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theories with brad melt zer. did bobby kennedy take his brother's brain and how long was the fbi tracking lee harvey oswald before the assassination. >> wing suit flying is a deadly sport. mountains. >> i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this." we begin with a health crisis. antibiotics have saved millions of lives since coming into wide use in the middle of the past century. antibiotic resistent superbugs progress. >> the world health organization warned last year that an antibiotic era means an end to modern medicine, where strep throat and child scratch knee could kill.

>> antibiotic resistance is a serious health threat. >> at least 2 million people each year in the u.s. becomes infected with drug-resistent bacteria. 23,000 die because of infections. in its 117-page report, the cdc counted 17 drug resistent bacteria and an problems. >> we look at cre - i called it a nightmare bacteria. it can resistent antibiotics. >> cre is rare, causing 600 deaths a year. researchers have identified it in health care facilities in 44 states. there has been warnings for years about antibiotic resistent infections.

it has not gained traction as a health issue like hiv and cancer. the pharmaceutical industry took its attention away from developing more needed antibiotic s, concentrating on higher profit drugs. life-saving antibiotic s are not entering the pipeline. >> i'm joined by david hoffmann, correspondent, pbs documentary, "hunting the bacteria", and dr shaun elliott from tucson, director of medial prevention at the arizona health network, featured in "hunting the night bacteria." i'll play a clip by the documentary putting the issues into context. it's a story of an 11.5-year-old girl named abby taken to two hospitals after a hip pain led to fever and virus. the person speaking is abby's mother, a former nurse.

>> i remember thinking, "she looks bad. this is bad. something is really, really wrong." they put on antibiotics, here blood pressure was dropping, they were making space in the icu for her. the next morning she needed oxygen viaa mask. they looked at part of her lungs and diagnosed her with pneumonia. i remember sitting there watching the sun come up, and thinking, "how did she get so sick? how did this happen so fast?" >> dr elliott, to answer the question her mother posed, you treated abby. how did she get so sick is this. >> abby had a form of resistance staph infection causing septic shock. it acts quickly, grows quickly and

releases poisons that affects the heart and lungs. she had an inokayuation from playing sport, from the -- ipp okayuation from the skin into the bloodstream. >> she's still struggling? >> she is still struggling. very long story short - she had to have a lung transplant to effect a change from other resistent negative bacteria acquired in hospital. >> i want to read a quote from dr john rex, vice president of clinical research referring to the problems with anti- - with resistent bacteria: again, i think most people don't understand why we don't have a pipeline of new antibiotics coming out. can you address that? >> sure.

i think very clearly we have a golden age of antibiotic s in the 50s and 60s many dozens were discovered. if something stopped working new ones came along and we overused it, which led to the tide of resistance we are seeing. the economics of drug development changed. some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies realised if they had to invest $1 billion in a new drug taking 10 years to develop, they'd have to look at the return on the investment. drugs for chronic disease - a drug you may take for the rest of your life, promised the industry a higher return on investment than antibiotic, a drug, if properly used you take shortly, and then after a short course you are finished with it. so they began to move out of antibiotic research and development, toward the big blockbuster drugs for chronic disease.

that's what happened. the pipeline is running dry. >> part of the problem that you highlight is that the government just has not taken in seriously enough. that, in fact, there's only one interagency task force that meets once a year. >> you know, when you think back about other big health chrises, hiv, aids, biodefense after antlax, the government responded. the question that i wondered after the work on the film was why hasn't the government stepped up to this one. because this is a crisis that the cdc says is leading a 23,000 deaths a year in the united states. that's more than hiv aids, yet we don't seem to have the same response >> and you highlight a terrible case that happened at the national institute of health itself. so rite in the government's backyard, in the federal government's backyard.

>> dr elliott, dr rex brought up another issue. this is another quote: >> is that part of the problem now, is that we've got all the bacteria that are resisting the existing antibiotics and they have so many offenses that the antibiotic s that are necessary to kill them will mess us up badly with the side effects? >> yes, that's very true. as antibiotics mature in response to nature, which changes in selected pressure, the targets are harder to hit. chemicals complex, adverse effects dangerous. we had to use glorified detergent, an old antibiotic, which could have killed her kidneys, preventing a transplant. >> talking again about dollars

and cents. this week john hopkins released a study saying the farm and drug lobbies combined to block efforts to reduce widespread use of antibiotic in farm annals. 85% of antibiotic s in the united states are used to treat and fatten up animals for food. if we n want pharmaceutical companies to find antibiotics, but we don't want them used in farm animals, leading to resistance from antibiotic s the biggest profit center for the drug companies are seling the antibiotic s to the farmers. if they can't make money it makes no sense to produce antibiotic s. >> it's a dollar and cents issue. it is a for-profit institution. if we could remove the need to make a profit, potentially we

could focus on altruism and antibiotic discovery to help infectious diseases which are the number one or two killer in the rest of the world - not just the u.s. that has the problem. >> another issue is dr brad spelburn who specialised in treating diseases at harvard ucla medical center. he says the u.s. does a terrible job at tracking the diseases. he he says: >> europe is having no problem doing this - why don't we have the information and know where it's happening, what hospitals and how many cases there are? >> we don't have a national system of surveillance for a lot of organisms and infections. when i mentioned before that the government has not stepped up to it, it ought to be item one on the agenda to create a national system. the europeans have done so.

we have the technology, we have a problem and we ought to do something about it. >> abby got her infection playing sports, scraping her knee. can we catch the superbugs anywhere. hospitals, you think, are the likely place to get them. >> hospitals have a dense population of sick individuals putting a lot of others at risk for bacteria shared by patients. some live in the community, but in general if one is healthy, it's less likely for you to acquire true disease. abby's case is unusual. she has mersa, which lives on the skin and con inokayulate an abrasion. other bacteria come from the gut and it could be that someone is in hospital for another reason, has the bacteria enter the bloodstream and coat niv or a breathing tube and cause infection that way. yes, it's easier to get true

bacteria. >> now, how many infections? is there a lot out there that can't be treated with antibiotic s. >> the c b.c. report said 2 million people a year are getting resisted infection. it's hard, it's an estimate. it's hard to nope. >> we are not tracking it. and they think 23,000 have died, but they don't know for sure. >> and probably more. the thing that is worrisome, and that we saw with the research we did for the film on "frontline" is the grand negative bacteria are becoming resistent to the last-resort antibiotic s, the ones that worked. that's a desperate situation when you need s and there's nothing in the medicine chest. >> it's a big issue, people have forgotten what is it was like before antibiotics came into play. what do you think washington needs to do to

avoid the cat as troughify that washington is talking about. >> the first thing is to set up national surveillance. there are 11 states requiring the reporting. 11 out of 50 is not enough. we need a national system. secondly the market is failing us in antibiotic drug development. we rely on capitalism, providing boupty to our count -- bounty to our country. there's times when the private sector does not function. society has an urgent need. we need a new generation, the science may be more difficult than the ones in the past. the government could thing about how to stim u lat it research, participate, help the smaller companies that want to tackle this, find the capital. when we have a problem as a society, we are not getting answers from the private sector - that's a time for the government to act. >> i know doctors and patients can help out by using

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despite 12 years of the u.s.-led war on terror, radical islamist movements are active and growing around the world. fortunately the dive into islamist ideology is not always a one-way trip. this was a hip-hop loving teenager when at 16 he joined the islamist group whose goal fate. >> for 13 years of my life i considered america my enemy. i worked diligently to overthrow

governments, recruit army officers and institute military coups against american allies. >> after being arrested and suffering through a brutal four-year term in an egyptian prison he emerged a changed map, a candidate for britain's parliament and a founder of a think tank and an organization to build grassroots demand for democratic culture. i'm pleased to present the liberal democratic party for parliament, for ham stead and kill borne. a pleasure to have you here. a fascinating story. what a life you led. you came from a family that was not fundamentalist. your mum was born and grew up in britain. you were, by all accounts, a normal british child. you loved hip hop, but something happened. what was it? >> well, as a teenager i

experience experienced violet racism. they targeted white friends, that was in essex, next to west london. they'd hold me back and force me to watch as they stabbed my white friends, deeming them blood traitors for associating with me. the other thing that happened is that the u.k. is no longer as racist as it used to be. troubles have significantly progressed since then. there was the bosnia geno side. it was the first time we saw white, blond haired blue-eyed muslims being slaughtered. up to then i associated my problems with racism, then there was the bosnia situation. british muslims decided across the board to say "if you are attempting to wipe out muslim

presence in europe, we are all muslim", that was the beginning of my awakening, as a consciousness to associate myself in public as a muslim. until then i was agnostic. it was at the age of 16 i came across a recruiter, a medical student in loined -- london, who pedalled an ideology. >> you became a serious leader of the group, you travelled around the world - to pakistan and egypt to recruit people. >> i cofounded the group in pakistan, denmark and, yes, i ended up in egypt and was part of essentially a drive to spread the revolution aborrow. >> and you were arrested in egypt and put in hosni mubarak's gaols which had a reputation for being horrific. you saw a lot of torture. >> they electrocuted everyone in custody in cairo.

people died before our eyes from the wounds inflicted upon them from the torture. confinement. confinement. >> yes, yes. specifically? >> i was not electrocuted. i had other british prisoners electro cuted in front of me based on the questions asked of me. i was beaten, sleep deprived but luckily not electrocuted. >> seeing people you knew suffering through what you suffered through. normally what you think about is people that go through this will be radicalised, you'll come out angrier against people that did that to you. instead you had a conversion. >> two things happened in prison. amnesty international adopted us as prisoners of conscience. i was young, i was imprisoned at the age of 24.

at the age of 24 it was the first time that i began to engage with the human rights discourse. amnesty international campaigned for our release. they took the stance that though we - we deemed them our enemy, and human rights generally of what i believed at the time was my people, muslims, amnesty international took the stance saying, "we may disagree with what these people say, but they have the right to say it as lopping as they were not terrorist or violent. we were revolutionary, we attempted to bring about coups. amnesty international got to me in my heart. i engaged with the who's who. we had asassins of the former president in prison. all the way through it the leader of the muslim brotherhood, dr hamid bedear who i spent many evenings with. i spent four years debating,

discussing and reading and essentially i grew up. >> that growing up really interestingly portrayed in the book by the way you reacted to 9/11 and 7/7 - the terror attacks in london. >> you've done your research. when 9/11 happened i was on the outside in egypt. essentially i was indifferent. since then i have spoken at the 9/11 memorial and visited the site on the last anniversary. a lot has changed. at the time it happened i was indifferent to any suffering other than muslim suffering. it's an unhuman stance to take. that's where i was at the time. when 7/7 happened there was a difference. in prison i started to change. what i witnessed in prison, and the antiwar protests think they failed. they didn't stop the invasion of iraq. they succeeded in impacting someone like me, who was in

prison at the time, full of rage and anger. when i saw the largest protest against the iraq war was not in pakistan or saudi arabia, they weren't in turkey or other muslim majority, but were in the u.k., and most of the protesters were non-muslims opposing the government invasion of iraq, it had a profound impact. it humanised people that i up until then defined as the other. >> then you were released from the prison in egypt. you go to london and are perceived bias ht and you realise -- by - as ht. not only did you leave the group, but you found groups in pakistan and islam to fight it. >> essentially islamism is the desire to impose a given interpretation of the faith of a seaty as distinct from the religion of islam, however one wants to practice it.

it's the desire for imposation, poll itisation of the faith. i came to realise that islamism was a grievance. up until that point i was aggrieved by foreign policy. islamism was the largest obstacle preventing muslim societies from progressing. i was someone driven by a sense of injustice. i wanted to seek for justice. that would entail challenging the islamist ideology. if i realised that it was an obstacle to the advancement of muslim society. we grounded quinn lamb. >> we have a question from a huer. jd rosen asks is reduction of drone war fair an effective countermeasure against new extremist recruitment? >> so i've been critical of

uab, drone strikes. if the policy is carrick cattured as democracy at the barrel of the gun, was bush's stance. if the leadership of al qaeda was dealt with by drone strikes, president obama felt he could deal with the problem. it's an ideology, an inurgency, not just an organization. president obama's organization said al qaeda inspired terrorist. it's the end product. >> you write in reference to al qaeda - you can't kill an idea. ideas are bulletproof. what is it that the united states can do. what can other moderate muslims do? can there be more organizations like quinn lamb to help in the struggle. >> you hit the nail on the head.

if we look at the combination of what happened, al qaeda achieved more since the death of osama bin laden since his lifetime. they controlled territory in yemen, mallie - they never did that during the life-time of osama bin laden. the targeted killings, air strikes haven't achieved what we wand - to do away with the band. we should try to make islamism as unattractive as soviet communism is today. that's an ideas debate. >> it's an incredible book. do. >> thank you for yore time. >> we'll be back with more of for instance, could striking workers in greece delay your retirement? i'm here to make the connections to your money real. real money with ali velshi tomorrow - 7 eastern on al jazeera america

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every year. the new book "history decoded," the 10 greatest conspiracy of all time brings facts and theories on the fascinating mysteries. take a look at the book's trailer. >> "history decoded" - councileding down the top 10 great -- counting down the top 10 greatest conspiracy. your chance to go deeper into the greatest victories. >> what if i told you after murdering abraham link job, the most -- link jornings the most famous asass sin lived for 10 nor years. >> fort knox - 40 million americans know someone who has seen a ufo. >> introducing brad's investigation into the truth assassination. >> brad meltzer co-wrote the book and is host of history

channel's, "decoded." you have made a career writing novels about conspiracy theories, and cohosted a show on the history channel. and this is going back to the 11th grade. >> in the 11th our history teacher told us we were going to see a movie. she put on a jfk conspiracy film. it is not a cooky one, but one that asks thoughtful questions. i remember watching it saying, "wait a minute, are you telling me it could be a set up, he may not have acted alone", the foundations of my brain was being kicked. when i did the book i dedicated it to my history teacher from the 11th grade. >> you end the book with the john f kennedy assassination. you include all sorts of historical documents that people pull out and look at the copies

of these things. one of the things you have is a telex showing that lee harvey oswald had been tracked by the assassination. >> well, we wanted to not just count down the top conspiracy, but show the evidence. let's talk about that. here is the jfk chapter. when you get there, all you have to do is open up the flap and you pull out the evidence. and you get, as you said - here is jfk's death certificate. you read it, and get the telex from the state department. here is lee harvey oswald, he's renouncing his u.s. citizenship. when you see the documents and pull them out. what i love about it is history comes to life and you make the happened. >> it's fun to pull out the documents on different conspiracies. you come across as a sceptic that there was any other shooter or anyone else involved other than lee harvey oswald.

you put out all sorts of evidence on both sides. you put out the arguments. in the end, do you think you'll convince anybody. >> this is what i think. everyone has their own idea, once you plant the seed of doubt, it's hard to get past that. the house select committee and others don't agree. have. >> there's a book that came out in the news this week where they talk about jfk's brain. i had no idea that his brain was not buried with jfk. is that true. the new book says bobby kennedy stole the brain from the national archives - something you wrote b. >> it's written by james swanson, my friend. my name is on the back, of the blurbed the book. the amazing part of the story is kennedy stole another kennedy's brain.

it's like a 1960s horror movie. and jfk's coffin is missing. when it was moved it was nicked. they wanted a pristine coffin in washed. they bought a new one. what do you do with the original? they threw it and dumped it into the sea. it went missing. the national archives told me the story, and people said it was unbelievable. >> i'm about as not a conspiracy theory guy, and when you hear these things you understand why so much noise, and confusion is about. there's so much stuff. in the ends. my question is how does a government which can't keep a secret for two days keep a secret about anything, like time. >> there are good questions to ask. you want to know what did lee harvey oswald do for two years in russia. it's a good question. he's unaccounted for for two years.

how did jack ruby get past the police into the police station and shoot lee harvey oswald. they are the right questions. the most telling moment much jfk - here is my theory. looking at the 1960s, we thought he was killed by the commupists, the russians, yk communists, russia russians, the cuban. the establishment or rich people. we thought our own government killed him, the cia. as the godfather movies come no jf catchment, it's the mob. decade by decade it's whoever we are afraid of that killed them. >> area 51, ros well, the ufa incident where the alien body was taken to area 51, the secret base in nevada. news on that this year. documents unclassified, and the

government was a little more open about what they do at area 51. again, 70 years later, why are people believing it. do the government have any incentive to keep any of this secret. if it had happened? >> the interesting part is a great conspiracy comes from fear, and it's something we don't want to face. the idea that we are not alone in the universe is terrifying and enthralling. what i was more focused on was, "don't give me the crazy person that believes they were abducted." do you know who saw a carter. i was fascinated that we put in the book the ros weld report. show me the report of what this guy on this day said he saw. you can see the redacted - read it for yourself. that. >> the government did a lot of things that made people - gave

people licence to come up with crazy ideas because they weren't open about as much of it as they should have been. >> gold at fort knox, it's almost as certain as death and taxes, right. >> here is the crazy part. this is one where i think icame out the other side. my goal is to give the information, the facts. the last time anyone saw the gold in fort knox was 1974. that's a crazy lopping time ago. -- long time ago. i wept, i spoke at -- i went. i spoke at fort knox and saw a colonel saying, "we'll get you in." the treasury department shut me down. we went to senator huddle ston, a senator. he was there the last time he went in and he said, "i don't know if there was gold." the securitiy guard said his gun didn't have bullets because it was empty. >> there has been no public audit since 1974.

it's not significant any more. it would be nothing, wouldn't put a dent in the debt. >> it's emotional. theoriesar. >> db cooper, who hijacked an aeroplane, jumped out, was never found. we think that we know who the guy was after all. and he survived the jump. >> we found - it was our theory in the book of who db cooper is, goes on a plane says give me $200,000, four par chutes, jumps out the back. to this day the only unsolved sky jacking. we found kenny christiansen, he said to his brother on his death bed, "i have something to tell you that i'm embarrassed about." his brother found a north-west pilot - digging difference for a living at one point. suddenly he has a bank account with over $150,000. >> he was a paratrooper. he could have made the jump.

>> he had military training. >> you start the book with john wilkes booth. i thought it was interesting. i had no idea there were theories about the fact that he survived. you come up with two characters. one of whom was mummified and was sent around the world as part of a circumstance us account for years. another guy - ut put his will - you put his will. john d will ks who moved to india and left money to john wilkes booth's kids. >> a couple of years ago i got a phone call from a lawyer for john wilkes booth's kids. the story is that john wilkes booth did not die in a barn in maryland, he lived, and escaped. he's not the one in the coffin. do you want to hear the story, brad.

"yes, i want to hear the story." we show people the while. why - because you can see a key detail. it's not signed. that's where you say, "is the story true or not." >> there's attempts by dna to determine whether it was booth or not. they have been rebusted by judges. exumation of his brother to get the dna. >> i held john wilkes booth's bops in my hand -- bones in my hand. you can do the dna test and match it on his brother who was there. the government says no. you have to stop and say, "why not say yes?" >> why do we care so much about the theories, and why do people want to believe them? >> people want to believe them to make sense of the universe. whether it's after a terrorist attack or the boston bombings, whatever it might be. whether it's jfk or 1865 abraham lincoln dying, these are moments

where parts of our psyches are chan and fall apart -- sap shaken and fall apart. we want something to blame it on. if not, one day, a guy like lee harvey oswald, a high school dropout can jack-knife the government. that's a scarier thought. >> it's scarier than not trusting your government, thinking they could be doing nef airious deeds. >> i say government don't lie, people lie. if you want to find out the government is lying, find the people and you'll find human answers. they are not sitting in a chair, stroking a cat to take over the world, but you'll find amazing stories. people want to find the secret truth, and they don't want to admit that sometimes it's reality. >> and people also don't keep secrets well. >> especially in washington. do you think anyone can keep a secret for two days these days. >> the book is a fun read. great to see you, "history decoded" is on bookshelves now.

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would you try a sport that

kills a frighteningly high percentage of people that regularly do it. extreme sports of old, stunt bike riders or skate borders used padding. something called wing suit flying is gaining popularity and there's not much protecting them other than nilon. take a look and listen. >> yes. >> whoah. >> that was a human being flying through that sign. now, there is no doubt that this is thrilling, but it carries a death rate six times higher than the deadliest profession in the u.s. what drives a person to an extreme sport, where one slight mistake could kill you? alexander is a pioneer in the sport of wing suit. we saw him doing the flying in the videos, believed to be the first successful wing suit targeted flights. he joins us. and yari claims about 4,000

jumps of his own, and is at the forefront of technology with a line of suits called birdman, intooeden. >> 6 to 7% of 3,000 or so jump suitors, the wing suit flyers die every year, the active ones. alexander the basic question is what in the world are you thinking? >> i mean, i have to pause you there. the way you started - honestly, i got frightened when you said the numbers. i think there's a big misconception. like, the way somebody can decide to ride a motorcycle, right, they can ride a bicycle and skip the scooter stage and go to the big bike. but when they fall on the big bike, you know, they probably will not die, but break a leg. this is where our sport is different. where we - we can't afford to fall and so forth.

to really take an emphasis on the preparation that has gone into this, you know, for me i did 1,500 sky dives in two years before i did my first base jump. with that, 20 hours of flying wind tunnel. i feel that, you know, when i did do my first base jump, i didn't have a doubt this my mind if i could pull it off or if i could do it, because to some extent i had done all my training and studying rigorously, because i do understand it is a sport where i'm not allowed to make the mistakes that in skateboarding and snow boarding or motocross you are allowed to make. >> we are not just talking about amateurs, these are some of the sports biggest names. we have the famous james bond jump, the fake queen elizabeth. >> absolutely.

>> he died and rooently, a couple of weeks ago victor kobats perished. yari does this make you think twice about making the jumps. >> you have the distinction with recreational sport and people that do it professionally. like in formula 1, the race that people can get hurt and die sometimes, it's, of course, higher than the people who are driving it normally with the cars, in the traffic. i think we should have this distinction here. >> but in formula 1 there's a lot of money. nascar - all the risky sports you can make money. how do athletes risking their lives doing the jumps get a big pay day? >> this is one thing for me personally. i know there are bigger names in the sport that i believe sometimes perhaps don't portray us in the best aspect. i can't see myself ever flying

for somebody else. i can fly and film and capture my magic with the idea of sharing the joy that i feel, but even the cave flight in spain, for me i wouldn't consider it a stunt or anything, you know. it was for me, by me. if anything a form of self-expression. >> we are looking at the cave dive now. it's an incredible dave, as you went through the -- dive as you went through the stone. there's no margin for error. the suits have to be an essential part of safety for them. this is what you work on, the suits, to make it as safe as possible tore them. >> that's -- possible for them. >> that's for sure. the suits and equipment are safe nowadays >> the danger is in the cliff that causes the accidents. i have too stress the point that

the people that do it - it's joy, incredible realisisation of human plight. for something for all of us. >> mark sutton and other jumpers that perished - there's a big difference between wing suit skydiving and base jumping meaning - yes, you are flying a wing suit, but my belief and my humble opinion here - the wath that you fly a wing suit in skydive, because the skydive is longer you adopt a lazy body position. i believe wing suits can be floep in two different -- flown in two different manners. i don't believe the old school of flies have this knowledge and specific requirements on how to do it in the safest manner possible. did when i fly down the mountain i have a checkbook of dos and

don't. >> how do you gear up for a jump in spain. how do you manage to control yourself in a way you get speed. >> it started with a previous video. i hit a pole, i hit a foam pole with the left wing - that's in another video. we wanted to take it further and see if we could build a sign 2 metres by 1 metre, and when i opened my rings, i'm about my height. i'm about 185, you know, six feet. i have about four or five inches of error margin between supporting poll on the 2013 flight. now, the two target flights, the two 2013 flights and the cave were three consecutive jumps done in the same day. so meaning i did my first 2013 flight. i didn't hit the center. i was not happy with it. i went back up.

i was able to do a second jump where i nailed it, hit the target straight on. the cave is at least four or five times bigger than that sign. and kind of like just knowing that i can, believing in myself. i think this is something that has been given to me by my father, that has allowed me to live an adventurous life believing in myself, believing that i can do it. when i hit the sign, there's no reason i can't go through the cave, the only thing preventing me is my mind and fear. >> true, and any minor amendments such as wind. what do the guys do and what do you put them through as you sell people your suits to prepare - work? >> it would be fair to go a little back in time and talk about the wind suit flying in general. about 100 years ago - 80 years

ago when they came up with a first wing suit it was dangerous, and it was until the point of the first commercial wing suit that we did in 1999. ever since we introduced the first commercial wing suit and a training program for that, and let's remember that the wing suit flying is for the experienced sky divers, people who have 200 jumps already or more. the wing suit flying has been safe. just as safe as the normal skydiving itself. then, of course, when we go to the base jumping we have more risks. skydivers have lots of training and the courses before they can handle the free fall. and then for the wing suits we have different training programs, and the sport in general is really safe. it would be fair to say that it's not so dangerous as you make it sound all the time. >> although looking at some of the things that alexander and

others have done, it's dangerous. what you are saying is people need to do a lot of sky dives with parachutes. they need to be comfortable in the air before trying anything like this. you can - you could have someone more recreationally use the wing suits at high altitudes jumping out of the plane before hoping a right. >> that's correct. normally we jump from the 4km altitude or 13,500 and fly for miles and miles for 30 minutes before opening the parachute. that can be safe. we have some rules and regulations that govern, that we have our par chute open at 650 metres. that gives us enough time to open the reserve parachute which obviously the guys doing the base jump don't have. >> when at the lower altitudes

and flying at more than 100 miles per hour , how do you stop? is it - the only thing you can do is get to a certain altitude and open a parachute. >> it's a basic guideline that you have while you fly. as a basic rule you disconnect early from the mountain, don't be greedy and fly the extra four seconds close to the ground, be on the conservative side and give yourself extra altitude for when you pull your par chute. >> it's breath taking to see what some of you do out there. it seems completely insane to me when you look at the numbers. >> humble. >> when you look at the numbers of how many died and people who were good at it. the highest percentage, dangerous sport that is loggings, less than 1% fatality. >> an interesting point - i was at the ims, the international

mountain summit and was able to speak with amazing climbers from around the world that accomplished amazing things. there's some number that of every 100 people that try to summit everest - about eight do not come down. 8%. that is a high number. i know date dit too. >> that's mt everest. >> you are close to that. it's fright thing. we'll have to leave it there, guy, thank you for an interesting kch. i wish you -- conversation, and i wish you the best. please stay safe. >> the show may be over but the conversation continues on the website. or on facebook or google+. you can find us on twitter. see you next time.

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