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today's show, i wore husky pants today's show, i wore husky pants growing up i was a growing up i was a quote unquote quote unquote husky kid. husky kid. that was me at 11. that was me at 11. and and tit for tat, you have a gut tit for tat, you have a gut hanging out. hanging out. 66% of americans are overweight, 66% of americans are overweight, and there's been a two irdz thdz and there's been a two irdz thdz increase -- increase -- two-thirds two-thirds are are increase in,. increase in,. >> who says in my experience >> who says in my experience i've noticed a difference in how i've noticed a difference in how i'm treated i'm treated pre, and post-losing pre, and post-losing 60 pounds. 60 pounds. much more post. much more post. of course those of you at home of course those of you at home we want you to be a we want you to be a partly of partly of the are conversation. the are conversation.

use the hash use the hash hashtag that you see on hashtag that you see on the the screen, screen, #ajam #ajam stream. stream. >> studies of parents of >> studies of parents of overweight kids are less likely overweight kids are less likely to help them pay for things like to help them pay for things like a car or you know, college which a car or you know, college which is important. is important. discrimination discrimination is also is also documented documented in children as young in children as young as the age of 3. as the age of 3. the biggest problem isn't about the biggest problem isn't about keeping an eye on the scale. keeping an eye on the scale. rather it's the way other rather it's the way other americans rue, treat and shame americans rue, treat and shame them -- view, treat and shame them -- view, treat and shame them. them. >> i'm overweight and it's >> i'm overweight and it's obviously a hard thing to deal obviously a hard thing to deal with for all sorts of reasons. with for all sorts of reasons. the the biggest problem i've been biggest problem i've been having is everyone else. having is everyone else. until everyone else sees me and until everyone else sees me and treats me just because i'm treats me just because i'm overweight, you assume things overweight, you assume things about all fat about all fat people that people that probably aren't true. probably aren't true.

are ♪ are ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we've all encountered the >> we've all encountered the stereotypes before. stereotypes before. from the education system to the from the education system to the workplace and even health care. workplace and even health care. why is there such a stigma why is there such a stigma surrounding those who are surrounding those who are overweight? overweight? joining us from los angeles is joining us from los angeles is jeanette de jeanette de patti, also known patti, also known as the fat chick. as the fat chick. she's a she's a certified certified aerobics aerobics instructor. instructor. and the author of big fat lies and the author of big fat lies and and virgie virgie tovar. tovar. fat girls on life, love and fat girls on life, love and fashion. fashion. and before we get started i want and before we get started i want to know, if this is your first to know, if this is your first time watching the stream we do time watching the stream we do things a bit differently here in things a bit differently here in order to get diverse voice he on order to get diverse voice he on the show the show we use skype, not we use skype, not always beautiful but allows us always beautiful but allows us to reach all sorts of compelling

to reach all sorts of compelling voices and communities. voices and communities. virgie, going to you, kids at virgie, going to you, kids at the age of 3 are developing a the age of 3 are developing a bias against overweight people, bias against overweight people, full disclosure again, i was a full disclosure again, i was a husky child growing up. husky child growing up. every day for me in elementary every day for me in elementary school was school was like world war iii, like world war iii, even the kid who ate paste used even the kid who ate paste used to make fun of me. to make fun of me. why is being overweight that one why is being overweight that one trait that is seemed to be okay trait that is seemed to be okay to mock and condemn? to mock and condemn? >> first i want to >> first i want to say, i say, i really, really relate to your really, really relate to your experience, my version of the experience, my version of the paste eaters, the reason why in paste eaters, the reason why in my opinion is it's the newest my opinion is it's the newest manifestation much manifestation much a a long long against people of color and against people of color and women, as really really women, as really really

impacting and blaming mothers impacting and blaming mothers and specifically policing and and specifically policing and blaming women for this kind of blaming women for this kind of out of control behavior and for out of control behavior and for subjectings their children to subjectings their children to that -- subjecting their that -- subjecting their children to that legacy. children to that legacy. the same old stuff with new the same old stuff with new language, with new coding. language, with new coding. >> virgie, i'm going to >> virgie, i'm going to get that get that later, three quarters later, three quarters o o , fat chick , fat chick sings and your why website is sings and your why website is fatchick.com. fatchick.com. talk to us about the talk to us about the psychological effects that psychological effects that shaming has had on the shaming has had on the overweight community. overweight community. two-thirds of americans are two-thirds of americans are overweight or obese now. overweight or obese now. >> the website is >> the website is thefatchick.com. thefatchick.com. >> there's my book, >> there's my book, thefatchick.com. thefatchick.com. but you know can i i think but you know can i i think there's this notion that if we

there's this notion that if we become become thin, surnld thin, surnld our -- our -- suddenly our suddenly our lives become lives become perfect, there's perfect, there's lots in the lots in the world thatting tells you what world thatting tells you what happens when you become a thin happens when you become a thin person and what horrible happens person and what horrible happens when you are a fat person. when you are a fat person. there's lots of money to be made there's lots of money to be made in convincing us of in convincing us of that. that. >> leonard here has a comment on >> leonard here has a comment on facebook, some of us are facebook, some of us are genetically not supposed to be genetically not supposed to be thin. thin. we can avoid obesity and the we can avoid obesity and the conditions incumbent upon that conditions incumbent upon that position. position. what's behind the what's behind the rise in rise in obesity that we're experiencing obesity that we're experiencing right now? right now? >> that's a great question. >> that's a great question. the simple answer is we just the simple answer is we just don't know. don't know. we would like to think over the we would like to think over the last few decades it's been last few decades it's been largely attributable to too

largely attributable to too little exercise or eating too little exercise or eating too much food. much food. and certainly they probably do and certainly they probably do play some role. play some role. but we have to consider the fact but we have to consider the fact that from a calorie basis alone, that from a calorie basis alone, the amount of extra energy we the amount of extra energy we would take in on a daily basis would take in on a daily basis or remove on a daily basis if we or remove on a daily basis if we become less active, only amounts become less active, only amounts to about 10 cal rirs a to about 10 cal rirs a day to day to result in the epidemic. result in the epidemic. to look at someone who might be to look at someone who might be fat and assume they don't fat and assume they don't exercise as much as a thin exercise as much as a thin person or eat a bad diet or person or eat a bad diet or certainly an certainly an unhealthier diet unhealthier diet than a thin person is a wrong than a thin person is a wrong assumption. assumption. it's not based on any kind of it's not based on any kind of really solid evidence. really solid evidence. >> glen, we've had some >> glen, we've had some criticism on our community this criticism on our community this is not a war on quote unquote is not a war on quote unquote fat people but a study of bad fat people but a study of bad health. health. obesity has ramped up health obesity has ramped up health

care costs by $147 billion. care costs by $147 billion. what's your response virgie what's your response virgie about that? about that? this is an attack on a health this is an attack on a health epidemic? epidemic? >> i would call into question >> i would call into question that claim. that claim. what essentially ends up what essentially ends up happening is because the way our happening is because the way our system is set up the medical system is set up the medical establishment creates these establishment creates these standards to which we are standards to which we are expected to adhere. expected to adhere. but then when we are not able to but then when we are not able to for whatever reason we have for whatever reason we have personally failed. personally failed. and that's essentially the way and that's essentially the way that sort of health that sort of health standards standards have always ended up have always ended up manifesting. manifesting. >> glen, i want to get your are >> glen, i want to get your are response to that. response to that. >> again, people who are >> again, people who are unhealthy because of a poor unhealthy because of a poor lifestyle may disproportionately lifestyle may disproportionately be heavier than the rest of the be heavier than the rest of the population. population. but we have to ask the question but we have to ask the question is a fat person unhealthy is a fat person unhealthy because they are fat for because because they are fat for because they have a poor diet? they have a poor diet? and perhaps are not all that and perhaps are not all that physically active? physically active? and the best way to address that and the best way to address that question: and this has been question: and this has been done and published hundreds and

done and published hundreds and hundreds of times in the hundreds of times in the scientific literature. scientific literature. if you take fat people who have if you take fat people who have health problems that are thought health problems that are thought to be attributable to their to be attributable to their weight and you put them on an weight and you put them on an exercise program and you start exercise program and you start them on a good healthy diet, them on a good healthy diet, lots of fruits and vegetables lots of fruits and vegetables whole grains and so forth you whole grains and so forth you find that virtually all of those find that virtually all of those so-called weight related health so-called weight related health problems clear up in the matter problems clear up in the matter of days or weeks, even if they of days or weeks, even if they haven't lost a lot of weight. haven't lost a lot of weight. it is merely, you would it is merely, you would consider, a consider, a matter of lifestyle matter of lifestyle or imprudent lifestyle. or imprudent lifestyle. >> let me interject. >> let me interject. daily stress of being daily stress of being discriminated against and a lot discriminated against and a lot of the chronic conditions that of the chronic conditions that are related to that stress are are related to that stress are mrs. things that we connect -- mrs. things that we connect -- are also those things that we are also those things that we connect being obese or connect being obese or overweight. overweight. i want to point that out. i want to point that out.

>> we have people echoing that >> we have people echoing that sentiment as well. sentiment as well. they are talking about why they are talking about why obesity engenders this obesity engenders this sentiment. sentiment. being ten or 15 pounds overthe being ten or 15 pounds overthe ideal, is usual but, the ideal, is usual but, the community is stigmatized because community is stigmatized because they are a burden on my they are a burden on my country's health care system. country's health care system. quite harsh words. quite harsh words. >> as we have heard, weight >> as we have heard, weight discrimination can be found on discrimination can be found on many fronts but one place you many fronts but one place you might not expect it, the might not expect it, the doctor's office. doctor's office. >> this thing isn't big enough >> this thing isn't big enough for for you you . . here, change into this. here, change into this. does anyone know where the does anyone know where the extra-large blood pressure cufs extra-large blood pressure cufs is? is? >> can you guess what percentage >> can you guess what percentage >> al jazeera america is the >> al jazeera america is the only news channel that brings only news channel that brings you live news at the top of you live news at the top of every hour.

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negatively, 31% of nurses said they would prefer not to care they would prefer not to care for obese patients. for obese patients. omar. omar. up. up. what are they saying about this? what are they saying about this? >> they really have. >> they really have. they have some level of they have some level of skepticism. skepticism. that stigmatization, we have that stigmatization, we have adam who says, while i'm sure it adam who says, while i'm sure it honestly happens i belt more honestly happens i belt more than a few people are blurring than a few people are blurring the line between stigma and the line between stigma and medical advice. medical advice. >> so glen, where do you draw >> so glen, where do you draw the line between medical advice the line between medical advice and stigmatization? and stigmatization? is there quoo way to draw the is there quoo way to draw the line between what falls -- a way line between what falls -- a way to draw the line between what to draw the line between what falls in one category and one in falls in one category and one in the other? the other? >> that's a sticky one. >> that's a sticky one. let me say let me say this: physicians this: physicians should be giving evidence based should be giving evidence based advice to their patients. advice to their patients. in other words, what works best. in other words, what works best. we know that exercise and a good we know that exercise and a good healthy diet healthy diet can improve healthy can improve healthy tremendously, even though a tremendously, even though a person may not lose that much person may not lose that much weight. weight.

trying to get a fat person to trying to get a fat person to slim down by dieting makes no slim down by dieting makes no sense whatsoever. sense whatsoever. over the last 30 years, from over the last 30 years, from around 1980 onward, and this is around 1980 onward, and this is when obesity rates started to when obesity rates started to increase dramatically in the increase dramatically in the united states, during that united states, during that 30-year period, collectively, 30-year period, collectively, u.s. adults in the united states u.s. adults in the united states tried to lose weight about two tried to lose weight about two billion tiles. billion tiles. that's billion with -- that's billion with -- times. times. that's billion with a b. that's billion with a b. seven weight loss attempts for seven weight loss attempts for every adult who has lived in every adult who has lived in america in the last 30 america in the last 30 years. years. albert albert einstein einstein defined insanity defined insanity as trying the same thing ore and as trying the same thing ore and over again and expecting the over again and expecting the same results -- or different same results -- or different results consume. results consume. if you f we have a situation if you f we have a situation where we have people trying where we have people trying things over and over again and things over and over again and expecting expecting to lose weight and to lose weight and it's not working, we have it's not working, we have basically a problem

basically a problem with just with just register cg reality. register cg reality. i think most people just don't i think most people just don't realize how futile dieting realize how futile dieting really is. really is. >> glen, i want to get jeanette >> glen, i want to get jeanette in in this. this. jeanette, jeanette, thefatchick thefatchick .com. .com. you ran a marathon. you ran a marathon. if i ran a marathon, i would die if i ran a marathon, i would die and collapse. and collapse. you challenge this you challenge this notion, notion, that that fat defies good fat defies good health. health. >> there is a study out just >> there is a study out just this last week that people who this last week that people who are fit and fat statistically are fit and fat statistically are healthier than people who are healthier than people who are thin and not fit. are thin and not fit. and there's very little and there's very little difference in terms of health difference in terms of health risks for people who are fit, risks for people who are fit, and and fat, and people who are fit fat, and people who are fit and thin. and thin. this is something people have a this is something people have a lot of trouble wrapping their lot of trouble wrapping their minds around but the statistics minds around but the statistics

on it are fairly clear. on it are fairly clear. in terms of this question that in terms of this question that some of the readers have had some of the readers have had about whether or not weight about whether or not weight stigma exists in the doctor's stigma exists in the doctor's office, i can tell you that it office, i can tell you that it dops does. dops does. i work for the association for i work for the association for size diversity and mattel. size diversity and mattel. we are-- and health. we are-- and health. we are talking about bias in the we are talking about bias in the health care system and the health care system and the stories are heartbreaking. stories are heartbreaking. i have seen these things with my i have seen these things with my own students. own students. they will make tremendous they will make tremendous stride, start an exercise stride, start an exercise program, and their numbers are program, and their numbers are getting better and the doctors, getting better and the doctors, instead of encouraging them, instead of encouraging them, saying that's saying that's great, but they great, but they say, that's nice but you haven't say, that's nice but you haven't lost weight. lost weight. >> or they respond negatively to >> or they respond negatively to those who are overweight, even those who are overweight, even behind drug behind drug adecks and adecks and alcoholism and mental illness. alcoholism and mental illness. omar.

omar. >> for anybody who is like me, >> for anybody who is like me, who is a geek of kung fu police who is a geek of kung fu police officers, jackie chan is on the officers, jackie chan is on the bigger side but he's practically bigger side but he's practically an athlete. an athlete. we have a video comment from we have a video comment from jessica, take a listen to this. jessica, take a listen to this. >> i do not believe there is a >> i do not believe there is a relationship between weight and relationship between weight and health. health. i liken this to another change i liken this to another change in american bodies, we are in american bodies, we are getting taller yet we don't have getting taller yet we don't have an over-height an over-height epidemic. epidemic. in fact people are more in fact people are more successful and considered more successful and considered more beautiful if they are taller. beautiful if they are taller. americans do not have access to americans do not have access to the information that shows them the information that shows them that weight and height are not that weight and height are not related and instead what we have related and instead what we have is a society where fat bodies is a society where fat bodies health. health. >> all right >> all right virgie, we have virgie, we have heard heard glen, they consider happy, glen, they consider happy, athletic and a bit overweight. athletic and a bit overweight. but that doaps stop society

but that doaps stop society for -- stop society from shaming for -- stop society from shaming those who are overweight. those who are overweight. is it working? is it working? >> essentially no. >> essentially no. i want to really quickly revisit i want to really quickly revisit the question that you asked the question that you asked which was, or that the person which was, or that the person who tweeted in asked which is, who tweeted in asked which is, what's the difference between what's the difference between medical neglect -- rather what medical neglect -- rather what is the difference between stigma is the difference between stigma and advice, i would say it's and advice, i would say it's neglect. neglect. i recently interviewed 60 people i recently interviewed 60 people who had fat experiences with the who had fat experiences with the doctor. doctor. i i was skeptical even reading was skeptical even reading these because they were sow these because they were sow harrowing. harrowing. someone going into the doctor someone going into the doctor and complaining and complaining about cramping about cramping in the in the uterus, and they are told uterus, and they are told to go home and lose weight. to go home and lose weight. and they find out that they had and they find out that they had cancer. cancer. if this phobia hadn't been part if this phobia hadn't been part of the medical system, they of the medical system, they would have gotten treatment. would have gotten treatment.

this is the difference between this is the difference between advice advice and and stigmatization. stigmatization. essentially to go back to your essentially to go back to your question, it's not working. question, it's not working. we know that shaming people and we know that shaming people and stigmatizing people only make stigmatizing people only make them more at risk for chronic them more at risk for chronic illnesses and poor quality of illnesses and poor quality of life. life. >> what is the community >> what is the community sentiment? sentiment? >> raising the point, obesity is >> raising the point, obesity is a health issue rather than a health issue rather than anything else but bam anything else but bam bi bi responded, it hasn't anything to responded, it hasn't anything to do with concern for their do with concern for their health, it has to do with being health, it has to do with being jerks and then we have ivy here jerks and then we have ivy here w.h.o. says shaming new england w.h.o. says shaming new england ends the ends the debate. debate. this applies disrespect for the this applies disrespect for the person being person being shamed. shamed. >> all right what's your >> all right what's your response to that? response to that? i want to get your thoughts in i want to get your thoughts in before the break. before the break. >> i think my dad really had a >> i think my dad really had a great take on this believe it or great take on this believe it or not. not. my dad when i was growing up he my dad when i was growing up he

told me when you have your used told me when you have your used car you make sure you keep up car you make sure you keep up the paint job. the paint job. i said why how is that connected i said why how is that connected to the engine? to the engine? my dead said well, if you don't my dead said well, if you don't like your car, you won't take like your car, you won't take care of it. care of it. you won't take it in when it you won't take it in when it needs to be serviced and if it needs to be serviced and if it makes a makes a funny noise you'll turn funny noise you'll turn up the radio. up the radio. but if you feel good in that car but if you feel good in that car you'll do you'll do what you can what you can do do to to keep that car better. keep that car better. and i think that's the same and i think that's the same with with people's body people's body images. images. >> first, here are some other >> first, here are some other stories we're stories we're on. on.

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>> mambo scream. >> mambo scream. >> mambo scream. >> mambo scream. jeanette jeanette de de patty. patty. shaming and discrimination and shaming and discrimination and hostility towards two-thirds of hostility towards two-thirds of americans. americans. how do we tackle the problem, how do we tackle the problem, also also affirm and acknowledge affirm and acknowledge two-thirds of americans? two-thirds of americans? >> i think it's important to >> i think it's important to look at people as people and not look at people as people and not problems. problems. the way we do that is give them the way we do that is give them access to good medical care,

access to good medical care, bias free medical care, places bias free medical care, places to shake irng their thing and -- to shake irng their thing and -- shake their thing and modify shake their thing and modify their bodies -- move their their bodies -- move their bodies, think of them as people bodies, think of them as people with the same needs as any other with the same needs as any other people. people. >> it's a great point. >> it's a great point. community, what are they saying? community, what are they saying? omar? omar? >> what can people do to help >> what can people do to help correct the problem of correct the problem of discrimination, we have here, discrimination, we have here, it's education, or not open to it's education, or not open to issue like genetics and eating issue like genetics and eating disorders and hormones and so disorders and hormones and so on. on. we have a video comment from we have a video comment from britney, take a listen to this. britney, take a listen to this. >> we absolutely have a war on >> we absolutely have a war on overweight people in this overweight people in this country. country. this week news surfaced that the this week news surfaced that the merge plan b doesn't work for merge plan b doesn't work for many women over 176 pounds and many women over 176 pounds and stops being effective at 166 stops being effective at 166 pounds which is the average pounds which is the average weight of the american weight of the american woman. woman.

we set to blame people, such as we set to blame people, such as access to healthy food and access to healthy food and gyms gyms so we need to think more broadly so we need to think more broadly about this problem. about this problem. >> glen, do you see kind of a >> glen, do you see kind of a structural discrimination, about structural discrimination, about something that plan b the something that plan b the marketing of it was not marketing of it was not clearly -- made it clear that it clearly -- made it clear that it was not effective on people who was not effective on people who happened to be overweight? happened to be overweight? >> i'm not sure what to say >> i'm not sure what to say about that. about that. it seems to me that it just it seems to me that it just wasn't found out until wasn't found out until relatively relatively recently. recently. so i don't know that that's so i don't know that that's really, i would call that really, i would call that discrimination. discrimination. i think probably it will be i think probably it will be corrected some way. corrected some way. then they have to up the dose. then they have to up the dose. and it may just be a matter of and it may just be a matter of body size. body size. it doesn't just affect fat it doesn't just affect fat bottoms, bottoms, even a woman over six even a woman over six feet, likely would weigh over feet, likely would weigh over 160 pounds, 170 pounds ant yet 160 pounds, 170 pounds ant yet it not work for her. it not work for her. so i don't know that it's the

so i don't know that it's the discriminates against fat people discriminates against fat people per se just per se just on those issues on those issues alone. alone. i wish i wish a-jamming wouldn't a-jamming wouldn't use that war on fat shaming. use that war on fat shaming. virgie, we're going to talk to virgie, we're going to talk to you. you. how do we change the mindset and how do we change the mindset and the strategy in overcoming the the strategy in overcoming the strategy against overweight strategy against overweight people? people? >> i think the war on phrase is >> i think the war on phrase is something that is really really something that is really really common in the language around common in the language around this issue. this issue. i think what miles said on his i think what miles said on his tweet and the video responder tweet and the video responder said really resonated to said really resonated to me. me. the issue of decentralizing the the issue of decentralizing the issue, leading to food deserts issue, leading to food deserts and people not having the access and people not having the access to certain kinds of to certain kinds of activity. activity. what happens in the actual war what happens in the actual war on obesity which has been on obesity which has been explicitly declared is that we explicitly declared is that we

take away from the nuclear take away from the nuclear racism, the institutional racism, the institutional classism that are very, very classism that are very, very implicit in our structure and implicit in our structure and our social lieives and i our social lieives and i really -- lives and i think that really -- lives and i think that fat shaming is one of the ways fat shaming is one of the ways we reconcile in a culture that we reconcile in a culture that is so heavily mediated by is so heavily mediated by classism and racism. classism and racism. >> jeanette, we are running >> jeanette, we are running a a little tight on time but debra little tight on time but debra from california: from california: >> the fact that these issues >> the fact that these issues have been conducted by people have been conducted by people who have never lived these who have never lived these experiences means they occur experiences means they occur with all these distortions with all these distortions through the lens of the bias. through the lens of the bias. people talking about us, rather people talking about us, rather than listening to us, is a than listening to us, is a fundamental fundamental error of journalism, error of journalism, public health, much. public health, much. >> as we're wrapping up do you >> as we're wrapping up do you think that this think that this conversation is conversation is dominated by people who really dominated by people who really don't understand it enough? don't understand it enough? >> i think it has been in the >> i think it has been in the

past, i think through the past, i think through the different organizations and different organizations and different websites it's starting different websites it's starting to change. to change. but i think it's really but i think it's really important that the conversation important that the conversation not be about us, without us. not be about us, without us. if we're going to talk about how if we're going to talk about how to deal with fat people in to deal with fat people in america, it seems thranl we america, it seems thranl we should talk to some fat people. should talk to some fat people. there's a lot of work we can do there's a lot of work we can do in terms of going against the in terms of going against the stereotypes that's been built up stereotypes that's been built up over the years about what it over the years about what it means to be means to be fat. fat. >> all right virgie we have 15 >> all right virgie we have 15 seconds. seconds. if there's one thing a community if there's one thing a community member can do to change a fat member can do to change a fat person's behavior what would you person's behavior what would you recommend? recommend? >> i would recommend asking them >> i would recommend asking them to interrogate their beliefs to interrogate their beliefs around around fat people and ask them fat people and ask them if it's not about health and if it's not about health and rather than about rather than about discrimination. discrimination. >> i'm going to thank our guests >> i'm going to thank our guests and until next time omar and i and until next time omar and i will see you online. will see you online.

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