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then we have brandon. pakistan wants what the u.s. has but hates what they stand for. and here is my favorite comment on facebook. united states has had an arranged marriage, they are always in court filing before divorce, by the end of staying married, but living separated but america still has to pay child support, after all there was love at some point. >> and the kids being the people of both countries totally confused. >> . >> drones, nukes, the talibans and anti-sentiments. these are just some of the issues that are complicated the fractures u.s. pakistan alliance since 9/11. pakistan is a recipient of a huge chunk of military aid. but mutual mistrust and the arms of groups brought into questions whether both countries stage share a strategic effort. many americans view pack scan a country of 200 million people

exclusively through the helps of violence. while many harbor conspiracy theories about america's role in the world. so how fragile is the alliance and what is it's future? to discuss this, we are joined by daniel marquise. at the council on foreign relations and author of no exit from pakistan america's tortured relationship with islamabad. founding member of the movement for justice party. that is is centralist and major political party in pakistan. and a journalist and the author of the book the faithful scribe, a story of slam, family, and war. thank you for being here. so why -- some of the threats that are based in pakistan. i think most americans are pretty familiar with the problem of terrorism, certainly because of al quaida, but it goats

deeper than that. america is al vulnerable because pakistan is not just any average state or a poor state with a terrorist problem, it is also a nuclear armed nation. of as you put it around 200 million people, likely to be something over 300 million by mid century. so this is a challenge. and it's also a region an important region near india, near kind that, the arabian sea, that will be of increasing significance. i think to the world, but a also to u.s. interests. >> i want to get more into the nuclear issue. sha happen, first i want to mention in the open of the show, by several of our viewers, which was this general confusion among pakistanis and americans what is going on. two prime minister came to washington, he met with the president, what do you think the closed door conversation was like between president obama, and the pakistani prime minister? >> well, the closed door

conversation is probably a lot different than what people on both sides hear. and that is part of the problem. because what was discussed often inside -- in these meetings and then there's obviously fall out from these meetings and it just doesn't seem to match up. the rhetoric and then what people see on the ground. and it wasn't just the meeting that just took place, this is kind of a trend for the past decade. and that's what leads to a lot of confusion on both sides. we saw the perfect example of that with the drone strike that followed less than a week than the prime minister left washington. and both sides bickered for a while, and it went away, and but then that was the end of it. and that seems to happen again and again. >> but do you know why they are different.

h i think specifically on the drone issue, this is an issue that has evolved over time. 2004 was the fist drone strike that killed nick mo hamed in pakistan. and since then, pakistan's government has tried to deal with the problem of drones, and has tried to deal in multiple ways. but as you said, each time, there's a question of whether it is being truthful to the people of pakistan. and the answer has been no. i would say that probably prime minister has gotten closer in private to the kinds of things he said to president obama then his predecessors were. there's a truth on the inside, and a truth on the outside, i think that's cutting closer than it was in the past. >>

he says i am not a on the one hand, pakistan produces taliban, and on the other it gives funds to track them down. geopolitics is lost of the the understanding of moat u.s. voters. let alone nuke dynamics. speaking about pakistan history, this relationship goes back 60 years. often times we put a time stamp on it, but for 60 years people have been seeing a pattern. there's befrail on both sides so the question i have for you, is there even an alliance, and if there is an alliance, what is the shared objective here. >> okay. well, you see the thing the way i look at it there's been likely set that there are no permanent presence ships in politics. it is all about permanence interests. the thing is that the united states and pakistan, traditionally, they have had a relationship since the

time of the pakistan became an independent country. there has been ups and downs. and it's always been about interests. now, the u.s. obviously has its objectives in the region. pakistan is willing to cooperate, up to a certain degree. and i think where the u.s. feels that it has leveraged enforcing its foreign policy decisions or getting the pakistan government or the establishment to cooperate with them, it's fine, it works because they give aid to pack stan, it works to a certain point. but then pakistan has it's interest as well. and you know what the main bone of contention that the majority, the vast majority of pakistanis see today in our relations with the united states, is the drone strikes. you know, it is a violation of international. of sovereignty, and pakistan is suffering, first hand.

on this war of terrorism, that unilaterally it was a decision made by a military dictator at the time, that 9/11 happened. so people want peace in pakistan. pakistan -- they want to get out of this mess. there is no fault of the pakistanis that 9/11 happened. so the point is if we look at things the way they are today, there needs to be a peace dialog. with these people, who claim themselves to be -- >> i want to get you to jump in on this. suggesting that the u.s. is getting leverage, for military and for economic gain. the former pakistani ambassador says that is not the case. what is your opinion on this. >> well, i think in these conversations we often tend to gloss over the actual cooperation that does take place. and has been taking

place. even if we look at the war in afghanistan. pakistan initially the united states and pakistan reached a very concrete plan. and an agreement in the very beginning. when president bush reached an agreement, which was the pakistan would cooperate in three areas can was logistics, supplying the american military, with the equipment they needed with air space, that pakistan would grant the americans air space access. and then the third one was sharing. in all three areas 24 actually amazing that in 12 years how consistently pakistan and america have worked together. america has consistently used american air space. for the 12 years has supplied american soldiers with everything they need, from frozen food, to blankets, and there has been more arrests with the help of

intelligence sharing, cooperation than -- >> i am going to get some -- >> if you don't mind, united states is an ally that is helping pakistan's economy, and it ease war against terrorism, but it is an enemy in the case of drones killing innocents. and then we with have same say they were never our friends and never will be. and then first world says pakistanis from an international rate society of religious extremists. i want to get your comments on this, the founder of the terrorist group, openly hosts popular rallies. bin laden was found a mile from military come pound, and many people say that pakistan government is harboring extremists. so what is your response so the contention that it is the drone strikes in. >> well, look, i think the drone strikes are on -- i agree with her in a narrow sense. drone strikes have increasingly taken to united states to difficult territory, in the feelings with pakistan. because now it is the

case of the parliament of pakistan, the prime minister, and i think some significant portion think that it is a violation of their territorial sovereignty, whereas in the past we had private arrangements to continue this, now i think the private message and the public message is essentially bring these done strikes to an end. so that i think is right, and i has put the united states in a tougher bind. but the dredge strikes are not the root of this, there are many different roots from an american perspective, and the people that have written into you, show that they look back and they say 9/11 is the root of this. and throughout the past over a decade now, pakistan has done all too little from an american perspective, to deal waythat specific problem. and the killing of bin laden and the way that he was killed specifically i for many americans proves that point beyond all reasonable doubt. >> the perception of america includes so many conspiracy theories think

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both sides reflect whatn is going on behind closed doors. give us your take on what america looks like through pakistani eyes. >> all right. the majority of pakistanis are very anti-america. and i find it us and bushing also. because i have lived in this country, and i have lived in pakistan. and i know -- not just pakistan, but all over the world, people love american food, they love american entertainment, they want to see the movies. they love to go to an american university. everything is liked. but when it comes to foreign policy, and the reed that the american governments or the c.i.a., or the agencies play in these different countries, that is the perception, and reality it seems like they

have imperialist tendencies. and they are responsible for the unrest or the wars being raised in those countries. but pakistan is one of those countries as well. people there think that america is there because america is islam. although, i think there is so many commonalities that both of these countries can work on, and build them, and they should be more people to spear interaction. >> . >> sha happen, when you arrived in islamabad, there was a cell phone outage. and people on the ground were blaming americans. it makes you wonder why do these theories exist. talk about the antiamerican sentiments. particularly the conspiracy theories.

>> well -- yes, and -- the sun is about to rise over islamabad and i hope today is better than the last few. which is right next to islamabad between shiites and sunnies because the shiites were commemorating, as they have been there for 14 years the martyr come for some of the families. and even in that, it is amazing that if americans think they don't get embroiled in this. at the center of this, is this inability for pakistanis to understand what americans are going through with this war, because americans are going through a lot with this war. and for americans to understand what pakistani is going through. it is difficult to separate what happens this weekend, arrived this weekend, to the raid.

to the raid on the red mosque in 2007. all the way back to 2001. the fact is that pakistanis have been living in this war for the last decade, and it becomes very difficult for people living inside that war, to compartment lose all this violence, and all this distress into different compartments. this is because of america, but minute, and this is not. and it becomes difficult. >> look, #pakistan, a beautiful country with loving people, magnificent scenery, a paradise. when i think of pakistani think of malal. a voice of peace and violence. abdul says there is no such thing as bin laden. the ceo. one of the most important

aspects of u.s. policy was and drone efforts. especially with the military tolls. this has created such a great mistruss. i don't think they realize how much an effect this has on the perception of the united states within pakistani public. >> i gave a talk at the university opened up. they said the den guy virus was a cia plot. >> sure. >> everyone from the tailor to the engineer, has their own conspiracy theories they bring their own evidence. talk to us how this has really hurt the u.s. pakistan relations? >> there's no doubt. it hurts in so many different ways. if you take a simple one, the united states attempted over the past several years to do a lot in the way of development assistance.

this would be hard in any country. imagine doing that with u.s.a. officials trying to operate in a country where they feel that they are widely hated. it makes earn very similar things broadly hated. this is not a post 9/11 outcome. the antiamericannism has very deep roots and in some ways going back to the early 19 point's. but some pakistanis, who were saying would love to have their children educated here are very frustrated and feel hatred for supporting pakistans military dictators. still others believe from one of your writers that bin laden doesn't p exist, or didn't exist, and this is all a conspiracy, and this is sort of

a jihaddist. >> right, so you get all different kinds. >> they have decades of experience. >> not all of the misinstruction is unwarranted. this growing mistrust and why that exists? >> right, i see i also wanted to just add to the comments that were made. >> we are going to run out of times. so just on the polio vaccine. >> okay, thank you. >> that's right. >> okay, so you see the polio vaccine. now what has happened is that there are just so many players in this field at the moment. there's all kinds of people crossing the boarders into pakistan. there's a lot of foreign funded elements that are causing responsible for the terrorists attacks and so on and so forth. so what happens is that there have been cases like raymond davis, and i'm -- i also hold the government of pakistan

responsible for issuing reasons to people who were spies in pakistan. so there is this trust deficit. they don't know. this kind of activity has been attributed to them, that may come into the tribal areas and they are trying to help with the funds to the terrorists instead of actually administering the vaccine. i know the u.s. is involved and i know a lot of work is legit. but there is reason for suspicious, because the element of trust is not there. i also blame the government because they are not very involved in the activities. we don't know the road map this the government is laying out for how we have to tackle all of this.

ten we are talking about a peace dialog, and for a long time there is great consensus and complete consensus from all the political groups in pakistan, that we should try and bring these people to a dialog. and try to discriminate between the militants and the nonmilitants. the peace isn't important for pakistan today. >> we will big up on that after the break, the question we want to ask is what can pakistan and americans take to build on the trust. we will tweet on them right after the break.

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