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this is al jazeera america live from new york city. i'm jonathan betz with the headlines this hour. things are returning to normal at los angeles international airport. one day after a tsa officer was shot and killed inside terminal 3. shooting delayed dozens of flights and affected 160,000 passengers. the pakistani government demanded a meeting with the u.s. ambassador. a drone attack killed the leader of the pakistan taliban. the government was worried it could impact ongoing peace talks. the website used to enrol president obama's health care program will be down. healthcare.gov will be offline
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from 9 o'clock eerp all the way until sunday morning at 9 o'clock. officials can sign up for insurance over the phone. >> thousands of red sox fans lined the streets of boston for a victory parade. the celebration was a third of its kind as boston won the series three times in the past 10 years. >> those are the headlines. i'll be back at 8 o'clock eastern. first, "fault line" collected all america's surveillance state is next. find us on line at aljazeera.com. have a good night. secrets are out. by now, most of the world has heard the name edward snowden.
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the former national security agency contractor who released thousands of classified documents about government surveillance in one of the most significant leaks in u.s. history. he's been charged with espionage and has been living in russia under temporary asylum. the american journalist at the center of the story lives in brazil. >> we've had to come to rio to speak to glenn greenwald. he hasn't returned to the united states since he broke the story about the nsa surveillance programs for fear of being prosecuted. >> the nsa's goal really is the elimination of privacy globally. it is literally a system designed to monitor all forms of human behavior inside the united states, which is the ultimate surveillance state.
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>> last december, glenn greenwald received an email from a person who didn't identify himself. >> we still didn't know who he was, where he worked, but he was saying he had access to large amounts of very sensitive surveillance information that show the united states government was violating the law and abusing it's power. >> suddenly in my lap had dropped some of the most potent instruments for shining a light on what it is that they are doing, beyond your wildest dreams as a journalist. i had literally, physically couldn't breathe at points because of excitement and shock. >> the source was edward snowden. >> the nsa specifically targets the communications of everyone. it ingests them by default. it collects them in it's system
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and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them. >> up to that point, the director of national intelligence, who oversees nearly 20 u.s. intelligence agencies, had been telling the public a different story. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. there are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly. >> after the snowden revelations, clapper apologized, explaining that he'd given the "least untruthful" answer. >> i sitting at my desk certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal email. >> so everything from learning all your metadata, with whom you're speaking, who's emailing you, where you are when you do it, how long you speak for, what
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your network of associations and friends are to being able to target multinational corporations around the world to tapping directly into the servers of the internet companies that the world is now using to communicate, facebook and skype and microsoft and apple, is all about this idea that there should be no electronic communications between human beings that are protected or free from the prying eyes of the nsa. >> meta-data means basic records about a communication: phone numbers, when calls are placed and how long they last. >> you don't have to have done anyting wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody even by a wrong call. and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made. >> the documents also showed that the nsa was listening to the phone calls of world leaders. >> i think the best way to summarize the nsa surveillance mindset is to quote general
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alexander who runs the agency. he had a motto when he was in iraq, in charge of surveillance of the iraqi population against whom the united states waged war, which was, collect it all. >> what do you say to the people who are like, i don't do anything wrong, i don't care if they see my emails or hear my calls? people who say that don't actually believe it. they put locks on their bedroom and bathroom doors. every time somebody says to me, i have nothing to hide, i don't care about privacy, i always say to them, please give me all the passwords to your email accounts and your facebook account. nobody has ever taken me up on that offer because we instinctively as human beings know that we crave privacy. j. edgar hoover had information on everybody in congress and the white house. this now is information on them and everybody in the country. and everybody in the world, really. >> before edward snowden, there was william binney: a former senior official at the nsa who helped develop some of the early technology being used in the data collection programs.
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>> he says 9/11 was a turning point for the agency. he left his job just weeks after the attacks, and became a whistleblower. >> with 9/11 everything changed here. some of them said this is a gift to nsa and what it meant was now we can just about get any kind of budget we want and build our nsa so much larger and get so many more contracts and so much more money and do so many more things and that's exactly what they did. >> when you actually have even private conversations with members of the agency, what you hear is 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. >> general alexander, can you give the best argument for how these programs actually work to protect americans? 9/11. connecting the dots. we need programs to connect the dots. >> but it didn't stop 9/11. is there a case where it did work? >> we didn't have the programs, >> i imagine there are some people who are so frightened,
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who are so scared that they feel that whatever the government might do including denying them their own civil liberties somehow is in order to protect them from the boogeymen who are lying underneath their bed. determining using some sort of subjective interpretation of their policy as to whether or not your particular report was actually abusive, because if it doesn't contain language that specifically threatens you directly or is targeted towards you specifically, they may not consider it abuse. they may consider it offensive. and in that case they just recommend that you block that person. >> i don't want to minimise this, because i mean, there's some really horrible things that are on line, and it's not - it's not just twitter, what has happened through social media
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and the anonymity of the net is that you see websites, hate-filled websites targetting all sorts of groups, popping up. there has been a huge number of those that exist as well. >> in many ways, the nsa surveillance story can seem abstract. in the stream of new revelations from the snowden documents, it can be hard to grasp. sure, the government is collecting information, but what does that really mean for someone's life? to find out, we went to a meet a
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group of people who definitely know they're being spied on. >> after 9/11 it wasn't just the nsa that increased surveillance on u.s. citizens. here at the city level in new york, the nypd actually brought in two senior officials from the cia to help run a program to spy on its own citizens. >> the program, which was uncovered by the associated press, is targeting one community: muslims. secret documents show that the nypd is conducting surveillance of entire muslim neighborhoods and infiltrating dozens of mosques and muslim student groups. >> they visited bookstores, they visited cafes, they visited hookah joints, and of course they visited mosques... >> informants record conversations using hidden microphones, collect the names and phone numbers of congregants and even photograph them. >> they were listening for, you know, what were people talking about, how were they reacting to foreign events abroad, you know, the egyptian revolution or you know, the cartoons about the
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prophet muhammed and the danish publication, what was the chatter, what were the imams saying in their sermons? >> to justify this, the nypd secretly labeled entire mosques as "terrorist organizations". >> so it was total surveillance, it was suspicion-less surveillance. in other words the nypd wasn't necessarily pursuing concrete, specific leads having to do with a criminal investigation or a crime, they were really engaged in a mapping effort. >> can i get a shwarma? >> everyone is a target, and every place is fair game, including this restaurant. it was listed in a secret nypd document as a "location of concern," along with other restaurants, cafes and bakeries in the area. all of them, the nypd says, communities that were affected today at the l
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ax shooting. we received three victims we are a trained medical center. zpl. wwe have lots of staff andy of blood to treat the patients weigh have seen. have -- we have seen. null one patient is in critical condition and two patients are in fair condition. that is all we have at this time. it's not clear at this time. it's not clear at this time. you can speak to the police they have up-to-date details. when they come to us we don't have identification. >> what type of gun shots? >> multiple areas. multiple areas. >> all three of the patients.
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>> multiple we have gu gunshotsd multiple injuries. >> the one critical is a gun shot and the other two. >> one is a gunshot and one is not. >> is there anything you can tell us about victims being taken to other hospitals. >> ei'm sorry i do not. can you go through exactly what you are saying in terms of the people that have been brought here to ucla. >> unfortunately it's so limited to yodue to privacy concerns. three male victims. two have suffered gunshot wound and another has other injuries. i can't characterize more. are they speaking. >> one is in critical and two in fair. fair patients you can speak to critical you cannot. >> are there fbi agents on site visiting with the victims.
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i can't comment on that don't know i'm sorry can you tell us why they were brought here today. >> sure. well when an event like this occurs, we prepare for as many as 50 victims. he iso we clear out rooms and gt ready and get all of your personnel and this is something we are well prepared to do. and as it turned out very thankfully we received only three. >> have you received any patients that have died? >> no three patients one krit critical and on two fair. can you tell us more about the description. their ages perhaps? >> unfortunately i can't due to privacy concerns and they are details i don't have. they come with little information and we take care of the injuries and move to the next patient. i'm sure that will be released later as we gather more information.
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>> do you have another ucla. no sir i'm not sure about that. it's unclear at this time. they came in and they were injured and we take care of them. zplthat's it. nul can you tell us about the injury? >> i can't. adult children? >> iadult male. >> when do you expect the two victims to be released? >> it's unclear. generally patients in fair condition after a traumatic injury situation would be in the hospital for one or two days. >> would it be fair to characterize their injuries to be non-life threatening. >> it's hard to estimate but at this time they appear to be non-life threatening. >> how about the other person. >> it could be life threatening.
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>> i'm sorry i have to go back in to take care of other patients. >> the critical patient can you say where the majority of the gunshot wounds are. >> the gunshot wounds are in a variety of areas. more updates are coming. i'm all done. null thank you have a great day. >> that is the trauma sar sergeant updating reporters a lone gunman walked into lax with a gun in a bag wounding 7 and jennifer london confirmed what you have been reporting throughout the afternoon? >> yes, as expected based on our earlier phone conversations with officals at ucla medical center,
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they have received three male patients that were injured in the shooting at lax. one they say whats in critical condition and two others are in fair condition. they say one of the injuries is not a gunshot injury. zbrrnbut she would not elaborate repeatedly cited privacy concerns around the patient. she gave us little information other than to know they were treating three patients one critically. they are all male patients but she said they were not children. that is what we know in the ucla medical center. >> we can confirm from the video that we have seen that at least of two those that were injured appear to be tsa agents because they are wearing the bright blew blew blue shirts indicative of the tsa. one appears to be more injured
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and the other. it's been difficult to nail down. i know in los angeles there are news reports that there has been one fatality. >> it seems to under kat indicate from what i hear the doctors say, they would have been the place the person would have been brought to if they were wounded. >> what she seems to be saying they have one in critical condition which means a life and death situation but not necessarily dead. >> correct. she didn't actual wil elaborate on the extent of the injuries a all del. one is critical and could potentially be life threatening. thus being listed in critical condition the others in fair condition. but she did couch it to say i need to be very i hav very, verl because this is a fluid situation and their condition could change.
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she previously cited prief you iprivacyconcerns as to why showt willing to to share information. they are being fai careful becae of the privacy concerns. >> as this event has unfolded we have had dr. todd curtis on the phone he is a transportation contricontributor who specializn transportation security situations. zbrrnlingdr. curtis, what you ae hearing? >> what i'm hearing, well first which has been repeated by authorities. things are stable. there doesn't seem to be an active threat going on right now. they are bringing the airport back to a semblance of normal. as to the injuries or possible deaths. that is consistent with the kind of restrictions that both the
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medical community has when it comes to regulations over patient privacy and what law enforcement has with respect to treug trying to execute the investigation and not let out any information that will compromise the investigation. what i'm not hearing from the interviews is they are withholding information unnecessarily. we would as passengers and citizens and viewers like to get more information. zblrng thithis is one of the sis that it will have to be resolved over time, perhaps in a day or so. we'll have answers as to whether or not anyone was killed and who this alleged gun man was and whether he had an identifiable motive for doing so. >> dr. curtis, there will be plenty of time for second guessing and iff iffy if eventse there will be plenty of time for second guessing. what you hear so far does this
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appear to be a situation that is being held by the book. >> i would say so. what do you do when you have an attack. there was no obvious throat thrt going on. there was no heightened threat level. it was just a typical day at los angeles airport. and someone pulls out a bag and starts shooing. shoo -- shooting. the law enforcement people there took control of the situation and not only neutralized the gunman but did their best to to make sure that the people were safe. an for thand for the most part e passengers under control until they could determine whether they had information if they were under threat. some guests earlier took trust had
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frustration with the time it took to clear everyone. that is what happens sub subsequent to something like this happening at an airport. >> i want to go back to maria innes ferria. what is the latest? >> we are seeing what josh has been tweeting. and he has been tweeting inside of bradly international terminal. zblsm lotlots of people being qd and having identity confirmed by police . he tweeted a few moments ago. currently in tbism t a waiting instruction by police. zblnl wwe are now being told wee being rescreened by the tsa and t. tibt.
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and he just twoate tweeted a har ago. the los angeles lapd says the area is still under investigation and will not let us leave the area. he writes the following. filling up in the secure area mostly calm now but people upset. >> we want to show you what johnathan paul is twoating. tweeting. null water and milk is being rationed at lax for stranded passengers at bradley terminal. he has another picture here. he writes, help here, ref go refugee camp. >> he is writing stranded passengers. a waiting news at bradly terminal. let's get to know each other says the p.a. announcer hash tag lax. he tweeted something here. guy mumble loudly while shooting
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in gate area. shooting downward as people ran away. earlier he tweeted several choppers overhead, terminal closed and passengers getting bused to bradley terminal. and to john foreman earlier had been tweeting some images they had been getting their newscast from their cell phones. he wrote here, no water or food where we are being held. just gave a water bottle to a woman with a baby, del. >> maria thank you so much. this is unfolding on our air airwaves. we saw a gun on the floor and a officer next to the gun. we saw people leaving the terminal and images of tsa agent wounded. officially this is what we know right now. zpl. this was a shooting at 9:20 this morning at lax. it took place in terminal 3. the gunman is in custody and the situation is now said to be
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, >> they just wrapped up a press conference. paul cianca a 23 year-old man who was dropped off yesterday morning at lax plier tx prior te shooting. walked into the prescreening area and pulled out an assault rooifl anrifle and killing a ts. the spe suspect went on an he escalator. three people were shot and two
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