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congress and the white house throw political blows again. two sides are further from a day than the day this all started. as the u.s. comes closer than the brink of default. how's it impacting other countries and an interest in a global scale. the nfl gets hit hard by a controversy. a denial on the science linking football with lasting brain damage. we'll ask the authors of "league of denial" on how long the league has gone to save face. welcome to "consider this." we begin with week two of the government shut down and the more heated the rhetoric than in washington. the tough talks served up by president obama and house speaker john boehner at clashing press conferences. >> having talk, negotiations shouldn't require hanging the threats of a government shut

down for economic chaos over heads of the american people. >> reporter: lots of talk but no deal. >> we can't raise the debt ceiling without doing something about what's driving us to borrow more money. the house speaker seemed to draw a harder line telling hard makers the debt reduction negotiation must be part of any debt ceiling increase. >> this is congressman sent a letter to boehner with 51 other house republicans demanding that the contentious issue of social security spending be addressed. it shows 70% of americans disapprove the way americans are handling the budget. democrats are not fairing well either. 61 -bg61% of americans polled sy disapprove of their shut down, too. there's been the biggest shut down in one week since lehman

brothers collapse in 2008. negotiations could start only after the government reopens and the debt limit is raised. >> we're going to conference anything you want to go to conference on. we don't care. of course you have to allow us to pay our bills. >> reporter: but republicans won't budge without talks and blame the democrats. >> we are elected to governmenten. we're elected to make the tough decisions and yet the president and the senate democrats want to take the easy way out. >> reporter: time is running out for law makers. the u.s. treasury says it cannot guarantee that it can pay all of the government bills after october 17th. some republicans are questioning just how big of a deal that would be. courtney keely, al jazeera new york. joining us is bill schneider and al jazeera english contributor. they are both in our washington, d.c. studio tonight. the big question, are we making

any progress. it seemed the president did open the door to a debt seating increase. most is a quack on republicans. we started a press conference saying americans were held hostage. he called the them them estorio. >> two of their jobs are passing a budget and making sure that america's paying its bills. they don't also get to say tonless you give me what the builders projected in the last election, i'm going to cause a recession. >> the rhetoric ramping up i can't imagine this language helps. >> it what one would think for the past couple of weeks. i think it's under scored by surprised and not announced press conference today where the

president went on for about an hour. it's one step back to under score the unusual terrain on flick it and rather depressing but decidedly unpredicament that we're in. they will also pull us together and felt like i was seen -- almost like i was in the economics 101 lecture. >> it went on for a long time. >> it was long lecture. i think they obviously will have decided that they've got to do a more effective job. attempt to a more effective job to bring it down to human level making analogies to what it would mean if this similar situation sit one and one had to pay the mortgage, had to pay the car loans and only pay one and not the other. he would still be a dead beat.

that's what the u.s. would be and that's what the republicans would be responsible for. one of the most interesting questions is this going to have any actual impact. it's the huge co cottage indust. you have a gifted order who's not necessarily making a lot of headway trying to convince folks in a decidedly poll environment. bill, jim brings up the unusual press conference. president obama held an off-the-record meeting with five journalists. what you think he was trying to do there? >> he was trying to be reasonable. he was trying to talk to the other side and get his point across. the criticism that the republicans keep voicing is he refuses to negotiate. he's refusing to negotiate under the threat of ext oh o are

rtion. the president is trying to sound as he's active -r active, he's . >> he's upset in some statements he made today. >> we can't raise the debt ceiling without doing something about what's driving us. the president said today was if there's unconditionle surrender by republicans he'll sit. they are kids an our grand kids. >> tough talk on both sides. jim, is boehner drawing a harder line now than he has before. not a harder line than he's drawn in the last few weeks. this is a much harder line than if left to his own personal

advices is normal under the normal circumstances he would want to draw. anybody who knows the guy well knows darn quell that this is not the outcome he desires. he's backed in to a corner bay small faction. that's not particularly -- put he seems to have done whole hog in to that corner. >> for the moment he has. perhaps in his mind this is a way keeping the republican conference for his group of guys somehow united in the long run. but, it is really hard to see how another couple of weeks we have reached any sort of sats factory conclusion without his essentially making this concession that that small group would consider absolute betrayal. >> bill, what about senator mccain. he was seen as a moderate on all this. boehner, until reisn'tl recentld been too.

he criticized the party republicans. but, he opposed the demand of the president for an inconditionle increase. he wants negotiations and he said this about the president and the no negotiating on the senate floor where he was very rolled up. >> innocent american whose have fallen victim to reality that we can't sit down and talk like grown ups and address this issue. i get a little emotional. there's a number of issues that we can sit down and negotiate and within an hour if we will stop. stop attacking each other and turning people's integrity and honor. >> one of the things i said is the fact that because of the government shut down, money will not go to help the families and dead soldiers and he later said that he's trying to negotiate

with democratic senators in private. you think he's going to make any headway? >> i don't think so. i don't think he speaks for the house majority. he's in the senate after all where he's a minority. i don't think he's a key figure here. he's speaking to the american people who are very impatient with this process and urging the president to negotiate. the president is saying that he doesn't want to negotiate until the threat of extortion. he said first the republicans have to do their job. they have to pay the debts that have been kurd an occured. he will negotiate anything but cannot be under a threat or blackmail. it's happened in the past. that there's been serious negotiations about raising the debt ceiling. on the president's side doesn't he have a point when he says if the positions were reversed the republicans wouldn't be happy if democrats were saying, we won'tny tkoerbuatwon'tnegotiatee

tight gun control regulations. he's obviously eludeing to the key problem in this whole situation which is the desire of many republicans to dramatically altar or delay or to fund the president's signature health care program. so that's what he's eludeing to if he says if the swaegs was sie reversed. they would be unhappy campers. one of the things that was left unclear this afternoon came in the last question of this very, very long economics 101 class what the president oversaw was, if we get to the 17th or 18th or somewhere around there and the deadlines for raising the debt ceiling and we come up with some extension how does that actually change the dynamic? why aren't we back in the same situation with the two sides haveing the same position and one side sayinging the president

won't compromise and the president saying i won't get in to extortion. the president's response i thought was a little bit short of convincing. i can forsee extending this or prolonging the agony and the three of us talking about this in a about a month. if we do have another short-term deal. now, bill, the president kept talking about the fact that he wanted a bill to go to the floor of the house. he sounded as some people believe that there cob some or enough republicans defectors. some said there might be enough to pass a clean funding bill. cnn's tally of the vote says that wouldn't happen. what do you think will happen? >> i think it would happen. i think if enough republicans were very scared.

the idea of the united states defaulting on its debt and throwing the entire financial financial system in to chaos is very scary. but the vast majority, almost all the democrats can be counted oh on to vote for a clean bill. republicans only need 15 or 20 republicans to vote for it. there are some who are indicated they intend to. i think republicans are not terrified now. there are 50 or 60 who are defiant about this and are not really in the real world but most of the republicans are responsible and will probably join in that vote. >> the political voice said that no republican is threatened splitly nexenedpolitically next. there's not much motivation to move. one thing that came out today. political reporting. if we were looking at a deal that in the past joe biden has been effective. this negotiating with mitch mcconlele in the senate and

that he's instrumental in reaching deals in the past and that he bring up that harry reid said i don't want biden involved at all. why was biden margin alized in this case? >> i don't know that's true but we'll assume that it is in sync when it comes to the white house and a new contact and say i want to try to interview the vice president. you get a quick, no because because the white house feels that the vice president runs the risk which is to the business of making news. they don't want him to do that. so, e i think they -- i think they feel it's someone who was a very accomplished negotiator and compromiseer during his long senate tenure might somehow give away -- so for the moment he's sideline by some first or second

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the $6.9 debt limit or the u.s. will go in to default.

the long term alliances and underline -p confidence in the u.s. world in guaranteeing the world security. for more on this i'm joined by "forbes" columnist and from denver i'm joined by professor joseph school of international studies at the university of denver. thank you for being with us tonight. >> he sounded a little more optimistic although he said there was debt ceiling list unless the obama administration was willing to to negotiate.

>> i certainly didn't come here to default on our debt. when it comes to the debt limit, tkpepbagain, it's been used to y significant policy changes that would in fact reduce spending and put us on the same path. they are getting close to some short-term solution. >> you can drag this on and on. should what the speaker suggested in this possibility of short-term resolutions? it's got to be done. you look around the world. a lot of people are saying this is a dysfunctional political

system. no, it's not. i think because the american p-bipublic is very divided. it's reflecting the views oh of the american people. people say this is a manufactured crisis. they think that is a criticism. this is really important. this is not a credit driven crisis. this is where the borrower is raising the ruckus. i think that's a sign of a mature political system. >> they're saying we need to get our house in order. creditors will continue to lend to the united states if this were not happening. clearly what's happening is you have the befor the borrowe are f raising important issues. china is going to go to the law because they have a debt crisis that's worse than ours. their political system covers it up. our political system on the other hand exposings these

problems because you have the national conversations. we talked to president obama when he talked about the possibility of default. >> it would be, i'm quoting here, insign insane, chaos. those are the polite words. >> are those the words they are saying. does that really get their concern? >> oh, absolutely. you look at on their headlines, they are crazy. if you look at the inside another ko*plt commentator is not favorably to the tall political system. so, when you look at it, countries around the world are

really worried because it's true what it'll come to. there's two other issues here. one is we are the world leaders. we have been the world leader ever since world war ii. we are the guide in the international system. secondly, with the united states swifting, we don't see the compromise we used to see between republicans and democrats. that's what people are really upset about is the lack of compromise for the tea party people on the right and the people top the left wing democrats and the other side scares the hell out of countries all over the world who went to stability in an international system. >> jefferson, wake up they're all crazy. the two biggest creditors are are japan and china. according to the u.s. treasury, china holds $1.28 u.s. bonds. what will the consequences be? china's economy is struggling a little bit.

it's a massive debt ceiling. the united states is -- in 1979 we will forget about that. what happened was -- for china, i think they've got a problem. it's not nearly what they claimed it to be. the situation is unstable. so anything that could disrupt global markets including a default by the united states or boehner saying something silly could easily rock the chinese economy. when the chairman of the federal reserve talked about the possibility some tamering the program, that really rocked the chinese markets. so the chinese know how unstable their system is. >> and japan has moved sharply too. and president obama cancelled the visit to indonesia this week for two days of global trade talks to stay in a wa* because of the debt crisis and government shut down. here's what he said about that.

i think they lost more than many come theytors think. -- come theytors think. >> whether it's their own international trading organization, with the europeans and the trans-atlantic partnership. they this guide the united states as the stability including the chinese who have benefited e tphoebenefited enor. they are scared about what would happen to an international system that couldn't rely on the united states.

>> some of the economies are recovering here and doing better than they were before. question is the u.s. was seen as the motor that was toing to really or the engine that was going to motor the world recovery. what's going to the happen in europe if the u.s. economy gets hit by some sort of slow down? just the slightest tremor and the investors lose confidence. you see the d oh ow iow is down0 points. even americans are beginning to

wonder with the government and the two sides can't compromise. that raises the whole issue over whether our political system is able to continue to function in the way it did for decades quite success any. >> that will cost the u.s. government more money. >> jonathan viewer said the rest of the world is pointing and laughing at us because of this shut down. are other countries pointing and laughing at us or is that oversimplifying it. >> they are also laughing out of fear. the fear is that as much as -- like the united states and if you lie in the united states and the monetary fund. if that goes an the short-term for countries that are trying to develop around the world and get

out of recession. it's a throw the economy of many countries around the-year-old back in to a tphaoeuld per session which will be dangerous given how much money has been extended in trying to get them out of that dire situation. they are laughing in america but also crying. this is not what they want. >> what about the sense that america is a drift. what does that do from a security standpoint? we did see that just this week they had the u.s. managed to hit in somalia and hre and libya agt terrorists. >> i think it was syria because the weak response on the part of the white house took the situation there unnerved on our allies in asia. countries that were looked for decades has started to question in mesh's willingness to defend them.

do we need to have a resolution before the united states protects us from china. that really shows a dismay and a fear and south cory e yea souths concern. it's questioning in the united states. this is a whole side of the government shut down and debt ceiling issue is not getting enough attention.. it could be significant. let's hope we figure something out so we don't get there. we appreciate you both joining us tonight an look forward to having you both back. >> a new book claims the nfl conceals the fact that it causes serious brain damage. we will have the authors of "a league of denial" here next. that connect to you. >>grounded. >>real. >>unconventional. >>an escape from the expected.

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was there a cover up? the authors are steve and his brother mark a "new york times" best selling author and join us here in the studio. >> the nfl first started looking at the first committee they named. it's the enormous regarding this issue. a guy who has become his commissioner's own personal physician.

that kept happening over and over again. a lot of people in these positions to analyze this work had conflicts and interest. so you have that narrative happening few league should become aware as they get in to the late 1990 or 2000. there's a -- so again nothing happens for almost another ten years with mike webster. >> a doctor who's happens to do the authority and looks in to the brain and finds evidence.

the pig issu big issue that then so many football players brains. the nfl does what. the nigerian doctors have never seen a football game. when you make the discovery the first football player thinks the nfl is going to tree them as a hero and give them a big wet kiss as he describes it. in fact the league attacked him, attacked his work and tried to get the paper retracted. that was the beginning of what became a year's long fight over this issue. >> and the evidence starts -- be u the nfl starts resist. >> they themselves start publishing a whole set of research in a journal called neuro-surgery. pit's edited by a new york giants consultant.

>> you have a conflict of interest. >> the message while they're taking other doctors is it's not a big problem in the nfl. we have this problem handleleed, it's not a major issue. nfl issues are for these kinds of injuries and don't get long term brain damage. >> the same name that appeared on tuesday. let's take a look. >> one has to expect that almost every play and they are hitting each other. it seemed to happen around the 1,000 to 1500 times a year. each time that happens it's 20,000 or more. that's equivalent to driving a car in to a brick wall. that's 1500 times the per year. >> we have chris on the other

day. we have got in to the tremendous effects this has on players. what did you find? >> i think that's one of the most profound things. it's that the impact of these players are profound. they go from the people who are loving, people who oh are widely admired for their skills an for their athletic performance to people who are unrecognizable to their families. in the case of mike webster who is a person who became homeless, who is painting themselves to sleep and who was writing thousands the upon thousands of letters to his family. it's really striking i think it was to literally be reading watching somebody descend. >> it's not just the big hit. >> that's right.

the folks at boston university talk about sub concussions. this is really the core of the issue for the league an it deals with this moving forward. they can try to t out of the game and the big hits that we all see and the highlights time and time again of a linebacker blowing up a wide receiver but the more but the largeer question is if it's playing in the line of scrimmage and time and time again is going to lead to long term brain damage. that's an issue not just for the league and that's an issueer that we move down to high school and pop warner. >> the first diagnosed case was the case of mike webster 2005. andre shot himself and the recoveable brain tissue showed the condition that was long associated with boxers in 2011. he took his life and another suicide. he shot himself in the chest so that his brain could be used for

research and he did the same thing last year. it was ten years in to what one case after another. it was more than 50 brains and almost all of those brains. is the nfl any better? >> well, i think it depends on who you ask. i think the league has described and they have come under intense pressure because of that because they were forced in to a position where they really had to do something so they blew up this committee that they were describing and created a new committee. they started to research it an get involved. i think we're at a stage now where the nfl is still heavily

involved in the science. i think question that a lot of people are asking, how much can we really trust at this point. we have so much credibility. i think it remains to be seen. the more of a commissioner is trying to do the right thing and -- he was epl pa raszed before congress because a congresswoman pretty much said that he sounded like the tobacco companies with some of his answers an after that it seemed like the nfl started taking more action. you just have the experience and it was a joint production between front line and espn and the nfl may have influenced espn to pull out. >> it's a $10 billion-dollar industry. we are not happy with the turn of events. whether the league influenced that decision or how much they

influenced it. it's that nothing actually changed. the league clearly on this issue of brain damage and its connection to football. there's movement that's been made. they are still saying the same thing now that they said before congress is that we're still going to let the doctors decide if this was an issue you are or not. many of the doctors that hear that. the decision -- that link has been made. the question how prevalent it is. the reality remains the documentary is airing. espn has been increditly supportive of our journalism. >> you brought up th the issueef money. they were paid $27 billion-dollars. it's a high test program of the night. it took 14.4 million fans among

the 18 to 49-year-old. what will this all mean for the fans? do you think they care when they hear about this stuff? will it effect how they approach their favorite past time? >> i think the real issue is -- you'll hear people who have heard about this issue who feel some people feel like they are looking at the game in a different way. the reality is of the game is still wildly popular and mark and i stand ourselves. we -- i'm - -- >> i think issue for us is that we're hoping that as much information about this issue gets out there because on one level this isn't the nfl. it's goten in to the -- this has gotten in to the national conversation now at this point. so parents all over the country whose oh kids are involved in cop tact sports are trying to make rational decities about

what they want for their own kids. most will not play in the nfl looking for guidance. what the responsibility afternoon running risks of the football right now. >> i thought it was much more about informing people. there's a discussion happening. that's the place to move

forward. i think nobody has an idea where wear headed in the league and the sport. they are certainly being more careful with players. especially kw*bespecially quarte receiveers that are getting hit. you think they are doing enough quickly enough? >> i think it's a difficult question to answer. they are not acknowledging that football can cause you injuries. they are still not at a point where they acknowledge that there's a link. i think far lot of times that day has passed that the scientist settled on that subject. at the same time they are making rule changes. i think the real question is how much can you really change? how much can you ledge late safe thety in a game that's brutal and violent.

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lindsay lohan lost too but better at -- it's at 44% approval we are doing three times better than congress and that's up for a long time low of 40 who last year. maybe within day half of ameri america. is television the future of twitter? together unexpected voices closest to the story, invite hard-hitting debate and desenting views and always explore issues relevant to you. millions who need assistance now. we appreciate you spending time with us tonight.

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now, twitter and television are trying to work together.

neilson the company tracks television ratings just be begin publishing tv ratings to gauge how many people are talking about a show online. now, how will this effect viewers. joining us now -- the social media editor for digital trends and joining us. the editor ot large. thank you both for being us with tonight. . >> well, over the last year there's been how much people are talking about tv-related. an people using twitter.

they impact the show ratings. the biggest impact was 44% according to this. this is like a real time water cooler. it's the work the next day and talk about it. >> that's important and pretty

little liars. a. :is twitter becoming a key way to watch tv live and that is works with the advertisers. >> it's really hard for live tv now. there's a population an a lot of -- people don't want live tv anymore and will describe to net flix. you get interested, there's a chance you can start watching that show an that means you will start seeing more ads on that show and that's just good for a tv network. >> i see this for my teenage daughters. their friends will all get together and molly, is that mostly teenagers that are doing that or you think this is something that really goes across all age groups? >> i think it definitely goes across all age groups.

it depends on the type of contact you're watching. it's probably a demographic for your teenage daughter. people are engaging and there's been a big climb in younger users effecting facebook and getting on twitter. it makes sense that are naming at a younger audience. >> let's look at the first week that nielson ratings. it's the most watched and the two airings of the voice were the only ones that were in the top ten tweeted about shows that were also in the top ten and the ratings and it doesn't seem like most -ft tweeted about shows were responsibility shows. the voice, dancing with the stars, x-factor. in the end, there is no correlation.

it's dangerous and down the road and those are major programs. there's an out reach for the end oh of breaking bad. it helped to drive the ratings in that show as well. i think when we see some major drama programs wrap with aing up the season. i think we will see some impacts there. i think it's too early to draw any conclusions. >> how do you think the networks will actually use it. if the networks do find that they are extremely engaged for a particular show, what can the net works do? will it help them sell

advertising. that's what they really want are watching and interested? >> it will help them and especially with certain demographics. it will probably be popular on twitter and will be a great place to market. there's also an opportunity for not only be selling advertise bug making advertising investments itself to let people know and they might want to watch. it's not only can they be getting from this, they can also. doing their advertising and doing it in a way. how important is this? here is the social media expert here. how are they going to make money from this? they are just about to have their initial public offering and about to semishares for the public an raise a billion dollars. they have seen their growth flattening in the united states. they have seen their ad prices go down.

so, what happens here? how does twitter manage to make this something that makes them money? >> well, they don't know yet and neither do we? they said this product is not intended to generate revenue. this is so they can start to see what they can do with this data. they know that it's valuable and it's something that advertisers and marketers are going the to have to figure out thousand use. >> i think they said here's some data on conversations happening and let's see what with we can do with it. there's possibilities that a marketer can still know that you're watching their show on twitter which they have access to those tweets and start targeting you u in your twitter feed. there's lots of possibilities. twitter is ahead when it comes to social television and second screen appearances so we'll have to find out. >> we have a viewer question

right now. police tell me through twitter. >> viewer and la wants to know know, -- >> i think that it will ultimate ultimately a lot -- some are exciting on these reality programs. people will start to tweet about it. if we have something news. there's also a reality program and drama and i do think it will. >> and do you think --

>> it's great to imagine. the twitter ratings work great and they are really high. so there's a possibility that this thing can step in and change your tv programming for the better. >> we'll have to see how this all works out. again a brand new technology may change things. we will stay on top of it. thank you po*t for joining us tonight. and the show may. over but the conversation continues on our web-site. you can also go to twitter at aj consider this. we'll see you next time.

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