paintings with the first lady and mrs. clinton. that will do it for this edition of al jazeera. i'm stephanie sy. have a great evening. environmental concerns. our digital producer wajahat ali, tweet him a lot. waj, big agendas both sides. our community has big things to say about it. >> deeply polarizing,

using the hashtag #ajam stream, we talk about, we don't get oil from north america. if true, why destroy our land. peter talks about the farmers, talk about the land that's going to be condemned. the flip side, oil will be moved one way or the other, all these name callers they should grow up and then anna says my support for this pipeline is based on the current geopolitical reality. we'll somehow figure this all out in 26 minutes. >> they're stacked up. how do people debate. the key stone southern leg is supposed to be ready in 2016. this

part of the pipeline still has to be approved by president obama, since it crosses the border. activists and land owners, say, it's not going to be going in without a fight. >> what's at stake is civilization at the baseline. >> adds to higher carbon emissions contributing to climate change. will provide much needed jobs and energy independence. meanwhile, land owners feel, they are caught in the middle. they can take a payout or face eminent domain which can force them off of their land and out of their homes whether they agree to it or not. do the benefits outweigh the environmental

concerns? >> cindy shields and jason kowalski and danny hendricks, a manager for pipe fitters union, and why many a representative of ogroup that post office the pipeline. we use skype and google hangout, not always perfect but it allows us to reach most of the country which is important to us. cindy, explain to us where and how it is operational. >> sure, thank you for having me on tonight. we have been discussing this for a while. what happened was the project was bifurcated.

the president sidetracked this area which releaves the bottleneck which we had extra supplies stored in christian, oklahoma, to increase our production in our upper plain states as well as canada down to our refining center in the gulf. so this connectivity will allow that to happen. and the reason this importance has you know been upped over the past several years is the change in supply flows. we university to import more oil from venezuela, mexico. those imports have been decreasing. canada, our supplier and.partner of oil, we have been importing for decades, this is the opportunity to increase that benefit. >> jane, we have been using oil sands for decades, a large portion already exists.

what's the controversy. >> farmers and ranchers don't think it's our responsibility to bail canada out of a bad investment of tar sands. their main goal is to get as much tar sands to export as possible to make as much profit as possible. we would rather diversify our energy portfolio here in america, it means a lot of solar wind and other renewable energy like ethanol. that's where our country needs to go. if canada wants to refine and export tar sands they can do it on their watch not risking our land and water. >> jason who are the players? >> for us there are a few players. the many oil industry, common sense people who don't want to risk our land and water so the 1% can't get richer. they know this is a bad

investment and will be game-over for the climate. >> here we have our facebook community. woody says i'm dialed with keystone only if there are rm restrictions i -- restrictions in place. then kathy says the keystone pipeline is game over. cindy going to go with you, two years ago the state department released a report saying the keystone pipeline, had corrupt fittings and valve stations, that in itself is a bit troubling. how do we ensure that transcanada maintains a standard where there's no spirls? >> sure, that should be -- spills? >> sure, that's been discussed quite a bit.

the safety record of the industry, the pipeline industry of transporting the product or crude to the refinery, is over 99.99%. it's strong. but some incidents, it is a happen. it is unfortunate, we do our best as an industry to put mechanisms in place to learn from them, to improve upon whatever best practices standard already exist. it's no excuse, no accident is ever acceptable, certainly for the land owners impacted. but we have the emergency response procedures in place. the industry also is required, by law, to work with emergency response personnel. they have plans in advance. and do their best to get there and clean up spills quickly and restore, do the restoration process that is required and is in their benefit as well. regarding those specific spills, when you talk about the 14

specific to fittings and the valves, you're talking about all very minor releases which were less than reportable quantities. and that's why they are preferenced the way they are. they are not significant. >> let's take a second here to look at a commercial by transcanada. >> we see it every day. unrest halfway around the globe affects us here at home. america imports millions of barrels of oil from the middle east every week. but we don't have to. along with increased domestic development, the transcanada pipeline could stabilize the are import of oil, over 40,000 american jobs. let's beat the transcanada xl are pipeline. cindy, what garnlts are there that -- guarantees are that oil will stay here and be

used here, and not shipped off to china or india or elsewhere? >> great question. we tend to look at it in terms of energy security, when we reference all the options jane mentioned earlier. we are in support of all forms of energy. we just do not believe that any one form should be precluded over any other. we support renewables. we support you know, the ability to develop in our upper plain states as well as the ability to bring in canada's oil. you know we're already seeing canada's oil, the oil sands, make its way to the gulf, make its way to the other markets. so the question is, how efficiently you want that done. how for consumers time and time again it's showing every poll pipeline. >> go ahead. >> if api supports all forms of energy why are you guys working against

the renewable standards that the epa are doing? and afp are doing the same. you actually misled folks against the spills, they were so significant that they had to close down keystone 1, the earliest they have had to do that on a new construction pipeline. on top of that on your southern leg that just got put into the ground in texas and oklahoma you've had over 60 land owners property redug up because there was a problem. there was a problem with the pipeline being laid and you knew it. >> i think there's different versions of the facts that you just stated jane. >> the safety record's a lot better than the industry flak. >> you can give fimsa about the safety record as well and they will confirm that it's over 99.99%.

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o. >> you want to build a huge pipeline through the farms, fields and valueys of america's heart land? then tar sands and the keystone xl pipeline are for you! and state department oil services can make it happen. thanks to my former deputy campaign director who now works for transcanada pipeline i'm on board with the board room!

>> obviously that is from an environmental advocacy group. we are talking about the keystone xl pipeline and the politics of all of it. so jairc jairch to 2012 election, obama was whether he was proor anti-xl. what does keystone mean for obama at this stage of the game? >> keystone is a monumental choits for barack obama. to me as someone who voted for barack obama, it is a choice of siding with the people who helped him get elected, common sense americans who believe in clean energy jobs and oreal climate science policy. >> danny you want to jump in here? >> well, i think there's been a struggle from the very beginning, instead of this being a business decision it's turned into a political football and it

has been kicked back and forth several different times. but the really for us, i truly believe this, that that's going oget mined and it's going to continue to get moved and it's going to be refined. now we have to make that common sense connection, how are we going to move that product? are we going omove it by rail? because that's exactly what's going to happen, we're ramping up on the rails and not going to build the pipeline. that doesn't make any sense to me. you're not going to stop the mining of that canadian oil. you're not going to. >> cindy? >> i say we are going to stop the mining of that oil because it's not good for our air and water and climate change. i hope you would force transcanada to use made in u.s.a. steel. they're using steel from everywhere other than the united states of america. >> they do source their steel

here. >> no they don't. >> yes they do. as far as the politics it's become a symbol for ngos with an 18th environment agenda. state department assessments, who are weighing the fit, the president will look at all the facts all the assessments, five years and counting now and make the decision that's in the interest positive our consumers and approve this pipeline. they have assessed the climate impacts, they have assessed the impacts to the resources along the routes and they have not found any significant impacts. ready for your approval. >> but cindy your organization api since the late '90s has been building front groups, fostering denial, sewin sew -- sowing seeds of denial. saying we're going odig up all

the oil in the tar sands. there is no way we can hit the 2° benchmark that the united states and other nations have agreed to. keystone. if you want a climate debate, thing. list? this is not the right battle for it. and when you look at our increase in production and what natural gas is providing, that's a huge impact on our climate benefits and grootion greenhouse gas reduction. >> bill look: >> president obama has increased the coal that's being mind and the gas that's being fracked in this country. one of the true chances he has to take a stand is to say

no to keystone, that will be something. >> jenny you are a farmer, quickly tell us what should president obama do about the keystone project? >> it doesn't take a rocket scientists, to figure out this project is an environmental degradation from end to end. the pollution in tex texas when this is refined. the amount of energy that takes to extract this is a no-win for the world. >> i want to thank all our guests, until next time waj and i will see you online. check

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