go to our website at www.aljazeera.com. thank you for your time. mexico and the rest of the country? lisa fletcher it away, and my man is stepping in as coost. and look, omar, nothing is nowhere contentious as abortion, and this might reflect t.

>> there are a lot of people weighing in with strong feelings, and we have a tweet from kate: and, we have lynn: of course, for those of you at home, we want you to be part of this conversation, and don't forget to tweet us at the hashtag that you see on the screen right now. >> albuquerque is set to vote on this issue next tuesday, and if passed, it bans pregnancy after 2 20 weeks except in cases of rape or incest. three have bans, but albuquerque would be the first in the united states to approve such a ban.

the ban would be felt statewide, as albuquerque is the only city in new mexico that offersbortionings offersabortion at or after 20 w. who should have a say? tonight, joining me. lila rose, and tara bresler, the editor of think progress, who has been covering this for a while. and antoinette, a professor in albuquerque. and is this the first time about watching ajam stream, we're all about access. we use google and i'm going to start with you, as mentioned in july, texas joined 12 other states that approved a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of

pregnancy, and what does the vote in albuquerque mean for the statewide legislation? >> well, albuquerque is the only city that has a clinic that will do these midterm abortions at 20 weeks, and if they're successful, the clinics would have to move elsewhere within the state, or move to another county in the state. but what i think will happen, there will probably be an immediate motion for an injunction to stop the implementation of this ordinance. >> when looking for a federal law, a lot of people say roe v. wade, supreme court decision, a woman has a fund me fundamentalo have an dortion, and isn't this a debate? >> it's a 7-2 decision, and what roe v. wade

said, it's a paramount interest in protecting a potential for human life, but the paramount interest is a woman's health. and that hasn't changed. so i think that it's going to be -- so what has happened is a lot of states have legislated at the borders of those interests, and what happens with this attempt . >> antoinette, thank you for that, and i know facebook messages and tweets have been coming in all day, and what are they say? >> there's annoying committee. the reason we're so effective in albuquerque for late-term abortion and now with the election process, they're focus on the base, the christian

churches, the catholic churches and like-minded people. and so we really have focused on those we know are already pro-life, and who oppose killing babies in the womb. especially in the later stages of pregnancy, which is what we're dealing with here in albuquerque. >> linda, what do you think, how places? >> well, it's all connected, there's a grassroots movement in the country that says this is a human being in the womb. and at 20 weeks, the majority of doctors believe that this child can feel pain, so to rip that child apart or inject poison into that child's heart, and even injecting it into the child's bottom. horrific stuff to torture this child to death, these are barbaric

acts, and nothing justifies it. and we mentioned roe v. wade. and even options, consent forms, they say that after 18 weeks, the abortion procedure is more dangerous than carrying to term. so these are really dangerous procedures for women. she's in labor, and they're ripping the child out of her womb and this is dangerous, and it's more dangerous than carrying to term. and that's why most people are agreeing and people in albuquerque are saying, we have it stop these barbaric practices, women deserve better, and children deserve better. >> the bill makes exceptions for life exceptions, but the standard for roe v. wade is for the mother. and what do you find different about albuquerque? >> i think it's a basic level,

it's great to ensure that women's lives are not going to be put at risk by denying them to medical care, is i guess that one narrow exception that's great. but really, when it comes to these kinds of procedures, there are other sorts of desperate circumstances under which women may need this late-term abortion care. often women discover fatal, really serious fetal abnormalities after the point of 20 weeks of pregnancy, and often they have to make a heartbreaking choice to terminate a wanted pregnancy, and that's an action that's not really being addressed with this type of legislation. there are other cases to which there are severely economically disadvantaged women, and they're trying to scrape together the money to get an abortion earlier, and they run out of time. and these are desperate women it we're talking about.

and a cruel piece of legislation that would deny them medical care in those circumstances. >> i'll have lila respond. >> i think that you misunderstood what i said. i think that's a constitutional problem with the ordinance. ordinance said that an exception may be used to save a woman's life. and the standard in row v raid is to protect a woman's health. >> let's talk about women's health. and tara didn't respond to the abortion clinics making 8 to $12,000 on these horrific late-term abortion, and they say in their own consent form, that after 18 weeks, after 18 weeks, these abortions are more dangerous, more dangerous than carrying to term. and let that sink in, and why is that? let's think about what this procedure does.

we all deserve to know what happens in these procedures, and that's why i say without a shadow of a doubt that abortion is not medical care. and we document on tape, they give them labor inducing drugs, and give them poison, and tear the children, limb from torso in excruciating pain, and they send the women to a hotel room to wait for the baby to be delivered. sit on the toilet and leave the door unlocked and don't look down. this is not women's health. >> let's talk about rape and incest. i think that any wom woman of rape and incest needs care, but the child is innocent. and the child does not deserve the death penalty because of the sins of the father.

and when you tell a woman you've had a rape, you should have an abortion, and that's only going to add violence. you think that's going to help her recover from the rape? we're lying to ourselves to say that it helps women emotionally or psychologically or spiritually to say it, go have an abortion. >> we want to bring in the third host of the show, omar, what what's the community saying in. >> teddy says: it's a question that we could get into later on. >> we're just getting started. where's the line between anti-abortion and mob mentality and intimidation. join the conversation as the third host of the show.

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>> you can feel pain. the government should protect you from being destroyed by ababortion, which i imagine would be a painful way to die. >> these are not about allowing women to make informed choices. they are about attacking basic american freedoms.

>> does this fight sound familiar? the same fight being fought in albuquerque, played out by lindsay davis last week. and we ask you if there will ever be a middle ground for this age old debate. do we have any hope here? medical says: and we have melanie: >> what do you think? ground? >> if we're really talking middle ground. abortions at 20 weeks. it sounds very middle. but the discussion shouldn't be about middle ground. it should be about human

rights, and this idea that abortion is an american freedom. i think that's perverse. women's empowerment shouldn't be reduced to be able to kill our children. this idea that we're empowered through abortion is a lie. are women being empowered by boyfriends taking them to a clinic saying you have to do this, and bosses saying you're not going to get the promotion. there are so many cases but in every case, you see in the more severe cases, desperation, i have to do this. we can do better as women than to kill children, especially these children that are feeling the pain. [ talking at the same time ] >> antoinette, what are the consequences to women's rights if this passes? >> well, i don't like a

government that has control over women's bodies like china. that's one of the beautiful things that roe v. wade did in my mind, making sure that the government doesn't have the government to coerce women one way or the other. in china, they're forcing some of the history is that they force women to have abortions, and that, for me, is unacceptable. >> all right, i want to go to community first. tara, before i give you the chance to jump into this conversation, i have a couple of things for you to look at as well. ivy on facebook: and i also have this video comment from teddy. look at this. >> there are several reasons why the proposed ban on abortion problematic. it's unconstitutional, and being justified as pseudo science, but what i find most disturbing is it would cause a serious lack of access to reproductive

healthcare for women, not just in albuquerque, but in new mexico and throughout the southwest region, as well as having a disproportionate affect on low income women. >> so tara, do you think that there are regional implications? >> i think that both of those are excellent points. important thing to understand about albuquerque. while it's potentially the first localized city wide ban, it would have huge implications for women not only in new mexico but in other states as well.

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