>> welcome to ankle. here are the top stories. president obama is in russia right now with the g-20 summit but he's still trying to get congress on board for a military strike in syria. the president's national security adviser said he has been making phone calls to u.s. lawmakers while at the economic summit. he spoke to five of them yesterday. and vice president joe biden is briefing congressmen while the president is overseas and also worked the telephones to try to drum up support for a military strike in syria. we now know what caused the massive fire burning in yosemite national park. a hunter let an illegal fire get

out of control. no arrests have been made yet. the fire started augus august 17th destroyed 370 square miles, and several structures. walmart employees demanding a raise and better working conditions. three were arrested in new york when they tried to deliver a petition to a board member. "consider this" is up next and you can follow news www.aljazeera.com.

>> the bomb grows louder, the brutality of rebels and their terrorist connections. the humanitarian atrocities committed by president bashar al-assadout weigh the possibility that we could find ourselves supporting extremist groups. also what about muslims in america? the nypd has been secretly surveilling muslims in new york and around the world. have they gone too fo far or are they doing what they can to protect the city. and we know excess sugar leads to obesity, so where is there sugar quietly loaded in yogurt and flavored water. a lot of people are asking whom will we really help if we attack. at the g-20 summit in russia the

president shook hands with vladimir putin. president obama would like to win support from g-20 nations besides turkey, france, and saudi arabia who said they would more or less fall in line. he needs more support from congress where there is skepticism about military strike and opposition. >> i've always been concerned about the opposition. we don't know who they are, what they are, and we don't know what their intent is in terms of a future government. >> some reports claim that syrian extremist groups linked to al-qaida. a claim that john kerry tried to shoot down before the house on wednesday. >> there is a real moderate opposition that exists. i just don't agree that the majority are al-qaida and the bad guys. that's not true. there are about 70 to 100,000

oppositionists. somewhere 1 15% to 25% would ben one group in what we would deem to be bad guys. >> 15% to 25%. that's tens of thousands of al-qaida supporters or as secretary of state john kerry said, bad guys. we go to a syrian america who runs western media outreach for the free syrian army, the main moderate opposition rebels, he's also vice president for middle east operations support group for international ngo and then we have with us an author who has written extensively on the syrian opposition. there are a lot of americans who arwhofeel if we support the

opposition we'll be supporting al-qaida. there are many who said they did not sign up to become al-qaid al-qaida's air force or navy. how many of them are made up of the moderate groups like you represent or the more militant groups, many of which with open ties to al-qaida. >> look, thank you for having me. this question is really at the forefront of the policy debate in washington whether or not the regime will support al-qaida. what i've seen being on the ground speaking to syrians on a regular basis really we've got to separate reality. what they tell me there is no

place in syria for the extremist political and theological agenda that al-qaida and it's affiliates islamic state of iraq are trying to propagate. the good news here is that there are moderate elements in the army, and the umbrella group for which the overwhelming majority of the rebel fighters belong to. we've been seeing an increase in tension recently between the extremist groups and the moderate forces. so on one hand the extreme--there is this extremist concern in syria, though the message that many of the syrians and the rebel commanders that i've been speaking to that they've been trying to send to the west is empower us. we're the antidote to the

extremists. the only way to push back, form a beach head by empowering, moderate nationalist forces. >> you've looked into all these groups. you studied at extensively some of those al-qaida groups do hold territory, and there is a whole number of groups that form this the varied rebels in syria. you have the free syrian army, and then the syrian liberation front. thwhy don't you give us a break down of who is who. >> sure, there are large number of groups that make up the syrian opposition. as secretary kerry mentioned there are 100,000 fighters in the opposition, but these span hundreds.

the syrian liberation army are moderate islamists. the syrian islamic front is a syrian nationalists. and then more extremist groups like nusra affiliated with al-qaida and other extremist groups. between these groups you have a larger debate within syria, within the option the future of syria, the tactics that you use. you know, what kind of goals of this movement are. and you have groups like nusra who are an a affiliated with eastern syria bumping up with iraq, and then northern syria, which is why they have so many news coverage, they use the brutal tactics.

>> and they've been getting arms from their allies. we've been seeing shocking pictures throughout this terrible war. we saw new ones, front page of the "new york times." here we see a still that shows members of a militant group in the north of syria minutes before they executed seven soldiers from the regime who are lying there on the ground. a number of those soldiers appear to have been beaten before they were shot. and with incidents like that one, and you know, the al-qaida-backed groups that have had success on the battlefield, can you see where so many americans are reluctant to get involved with syria? >> first of all, i would like to make clear the supreme military council and syrian opposition coalition, the civilian opposition immediately and resolutely condemned this act by this independent group.

those actions from condemned by the option. and by the free syrian army leadership. now it is a concern, it absolutely is, there are--there is going to be a level of uncertain. it's gorilla warfare. that said we have to look at the brutality of the regime. while these acts were on the front page of the "new york times" were condemned, contemptible, and the assad regime again itself has been at the forefront of atrocities committed in syria today. >> we certainly showed the pictures of the chemical weapons attack, and oubai, president obama has threatened the missile strikes to punish for the sarin gas attack near damascus, now

it's being reported and considered tha that a larger atk could include bombers flown in from the u.s. in the strike force. is that what the syrian army and your allies want from president obama? >> the only way to end the slaughter and destruction in syria is to put a stop to assad's military regime. a decisive strike is necessary to neutralize his military, aforce who are pounding villages on a daily bases. if this does not happen, many believe that assad will use chemical weapons again if he feels emboldened. >> we've heard the extremist groups are not the majority. that's what you blinks and that's what oubai believes, but

russian president vladimir putin rejected that, and he was pretty unpleasant saying it. he said al-qaida is the main military echelon. he's lying and knows he is lying. it's sad. that's talking he's talking about secretary state kerry. as nasty as that was, what do you think the actual strength of those extremist groups is? if they're well funded and well supplied in arms, there have been reports they have gained ground. >> well, it's more sort of the

coordination of the national strategy that they have. one of the problems that they have in the opposition groups they've had they've been unsable to execute a larger national strategy. the groups affiliated with the syrian liberation front, they're out there to protect their homes. they're out there to protect their families. they're not really focused on a larger national strategy. the group of nusra has a very strong picture of what syria should look like. they have this larger messianic vision of what they want to be doing in syria. that visualization has helped them to advance the opposition in ways that the more moderate groups have not been able to, and they've had to sit back, because they're not coordinated that heavily with one another. >> let's talk about who is where, which group or alliance of groups dominates what part of

the country. part of the problem is they're pretty separate in some cases. in other cases they're really mixed in with each other. >> most of the fighting is happening in the north, and then along the major cities, damascus and allepo. you're seeing jabhat al-nusra linking up with their compatriots in al-qaida and iraq. and then in the kurdish areas, they're seeking the kurdish than the the falling of assad rejeep. in allepo you have this mix of different groups and the alliances that are made, th thee

groups will work together. >> what happens afterwards if we do bomb, and assad falls, are we going to have a civil war where you have people in different parts of the country going after each other? >> we're looking at two civil wars, the one against assad, and then the war within the opposition, the different groups fighting over what a future syria would look like. that's one of the big concerns that i think western officials and analysts have, what that looks like, and the strength that a lot of these extremist groups have against the more moderate group such as the free syrian army. that's troubling, and that's what you might see in the breakdown of the syrian state where you have smaller states replace it. >> oubai, do you want to address that? >> let's look at the hard facts on the ground.

the operator of damascus have made it clear and they're against al-qaida and the islamic state, the local councils in damascus and it's suburbs have said there is no room of the al-qaida state in a post assad syria. similarly goes to the north. the supreme military council subordinate battalions in the north there, is no love loss between them and aquite's affiliates in the north. as al-qaida expands its control there has been a level of push back, and that is absolutely something that has not necessarily been highlighted by many in the western media, and pundants.

and you have leaders who have condemned foreign fighters and have spoken out against sectarian revenge killing, drawing the ire of the islamic state. and lastly and most importantly at the end of the day you have two competing visions for a post assad syria. one that is led by the supreme council, and the civilian opposition, and the transnational foreign fighters supported by al-qaida and the islamic state. this is where western policymakers must focus their efforts on what comes next. we do have the moderate opposition. they're willing to work with those who are willing to work with them. most importantly they will be at the forefront of insuring that syria does not fall into the hands of al-qaida. and lastly, if i may add, what

putin's comments are disingenuous. it has been the syrian regime that has historically been in collusion with extremist groups, including al-qaida and iraq. the military regimes have a long, long standing of history with al-qaida and iraq and other groups. there is a level of di dis disingenuinety. >> we'll have to see what the western policymakers, their decisions over the next few days. oubai shahbanda, and ken sofer, thank you for coming on tonight. >> well, labeling mosques as

terrorist organizations but with 82% new yorkers of approving of nypd's efforts were they simply doing their duty. been and what do you think? hermela aragawi is fielding your questions. she'll bring them to us. you can follow us on twitter and facebook, we'll be right back.

>> next week marks 12 years since 9/11, and the city has not suffered another successful terrorist attack. 9/11 served as a call to action by the new york police department, and two pulitzer prize reporters watched closely

as the nypd formed their own not so mini c.i.a. to stop any threats. but tactics once again raise questions about how much privacy should be forsaken for safety. "enemies within: the secret spying unit." after 9/11, ray kelly comes to the new york police department to head it up again. one of the first things that came to mind he had to create an intelligence you want. why was there not an intelligence you want inside the nypd? what did he do once he returned to the police department? >> well, after ray kelly returned to the police department after 9/11, he decided he needed to revamp what was then and is known as the intelligence division, the new york intelligence division.

he went out and found himself a top c.i.a. officer, a guy by the name of david cohen. he said to david, come and rebuild this. he took a guy whose mission was to break the laws of other countries, and he put him in new york city to rebuild this intelligence division, and that's exactly what he did. >> and you guys raised the issue that it might not have been appropriate. because of the mindset of a c.i.a. officer to come into the law enforcement agency might not have been the best fit, but who would have been a good fit. >> we weren't even having this discussion. after 9/11, we're doing things as a country, as a city, this is unprecedented. bringing david cohen in, and then they brought in larry sánchez. >> he was the lie jaso liaison.

>> he's teaching people out to go out in muslim neighborhoods, and just listen and observe and write down their rhetoric, what people were talking about in the cafes. some of that stuff was what do people say about the state of the union dress? what does the president think abouthink--who do they think abt the president's foreign policy? what do they think about drone attacks. what do we think about america foreign policy. >> even though they went far into the surveillance, in reality this is a city traumatized by 9/11, it was horrific for people who lived there back then and those around the world. wasn't it appropriate to take heavy duty members? would it have been he negligence on the part of ray kelly's part not to? >> oh, without a doubt they needed to double these efforts, quadruple these efforts to ensure there wasn't a terrorist

attack. what the book raises are questions about what would this look like? and of course this went on for years until matt and i started peeling back-- >> started writing articles about it. >> right, two years ago. what we found is something that new yorkers can debate. >> one of the big debates is racial profiling and how far the police department went in going after muslim communities. one of the philosophical reasons i guess that you describe in the process of how they went about t they looked at mohammed alta, the one of the hijackers who flew one of the planes into the world trade center, how he went about preparing for his attack. they started going--he became a member of gems. he went to internet cafes. was it appropriate for the police department to follow that motto and infiltrate themselves

in those areas. >> they didn't have a playbook. let's look at what the 9/11 hijackers did and use them as the marks that we want to look for. but as we got to know more--we didn't know anything about al-qaeda after 9/11. after we found more there became a clear set that there is not necessarily one clear path that people take. if you look at these documents they're saying some terrorists went to muslim student associations. in some of these secret files they have the rosters of everybody at this studen muslimt association, their names, telephone numbers, cell phone numberses, addresses and in some cases pictures for just being in the muslim student association. >> they looked throughout the five boroughs and they described 28 indicators.

>> like religious schools. >> if you were syrian or egyptian descent or palestinian, the problem is these people are muslim-americans. they're americans. many of these people were raised and born and raised in brooklyn. they are as as american and you and me. >> you probably don't know, you're an indicator. >> oh? >> you, one of the things that they're looking for-- >> trust me, traveled-- >> are they watching al jazeera, and they would make a note. if there were people watching al jazeera or they weren't watchingage. >> i've been racially profiled in the past. i traveled in the middle east when i was younger and was stopped in cairo, tel aviv and paris. i understand the issue. i've been a victim of it myself. once you guys started writing your articles about the intensity and the extremes that the new york police department went to, there was a lot of anger in the muslim community. i want to listen to some of that.

>> it appears that the nypd was maintaining dos years on just a wide variety of people who had no link of criminality or terrorism, just simply because they were muslim. >> you're right, you don't really know whether the nypd went too far from a legal standpoint. >> right, and that's not--we're reporters. we're not prosecutors. we're not arguing whether this is illegal or not. you know, people can make that decision. this will be put in front of a federal judge, and a federal judge will decide this. what we wanted to do was let new yorkers know what the department was doing. obviously that once the muslim community found out they were upset. we were at a book signing in brooklyn, there is a heavy muslim presence out there, and they're very upset about this, and ray kelly doesn't care.

he simply doesn't care. >> let's talk about ray kelly. he has stridently defended the program. he called it his baby. there is "the third jihad." a muslim brotherhood having a take over in the u.s. and they secretly labeled mosques as a terrorist location and spying on those in the mosque without specific wrongdoing. >> we have an agreement authorized by a federal judge. we follow that agreement to the level or that stipulation, i should say, and it authorizes us to do a whole series of things, certainly investigations are part of it. we follow leads wherever they take us. we're not intimidated to where

that lead takes us, and we're doing that to protect the people of new york city. we've had 16 plots against new york, since september 11th, none of them have succeeded. >> he defends the legality of what they did, and he talks about the 16 plots had a have been averted. the reality is we have not been hit successfully since 9/11. do you think that this program had something to do with it? >> well, i mean, there are several parts of--there were several programs within the intelligence division. the demographics unit going out and gauging sentiments. >> they were called rakers. >> they were raking for information, looking for hot spots, signs of radicalization under testimony of the commanding officers, they admitted that they never generated a single lead. as you see over the 11 years that the intel division has

operated with these programs, very little to show for it. >> but at least deterred? >> well, i'll make a point about the deterrence. deterrence is if you know about it. these programs were meant to be kept secret. what are you diagnose to deter if it's secret. >> once you started writing about t it stops being secret. >> the other thing is that this idea that we haven't been attacked thus the programs are justified. that has been the argument for every government step taken, we haven't been attacked. but god for bid ar forbid we'red tomorrow, are they going to stop that? this is only one way. >> let's go to hermela aragawi. >> that, an article on the "christian science monitor" that was tweeted and retweeted a lot asked this question. with nsa and nypd under scrutiny

has tide turning survey surveil, what do you think? >> here we are 12 years after 9/11, i think americans are ready to have this debate. how much is too much? where is the line? the book came out at an interesting moment because i think snowden softened people up. if it was muslims, that's okay, that's where the threats are coming from, but suddenly we have the documents that wait a minute, the nsa is directin colg our phone records and keeping them in a box for five years. >> and a book that reads like a thriller, the pursuit of azzi, the man convicted of attempting to bomb the new york subway, the most significant plan of attack on new york since 9/11, and really the police department did nothing to help catch that guy. >> in the end the book we wrote

was this is a chase. this is 48 hours in new york city to stop an al-qaeda-trained bomber, someone who studied under the hand of one of osama bin laden's top deputies and set his sites on new york's subways. we took a look at what worked and what didn't work, and it was a pursuit. in the end it was not a perfect investigation, but the fbi in new york and washington working hand in glove with officials in denver, colorado, and with nypd detectives on the joint terrorism task force, they put it together and it worked in the end. we should be looking for things that work. and we should be looking at things that don't work, and then talk about why they didn't work and make it better. that's what public debate and public policy is all about. >> and certainly the balance between safety and privacy and racial profiling, important topics that we need to continue to discuss. thank you both for being here. best of luck with the book.

>> thank you. >> coming up we all know staying active good for your health. but is one activity in particular good for your wallet? we'll have our data dive next.

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self-esteem but to reference another reproductive question, what came first, the chicken or the egg? is it possible that successful people are likely to have more sex to begin with? studies show people who are more attractive are no more successfy and more likely to be having sex. attractive people will earn an average 3% to 4% more with someone with below average looks. that could mean $230,000 over a lifetime. even average looking workers could make more than a work thought to be unattractive. all this leads to the news that more than 300,000 attempts were made at england's house of parliaments to access pornographic website just this past year. it's unknown who was responsible, maybe they were just trying to get themselves in the mood to make 5% more on their paycheck. coming up, pope francis was

thought to be in the conservative mold of his predecessors, but is he taking a soft turn to the left, and how liberal can the head of the catholic church actually become?

>> consider this, the first south american and first jesuit to make the papacy. some think he marks a sharply liberal turn for the church. amongst the issues that have the conservatives in the church talking are his calls for

greatest care of the poor, his minimalist lifestyle and his call to gay people. joining us to discuss this from philadelphia, pennsylvania, is anthea butler, and via skype from vancouver, we're joined by jeffrey tucker, editor of the newly turncal movement. >> pope francis has put out tweets calling for peace in syria. he said, war, never again, never again war. on tuesday with utmost firmness i condemn the use of chemical weapons. on thursday, with all my strength i ask members of the congress not to close themselves

in. he reiterated his calls for peace. >> he also wrote a letter to vladimir putin and leaders attending the g20 this week to say the same thing. pope francis has been particularly aggressive and outspoken about this, do you think world leaders will pay attention to him? >> well, i think world leaders pay attention to popes in that they hear what they say, but they do what they want to do. so in other words, they recognize him a as a worldwide leader of a large church,

denomination, but at the same time i don't have much hope that these world leaders will pay attention to him any more than they've paid attention to other popes. having said that, however, what i do think is important in this particular case is that pope francis has been particularly try dent, and this is not just one call for spac for peace, ths several calls for peace, and he has asked for a day of fasting for syria, and i think that is important. >> some say he is distancing himself from conservatives. he named a new secretary of state that's the prime minister at the vatican, and that person has said that he, you know, mildly embraces what is considered left wing liberation theology, and that appointment ended the reign of pope benedict chief aide who had not prevented the ethical scandals going on in

the past few years in rome. jeffrey, does disappointment signify a real break with traditionalists and conservatives? >> i don't think it does. i think it underscores the priority of the election of this pope, which is not to just continue what pope benedict have, which is theological reconstruction, liturgical interests. francis has been charged with fixing up the image of the catholic church around the world. there has been unprecedented meltdown. we've had some of the worst. p.r. disasters with the catholic church in 500 years. not a lot was done under benedict to fix this, so what francis is do pursuing a different set of priorities. not that benedict would have been opposed to this, he was

just a different kind of pope. i don't think there is a turn to the left in any sense but a reshuffling of priorities. we desperately need evangelism, and that's what pope francis is contributing. >> the big pedophilia scandal with so many priests. pope francis said he was going to root it out and he proved that stance when he recalled the ambassador to the dominican republic as soon as they were informed that he was being accused of pedophilia. jeffrey, in the past every time one of these things came up, there was hi hesitations, some would say cover-ups. does this signal there they're going to be more proactive at the vatican? >> i'm sure and i don't know what this says about pope francis. you live and learn. there was too much caution on the past. a terrible price to patience and

a gigantic upheaval, and the reputation of the catholic church has suffered a calamitous decline, and something needed to be done. this is the main charge of francis. >> we lost anthea, but the comments that the pope made when he said if a person is gay and he seeks god, who am i to judge him. that changes the tone. >> you never know one minute to the next what what fun and interesting sound bite he's going give. but it does not signify a change in the catholic position, but what i did was give an incredibe remark that is very charming.

maybe it's a shift in the tone, and i think it's one that many, many people welcome, actually. >> talking about tone. he adopted the name st. francis of azissi. and he had modest living arrangements. he carries his own luggage. he meets with drug addicts and washes the feet of inmates. this attention to people, the charitable acts, to modesty is that what is making him tremendously popular? >> i think you're right, he's tremendously popular. i think it's his plain-speaking manner. but you have in this pope a more sort of plain speaking man of the people. you know, it's important to

remember that benedict also washed the feet of inmates. he's also--he said wonderful things about liberation theology. he was against war, and always opposed american imperialism, and so francis' statements about war and peace and the poor and liberation theology, all these things is not actually a contradiction, but it's a different approach. >> it's a significantly didn't approach. he has restricted conservative positions. he doesn't want peopling to back to things that vatican to change, and there does seem a greater opens of liberation theology, a preferential option for the poor, tentative theologists, and some people have described liberation theology as marxist, the vatican

newspapers has written and had an article that opened liberation theology. conservatives don't seem that happy with that, isn't that right? >> no, i think every statement pope francis has made about liberation theology is detailed in writings of benedict himself, no the marxism sense but he wanted liberation of all forms of slavery by the state or the church. >> you don't see great division between liberals and conservativism of the pope. >> the reason why peopl many conservatives are bothered by the shift that has occurred on pope francis has nothing to do with politics. it's that the shift in priorities from issues of, for example, liturgical matters that

pope francis focuses in on intensely, items very important to conservative catholics like me. those have taken a backseat to higher priorities that pope francis must deal with, which is dealing with this catastrophic meltdown that has occurred financially in a p.r. sense, and managercal sense that has occurred throughout the scandals. not just at th pedophilia, but e corruption in the church. it's a mistake not to deal with it when you can see it. that's what pope francis must do. so issues that are important to conservatives like me, it's not

a change left to right, it's just a reshuffling of the chur church. >> our apologies to anthe la who we lost. the rising sugar in places you might never expect. real money. victoria azarenko ç]

>> the recommended amount of sugar americans should have every day is 30 grams for women and 45 grams for men. yet the average american intake is 160 grams. that's about four times the recommended amount. no surprise then every year there are 1 point million americans diagnosed with diabetes. and it's predicted that 1 in 3 3 american adult also have diabetes. what can we do to take better care of our help, the author of the "sugar has 56 names: a shopper's guide." thank you for joining us. most americans are consuming all this sugar, but you're saying we're unaware of it because the sugar is hiding. when we look at the labels we recognize names like fructose

and sucrose. you say there are 56 different names for sugar. is this why we're eating way too much of it without knowing it's there? >> there are many reasons why we're eating too much much it. the main reason we're eating too much of it is because the food industry wants us to. when they took the fat out of it, they had to make it taste palatable. because food without fat tastes like cardboard. there are many ways they're hiding what they're doing. on the labels they say total sugars, not added sugars. in 1990, the nutrition labeling and education act which gave us the food label, the nutrition facts label, the industry went to the food and drug administration and said if we told our customers how much

sugar we put in our food our competitors could copy our recipes. and the fda said oh, okay. >> you bring up the low-fat thing and they might have more calories. >> absolutely. look at snackwells, which was worse for you, the fat or the sugar? answer, without question, the sugar is way worse. >> and again, many of these names fool people. they put agave, cane sugar, honey, maple sugar. people believe those are healt healthier than regular sugars. you don't believe that. you believe that sugars are all the same. >> it's not the vehicle be it's the payload that matters. payload is the sweet molecule that makes sugar worth eating, it's addictive, and it's

fructose. it's not glucose. glucose is necessary for life. glucose is uninteresting. fructose, we go out and seek. this is why we're sugar addicted, and why we are consuming it with abandon. the bottom line is it's bad for us. it actually causes liver fat. it causes insulin resistence and it's the proximate cause of diabetes worldwide. there was a report that there are 114 million diabetessics in china because they've adopted the western diet for ease and for price. >> it's getting worse. we have 25.8 million americans that have it. and in your book you say we have assigned the safety of our food supply to the fda. it's their job to keep us from substances that might harm us,

ie toxic foods. you consider sugar to be toxic. and it was written in the medical journal that nothing in the bio chemistry suggests that sugar is a toxin. and a leading researcher on the fructose in metabolism offered a book called "the sugar fix." he wrote we shouldn't tell people that sugar is toxic. what do you tell them? >> let's first talk about dr. johnson, who i have enormous respect for and he has tremendous work in this field. he made the statement we should cut our consumption back. everyone who is in this field, everyone believes that we need to cut our sugar consumption back, and i completely agree. a little is okay. and a lot is not. it's just like alcohol. now, there are 20% of americans

who are alcoholic-addicted. the other 80% can consume small amounts, and have no problem whatsoever. for those people that's fine. and there's no problem. the question is what happens when you overdose? we know what the negative consequences of excess alcohol consumption are, so we regulate it because it's both toxic and addictive. sugar follows the i assume same. the bottom line we as you said in the opening piece, we are consuming triple to quadruple the recommended amount, and that is what makes it a toxin. it is a toxin in high dose. >> we have a quick question from social media. let's go to hermela aragawi. >> what are foods that a lot of people might eat that have the

added sugar that we might suspect? >> the slam dunk is yogurt. many people think yogurt is healthy. how many grams of sugar are in plain yogurt? seven, seven grams of sugar in a planplain yogurt. how much in a pomegranate yogurt? 19. are you okay with that? the bottom line is yogurt is occupying the health space. >> unfortunately, we've got to interrupt you because we're up against the end of the show. there are so many foods and drinks and juices that have enormous amounts of sugar and people should go to your book and read about it because there are hidden sugars in all sorts of food. we thank you for being on with us. the show is over. please go to our website and join in the conversation.

we'll see you next time.