my husband and i and our child live modestly, well, there seems to be something, but why is the child so exhausted, well, he doesn’t

eat well, he eats only tea, and it’s not clear what you mix into this tea, because he sleeps all the time, am i some kind of killer, they poured moonshine into his juice so that he would drink, and he says, look how well he sleeps, and they gave it to him. that a 6-year-old person doesn’t want to talk to anyone, he sits at home, well, what’s more, do you ever do anything with your child at home, we sometimes solve examples, what’s the last problem you and they decided, well, we haven't solved the problem yet, we haven't solved it, and dad is walking with her in the park, i don't know, we need to ask him, let's ask him, fenos came to our program in order to attack anna, who is taking revenge on his family.

good afternoon, the main characters of our program today were already in this studio a few months ago, but they were in the role of witnesses, that's it. from a witness to the main character is one step, it seems like the same people, and the story is already completely different, well, at least the reason is not so serious, today elena is in our studio kozlova, she really wants to deprive elena sharovatova of parental rights, hello, hello, please help save the child of nine years roman from a family of alcoholics, before he dies of hunger, he lives in a real blatkhat, where in addition to his parents, alcohol lives, as well as other marginalized people, that is, from ordinary alcoholics to prisoners, their drinking buddies even live there, and the child sees all this, it seems as if he

eats only tea there, as if something is poured into it for him, because he constantly sleeps, oh my god, he's so skinny, and does he go to school? i mean, because we hardly ever see him on the street, he's always sitting within four walls, who are his parents, elena and fyodor? and where did you get this information about tea, about him sleeping all the time? i have friends who also come to this apartment, they, yes, they see all this, all this, they told you, yes, tell me, is this family registered with any authorities? they are registered with the guardianship authorities, and i know that they, that they they are visited, listen, well, and judging by the fact that the child is still in the family, that means those.

she is afraid of him, that is, roughly speaking , a step to the right, a step to the left, execution, that is , do i understand correctly that your main message is that if they do not listen and do not change their behavior, and you consider them alcoholics, then the children need, the child in the sense needs to be taken away from them, and the guardianship authorities are inactive, did i understand correctly, okay, it's time to call roma's mother, elena shirovatova, who, i remind you, was already in this studio on another occasion. and who is this sitting there, i don't know her in general, what does she know about my family, if this is my

first time with her, we especially don’t know her, i also can’t understand at all, who is this, damn, sit down, please, i can’t understand at all, well look, let’s talk, i ’ve seen you many times, we’re sitting here, some nice girl came, told us what’s going on with you, we got a signal, now let’s go point by point, do you drink, i used to drink, but i don’t drink now, i used to allow myself to, when will you finish? why does he look so exhausted, well, he’s bad eats, he may not eat during the day, but at night

he asks, at night the child usually sleeps, no, well, how at night, well, i mean in the evening, late in the evening, in the evening, that is, he eats once a day, in the evening, no, but he eats during the day too and he just eats a little, and what does he eat, tell me, he likes, he likes sausages, he likes mashed potatoes , he likes cutlets, so, well, sometimes he likes to eat fish, you cook all this, of course. leaves, of course, goes, what grade? he's going to the second grade now, he's been going since he was eight, and he's only going to the second grade, well, yes, and how does he did you finish the first one? well, they advised us, we went through this commission, he says, well, you can transfer him to the second grade, he says, well, it would be better to advise you to go through the first grade again, well, to strengthen it for sure, so that, that is, he was in the first grade for 2 years, well, they advised us, like, elena told us here that you mix something into your son's tea, tea with sugar, well, sugar is poison, you know, and why does he sleep all the time,

why does he sleep all the time, he doesn't sleep all the time, who said that he does it all the time, your friends who come to you to drink, what friends, i wonder, who come to you to drink, what friends, i don't know, let's ask the ulins, what are the names of those people, from the words you told us, about whom exactly anna and vladislav velichki, and do they come to my house, were they with you, when?

15, have the guardianship authorities come to you recently? so i still go to you are registered, i still go to social security and you come again, okay, they come to your house, of course they come, when were they last? two weeks ago back, well they write reports, they are all, yes everything suits them, finus when was the last time he beat you, and what about me ? and he also has a two-room apartment, and why do you live with him and not at your place? now my sister lives there,

i also have a room with maternity capital, well... we 'll talk about it a little later, for now i just really want to see this dive with my own eyes, we expected to find there, but at least five or six drunk mugs, we'll see if we managed or not, the three of us live in this room, with my husband and child, romina's bed, tell me something. why are you so shy, roman table, where he does his homework, there are notebooks there, new pencil cases, he has pencils, he has enough of all that, sweets are lying around, damn, all sorts of candies, everything is there, here is the kitchen, well of course

it is old, well here we have a sink, here we have a gas stove. we cook on a gas cylinder, it costs 1,300, we also have this in the toilet in winter you can heat the titanium with wood and wash yourself, well here is the toilet, heat the titanium and wash yourself calmly, such a dream, to also install a boiler, so that there is hot water in the kitchen and there, so that there is hot water, modestly, well, it seems like there is something, so how much does a boiler cost, i wonder, which one do you dream of buying? i don’t know, but we want to get together with this nephew, there is also a nephew who just lives there, we want to get together, all three of us, but wait, in a two-room apartment there is also a nephew, well, yes, that is, you occupy one room there, well, for now, yes, one, well, how much does this boiler cost, i myself haven’t found out, he is looking for it now, and what if your man won’t do the repairs, well, now both are expensive, for now there are no such opportunities. voice children today

on the first. they were stars of the soviet movie screen, the whole country knew and loved them. we will talk about the acting destinies of young talents. please, give us a ride in the car. i played a lot, but at that moment tuberculosis opened up, and my parents were told to urgently enroll me in some kind of street sport, they enrolled me in figure skating. you know how it works, he doesn't get out of here day and night, konstantinov was the most gifted, i don't know what happened to him, 16, used for the first time, ruined himself, yash is a tough one school, where either you can or you can't, i've already tried for the twentieth time, i just broke down, and i'm breaking my legs, my ex-wife said, well, let's get your legs back on track and just left the house, why are you all on your own, let's go one-on-one,

a serious illness, when he got into adult cinema, he couldn't become a leader there, but in the yard he just... became a leader, that is, he achieved success in the criminal world, first they killed him, then they killed his mother, with such paws, the wall didn't even reach the wall, early fame gives something, recognition of course there was, especially after the turtle, this is such fame, i'll say it rudely, well this is free fame, it is not earned, fame is a test, and not everyone can pass the test, tomorrow after the program time. you are the famous vladimir pozner, something like that, if you want to relax for free, then go to turkey, there in any village you will be a guest, who and ... they will feed and water, for a turk there is nothing more important than family, so it was and so it is, 7, 8, 9, 10, it turns out that when my father enters

the house, i will stand up and kiss his hand, and my child let him not forget the traditions, women in the house are called the minister of internal affairs, the minister of course, but the president is still a man, you know, ataturk is a real symbol for polarization in this country. in total, 25,868 russians came to gallipoli. russians established a sports life in gallipoli, created 23 football clubs played among themselves. a mixed family lives almost the same as any other family. i think that this is moderation, so to speak, living according to aristotle, this gives a sense of balance.

vladimir pozner's new project, turkish notebook, on the first since monday. and what made you quit drinking 3 months ago? i still haven't heard an answer. i'm just tired of it all, because it's all piling on me anyway, i stopped drinking because i was tired, i understand, but no, seriously, you were scared of something, and i feel sorry for the child, as if i don't want to lose the child, right, that is, you were scared that you could lose the child, on that show they scared me the same way, well, right, because do you remember what i told you to take into your own hands it is necessary, otherwise the child will not... be, let's go back to the last program, you have known anna velichka for a long time and were friends, so on the last program something like a black cat ran by and you are no longer friends, right?

yes, from this program, and because of what did the relationship deteriorate? well, what was said on the program, this is right, you see, you remember it, july remembers, and i am already our viewers, no, let's remind you what was on that program, let's today in our studio, sergey, in your city in sovetsk consider you guilty? i don't think so. there is one witness who claims the opposite. why are you telling me the truth? i myself saw on the first of the month how you hit him twice in the room, dragged the scoundrel out into the corridor, he was lying down, and you... there was another witness in this case, but it's surprising that he thinks that everything was different, this is exactly the same anna who asked you initially not to testify that she

was sergei at your place that day, right, sergei came to visit me with drinks, and why did he come to visit you if his wife is sitting here, well, i don’t know, i didn’t ask him, we sat, had a drink, this korchevsky, in short, well, to put it simply, pissed himself on... the chair, sergei slapped him, well, nothing stronger, i even said this in court, what i saw, anya, there’s just an opinion that you’re not just speaking out in defense of sergei, you’re sleeping with sergei, because of this you’re standing up for him, standing up for him, and you saw it, i saw it, because anya’s face was lying there, everything was lying on the floor, sit down, please, some kind of connection with sergei, so that we would change our testimony, so that they would not testify against him. of course, here she is, that is, you said then that she was lying, after that she had a final falling out with you, and not only that,

but she was the one who complained to you, right, now everything has come together, that is , the appearance, she complained to you about the family and told you about the bad conditions in which the child lives, after that program she got angry at you, she heard what yulia said in that program, that oh you? the child, you will lose it, and she decided to add fuel to the fire, she took an innocent the girl, wound her up, yes, told her nonsense, well from your point of view, so that she would come to the studio and stir up this mess, so that you would turn from a witness into an accused here, and so that we would help take the child away from you, what a sly one, yes, let's call her, anna velichka here, okay, think, hello, so what? lenochka, i 've never been to visit you, yes, when was the last time you visited me, the last time was, well, about four months ago, four months for this, firstly, secondly, in this

year, wait, secondly, this year. i haven't seen a child on the street at all, thirdly, why doesn't she say on the program that you have three children, the first one was a girl, but she's an adult, roma, your third child died, and what does that have to do with me, that my child died, you're just a wife, why are you lying like that now, a child, that's already a thing of the past, listen, an angel incarnate, and you can't have children and you decided that i can't have children, i'm not an angel. we are all without sin, decided to drown me, because i said, but what does this have to do with it, what does this have to do with it on the program, you said, that you are walking with me on the street, greeting me normally, let's talk to us anyway, i'm not telling me that i should go punch you in the face or something, tell me please, as i understand it, you were guests before, yes, i came to visit, well, i often came, i

can't. say that every, well, every week there like that, well, once a month, maybe once every two months, well, like, he came, so what did you see, we are interested in the child, well, like , what did i see, the child, like, well, they turn on cartoons for him, he kind of constantly, well consider in the room, well, if they drank there, then in the kitchen, she has a sister there, gulnara, at feti, by the way, that's why you didn't say that gulnara also lives in this apartment, she doesn't live there now, yes, nail is in this two-room apartment, where the nephew lives, where you saw traces of this ghoul. they called me yesterday from sovetskaya, they saw a drunk ghoul, she was walking around the robes and bragging to some alcoholic that you flew away for a program and she lives there at your house, she doesn't live at our house, wait, what is this, what is this the story about tea, in which they have something i can't tell, but i can, wait, i can tell you, there is alexey, yes, well, he also lives at work, an acquaintance, he told me that he came to them to drink, they poured him moonshine juice so that he drank.

he sleeps well and gave him something to swallow, what happened in my presence, yes, god is your judge, the country, will they lie to you, what will you fool, is it you, that you were bribed, what the hell. i'm talking to him, he's still 6 years old, so that you never have children in your life, he doesn't want to talk to anyone, well, all the more so nine, he doesn't talk, he's in the yard , it's not even his will that he at least communicate there, i don't know, anna raised two topics, first, how many children do you have, i had three, one child is an adult, but where? near st. petersburg, you were

deprived of rights to him, you were deprived, but the child lived with his parents, well, with his father, of course, but you, not in poverty, nowhere, and how old was the child when you were deprived of parental rights? a year and 3 months, i had no parents, no one, i couldn't send him to kindergarten, and when i go to work, who will the child be with sit, it's too early for kindergarten, and what did you do, well, did i sit at home and have a child? well, and what if the neighbors just saw it, handed it over to guardianship, well, and since i don't work, i don't have to support, wait a second, you're on maternity leave sitting at home with a child, for what did we previously receive only 500 rubles for childcare, what are you going to buy 50 rubles for childcare, a second, you were deprived of it for what, for drinking, i don't know exactly for what they gave you time to reinstate your rights, six months, six months yes... you haven't

been reinstated, i haven't been reinstated, because that it was easier for her to live with her dad, because he works like that, and i circumstances in which the guardianship authorities abused the child, you left the baby for 2-3 days to go with your dad, you went to your father, no, well, i gave it to dad, i gave it to dad, i understand, now another question that arose here about what you bought with maternity capital, what she bought anya, i know, i haven’t seen this apartment, i know that she bought a one-room apartment in temeryazevo, well , i heard about this apartment, but since i’m there i don't know about any repairs or anything, it's not going well, does it even exist or not, i'm fine, len, who's living in the apartment on semiryaz now, no one, it's just closed now , you need a sink there, it's just gas, and why did you buy it for the child with maternity capital.

i can't say approximately now, well , approximately, well, i can't say now, the debt is already the cost of the apartment, well, no, of course, how is that not, how is that not, when was the last time you paid for this apartment, yes, i haven't paid for a long time, so, listen to me, all your fantasies that this apartment will go to the child, this is a fantasy, it will go, if now it is established that the debt is really colossal, they will simply take this apartment from you, they will not take the apartment from her.

please, i am your son, probably in a good way, it will not work out between us, but stay out of here, even friends, all business partners, if you want, i will be your friend, okay, how much money do you need so that you leave my family alone, money is not needed, juke premiere of the multi-part film, watch after the voice children, it was you who was looking for me, dmitry kiper, yes, well i knew that this would happen someday. you don't tell me only about men, that they fall in love. valentina titova is one of the most beautiful women of the soviet screen, she always gave the impression of a socialite, a woman who is surrounded by the care and love of her famous men, but it turns out that the impression

is deceptive, men have always been afraid of me, and my husbands had no influence on me, from someone else's husband's wife, how did basov react to your pregnancy, disappeared, who accompanied you in the maternity hospital, i don't know? assistants him, me in the maternity hospital everyone pitied. how valentina tetova left vladimir basov, and what the director wrote in the statement to the court. filed for alimony. why didn't you take the children with you? and where? just a mother sarcastically? yes, you want to ask me now, where did i put the money? confession of valentina titova: a cuckoo mother or a victim of love? can a beautiful woman or actress be happy at all? no one can stand it when a person hunts only for you. knife in hand exclusive with dmitry borisov premiere tomorrow on the first in the new season on the first, why are you taking a photo like on your passport? that's it, katya,

the main thing is to relax, relax, think about your sasha, katya, move in with me, and you say, let's break up, okay, i don't want to break up with you. here's a young father, congratulations, congratulations with all my heart, bone, bone, he sees it, let's have children, well, you wanted a child, a family, you think that anna is still capable of working, i vouch for her, girls, just don't swear, i think i missed a clue. how can you be so vindictive and petty? i fight for my own children for his wife, this is not a trifle, i offer you a deal, i do not want to take hands, in case of danger to bring together, a small gray mouse,

flying, i will arrest you for disrupting the operation, i'm going with you, thank you, no, no not toda, cipher, new episodes. from monday on the first. you, when you came to us, anna, i am turning to you, said that all her troubles all the problems, only because of the finuz, well because he really beats her, like sidorov's goat, when they get drunk, when they get drunk, and he starts to beat her, but lena's neighbors do not agree at all with her role as a victim, that's why, let's let's listen to our...

you're driving, and he's a runner, well , alcoholics go to them and drink, yes, there were plenty of them, this child runs around, all the drunks are lying here sleeping, they live at the expense of the children.

they are registered with the guardianship authorities, the guardianship authorities come to them all the time with inspections, if everything is as you say, anna, then the guardianship authorities should have taken the child away a long time ago, i don't know why this is happening, these are the guardianship authorities we have, i don't know where this information came from, that they are registered with the guardianship authorities, let's check, since we have problems with the guardianship authorities we talked. we don't have such a family on our records,

no signals from any of the juvenile affairs bodies, from educational institutions, from medical institutions, from citizens to the department of guardianship of guardianship over minors, have been received to date, i don't know such a family, so i came to clarify, we know this family. in one apartment, naturally there is a minor child there, we went out and looked, it was after our program that you came, that's it, and we didn't know before, there were no signals, there were none, no signals were received, she is clean, food there is food, i never warn the child.

listen, there were several reasons for putting you, there are different types of registration, yes, you could be put as a socially disadvantaged family, a socially dangerous family, a family that is in a difficult life situation, yes, but they think that 15 thousand rubles, which they pay not from their own pocket, but from ours, is complete happiness for the child, this is all that is needed, not the fact that the mother was deprived of parental

rights, the child, by the way, the youngest, died from, congenital heart defect, there was an operation, of course, that is, they tried to save him, they didn’t save him , yes, and not what the neighbors around are saying, and we hear about the joint, and about the point of bottling moonshine on the first floor, and about the fact that here is a witness sitting now and saying, the child is accustomed to a pacifier with sleeping pills, let’s call it that, yes, how can that be? and this despite the fact that the child stayed in the first grade for the second year, they advised it would be better to go through it again, and so you can, he says , come to the second grade, he says, well, maybe he’ll fail in second grade, she says, sometime with the child, it's called the illusory world of an alcoholic, she has her own picture, which she sacredly believes in, she lives in it, that's all, you tell me, do you ever do anything with the child at home, i do, what example? what examples, what in mathematics, examples, well, let's give any example

in mathematics, which one, who am i going to ask to solve now, well, i ask you, so you sit down with him to solve examples, what examples, what was the last problem you solved with him, a problem, no, well, we somehow didn't solve the problem, the book you read to him, i didn't read it, why, he's not really a fan, now let's do it this way, do you go for walks with him outside? well, not often, does dad walk with her in the park? i don't know, we'll have to ask him, let's ask him. fenos came to our program, well , naturally, not to justify how they raise their child, but to attack anna, who is taking revenge on his family. so our child is an alcoholic, anya,

why did you take a stand against our family? what about me? in the last program, in the last program, told the truth, that you're cheating, that you're lying, that you're a mess, what did you start, what are you doing this mess, i'm not making any mess, i told the truth, that you don't hit her, why are you after, i don't hit anyone, did you see, you 're standing by the candle, didn't he see that you 're lying, why is she not drinking, where did you see swinging, i've seen it more than once, fedya, i'm saying that i saw it, you could have at least taken a picture with the candle then.

lena, too, i took her hands now, she doesn't drink at all, doesn't drink at all, doesn't drink at all, tell me, please, here we are they tried to interrogate lena about this, now we will interrogate you, do you do anything with the child, when? of course i go for walks, sometimes with lena, well sometimes together, sometimes when he cooks for dinner, then at work, i say, i walk with him, i go out, what do you do at home with him, when you stay, we mostly go outside with him, well we take a ball with us, we have two soccer balls, somewhere he rides on this scooter sometimes, dad,

can i ride around the park here, and you hit the child, no, of course, he loves me, yes, even today while we were waiting, he says, i 'll lie down, he says, he loves me in general, and you know what he also told us, how he treats you and his mother, do you want to hear, we want to, we want to, tell me, and how do you live here with mom, with dad, it's very good, we eat, watch tv, relax, and mom and dad do something. all sorts of household chores, i love, well more, and is your mom kind? yes, but usually we can play, sometimes, dad usually doesn't play with me, with mom, with dad you do your homework, mom helped, dad, no, but mom

offends you, and dad, well dad is somehow bad sometimes, he can... shout, and mom, well sometimes too, when i do something wrong, she can too, they don't touch me, only when i go to the mug, well like that, where? well a little, they themselves swear, yes, but sometimes, when something is wrong, one of them does something, they can quarrel, hit each other, well they can not... hit themselves a little, well not a little, you think this is normal, that's what we saw in the state, you take care of his health in general, what is his picture in general, in terms of health, children are not mushrooms, they do not grow on their own, you need to take care of them, you know, hard, develop

them, treat them, make them healthy and so on, here god grant that you yourself become healthy in fact, you know, if you... no need, you know, we still have to introduce a medal for the fact that i do not drink for a month, or well, in your case, you do not drink, do not turn this into a virtue that you do not drink, this should be. elvira, you talked to the child, right? yes, i talked to the child, a very smart baby, but he is not there are enough parents, informality, in the form of food, shoes, clothes, it is all visible, that parents provide this to the child. he does not have enough emotional closeness, warmth, you know, this is a convenient child who was put behind cartoons, scored, does his own thing, he lives in his own world. will manifest, misunderstanding of himself, what he wants, will not

be able to find a profession in which he can realize himself, will not be able to adapt in the world, and most likely, in the future this is like a society, this needs to be either solved now, he needs a good psychologist, emotional, physical development and warmth, love of parents, informally, that parents are present in life, namely attention to the child, if all this is not...

voice children today on the first. oh, what have you done, ironed, so who will tie it now, you tied the tie yourself, with difficulty, but you tie it yourself, today i am pleased to congratulate my father, people's artist of russia, alexander mikhailov, on his eightieth birthday, i will never forget when he gathered his zemlyakov, says, men, come on, he says from ours here ours village, we'll do verkhobskoye so that we won't be ashamed, to take our friends, there is nothing more precious in life than a reliable person. all women are reliable, you will make us hopeless, and then take care, this is the same situation that lyudmila markina came up with, when

she dances in front of you at the bar, but you don't know, there is a lot cut out, here are the words i say, the soul warms up, shoulders drop, to be grateful, it is expensive, with love, only in this word, the further you live, the more you feel that there is nothing more beautiful than this, come on, come on! the lab podcast is on the first one today. for the eightieth anniversary of alexander mikhailov. a new hero has appeared, luxurious, tall, slender, fit, smart. when he comes out on stage, it's a standing ovation, and sometimes just a do not judge lest you be judged - my father told me at our first meeting, at which i, of course, bristled at the wolf cubs, how could you betray your mother, who gave you. all your life, why did you offend your mother, meet my wife, ksenia vyacheslavna, just a doorbell rang and a man came with a bag, can you stay,

i am so sincerely happy when we get together, i have very beautiful daughters, like any dad, it's early, you're going too far, of course, what are you saying, what are you saying, don't listen to him olya, you're a beauty, he sends me poems that, you know, are really very important there on... well, god will let me live to 90, i'll be happy. alexander mikhailov, cinema, love and doves, tomorrow on the first. true, on our side all the planned goals will be achieved. happy holiday, dear friends, happy reunification day. courage broke through on ours hours, and courage will not perish us, where

does the homeland begin, when your strength, bogatyska, in the direction of the battles have been going on for 4 days, and what can you do, here are your own, and what can you do, here are relatives, this commander, this officer will go down in the history of our great country as a hero, next to us is dava kombata, yes, this is his wife olga. rally concert. russia-donbass, novorossiya, together forever. on sunday on the first, i want to invite here

another, another great one. this is already vladislav, this is your spouse, as i understand it, yes, he generally believes that a child from childhood sees indecency in this apartment, that's what we'll ask him now, hello in the studio, hello, fedutka, wonderful father, well, what are you going to tell me, well, what are you going to tell me, you don't drink, and not like that, i went to see you a long time ago, when i was walking after your first program, there were a bunch of alcoholics there again. what a bunch of alcoholics, ordinary ones, i 'll tell you now a bunch, a bunch, i'm not talking to you, dog, i go in, there are a bunch of alcoholics there again, all drinking, this one is completely drunk and sleeps soundly, this neighbor who shows up on tv, the last one here this skinny guy, he started kicking the door , locked himself in there, i grabbed him, took a wrench, he jumped out for a knife, ran,

that was before that, i'm you, do you hear me drunk from the kitchen. you get him drunk, you get him drunk, and you walk around the horse-drawn carriages with ibrahim there, we always saw sanev with alexey, you, stop, stop, stop, you also told us about your sister, about finuz's sister, that according to you, she was screwing around with someone there, but i also go there somehow. watch like a child, he lived with some mower, do you remember him, denis, denis, lived with denis with some guy, this denis is sitting in a chair, and his sister is tumbling right in the open, and the most important thing is that i saw what the child was doing, playing with the vacuum cleaner, wait, wait, like this, turns on

the vacuum cleaner for him, gives it to him. go to the night tent for the child to buy something to ask nothing like that happened no of course how did it not happen if you are there drunk and don't remember anything it doesn't mean you don't need to maybe

call the child in the studio damn let's ask will you ever ask someone for something to eat? and i'll call you now child, the child needs to be taken away from you because you've gone crazy, without us, fortunately i decide who 's crazy and who's not, you have a certain degree of mental retardation, it's either congenital or you've brought yourself to it with long-term alcoholism, but the child miraculously didn't... i studied this, and i'll prove it now, and specialists will understand me, this is his mimosa-likeness, yes, well, very sensitive, uh, such, you could say, vulnerable constitution, and there is a symbol in fact - on the contrary, of a developed intelligence, these are the kind of children who

feel pain from the ordinary, ideal world, but...