and the 11th month, today is veteran's day. so say thanks. iran where they seem to be moving forward. in your estimate, how close are we getting to that point where iran is extremely close to building a bomb? >> well, i think that it is fair to say that iran likely already possesses the technical wherewithal to produce a bomb, it is just how long would it take them? there are a number of debates over this and those debates hinge on assumptions that are junoable, but if we are -- that are unknowable. but if we are looking to the two

enrich facilities that they have, if they do not have some secret facility that we know nothing about, then we are capable of -- of preventing a breakout, simply by doing what we are doing, which is to keep those places under safeguards, under inspections and then having those inspections happen routinely enough that if they were to try to break out, we would detect that before they could make enough material for a weapon. now if they have a secret facility, all bets are off. and that is why i think that we need to take -- that is why a critical component of the negotiating process has to be to create greater transparency, the more that we monitor their declared facilities and then for the iaea to carry out inspections of suspicious iranian locations and to ensure

that there are no parallel secret programs, that is really the key to greater confidence that iran is not making a bomb, more that any of the other discussing. >> robert, thank you for your insights tonight. a reminder for you at home you are watching the continuous coverage of the geneva talks, no deal reached tonight after days of negotiations with iran over their nuclear ambitions and phil stands by for us from geneva with new developments, i understand, about the meetings later this month, phil? >> yes, jonathan. already we're hearing a little bit more about the specifics of november the 20th and the resumption of these talks. what is interesting to note it is that it had not be the heavy hitters who will be coming back here. way are hearing from a number of sources but foreign ministry says that it will be a secondary tier and so

we're looking at an under secretary of state, wendy sherman presumably who started these talks here, and then we'll see deputy foreign ministers coming to town on the 20th and that takes down the pressure cooker that was the atmosphere here once everybody and their dog started to show up. but perhaps that will now allow for a little bit more progress because, you know, the spotlight has really been on these talks with all of these, you know, town. >> yes, secretary kerry showing up unexpectedly yesterday to salvage these talks it is widely understood and so what does it mean now that we'll see the deputy foreign ministers now picking up these negotiations? >> well, you are absolutely right. i mean secretary of state john kerry showing up, that really changed the atmosphere here.

when katherine ashton, the eu reboundtive, -- representative asked him to come, it was expected that he would help to narrow gaps but when he showed up we heard that the french foreign minister decided to come as well and then following that it was a snowball effect, the british and then german foreign minister said that they had to be there and then late last night or now actually friday night we heard that the russian foreign minister would be coming and then when you get these very powerful individuals around the table, you know, they have a lot of -- of power and a lot of concerns that go beyond just negotiations here on the ground. they've got to answer directly to their heads of state. and so, you know, this really put things into a microscope that the atmosphere changed here significantly once these guys started to show up.

and, of course, the fact that the french foreign minister showed up and apparently really threw a wrench in the works by standing strong on some issues, that significantly changed the course of these negotiations, apparently, and that will not be a issue as these kind of more operational individuals show up on the 20th and then deal with some of the more nitty gritty without the entourages and the late night phone calls back to the kremlin, the white house or to white hall in london and so that takes the pressure off a little bit but the pressure still will be significant because it is a hugely important issue. jonathan? >> clearly. we're awaiting secretary kerry to come from out of those doors and speak of these recent developments

and robert from the kennedy school at harvard, i wanted to get your thoughts on that. on the meeting on the 20th it will be ministers. is that, in some way, a setback? >> i agree pretty with everything that phil just said. it does not surprise me at all because it is a major deal when you start to bring in the heavy hitters. when you see the foreign ministers from the p5 plus one countries showing up it sends a signal that a deal is imminent. you do not fly secretary of state kerry to geneva unless there is to be ink to paper which is what highlights then what a blow it was when a deal was not reached and, when it was, the french who were the ones that seemed to throw a curveball rather than it coming

from the iranian side. and so i think that this is obviously going to go back to the routine level, which is still a relatively high level diplomatically, and if we see -- and i think that they will be very cautious about when they are going to start bringing foreign ministers in again to make sure that there is really going to be a deal. >> okay. we'll see what happens. robert, thank you for joining us. we'll take a quick break. this is aljazeera. a quick break and then we'll return after the break.

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including yours. consider this unconventional wisdom weeknights - 10 eastern on al jazeera america >> from our headquarters in new york, here are the headlines this hour. >> al jazeera america is the only news channel that brings you live news at the top of every hour. >> a deal in the senate may be at hand and just in the nick of time. >> thousands of new yorkers are marching in solidarity. >> we're following multiple developments on syria at this hour. >> every hour from reporters stationed around the world and across the country. >> only on al jazeera america. far as the meeting on the 20th , it shows that there is some common ground and some progress has been made in the last three days and the question of whether or not they can go now to their separate capitals, reconvene, have a little talk amongst themselves and, you know, amongst their own camps, well, that may reinvigorate

things or give them a breath of fresh air getting away from the pressure cooker and then come back from this brief intermission with refreshed energy and a little bit of reflection, then have the opportunity to approach this in a different manner without without all of the big boys in town. and so there's still very much a possibility that this will go. and we do know that pretty every party has said that they are determined to at least find some way forward. and that includes the iranians an it includes the united states. and so the will is still there. it is just a matter of sorting out whatever these issues are that are outstanding, stops what was hoped to be some more concrete progress from the talks that have been going on for the jonathan? >> yes, and, phil, you mentioned that these negotiations were really over a temporary freeze

of the iranian nuclear program. any indication that the terms may now be shifting a lift bit? >> well, certainly the things that the french foreign minister came out and said were those thins that were stopping him from signing onto the deal, the heavy water plant in iraq -- or of iran, and the stockpile of enriched uranium, that has to be dealt with. that is what kept the french from signing on and is what ended up with no concrete agreement here and it has to be stressed that this was never expected to be the conclusion of talks, this is the start of a process. that is what everyone said when they came to town in geneva. this is not the end, this is the beginning, they would say. and so this is still very much a

first step, as they say. it is just a first step which has been delayed, it appears, by a lack of agreement on the ground during this round of talks. jonathan? >> okay, phil, live from geneva, thank you. we're still watching those doors awaiting secretary of state kerry to emerge and when he does we'll bring that to you live: now to another huge story, this from the philippines where the last three days have been devastating for them as the typhoon roared through on thursday killing an estimated 1200 people and tonight the death toll is climbing, families are still trapped in flooded homes and hardest hit is a city about 350 miles south of the capital of manila, it has no electricity and no way of communicating. the typhoon was one of the most powerful

storms on record. gusts from the wind reached 235 miles per hour.

and then the water just started coming. >> the survivors are desperate. >> we're opening as many stores as we can. there is some looting that is going on. and we're doing as much as we can. and trying to secure power and water, which are the basics. >> reporter: with communications down and roads out, emergency organizations are struggling to organize relief. the philippines military only has three hercules to bring soldiers, medicine and aid. >> we're bringing food, medicine, water, filtration plants, water bags, and we're also bringing body bags. a lot of people are dead, and we want to make sure that we manage the condition of the dead. >> reporter: people are starting to identify bodies.

the full human cost will take some time to count. >> we're not prepared to say how much at this point in time. >> reporter: it's hard to overstate the devastation here. one united nation's official compared it to the 200 2004 indian ocean tsunami. there was an one-mile wide inlet where everything was destroyed. there was no preparing for this. al jazeera, manila. >> and i want to go back to geneva because we think secretary kerry is about to speak any moment now. no deal reached with iran. let's listen in. >> good morning to everybody. and

thank you for hanging in here with all of us in what has been a very long and interesting process, but a very productive one if i can say so. i want to thank my colleagues from the united kingdom, germany, france, russia and china, and i want to thank lady katherine ashton for her leadership and for the european's unions convening all of us here in order to perform this very important business of trying to deal with the question of a country's potential move towards nuclear weapons, and obviously the commitment by the president, and by all of the member states p-5 plus one and others in the world to make certain that that doesn't happen, that iran does not get a nuclear weapon. i want to say that the negotiations were conducted with mutual respect.

they were very serious. but they were conducted in a civil and appropriate way for a subject as serious as this one. we came to geneva determined as president obama said his goal since day one as president to make certain that iran does not acquire a nuclear weapon. that remains our goal because we remain committed to preventing the proliferation of weapons 6 mass destruction and we remain committed to protecting our allies. particularly our allies in that region where security is so critical. we also are committed to protecting our interests in the world of the consequences of the spread of these weapons.

we came to geneva to narrow the differences. and i can tell you without any exaggeration not only we narrowed differences and clarified those that remained, but we made significant progress in working through the approaches to this question of how one reins in a program and guarantees it's peaceful nature. there is no question in my mind that we are closer now as we leave geneva than we were when we came, and that with good work and good faith over the course of the next weeks we can , in fact, secure our goal. over the last two days a significant amount of progress was made. i'm impressed and grateful in the way that the p-5 countries

worked effectively together. their teams worked effectively together. i think tonight there was an unity in our position and an unity in the purpose as we leave here. we're committed to having political directors, i think lady katherine ashton shared this with you, to meet in the next few days and we're committed to returning as necessary somewhere in the next weeks hopefully with a goal of either building what was done today or completing the task. let me just say that for those who are wondering about this kind of process, it takes time to build confidence between countries that have really been at odds with each other for a long time now. in the case of iran since 1979. and so we're working hard to try to overcome thi mistrust, to build

confidence, to try to find the ways that both the p-5 plus one and the united states and iran have the ability to be able to achieve this goal of ascertai ascertaining for certain without doubt that a program is a peaceful nuclear program. diplomacy takes time, and all the parties here need time to fully consider the issues. very complicated technical difficult issues that we discussed here in the last days.

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>> that's a really hard question. >> if he were alive today. >> i know he would talk about the vast unemployment among the black community. >> he would focus on black autonomy and want us to establish ourselves as an independent community straight from the status quo. >> i think he's speaking out against humanistic situations for people as a whole, not just african-american. >> we're talking about malcolm x's legacy and his iconic message to the grassroots speech.

herb, what do you think the focus of malcolm x's attention would be if he were alive today? >> well, it's hard to speculate, but i think there are some indications in the last days of his life where he was going because ever evolving. i just finished editing the diary of malcolm x with his third eldest daughter. some of the stuff that was there was indicative of where he was going. his legacy is only as good as his people who evoke his name, read his books, and carry on his struggles. who are those people? what are we doing to carry that on? i know of a number of folks, we are sons of malcolm and daughters of malcolm. we have the responsibility of grabbing that legacy and pushing

it into the next generation. and to a great extent that's what we're doing. it's as morning as those people who grasp it and push it into the next generation. we have that obligation. it was said very well, you know, each generation out of relative obscurity must either betray or fulfill that mission. i think we're fulfilling that mission in certainly many different ways. >> there has been criticism and push back. malik said there many nationalist scholar who is could add to this discussion other than cornell west, and angel said i don't buy any of this, the quote/unquote man does not bring blacks, latinos down, however, that's proof that we're not in a post race society.

and not while black kids are being shot at. professor west, what is your response to this argument that people say, you know what, we live in a post race society. lisa talked about it. barack obama has been elected twice. we have kanye, we have venus, and everyone is just complaining and talking about victimization. what is your push back to that? >> that's just right wing emptiness, brother. if you look at the blight of precious black poor people. you see deepen racial structures. we've lost two generations because of a deep ly racial criminal justice system. and we have two different types of educations one is deeply class based and the other is race based. the other voice of black nationalism on this show i think the critique is right.

i'm not a nationalist. i support black nationalis nationalism. it doesn't mean that i exclude myself from the conversation. brother herb is right. i'm part of the legacy of malcolm x. i'm a radical internationalist which means i bring critique on american nationalism, black nationalism, and that's what i would say to my friendly critics critics. >> who is the embodiyment of malcolm x? >> i could look at a come positivity of individuals and institutions and organizations who have done a good job of capturing the spirit that malcolm left behind. right in the harlem community, for example, we have a number of individuals up there who day in and day out out there on the

front line struggling. they're nameless, sometimes voiceless, but they're out there. at city college, right now we have a struggle going on, you mentioned mcbride out at detroit. i just heard about this situation. i grew up in detroit, so i know the kind of desperation that is going on there. but we have the center there that has been closed down by the administration saying no, no, no. that's the spirit of malcolm x. >> thanks to our guests and our online community. great discussion tonight. we'll see you online.

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