened there with archites, but in any case, of course, archite is unlikely to have this program, he was simply a good mathematician, astronomer, and there a theorist of music, acoustics first of all, here, but he... hardly had in mind, while studying mathematics, this moral, social, political reform, with which plato loaded all this, and for whom mathematics becomes a method of liberation of the soul, liberation of man, yes, here in the academy actually arose, as if those who, to whom this was close, joined plato,

yes, well, and many other things were also close, here, but we can only guess about this, but gradually, especially after plato's death, due again to those processes that went further in the greeks, among the greeks in the hellenistic era, all this gradually acquired these institutional forms, that is , a strict, as it were, appeared, it was clear how a day passes, how a month passes, when a symposium takes place, necessary, as it were, this monthly pen, yes, which, where solemn philosophy is pronounced.

at the moment when philosophy and social science became a socially significant value, and this is the hellenistic era, this is alexandria, musion, this is the support of the rulers, something that democratic society did not support, yeah. that's why i think that in this sense it is really a transitional moment, there simply wasn't, there was no musion in plato's time, which he could imitate, he himself created something that was then realized in this version, i'm coming, i'm coming, oops, hi,

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you are making a fool of me again, you are getting into the investigation again, i suggest you become the new analytical department of the ministry of internal affairs, i checked all similar cases in archive, just in the last month two similar murders and... what are your methods, i just never received your personal files, how do you work? let's go pack our bags, we have a plane soon. slate, new series, from monday on the first. doctor of philosophy, dmitry bugay, doctor of philosophy, roman svetlov, me, vladimir ligoyda, we have collected our thoughts. regarding the great philosopher plato, we continue: plato and russian culture, not only russian philosophy, although, probably first of all, but russian culture, how he is read

russian culture, yes, what is worth paying attention to here first of all, well, besides the fact that actually in an explicit form, as far as i understand, plato even in russian philosophy appears very late, that is, this is somewhere at the beginning of the 19th century, yes, probably, although actually lomonosov already tells us that he can have his own platos and quick-witted nephthons.

study of various different interactions of certain platonic texts and ancient russian culture, but if we take a later time, where it is more understandable as things stand, in a sense, at the end of the 18th century, russia was even, i would say, ahead of the rest of the world, because russian plato began to appear in russia even before the translation of the german schleiermacher, before the french translation of kuze.

penetrates into interaction with, first of all, with the reception of hegelian philosophy for hegel , plato is the most important figure, naturally, those who read hegel here, all of our, as if all of our hegelians of one or another direction, they were familiar with hegel's assessment of plato, his dialectic, or those who did not, did not accept hegelian philosophy, they were more inclined to schleirmacher, but again, interest in plato is shown by the fact that... in the forties, a new complete translation of plato by professor karpov begins to come out, i don’t really like this translation, but at the same time, karpov knows literature very well, german scholarship, he...

well, as it were, reproduces the comments of stahlbaum, the main commentator on plato from the germans, of that time, yes, but from my point of view, the real reception of plato as plato, of course, begins with vladimir solavyov, yes, from his translations of plato and from his life drama of plato, so you add something, that's exactly it, that's general cultural, in my opinion. here there is a certain, in general, slightly detective turn, because everything is absolutely correct, dmitry said that of course they were familiar with plato's ideas with individual phrases, plots, sometimes not even knowing whether plato or so on did it, but nevertheless, of course, if we talk about russian culture of the 17th, for example, 18th century, it largely arose under the culture under the influence of the western, well, aristotelian in quotation marks of course, yes, such a latin culture is happening, yes, indeed, there was that very translation of the 18th century, unfortunately

unfinished, very interesting. but a very important thing is happening in the 19th century, it seems to me that one of the reasons for this thing, i imagine that one of the reasons for this thing is connected with our self-determination in relation to who we are, europe or something else, then it turns out that plato can be read in such a way that he can be those very fragments of byzantinism, well, metaphorically expressing themselves, which entered our soil completely unnoticed by us, and the fascination with plato becomes very deep, largely thanks to the translation of karpov and the appeal to him of our great... first persons, first philosophers, and the most curious thing, with which i want to conclude this story, about 25 years ago i participated in the compilation of the anthology russian way of counteraction according to plato, it needs to be redone, it needs to be improved, it came out, 25 years have passed, there is still no anthology about aristotle conducting counteraction, although maybe at the cellular level aristotle in the 18th century gave more to russia, i know, two groups are working on this anthology now, it

will eventually come out, but nevertheless plato. became our everything in the 19th century. let's imagine that an idea appeared to make a feature film about plato. now, if you were asked to participate in this project, what plot twist would you suggest to base it on? well, the simplest option, especially if it were filmed in russia, is of course solovyov's life drama of plato, because plato's life drama is history of collapse. idealist, i myself would have gone a different way and would have rather depicted plato's life in his relations with here around sicily, first of all his relations with dion, that is, this is his central friendship of his whole life, i would have shown how an intellectual personality, she, her as if life motivation is not only as if spiritual, cultural ideological, but also personal motivation of extremely sincere and

deep friendship. thank you, roman viktorovich, i would have taken the trial of socrates, the trial of socrates, the trial of socrates, and maybe the central the event would be what is described in the apology of socrates, plato's attempts to speak out, to defend him, then that same incomprehensible illness that did not allow him to be present during the last hours of socrates' life, some interesting plot could be built around this. thank you very much, dear friends, dmitry vladimirovich pugai, roman viktorovich svetlov, i am vladimir ligoida, we were gathering our thoughts about. the great greek philosopher plato, thank you for being with us, this and other podcast episodes gathered with thoughts, you can find on the official pages of the project podcast lab. hello, this is the baden baden podcast, i am its

host. severinov, today our guest is alexey vodovozov, a toxicologist and scientific journalist, and we will talk about dietary supplements. hello, alexey, greetings, konstantin. tell me, please, dietary supplements are biologically active additives, very popular now, there are also vitamins, which are also popular now, and there is a huge sea of ​​medicine for a variety of diseases. can you give us a definition so that we understood what we would be talking about. yes, everything is quite clear here, because we have a law. on the quality and safety of food products, which has a clear definition of what a biologically active additive is, that is, it is either natural or identical to natural, biologically active substances that are intended for consumption with food products, or as food additives, and vitamins, and here a bunch of interesting questions begin, what is it then, when we talk about medicines, we have pharmacological legislation, we have a pharmacopoeia, we have other things where

it is determined what we can put there, the main active ingredients , auxiliary substances, there are also on dietary supplements, but there is a sanitary norm and rules, since this is food, then they include sanitary norms and rules, which indicate which specific... food ingredients we can use there, well, vitamins in principle we should get from food, that is, on the one hand , the pharmaceutical substance is obtained this way, on the other hand, what we usually do not get from food receives, no, here it turns out very interesting again, these are some food products, including what we get with food, including what we don’t get, there may be some parts of plants, for example, some, well, let’s say medicinal, but in those doses that... do not have a pronounced effect on us, but vitamins are also in food, if dietary supplements and vitamins are things that make up for some kind of deficiency, but in food, then it’s one and the same, it’s just a different name, no, that is, we have a substance called

vitamin, we can chemical substance, chemical substance, yes, we can register it as a medicine, for some disease, no, as a preventive measure, for example, or for vitamin deficiency, yes indeed we can register it. and for this we will have to go through a certain formal path, this is the collection of documents, a fairly large portfolio for registration, and this is expensive and difficult, therefore vitamins are now mainly trying to register as dietary supplements, here is zinc, it seems to be both a bat and a medicine and vitamin, yes, that is, we cannot say that a vitamin is a bat or that vitamins are medicines, and what should men do, vitamins are a certain substance, it can be either this way or that way. so the unfortunate user will have to choose, this really confuses people quite thoroughly, because people are trying to save money on the one hand, on the other hand to take something more natural, it turns out that today

it has been studied quite well that if we take the whole product, say, a whole apple, then we get from there not only vitamins, not only fiber, not only something else, but also some things that we haven't even studied yet. you understand, there can be a huge number of ingredients, and how they interact with each other is still not very clear, we don't need to study how it works, we understand that an apple doesn't do us much harm, we can eat it, no problems with it, but at the same time the so-called phenomenon of the environment works, that is, when we get biologically active substances from some ready-made, well, fruit, vegetable or something else, then we get them immediately in the most bioavailable form for us, plus there are a lot of them there, and if we, for example, try to do the same thing with the help of pure substances, then we will need much more of them, in large doses, but what is important is that doctors have a certain field of responsibility, that is, these are sick people, or people being examined or something else, but still,

in most cases , it is normal for our body to be healthy, this is our basic norm, these people are not entrusted to anyone, this is wrong, they also need something sell so that they also buy something, and for this, dietary supplements are suitable... so that at least somehow this whole thing can be prolonged, and, interestingly, it is believed that he is a self-proclaimed biochemist, irven shaw , i think his name was, and he wrote a letter to polling and said that everything you want can be done with the help of hyperdoses of vitamin c.

pauling liked the idea, from the point of view of biochemistry he could even explain that, well, here you go, yes, i understand that this is a vitamin, which means, probably, if we use it, it will be good, it is natural i tried it on myself, here two circumstances overlapped, that same chronic kidney disease that he had, the strict diet associated with it, and indeed a lack of vitamin c, and the fact that he started taking it, he felt an improvement, said , yeah, as a result, and so it should be for everyone, his authority, you understand, yes, that is, he is a two-time nobel laureate, they began to test the hypothesis, because he initially claimed that vitamin c helps with colds and not only treats them, but also prevents them, and then he started saying that it also... helps with oncological pathology, well , since his authority was quite high, they decided to conduct an experiment at one of the universities, one group received hyperdoses of vitamin c, the second, in general, something just as sour, but so that they would not recognize it, so that it would not

work as it should, so they did not find an effect, pauling made a real scandal, he wanted to sue them, but his lawyers talked him out of it, they said that this has no prospects for a lawsuit, let's finish here this, but to him: they listened and this group conducted the experiment again, having prepared more thoroughly, and the result was even worse, that is, it turned out that yes, even in scientific research of that time. it was not confirmed, but in popular culture it took hold and eventually turned into the industry of dietary supplements, well, that is, now you are actually talking about marketing, that is , this is marketing, a marketed commercial product that is made for healthy people who have real needs for this product, well, in this case, not treatment, in this particular product, maybe we are not talking about treatment, but simply improving the condition, this is a remedy for extra money and big money, let's look at the slide, this is one... of the fastest growing markets in general, in

principle, its total volume is estimated at about 164 billion dollars for the twenty-second year, our country, well, all of asia is yellow, this means that we, this means that we consume dietary supplements on average, not enough, let's say, not enough, and if we look at where they consume the most, in high-income countries, that is, this is clearly are interconnected, when people have extra money, they can be offered this product, well, and some say that in countries - let's say, the golden billion, people live longer, maybe it doesn't cure them, but makes their life better, and more attractive to them, but when we start to evaluate life expectancy and other things, for example, in 2019 in the united states they specifically conducted such a study, on a sample of more than 3,000 people, again there was randomization, they looked at those taking supplements and those not taking them, between there was no difference in mortality, that is...

and there is a clear increase in sales of dietary supplements, and if we look at the next slide, we will see that even during the pandemic, that is, when all people were sitting at home and not going anywhere, the only sector that grew a little was dietary supplements, that is, look, all the others are in the minus, practically pharmacy sales are meant, and dietary supplements they even remained in a small plus, but here too it is difficult to say what this means, here is zinc, which we have already they said a little, zinc was definitely prescribed in... there are both, both dietary supplements and

medicines, that is, it often happens that, as they say, dietary supplements are an alternative to pharma, well, i wouldn't say so, the fact is that out of the four largest producers of dietary supplements, two are pure pharma, big pharma, and the biggest, there's simply nowhere else to go, and one simple reason, if it... is sold, if there is demand for it, accordingly they will not miss out on benefits, they will be on the same line where they produced medicines, there too they will produce dietary supplements, well, just a little bit from other substances, it turns out cheaper, and it does not require as many control points as with drugs, subsequent random control is not required, that is, when the drug enters the market, it will then be checked, but they are at least about checks, that is, the bat at least must be harmless, right, yes from the point of view. that is, there are three main

requirements there, so that there are no toxins, so that there is no pathogenic microflora and so that there there were no radionuclides, and the requirement for benefit does not exist, the requirement for benefit does not exist, moreover, the advertising legislation states that manufacturers of dietary supplements are prohibited from appealing to clinical studies, even if they were conducted, this is not a medicine, again, this is a food product, that is, they can say that it works, but they should not refer to clinical, but they cannot say that it works, no one can check them, you can’t even say that it works, if you look at the advertising, then there are very vague phrases, they won't say that it will help fight the disease or prevent diabetes, there is no such thing now, but well then this is some kind of organized way of taking money from the population, it turns out that someone is simply taking away these huge amounts, unfortunately, yes, but... look, dietary supplements are a kind of tax on

ignorance on the unwillingness to really get some information to evaluate, we always believe in miracles, yes, that is , no one has canceled magical thinking, it works great for the overwhelming majority population, dietary supplements - this is precisely the miracle, why is it positioned as natural, and therefore useful, it is positioned as mild, that is, medicine is heavy artillery, a dietary supplement acts very gently at some molecular level. non-cellular, and you have not yet developed a disease, but the cell has already decided that you will get sick, and dietary supplements are good as a marketing tool purely, what more can you come up with. say that i don’t know, there is bad ecology around, so i need, for example, to defend themselves, but most often, of course, this is done either by some social network gurus, either nutritionists or preventologists, they call themselves by different names, but they most often recommend to people, for example, take 50 parameters of analysis, i will evaluate this analysis for you, i will tell you what is wrong with you

and what dietary supplements you need to fix it, they say: well, look, you have, for example, firitin at the lower limit, that's it, this means that you definitely need to take iron for... probably, we need iron, and probably, there is some concept of the norm, so, so i understand some kind of and it is necessary, so, if i want to be in the center, well, maybe not the very top, but in the center, i see that i have moved away from the norm by 30%, what is stopping me from taking this omega 3, look. the thing is that people are all different and for some reason, usually alternative doctors talk about this, yes, they say that official medicine can’t do this, well, we say, please, we are all different, that is why there is such a wide range of tests, yes, that is, we take some reference values ​​and there, well, there really can be differences of tens of times, someone is doing well here, in this small interval, someone

is doing well in the middle, and someone is doing well at the top, these are their personal individual norms, they have no clinical manifestations, they have... no other disorders, what is perceived as a deficiency, because it is at the bottom of the distribution is not a deficiency in fact, until there are some other objective ways to show that you still lack iron, you have anemia or something else. this is the badden baden podcast, we we talk about the benefits or harm or uselessness of dietary supplements, they help us figure this out. toxicologist alexey vodovozov, what needs to be done to take dietary supplements correctly, you don’t need to take them, that is, the correct attitude towards them, it is advisable for you to avoid them, and you walk down the street without security , the creators of this lobby should probably follow you from such a thing, there is, but we have been at odds with them for a long time, a very long time, we even did

a special project, it was called antibad at one time in 2007, i think, you are good came in, you see we have baden baden, well, yeah? something like that, look, here again a very important thing, yes, because dietary supplements are attributed with some medicinal properties, that is, they say that yes, they can act there precisely at this level that is still incomprehensible to us, often, well, okay, fine, when they tell you 50 parameters of analysis, i have one of the specializations, clinical laboratory diagnostics, i can find pathology in anyone, yes, i can even come up with some kind of indel from the norm, which it is worth paying attention, yes, for example, that you have this lower limit. look at this, this combination, it says that you are likely to develop something there someday, and we can sell such a person, in fact, a cure for his anxiety, that is, i am engaged in genetic research, there is such a concept of risk, yes, that is, there are some conditions that significantly increase the risk, yes, in some cases this

increase is such that you need to do something, for example, twice a year go to an oncologist, well, that's a classic case, isn't it so here, no, biodabav'. in this sense, they won't help at all, precisely because once again, it's food, it's a food product that doesn't, that is, it's not obliged to work as a medicine, and then what to do, that is, omega-3 is useful, you don't seem to say that it's harmful, yes, and iron too, here are some vitamins, but where to get them then, food, these are nutrients, these are the substances that we are adapted, as an organism that has evolved for a very long time, to extract from... food products, we do this sharpened, and you should judge by the state of health, that is, if you eat, you do not have consequences in the form of diseases, now, let's say, for some short period of time, then you are doing everything right, we can get nutrients from a huge number of products, so someone comes up with some kind of...