this is al jazeera america live from noshgdz new york city. we have a look at the top stories. the government is now in day three of a partial shutdown. talks between president obama and congressional leaders at the white house ended in a stalemate last night. the nation is edging closer to the october 17th debt ceiling deadline. a search for survivors is under way after a boat full of people caught fire and capsized off the coast of italy leaving as many as 92 dead. the boat was carrying african migrants, and officials say today's accident may have been involved human trafficking. secretary of state john kerry opened the door for diplomacy with north korea saying the u.s. is open to negotiations, but only if those

talks begin with a discussion on the north's nuclear program. the obama administration is scrambling today to add computer serves to add high demand on the new insurance marketplace. they say healthcare.gov that serves 36 states is getting 4.7 million visitors a day. that high volume is slowing the site down. and texas state governor senator wendy davis will announce her plans to run for governor today. she gained national attention for an 11-hour filibuster against abortion restrictions in texas. those are the headlines.

800,000 government wo workers are at home. the -p. are we getting any closer to a deal? >> also google is being teaken to court after. >>ing on e-mails sent through its service. how concerned should you be that your e-mails are being read? and news that author tom clancy has died. spy novels have changed. we'll be join bid our best selling spy novels and the woman who discovered clancy. welcome to "consider this" we begin the ongoing government shut down. we warne warned that we are in trouble. we met with leaders late wednesday but minority leader was the only one using the word hospita optimistic. republicans have be gown fight other republicans. the shut down is being helt well beyond washington, d.c.

>> i don't understand what it reallely means. >> reporter: workers are shut at the parks and museums . >> meanwhile, james, the director of national intelligence warned to shut down its security. >> it seriously damages all ability to protect the safety and security of its nation. >> reporter: 70% of the intelligence work force have been furloughed. world war ii veteran offered government. >> they need to get together and to solve their problems just like a family. >> reporter: president obama and congressional leaders did hold talks early wednesday evening for the first time since the shut down began but they end it without a deal. house speak ser john boehner described it as late resolutions. >> it's times like this the american people start their leaders and come together to try

to find a way to resolve their differences. the president reiterated one more time tonight that he will not negotiate. we've got to -- >> reporter: nancy pelosi complained the republicans want act. >> it's not going to happen and that's not what our constitution had in mind. >> reporter: there's also the question whether the republican is breaking done. somehow the republicans met with boehner twice on wednesday and lobbied him and the shut down while new york republican says there's as many as 100 other republicans ready to make the stalemate. a form congress from michigan who became the most directors and in the reagan administration and is also the author of the great information and the corruption.

we saw a bunch in washington and the congressman and there's five on capitol hill and this is a serious matter but on the other hand, the chicken little of washington who are running around clapping by the hour as exaggerated. >> it hasn't happened in a long time. also, we have to remember much of the government is exempted from the shut down. we have 3.5 people on the government payroll. they are on the job doing their assumptions and national security and border patrol and air traffic control, the tsa -- they are losing $300 million-dollars a day and not drawing a paycheck. >> that number ser made up. the larger

point is and our physical machinery is broken. they haven't passed one appropriations bill. we even had a budget which stets program terse and framework for four or five years. take it seriously the obligation for the framework. >> and we have what makes sense. >> how are we going get to the full budget? >> first of all, we stopped exsang rated what's going to happen. i saw obama strongly here when he says we are going to default on the debt, that is throeut -- it's -- it will not happen after october 17th because there is still -- >> i want to get this.

>> you bring up the president. let's talk act what he's saying tonight and after this meeting at the white house. he eup cyst there's not going to be any negotiation kupbless there's a clean bill without any reaction to obamacare. >> i heard from you and even mockery sometimes. it gives the impression that you think that your republican opponents are either craven or stupid or nuts. >> i have bent over backwards to work with the republican party. if john boehner, the speaker of the house, puts a bill on the floor to reopen the government at current funding levels so that we can then negotiate on a real budget that allows us the to stop governing from crisis to crisis it will pass. the only thing that's stopping is the job that pwaeurpb right now has not oh been willing to say no to the fraction of the republican party but along will burn the house down because of

an obsession over my health care initiative. >> first, the personal side. we have both sides mocking each other. how are you going to be hit with just any kind of deal? >> if that's going to be atmosphere. >> it's going to be tough. we need to set fact to fiction. the fact is, we will not see the government shut down because it keeps coming here and $250 billion a month. >> we won't default. >> that's right. they don't last that long. what's interesting -- we will always make our interest payments. social security payments -- we will always make them. but the white house does not want to acknowledge is that we have the power to allocate to set priority to decide what is

going to be funded and what isn't oh out of the revenue available while the congress and the congress is working on a permanent solution to our physical problem and addressing the obamacare saying i believe it's a huge disaster. let's talk about pw-pl and obamacare and what the president just said there. >> he said a fraction of the party is willing to burn the house down. you hit the's not a bad thing? >> u i think because the machine so broken, they have no choice but to use the opportunity on the revolution or the -- to extract and get some kind of dethey in the emil implementation of a feel and a bill that passed in the last 80 years that was rammed through congress on a party line vote that will have a hemorrhage once it gets started. i e believe the republican tea

party is right in booing whatever is necessary to stop this before it starts because never, even though the american people are so strongly against this government shut down and take it. the republican party is to have true choices for the public. the public don't like to have a shut this down. on the other hand i don't think they will have a massive entitlement that will have trillions more on what is suggested. care. that's the view of the tea party republicans and the republicans have to decide. if the public decides they would rather have short run relief and have the government run and can kick the can down road -- they can make that decision to the house with all the kids out and get a democratic government but if there is concern as i think they are about the -- it's about the obamacare which i believe is a huge reckless debt, then, the choice.

>> when you talk about that -- it the ensuring a lot of people that are not ensured right now and they do constantly bring up issue that we have had more people on food stamps now than ever before and more people are getting disability in far larger numbers than one in three americans is now under some sort of entitlement program but you look at the germ his of the world where everybody is under entitlement before. why can't the u.s. afford one? >> what sit the high tkaoeurbtss socialism for the insureser. it's capitalism for the provider. rather than having any control, you will have the corrupt kaplt ao*ism and where doctors and pharmaceutical companies and wheelchair manufactures are in washington lobbying for their

little piece oh of the pie and we're going to end up with ap pwaour kraeubgt system that a work. >> are you a chicken little on what the cost is going to be. >> are you concerned that this will cost all that money and we will fiend ourself in a situation that resembles resembles grief. >> we have a temporary rest but the deficit an a revenue from the fiscal cliff and were five years in to a recovery. so we are just courting fiscal disaster over the last 10 or 12 years. the debt is exposed. you said that a week ago. >> on the other hand with the sequester in place, we are

seeing the deficit go down and -- >> a tiny amount. >> it will scare the living daylights out of everybody. >> it's half of what it was in 2009 which was far worse than it had ever been. >> you have to remember that the cyclele has not been abolished. there will be another recession and another economic decline and during the deficit will sore again even largeer than $1.5 trillion that we had before. it's never happened in history. so therefore, we are not prepared to deal with the shocks that are coming. baby boom retirement, some kind of world crisis, another recession here. none of this can can be absorbed by what we have in place. snooze we move forward toward our 10% and the supposedly

debt ceiling crisis that we won't be able to pay our debts. we saw last year what happened. >> it it was last minute our credit rating got taken down. if thanens again, will that. worse than obamacare? you see interest rates go. >> our credit is terrible anyway because we have this deficit and we have a the physical process that's broken. >> if the ratinging agencies were honest and the same people that put the sub prime coming and the houseing the collapse coming, i'm talkinging about s&p. we don't deserve aa. when you look at the fiasco going on down there. mayhem and when you look at the total act of physical discipline. reform. >> you actually think that one of the problems that the tax is high.

>> it's a little bit of both and i also think that the success establishments -- >> i call it the machine is way too big. in the world that we live in today, we do not need $650 billion-dollars. it is utterly not necessary and it taught to be cut back dramatically. military investment and conflicts, a jobs program. >> you must not be very pop pew popular amongst your fellow republicans. it's time to start figuring out some way. what you see happening? >> peter king is a great spokesman for the country that has his sight. and secondly for whatever wall street wants done. the tea party republicans say the heck with wall street. they say we need to get our physical house in order.

we cannot let o obamacare stop. we will cause the crisis because the pain that we're going to go through now will be far better otherwise. >> it will cause some serious long run. if the country goes through that and if people see their mortgage rates go up or if there's a dedetauldefault in the debt. there's serious pain that people will not accept. >> i believe -- they will kick the can. . >> the deficit will be far better than it was today

. the great main street of the middle class and they are being punished. wall street is speculating its way through highs and the -- that the trael economy is in very bad shape. the mayhem that u you see down there today is a taste of what i think the the new normal. unfortunately, for years come. >> i hope you're wrong. good to see you. up next is google's free e-mail service breaking the law. what you think our social media producer is fielding your questions. please join the conversation on twitter on aj consider this and

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g mail is also something one of two privacy lawsuits that google is fighting in federal court. in the first google is accused of slighting federal and state wiretap laws by scanning e-mails looking for personal information that is then used to generate targeted ads and services. the second suit stems through large amounts of personal data that google secretly took from home computer networks as its street view karbs maps and photographs streets in 30 countries around the world. tkpwaobl has fought unsuccessfully to have the suits dismissed. >> the project director for consumer warpbl consumer watch dog group. great to have you both with us.

i think over last few years, google is demonstrating *red itself for something as a privacy violator. i think in both of the cases, there were decision, one by an appellate decision that wiretap laws were being possibly violated and in a g-mail suit the judge said the same thing. >> basically, what they are doing, you explain this better than i am. they are scanning in an automatted way. they are scanning e-mails that people send and they are picking up key words for example, my son plays tennis and all of a sunday, i remember a couple years ago, i am getting all tennis-related ads. that. >> it wes one thing to scan an e-mail, to see and check whether

there are viruses there or malwar. google depositing much more and not only used to target ad bus build profiles on individual users. they are doing this without most people's understanding and permission and consent. >> don't most e-mail services make money in that way? >> well, it's something my e-mail providers right now. yahoo! and google do have e-mails in the systems but some like microsoft with its outlet system do not and microsoft has helped out reisn'tl out resent s advertisement campaigns. >> well, it content

s they are pointed playing and g-mail kwraoeurs hav usershave not con sented in this way. >> it's how the communications will be interrupted. >> google says we use their product, their e-mails will be mine for consent. here's the quote:

>> i think part of the problem is that you're exactly right. they very, very vague on what it is they are actually doing. if they were up front about it. that might have solved the problem for more g-mail users and g-mail addresses. it doesn't sto*fl problem for somebody who sends from another e-mail system. i agree that google can intercept my personal messages. >> it's not just the e-mail that i'm sending as the g-mail user, it's what i'm receiving that's also being scanned. a scan is what you do to check and see whether there's a virus. and it's also perfectly sensible to figure

out from a meta data where you're supposed to deliver the e-mail . but to deliver the consent is an invasion of privacy. some people are willing to give that up in exchange for free e-mail, perhaps there's an explicit information on what's going on that might be acceptible but google has never come clean. we have a question. >> thank, the viewer asks how can g-mail wiretap a series that they offer and that we voluntarily sign up for? >> wiretaping under the law is involved in intercepting the messages. they were trying to suggest in their motion for dismissal that all this was part of a normal ordinary business practice. the judge found that wasn't that

the enter accept that they are doing is not a part of passing on the e-mail message. and again the other aspect of this was consent. now what the judge also said was that she did not think that the average user had given consent because google hadn't explained what it was doing. that's the heart of the case. she said okay and in that circumstance they can go forward with the class-action suit. fall. >> john brings up the ordinary business practices which goes back to a law that was passed in 1986. while all this became -- a lot years. is part of the problem that the law hasn't kept up w-p reality? >> yes.

judges are called on how an e-mail comes to play. how it is determined is that congress does not intend for e-mail providers like tkpwaog toll have a leeway in the course of its ordinary business practices. so, while google is arguing that standing e-mail to help sell ads is falls under ordinary business practices, the judge finds that it's tranc transmitting e-mail. >> it is a little different argument there. >> it would radio, transmissions and the broadcasts were readily available to the ordinary people

and the judges thought that true. >> what happens that google ends up losing these lawsuits. >> well, some think that e-mail providers may have to change the services that they offer users because automatic processing is used not only the to help sell ads but to also allow users in their inbox and messages. one bill is that google could be on the hook on millions of dollars and loss of legal fees. >> it becomes certified as a class-action lawsuit the tpaoeupbg could be enormous it could be in the billions. >> well, people who correspond with that. >> john t the final questions how you compare what google is doing in the e-mail scanning and

data mining to what the national security agency did with all the meta data that it got about phone calls? google has it. >> how much worse is it if they already have the e-mails themselfs. why is that any worse at all? >> the reasons -- one of the reasons is that there's a possibility of access to that. it's what was going on with the nsa. that's very troublesome. >> a lot of privacy issues these days to think about john and julia. i really appreciate you taking the time to joining us night and discuss this. >> thank you.

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>> al jazeera america, there's more to it. stpaoe he may. best known for the 1984 novel the hadn't for red october which sold for 5 million copies and stand alec baldwin for film version . evolution. >> so, just how has the genra changed? we will ask her. she discovered clancy in the early 80s. he is also the founder and principal of the governor of the agency and joins us now from washington, d.c. and he is the new york times

best sell author who also serveed is more than 20 years in the u.s. army and a special services with colonel. he joins us from mount pleasant, north carolina. i know you were obviously close to him as his first agent. what is tom plancy's lasting impact? what was so different about the hunt for red october when he picked it up from any other thing that you read from that time? >> i think what clancy was able to do that he knew and who really has the -- he's able to have technology in to his story in a very seamless way and a way that he will read non-fiction books and non-fiction and all of a sunday, there were all these

interesting things that he had discovered. a lot had access to class tpaoeu classifiedinformation and he apa large male audience an audience. that was the new thing he did and really launched the whole new genre. >> in his first two novels, he still followed the traditional cold war set up. october and we're still very u.s. against russia. >> right. >> you knew -- or at least clancy sreutsd your unit at one -- visited your unit at one point. i know you talked about him inspiring him to wright. he really brought the military to light with incredible detail. some people felt it was too much detail. it also really -- it's just incredible depth.

what did he change from your perspective? >> i think i agree. the first thing he had was he had the people in the books but he brought technology became a character in the book. >> he came around the id to research the danger and i read all the books before that and marines. that was the first time he directed his research and in covert operations. we really enjoyed that. that was in with the characters and that's what he champions. >> then he called "red october" the perfect yarn and also became an insider. a writer that was invited to washington to speak to government officials. one in his later books, somewhat predicted 9/11 because he had an airplane crashing in to*us capitol.

how did those ties play in the novel? >> well, i know the hunt for red october. he was great for having relationships and a network of people and will share information and by that, i don't mean classified information but when he did the hunt for red october he had a lot that impacted -- and they would discuss this thing. it's putting things together and making educated guesses and for most of the time he was absolutely correct. i think he had a real knack for putting his finger on what was going to be the next big issue. i think he himself once said it was spooky how he was able to predict what was going to be happening. obviously some of that came from all these relationships he had.

.ing able to fortell what was going to be next. >> as we said, the red okay and red storm rising and the cold war kind of novel but then he started just as the cold war started ending, he switched gears and started dealing with columbia and the drug wars. so, he saw the change and began to move away from the cold war traditional spy now. >> he did. >> he was in front of 9/11 itself. he's the one guy that everybody recognized his name. i say like tom clancy. o yeah. i understand. video games, to movies, to books. he is the guy who is in the forfront of all of the that. >> the spy no srels were trying to find their ground about what the subject was going war. >> he

foresaw9/11 and his stphroels als novels changed after 9/11 as a result of what happened there. >> yes. so what was the question? >> he then focused after 9/11, terrorism became more of a focus. >> right. question. >> thanks. brad, he said on twitter, wants to know what makes a great spy novel? >> i think a lot t the characters themselves are made. you have to have -- you have to embrace the characters and there there. the truth of the matter the from

a post 9/11, there's always been a threat it just changed. tom clancy has the ability to find that change. the characters for me, really come to life. >> you have seen a real impact on his work on some of this, too and shows like homeland and 24. >> yeah. >> we all read -- we all say we are ahead of the headlines, a lot of times he was. we are all guessing and homeland in 24 this, we're all trying to capture that combination with jack mixed with all the technology. the one thing about tom clancy he had was technology is boomed since he wrote his book and it was human game. espionage. >> it's becoming a bigger force

than he has dealt with throughout his book. the books of his that was made in more than $788 million-dollars world wide. not bad far guy you only gave $5,000 for the red october. and we have another film coming in christmas. jack ryan shadow i. how was spy novels with that success and so many authors the may be writing with that big screen in mind? >> yeah that's a very interesting question. when i think "hunt for red october" it was -- i think a lot were and he also did -- he had strong characters and followed jack ryan all the way through and some of the other characters

and so -- it's hard to say. they are writing more and i don't know something that i noticed now and i know the agency can come through. the they do have an eye on film whether we do that consciously or not i'm not sure but it works. >> do you have an eye on it in. >> actually, i don't. >> the hollywood has come back. it would be great if you did. you have to love it. >> i can only imagine what it must be like for an author to

lose control and that has put so much in to. >> well, i know most alec baldwin playing jack ryan and i assume he likes harrison ford. >> that's how we do it, gladly. everybody who has read my book, it could be a conflict either way. there's a lot to both of you in different ways.

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>> and it's good news that after how hard the construction industry got hit during the recession, things are starting to get a little better. remember, it was just five years ago that our economy was in a freefall, businesses were shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs every single month, and the recession ultimately cost millions of americans their jobs, homes and savings and

everything they worked hard to build. today over the last three and a half years our businesses have added 7.5 million new jobs. our deficits are falling. our housing market is healing, which means construction is improving. manufacturing is growing. the auto industry is back. america's on pace to become the number one energy producer in the world this year. more small businesses have gotten loans so they can groy and hire just like m.louise did. that's part of what a lowelowed

this company to grow. we're making steady progress, and the reason i'm here is we can't afford to threaten that progress right now. right now hundreds of thousands of americans, hard-working americans suddenly aren't receive their paycheck. right now they're worrying about missing their rent or mortgage or even making ends meet. we can all the relate to that. imagine if suddenly you weren't sure whether you were going to get your next paycheck. with all the bills that might be mounting up. well, that's what's happening right now to hundreds of thousands of americans across the country. companies like this one worry that their businesses are going to be disrupted because, obviously, particularly in an area like maryland and virginia, where there are a lot of federal workers, you don't know how that's going to impact the

economy. veterans, seniors, women, they're all worrying that the services they depend on will be disrupted, too. and the worst part is this time it's not because of a once-in-a-lifetime recession. this isn't happening because of some financial crisis. it's happening because of a reckless republican shutdown in washington. now, we've all seen the offices locked down, the monuments closed. we've heard about services denied. we've heard about benefits that are delayed. but the impacts of the shutdown go way beyond those things that

you're seeing on television. those hundreds of thousands of americans, a lot of whom live around her, don't know when they're going to get their next paycheck, and that means stores and restaurants around here don't know if they'll have as many customers. across the country you've got farmers in rural areas and small business owners who deserve a loan, but they're being left in the lurch right now. they might have an application pending as we speak, but there's no one in the office to process the loan. the sba gives a billion dollars of loans a month to small businesses. a billion dollars a month goes to small businesses all across the country. right now there's nobody there to process it. veterans who deserve our support are getting less help.

little kids who deserve a head start having sent home from the safe places where they learn and grow every single day. it makes no sense. the american people elected their representatives to make their lives easier, not harder. there's one way out of this reckless and damaging shutdown. congress has to pass a budget that funds our government with no partisan strings attached. now, i want everybody to understand what's happened, because sometimes when this gets reported on, everybody kind of thinks, well, you know, both sides are just squabbling. democrats and republicans are always arguing, so neither side's behaving properly. i want everyone to understand what's happened here.

the republicans passed a temporary budget for two months at a funding level that we as democrats think is way too low because we're not providing help for more small businesses, doing more for early childhood education, doing more to rebuild the infrastructure. we said, okay, while we're still trying to figure out this budget, we're prepared to go ahead and take the republican budget levels that they poeropod so the senate passed that with no strings attached. it had very little that the democrats wanted, but we said, let's go ahead and just make sure that other people aren't hurt while negotiations are still taking place. so that's already passed the senate. we know there are enough republicans and democrats to vote in the house of

representatives for the same thing. i want everybody to understand this. there are enough republicans and democrats in the house of representatives today that if the speaker of the house, john boehner, simply let the bill get on the floor for an up or down vote, every congressman could vote their conscience. the shutdown would end today. the only thing that is keeping the government shut down, the only thing preventing people from going back to work and basic research starting back up and farmers and small business owners getting their loans, the only thing that's preventing all that from happening right now today in the next five minutes is that speaker john boehner won't even let the bill get a yes or no vote because he doesn't want to anger the extremists in his party. that's all. that's what this whole thing is

about. we've heard a lot about professional republicans for the past several days saying they don't want the shutdown. there's a simple way to prove it. send the bill to the floor. let everybody vote. it will pass. send me the bill. i will sign it. the shutdown will be over, and we can get back to the business of governing and helping the american people. it could happen in the next half hour. national parks, monuments, offices would all re-open immediately. benefits and services would resume again. hundreds of thousands of dedicated public servants who were worrying about whether they could pay the mortgage or pay the car note, they'd start going back to work right away.