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consider this, with such a huge illegal business, how do they out smart the dea for two and a half years? why is a generation of interpreters who risk their lives in danger of being left behind. we will hear from one of the men who fears for his life. is this man the mexican version of tyler perry? his new film is breaking box office records in the u.s. can he and perry be changing the way hollywood does business? >> hello, welcome to "consider this." he has become the face of the dark side of the internet. a dark side that is al jazeera's, i just can't believe myself today. hello, welcome to "consider

this" he has become the face of the dark side of the internet. a dark side that is al jazeera's courtney keely reports includes drugs, child pornography and hit then all for sale and nearly impossible to track. >> i feel like the world is intphraougs foenflux for sure. >> i'm fascinateed to know how it all plays off. ulbrich was the mastermind behind the world's biggest online drug bizarre. he was arrested at a library on san francisco tuesday the and charged him with narcotics trafficking, money laundering as well as attempted this murder. the site closed an endless variety of drugs including marijuana, cocaine, meth and lsd. ulbrich under the alias taken

from the movie "princess bride" over saw the business which generated $$1.2 millions. according to court documents, he twice tried to hire murders online. in one case, the hit men was an under cover fbi agent who sent back fake fo photos as proof it' unclear if the second took place. all had to be payed with bit coins. new york senator claimed credit for bringing the web-site to the fbi's attention. >> he was dream for drug users because he was very technically adapt and able to hide both the web-site that he put together and the actual sales of illegal drugs that the drug sellers would make on his week site.

>> when asked in a you tube video where he wanted to be in 20 years. he had this reply snipe want to have a substantial deposit on the future of humanity. >> reporter: his next court appearance is scheduled for friday. >> joining me from the pittsburgh is assistant from computer edg edge engineering. >> thank you for joining us. the big question this guy has not been convicted. question is if he did everything he's accused of, how did he pull it off? according to the fbi between february of 201 is and last july, he had 950,000 registered users. it logged $1.2 million repbl sterregistered users.

all this took place on the internet in a not so easy to navigate area that's the deep web that you need special software to access. how does that work? >> so, one of the key elements is the youth has a web browseer. you want to contact the silk road but don't want anybody to know that you're doing it or don't want them to know who you are. there's a technical technique called unrouteing that allows you to do this anonymous web browseing. so you do this anonymous web browseing and, you can't actually use your credit cards, you have another step which are called bit coins.

you use those bit coins to this online currency and that keeps your transaction secret. >> it's a digital online currency and the main reason why they hard to trace is they are the product of a network. there is no centralizeed mint. there is no centralizeed the bank that is issues bit coins. instead they agree on the transactions that are taking place.

given that was accessible, michael, how did this manage to not be found by the dea especially given those numbers. the numbers of dollars going through here and the number of people using this site? >> well, i guess you could chop it up top good technology. is that all it's about? is it just so hard to trace these transactions? >> well, when you're using the network and using bitcoin as a payment mechanism you're making it harder for law enforcement to to trace your can actions. that.ing said, most of those

goods were shaped through po*ele postal services it's not impossible to find out where it was going. even if the individual transactions were the difficult we were talking about a web-site the dealing with a million user, a million transaction t more than a billion dollars of all these numbers are to be believed and look at this, silk road oh may be gone but other online competitors. one of our producers went online, sat down on his computer and showed us how it's done. he went to the project site. he found a site where anyone can buy the marijuana that's out

there. given what happened, isn't it surprising that sites like this the are still up and running. >> michael? i guess there's a stern demand for these things. the technology is there. how is it not possible for federal authorities to shut these sites down so that people can't just go online and basically a drug super market and order whatever they want? >> well, you're making a very

good point and we don't completely know how the fbi actually managed to get access to the web-site itself. we don't know if they used much more traditional the methods. >> that is one of the questions. did he get caught because of mistakes he made online or because of mistakes he made off line. earlier he had nine false ids with his picture on them that were delivered to his home and said anyone can do oh the same by using technology to log on to the web-site and done a bunch of anonymous interviews. is that what did him in? >> if you read the fbi affidavit, those are the things

that they say as aiding them in identifying as the web-site. if the nsa has a secret way of knowing, it may no not have an interest. it's tough to listen to this guy assuming he's guilty of what he's accused of and preaching about these things. he was basically selling drugs. we don't want to make any general statement but is that philosophy part of the dna?

>> they took an extreme approach by saying your body can can put whatever you want in it and no one should be able to regulate that. should law enforcement insist on more regulation, more scrutiny of the deep web? >> i think you have to to consider for balance. in the last ten years, tech nothing has really reduced the amount of privacy that we had in what the government is doing.

it could be the key of restoreing the executions and privacy and what they expect from the competition. i think we shouldn't e immediately be suspicious techniques. it's very useful and to use it when we vote. journalists need their sources. is the skreut an scrutiny possi? >> well the -- it's definitely -- it is a tool that assists people in raising the

kind of web-site but if you go back again to the indictment to the complaint, what you realize is that most of what the soupbt of this guy seems to have come from just very good regular work. so, the question is, then, do we really need to think about regulating those things when they actually put a stop to the kind of activities. >> he's accused of twice hiring or trying to hire hitmen. the first to time to kill an employee. and he feared would squeal and the second time to kill someone who was threatening to spill the name of thousands of clients. the first time he contacted someone who turned out to be an undercover agent. that agent claimed he had done the job and reported according to the indictment

he allegedly paid $80 for that hit. a lot of people are calling him the real life -- the anti-hero from "breaking bad." >> i i think in many wayss accomplish as you go from an earl season to later seasons it's still like that. what breaking bad -- in the beginning we kind of admire the character because -. the internet is tpebging our isr

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american force could not have succeeded in iraq without the help of interpreters. the problem is that when the u.s. began pulling out of iraq and afghanistan, they filled the void. they were set for tradeers and

marked for 8. only one in eight will be granted for the u.s. it's a generation that helped the u.s. and may be left behind. we are joined by one such sper preor the. he has been waiting for a special visa along the year after serving along the u.s. army for four years. we have obscured his face. we will call him hassan instead of his real name. he is anwar veteran, his life was saved by an interpreter who was hiding after his approved visa got caught up in by red tape. he's the national security project and c o-founded the assistance project. it helps provide safe passage for iraq refugees. i want to start with you, i know that you worked as an interpreter for four years, you

applied for the special visa last year. why is it so important for you to get the visa and move to the u.s.? >> well, first of all, of course, we don't believe that we have a future here in iraq. we have to start over elsewhere. we work so hard with american forces. we provided the proper translation in the field and as you just mentioned that we are considered traders in iraq. we can't go and announce in our previous work with the american forces because this will put our -- it will put us in jeopardy along with our famili families. as you all might know, the phegs acomplex, my face won't be blurred right now.

>> many of your friends do not even know that you did this job and i know you were out in the field. you were in dangerous situations. so you feel you are in real danger right now. >> exactly. . >> so, basically, we came to the final decision that it's really hard for us to continue living in such a country that half of the population, if not even more considering a trade up. matt, you really saw it firsthand. you thought you were going to die in the middle of a gun battle but an interpreter saved your life. he was approved far visa and his family had it and all of a sudden, everything changed, what happen? ed. >> my interpreter janice saved my life in a fire fight. basically janice was a part of a

force. we were surrounded by the taliban. janice jumped in my fox hole and ended up killing two taliban fighters saving my life in the process. on september 8th, the state department, after two years of processing his visa finally gave him and his family the salvation that we have been promising him for so long and told them that he and his family have been approved to immigrate to the united states. two weeks later, based on information the state department will not release or acknowledge, they took away his visa after they had told him to sell his house, quit his job and sell every possession he had to include his children's toys. he's now hiding in kabul desperate that our country made to him. i'm not the only war veteran

that he has saved. i stopped be able to count the number of veterans who contacted me. >> because he did much more than just be an interpreters. he fought alongside of you. i know that his life there was an attempt on his life. let's run down some of the numbers of the special immigrant vie sas called sivs. why so few of them being issued? we have to be clear. it's not about demand. demand for this program is very high. my work with the iraqi assistance project we have steen hundreds of these cases.

we've also spent a lot of time on the ground in the middle east in syria, lebanon, jordon, in iraq working with these folks trying to get them out. they do want to come to the united states. they've earned that right. the loyalty that my friend matt is showing is the loyalty that our country owes to these people who risked their lives. there are two problems here. one is an imperfect system and janice's case is a great example of all the different ways the system can fail. someone who stood by america. the second problem is, this is an urgent situation we face. if congress which has a lot of time learning to figure anything. if they cannot reauthorize the iraqi visa program, even this imperfect past is going the close. nobody else is going to get out. so the senate has approved this

legislation. the house has approved language that's very similar. almost identical but did it in a bill that's mixed up with obama care. all that's opened up is for the house to take itself as an independent bill and simply pass the senate bill and can go forward and reopen that channel, that lifeline that men and woman like hassan need so padly. we have a question from social media. in response to news about janice. high would anyone help us? >> that's a great question. that's what i worry about. i'm still an officer in the army reverse. i made a promise to janice to save his life five years ago and have been trying to fulfill it ever since. that will be the question that future allies will ask pups you not commit to keep your progress

how can we ever trust you again. these why we have to get this right now. mike is right. house must extent the iraqi program. the state department must take a greater action to ensure that the afghan allies that still have another year under their program are brought to the united states. our credibility are on the line. we have to do the right thing here. what has your process been like? >> well, my last interview was in the 20th of november last year. and ever since, i was talked to to go home basically and wait for them the to contact me. it's been almost a year and i haven't received anything yet. >> some people bring up an example of two iraqi refugees in kentucky who arrested on terrorism charges. they were not involveed with soldiers in iraq.

>> it may have slowed the process down. those two individuals had nothing to do with iraq. with we are talking to someone like young pwer preor the. you're talking about people who put they ever thing on the line. you are being vouched by senior military officers who said this individual has stood by this country. there no greater test of loyalty to the united states than standing out there facing bullets for this country. >> there are not many -- but the security threats is a little tough to swallow. >> isn't thar process?

before answering the question i wanted to comment is that when you first worked for the american forces, it wasn't just for the american forces or for america, it was also for iraq. at this time there was no program. we believe that were trying to also have together the security -- the american force on the ground to establish freedom and democracy. we ended up in our country who w no appreciation. sop now we have no other to look at. but the u.s. or america in order to give us some of that appreciation. >> michael, it's not just people who worked with u.s. forces. why are they not eligible for

special force. you can't talk about interpreters. without realizing that we bear a greater responsibility to so many in iraq and afghanistan who put their lives on the line in so many different ways. when someone like matt or myself goes out with the american flags on our shoulders as soldiers and officer in the u.s. military, i remember walking around in 2003 in baghdad and asking people to believe in a vision of a better iraq asking people like hassan to try to make something better. people did that in so many different ways. and having asked them to do that, having asked them to have a courage with us we have to stand with them now. >> i think, hassan, i'm sorry.

wear letting you down pwep deserve to do you better. everyone along with you deserving better. his sentiment about signing up for a new iraq is the same that janice had. i said why did you defend me against the taliban? he didn't say i want to come to america to gate visa. he said i believe in a better afghanistan for my children. as a father, i get that. so then he was saying if i can't provide them with that better afghanistan i hope you'll be able to honor your commitment and promise to bring me and my family to america. that's what we need to do right now. we are the united states of america. or word should be our bond we're better than this. michael, matt. i thank you very much for being with us tonight. hassan i wish you and your family the very best and can only hope that america stands up for its friends. thank you for being with us tonight. we'll be back with more of

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the story is.ing damaged and destroyed and other parts of the middle east. landmarks are threatened. world heritage sites many to great importance too christianity and islam. what is being done to save what's left of these ancien ancientivelatiothesecivilasitio. also joining us via skype from

armenia. thank you both for joining us tonight. help us understand, what is at stake here? what is happening and why is it important for americans to learn and care about this? >> the country is full of great monuments. there's just no way to protect them. one of the most important mid evil castles of the world has been used by rebels in the syrian regime. just an absolutely beautiful place but the rebels have taken it over and the syrian regime as

a result hit it with the air strikes. the most resent in july of this year. let's look at some of that. >allah akbar. >> this is what the spectacular castle looks like now. is there anything that can be done protect a site like this? it's a very difficult situation. there are few. and all of a sudden, the

campaign the buildings will take over along the city. but, i truly from the outside that's spirely up to them. >> the question is, it really is up to syria. there's nothing the rest of the world can do to protect this site like that. >> it's true. i think the looting is a worgs e situation. all kinds of people are involved with that. they seem to be organized gangs who are load and have bulldozeers and trucks. >> you have come up with this list trying to encourage the museums and collectors to not buy anything that's coming from

that region. >> do i think that international public opinion matters. i think that will influence what happens in conflicts involving the united states in the future in making sure that people understand. these cultural sites in a lot of places. they have seen some terrible destruction including the mosque and citadel there. what have you heard about what's happening with those? >> we'll see those videos of

destruction in general. so, a few things should be done there. we know that there's a letter that was sent who is the current director in syria and ask him to make sure that all went on where it's going to be kept after the conflict. it will be in general throughout the country. a few individuals to be competing for those buildings and the other will reviews -- the material and in the construction. it's actually to preserve.

>> it's very difficult to do. >> yeah. >> you brought up spectacular statues of the budas, and in afghanistan that the taliban went after and tore down. this is a picture of what they looked like. and i believe we have it after. look how they just blew them up. this spe spectacular and enormos statues. what do you do with a government that decides to destroy its own heritage? >> they were not recognized in any country in the world an were desperate for some public attention. this was really a cheap shot. it didn't cost them very much. they happened to have tanks and military artillery in the area and they just decided to go through with this kind of threat in order to get some attention.

>> this is an extreme case and most governments didn't do that. the baghdad museum, it was severe pr-b there in iraq. >> there was. i they is faculty planning on the part of our military not recognizing that these -- not only should the sites be avoided in direct military conflict which they were all prepared to do by avoiding bombing in important and so forth but they really have to be protected in the after math of the conflict. >> it's just a conflict. we saw bastien in cairo during the arab spring during the protest of tahrir square. that's where king tuts's tomb

are and people broke in in to that incredible museum. this is hurting all these countries and their tourism in the future. >> exactly. it's been almost entirely loot looted. i think we might be talking about a different type of destruction. in each case, it's a market that they are providing for and for the international community can come to i think. if the market is dead or tightened maybe there will be less of an incentive for people to do this thing. syria's economy used to be 12% tourism. we appreciate you joining us tonight and bringing attention to an important issue as the world's cultural heritage. place where western civilsation was born. >> it is. thank you both.

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the movie has been the fourth biggest money maker in american history it trails "crouching tiger hidden dragon." the star of the film is.ing called the mexican tyler perry for his ability to market to an under served demographic in america and find major success. is it the beginning of a new normal where hollywood will target audiences? bill wayman joins us and is an al jazeera america culture critic and stacy sikes is the co

co-founder of movie pass. he founded turban world film festival. a festival films by and for mexican, latino and asian audiences. you saw it a family comedy that's grossed more than $39 million-dollars in the u.s. by marketing to a hispanic audience. was that a significant part of his success? >> i think numbers prove that it was. i'm here in phoenix. it's showing of 13 of 15 theaters right now. five or six showings a day. i assume that they went hard in the latino broadcast networks and press and all the networks that produce this audience. but the one thing they did do is produce the size of an audience that we simply haven't seen before it's a really nice movie and it will strike caucasian

audiences crazily it's a little tel e-knoe-novela. it's also slightly fan as the call. it's slightly -- it's not crude in a sexual way but not super sophisticated but quite enjoyable. we have to ask movies made by come as well that they made huge parts of these and made up huge section of the audience and all the over sight is the white male. this is a film and you should mention that it's director and was at the co-screen writer. he's one of the producers, too.

which reminds you of tyler perry. it's what tyler perry has done and what bill brought up. the african-american audiences have been under served also by not seeing movies that are aimed at them and their particular interests and desires. why? we want to go for something that's big. >> tyler perry made a response.

>> it's still a big studio phenomena nothing and i think we're starting to see that swing of independence come back up and starting to see that happen and that's why you see a tyler perry and that's why you see a film like this break out. >> it's not just a kraeurb racir th*etiethicthing. kirk cameron has done the same with a series of christian filming including fire crews. is this part of a new normal do you think? >> are we going to see more of these films that are targeted at some sophisticated audiences or marketed to sophisticateed audiences? >> yes and no. we have a big problem with the film industry is that in america it's contracting a little bit. more of the money is coming from

overseas. we are going to find people marketing. on the other hand there's also this quality issue. tyler perry is treat bid contempt with most critics. those are very broad comedies that i think are in different production values. what this movie reminded me is my big fat greek wedding. even though it's targeted a maller group and had a sort of same shambling charm so one of the things i think has to happen is whatever the culture or the minority group is. they need to start making more money. they can make bad movies and just like the rest of the industry. there's a lot of bad industry made by white people and a lot of movies that don't make any money the.

every ethic group and woman as well have the right to fail and succeed in the same level. >> let's talk about -- and racial and people of different races in the movies. there's an article in the "huffington post" recently that said with the exception of denzel washington in "training day" the other oscar winners played characters that could not have been played by white acto actors. you forest whitaker and playing a worker in the field. >> by definition they were not cross-overrules. while white actors won oscars forever that have no definite ethnicity. are you seeing any progress? >> the progress that i see is where -- you look at where in

star trek, a lot of the woman's ro roles are in that opening scene of star trek is like an enter racial love story. you look at carry washington in scandal. these woman are in rows that they can be any woman. so talking about oscars, yeah that's one subject and that might be too narrow. that's in true life. i think in the first time you're seeing roles that will smith is not cast. he can play anything he wants. that's never happened before. >> we have a question. >> stacy on twitter asks "why are there not fully realized dynamic roles for black actors? ". >> similar to what i was just mentioning, i think that we're

seeing roles that we never saw before. we are seeing roles that you look at a bond girl being african-american now. you look at certain taboos and relationships that this never happened. i think we're breaking stereotypes that we've never seen and there are more and more directors that are being able to do things and to see spike lee -- or to see directors who are directing work. you don't know the color of the director. i think they are starting to really change things. >> bill, are we discussed, the emmies haven't been generous to actors. are they more -- >> i think we could make that argument. these an interesting point. there's a lot of movies to be made and a lot of tv shows these days. you think of oz and the wire. there have been extraordinary roles for blacks and produce a

lot of interesting stars of well. that's another point that i was making. the more productions you have. the rise and all the numbers are in the different groups that will arise and find themselves better position for the future. there's all kinds of hollywood here. one are the people who vote on the oscars which most people don't know this are overwhelming white in male. 3/4 male and 92% white. that's a big problem. you know who's whiter? are the people who are shelling tout movies. those are the movies you have to get to and the other hollywood is us the viewing public. we have to show that we will go to see those other movies. thank you for being with us tonight. the conversation continues on our web-site al jazeera.com. we will see you next time.

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