>> blockbuster details on the benghazi attack. a book had the uptold story. "consider this" who knew what, when and how will the tragedy

impact our embassy worldwide in the long run. a fascinating story of a teen turned extremist who changed as an adult to fight back against jihadists, and why he says america should be in a race against errors. >> is the new face of alcohol female. there's a number of women struggling with the bottle. i'm antonio mora. welcome to "consider this." we'll talk to authors about intriguing books. we begin with benghazi, a new book inspired by the disaster. >> dozens of heavily armed militants attacked the u.s. embassy. ambassador christopher stevens and shaun smith were trapped in a burning mission building, where they died of smoke

inhalation, despite the ests of a security team that fought to save them. hours later c.i.a. contractors, glen doherty and tyrone woods attacked. >> a report produced for the state department investigating benghazi and security forces blamed the benghazi in pardon state department officials, criticising them for identifying conditions in the city, and approving benghazi as is diplomatic post. the panel highlighted long-standing problems in the security practices, including blurred lines of authority, a lack of accountability, no risk management model for high-threat posts or intelligent analysts, inadequate diplomatic security

training and many vulnerable low-risk posts. >> fred is a former diplomatic security agent and samuel cats is an author and expert on middle eastern security issues. >> fred, you both describe in this book, create an atmosphere of a lawless city. a den of thieves and spies, where danger was present. why was the state department there and ambassador christopher stephens there. >> the mystery of why ambassador stevens was there was due to open an outdoor event for the local community. having said that, the decision to move ambassador stevens to benghazi is one that we really don't know the details surrounding that.

for example, as chief emission, the u.s. ambassador is the president's rep. that's where the buck stops. he's the commapder in chief -- commander in chief. >> this mission was not well secured. there's a long and tragic history of event at american diplomatic facilities. some include the 1979 tehran hostage taking, 1983 bombings, in nairobi, kenya, tanzania in 1998, bombings. given how often this happened, and how many commissions have been put out there to study and how many recommendations have occurred, how could this again? >> in the book we speak to a former agent. he said people are being shot, the embassy is being shelled, we

have to pull out. the cable back from washington is we are in lebanon for a higher purpose. a few days later the ambassador was kidnapped and assassinated. this has been going on for years. given that embassies are high profile, high value targets, odds are that it will continue to go on for years. the game is a chest match. both sides, terrorists and those involved in counterterrorism engaging and matching each other, figuring where the next strike will come. in benghazi it was a low tech strike. it was material in the markets. ultimately there was fire as the most destructive force. >> you simply couldn't trust anybody on the ground. the libyans, the police force. no one responded.

people that were supposed to help, were not around. >> it's an issue that people don't understand. it's the host nation's responsibility first and foremost by the vina convention to provide security for official diplomats and country. in essence it's the libyan government's responsibilitiy to protect the official americans in benghazi. the challenge per your point is there's no ability to train a loyal force to protect your perimeter. house does your state department work around that, is we put special agents on the perimeter, looking for bad guys, preoperational surveillance activities. >> some of the bad guys may have been the people we thought would help us. >> right.

that's the nature of the business in this line of work. you deal with foreign service national staff that for the most part is loyal to the americans they've been assisting. occasionally you get the bad apple. and you move into areas that are problematic. >> we talked about the scene in benghazi, but there was a broader context. the arab spring had been going on and all sorts of riots in embassies in the middle east. in some cases motivated by an infamous film that ridiculed the prophet mohammed. benghazi was not the right place to be on that day. once the attack began, it was clear to the ambassador what

help. >> yes, they did. >> the agents knew immediately that this was a terrorist attack when the first rounds were fired. they hit a duck and cover alarm. an audible alert. indicating ta everybody should seek cover and shulder. information was conveyed via text to the u.s. embassy tripoli. the special mission compound. benning was under a terror attack. it was conveyed in washington until the diplomatic security command post. your belief is that people who received the information must have understood it was a terrorist attack, not just a spontaneous demonstration. >> you have to understand that the demngss in cairo were

massive, violent. there were fires set in and around the u.s. embassy. there were similar demonstration demonstrations. the feeling was throughout north africa there were news of attacks. there was little detail, no information relayed that there were x number of gunmen. >> you got confused with everything else. >> people were shocked there government. >> there was true heroism on the behalf of people who tried to save ambassador stevens. >> in law enforcement when a police officer needs backup he calls swat or other officers. for many of the diplomatic security service agents in hot spots around the world. assistance is an aircraft

carrier 6,000 miles away. as a result the agents live by their wits and survive and to buy time. the embassy, philosophy of security is all these doors and windows that are blast resistant to by time they can wait until help comes. >> there were assets, but reality is there's no way they could scramble. there was a team in spaip that could have -- spain, that could have gotten there within a few hours. >> nothing moves quickly in this environment. we have an issue of sovereignty and optics of the united states invading a country. you have the issue of country clearance which is a bureaucratic mess when you have to formally request permission to go into different air spaces. >> the notion that there was no response is incorrect.

once news of the attack reached the embassy in tripoli. c.i.a. contractors, and jasoc contractors volunteered immediately and suited up. they made plans and arrangements and coordinated their trip to benghazi. benghazi being lawless and chaotic they were held up at the airport for four hours. they were the only good guys in the country that could be summoned. >> they killed 50 militants and injured 100 others, and two of them died hours later on the roof of the annex. we have a question. let's go to our social media producer. we have a question about c.i.a. . >> fred asks why were dozens of benghazi agents at the consulate

the night stevens was killed? >> that's an issue. something we need help with from congress is to call c.i.a. personal up for testimony. so far there's one c.i.a. officer testify behind closed doors that was in benghazi. it's my assessment having worked in the environment, looking at a lot of terrorist attacks that this was a c.i.a. base, what it does. they are engaged in human source meetings. they have security officers that watch the case officer's backs. that's the grs crew. they are multitasking and training in emergency medical gear and equipment and first aid. they are looking for air pads. >> i'd like to close with a quote from the book. you say :

>> do you see the dedication, the courage, the commitment of these diplomatic security officers as the true legacy of benghazi? >> i do. it was a very honourable move on the part of the department and administration to award the agents involved for their courage and heroism. they did it quietly. i think the agents will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. >> thank you both. it's a compelling read and terrific work. >> "consider this" will be right

>> despite 12 years of the u.s.-led war on terror. radical islamist movements are active and unfortunately growing around the world. the dive into islamic is not always a one way hit.

movement. >> for 13 years of my life i considered america my enemy. i worked to overthrow officers and instigate coups against world. >> after being arrested and suffering a brutal 4-year term in prison. he emerged a changed man, a candidate for britain's parliament and a founder of a think tank and organization to build grass-roots demand for democratic culture. i'm pleased to welcome him to the studio, author of, "radical - my journey out of islamic extremist", and is a political party member. it's a pleasure to have you here. a fascinating story. you came from a family that was not fundamentalist. your mum grew up in britain.

by all accounts you were a normal british child. you loved hip hop. then something happened. what was it? >> as a teenager i experienced violent racism, hammer, screwdriver, machete attacks by a group known as combat 18. they targeted my white friends. i only had white muslim friends in essex, next door to london. they'd hold me back and force me to watch as they stabbed my white friends, because they deemed them blood traitor or associating and befriending me. i have to emphasis that the u.k. is no longer as racist as it used to be. troubles have progressed, but there was the bosnia genocide. it was the first time we saw white blond-haired blue-eyed muslims. up to that point we associated our problems with racism and were forced to consider of the

bosnia situation. almost in a sense of defiance. british muslims decided to say "if you are attempting to wipe out muslim presence, we are all muslim", that was the beginning of my consciousness to associate in public. up to that point i was agnostic. it was at the vulnerable tender age of 16. i came across a recruiter, a medical student, who pedalled an ideology. >> you joined ht - we'll call it that for convenience - and you travelled around the world, going to pakistan and egypt. >> i co-founded the group in three other countries - pakistan, denmark and i ended up in egypt. i was part of a drive to spread the message abroad. >> you were arrested in egypt and put in mubarak's gaols,

which had a reputation for being horrific. >> yes. >> you saw a lot of torture. >> they electrocuted everyone. people died before our eyes from their wounds inflicted because of torture. >> you spent months in solitary confinement? >> yes. >> how was the treatment to you? >> i wasn't electro cute. i had british prisoners electrocuted in front of me. i was beaten, sleep deprived and put into solitary confinement. >> seeing people you knew, suffering through what you suffered in the prisons, normally what you think about is the people who go through that will be radicalized. you'll come out angrier against anyone that did that to you and you'd be more of an extremist. instead you had a conversion.

>> who things happened. amnesty international adopted us as prisoners of conscience. at the age of 24 i was imprisoned and amnesty campaigned for our release. taking the stance that although we deemed them our enemy and human rights generally as the enemy of, at the time i believed my people, muslims, amnesty international took the stance we may disagree with what they say, but we believe they have the right to say it as long as they are not violence. >> amnesty international's stance impacted me that it opened my heart. i said where the heart leads the mind follows. i spent four years engaging with political prisoners, the who's who. we had the assassin of the

former president,al -- all the way through to the leader of muslim brotherhood. i debated, read - essentially i grew up. >> it is portrayed by the way you reacted to 9/11 and years later to 7/7 - the terrorist ast tacks in london. >> you did your research. >> when 9/11 happened i was on the outside in egypt and essentially indifferent. since then i spoke at the 9/11 memorial and visited on the last anniversary. at the time it happened i was indifferent to suffering other than muslim suffering. it's a nonhuman stance to take. when 7/7 happened because in prison i changed and what i witnessed was the antiwar

protests think they failed in the sense that they didn't stop iraq. what they succeeded in doing was impacting someone like me, who at the time there was rage and anger. when i saw the largest prant in pakistan, but in the u.k. most of the protesters opposed the invasion of iraq. that had a profound impact on me and humanized people i thought of as the other. >> you go to london, you are perceived as a hero as ht. you realise it is not for you. you leave the group and you find pakistan in england, to fight islamism. it's how you refer to it. briefly defined as the desire to impose given interpretation of

the fate of a society as distinct from regional islam, however one wants to practice it. now, i had come to realise that islamism was one of the many grievances. up to that point you were agrooest my foreign policy. islamism was the largest obstacle preventing the society moving forward. i wanted to seek for justice. it would entail challenging the islamist ideologies. so we founded quil yam, a counterextremism think tank. >> viewer jd rawson asks, "is reduction of drone warfare an effective countermeasure against

extremist recruitment." >> i've been critical of u.a.e. commonly known as drone strikes. the reason is palmar - pushing policy that can be cashing cattured. president obama ditched the democracy piece and kept the gun. he defined and thought if he decapitated the leadership of al qaeda, by surgical strikes, drone strikes he'd fix the problem. we are dealing with an insurgency. the phrase they used in the barack obama administration was al-qaeda-inspired terrorist. al qaeda is the end product of decades of extremism. >> you say you can't kill an idea, ideas are bulletproof.

what can the united states do and other moderate muslims do. is there more organizations like quil am to help. >> if we look at the combination of what happened al qaeda achieved more since the death of possible than through his life-time. they described territory in north mali, in yemen. they never did that during the lifetime of bin laden. surgical strikes didn't achieve with what we wanted to achieve. ure job should be to make the ideology of islamism as unattractive. >> we wish you the best in your efforts. it's an incredible book. it thank you for your time. many worry that the gains made in education will not stick in the future. aljazeera's jane ferguson takes us to a school in kandahar city

that was long considered a success and is now facing closure. >> it's a place offering more than these girls know, a quality education in real tangible skills, a path away from positivity and early marriage and towards university and a career. since 2002, the modern stud has been teaching women languages, like management and computer skills. that they are skills that speak of ambition which in the heart of tallle ban country is remarkable. >> we are a unique school, preparing women to go to jobs. our school is preparing women to go to universities.

joining us from san francisco is valerie frame, author of a book. >> i want to start with serious questions, your work at the c.i.a. and global zero and in the novel have connections to iran. the number of countries that have nuclear weapons has grown since you left the c.i.a. are you hopeful that proliferation will stop? >> i am hopeful. i think more nations realise nuclear weapons belong in the dust bin history, that they no longer provide security that

they once did, where we have a nexus of nuclear technology. the proliferation will continue. unless we take international steps, which is what global zero was supporting in order to say enough. i think we have been lucky. >> there's a real belief that iran is trying to, despite denials, to get nuclear weapons. do you think their talks will be success: they'll get to the place where iran will not develop. >> i am cautiously optimistic. i can determine it. maybe there is a window of opportunity. president hassan rouhani clearly showed a moderation and tone from ris tweets, to the phone call with president obama, and, of course, on october 15th

they'll be meeting in geneva, and high-level meetings. this is amazing that this was the first time that there has been this level of talks since the iranian revolution. i believe that diplomatic should be considered not just for friends. we need to have - begin to have this conversation with them. i think iran wants to re-enter the community of nations. the sanctions are biting, and as they say, i'm optimistic that maybe we have a moment here. >> maybe we have more concern, that at the c.i.a. you monitored the top pakistani nuclear skype tist involved in helping to invent weapons.

that big concern, nuclear devices falling into their hands. what do you think the likelihood of that is? >> i think it's high. this is something that we need to have strong international intrusive inspections and move towards starting with united states and russia. reducing the nuclear ars analyse, and we can't continue on the path which we are going. this continues to be a dire threat and is something - that's what i developed by expertise in, the c.i.a., what i continued to do with global zero and made it a stra point. >> let's talk about it. valerie, vanessa - how close is that c.i.a. agent who lives in cyprus to you. >> i would say she's smarter

than i am, younger than i am. it's been involved by my experiences. i was always irritated with how females were portrayed. i was given the opportunity to write the book. and i wanted to have a female character that was much more realistic. she brought up the portrayalal and music. we are seeing more, including clair dans character in "homeland", and the character in "zero dark 30", are they an improves in the past? >> perhaps. in that they are not highly sexualized. again, they tend to be sort of,

for the most part, cardboard characters. clair dane is brilliant, "homeland" is compelling, but notice how she doesn't have any friends and for that, not to have interpersonal skills, you wouldn't go far. and jessica chastane did a beautiful job in "zero dark 30", and was nominated for it. that was a compilation of several officers. there's always a team effort going into a successful operation that goes by the wayside because it's more character. >> while you were at the c.i.a. you were a deep-cover officer. how much of what you write in this novel is true to what a c.i.a. covert operator might do. novelistic?

>> well, i took out all the waiting and all the rabbit holes that you go down, and come up with nothing, because you can't keep a reader very long if you put that in, there's a lot of waiting for your assets, whether you are in a restaurant or a park. what is genuine is the trade craft. how you communicate clandestinely, how you move in and out of the country. and the location are places where i have been, worked, travelled to. i tried - and her interactions at headquarters - i tried to make that as realistic as possible and still make it entertaining. >> the books started with the main character meeting with an informant.

the whole cloak and dagger things, in this world of happen? >> believe it or not, yes. despite technology, what matters is a human interaction. i'm biassed but human intelligence is what will tell you the intent. >> all the technology and spy satellites that are available in technological terms. it's helpful that there's a certain degree of trust. that is where critical intelligence comes in. vanessa pearson meeting her asset in vienna - absolutely that would happen. >> you had issues with the c.i.a. vetting your original book and not wanting you to write about certain things. book?

>> when you join the c.i.a. you sign the secrecy agreement to protect methods. i completely support that. everything i write needs to be run by the c.i.a. with globack and happily they recognise it was fictional. unlike fair game, which had a bit redact, this one, there are no black marks. >> going back to what happened to you as twi. you were outed as a covert agents and you had to resign. you could go nowhere. so you went from being a secret person that couldn't tell people what you did to becoming a household name. how hard was that massive transition? it was difficult. it took me, honestly, a couple of years to come to terms with it because i had gone from being a private person where obviously

secrecy and discretion is paramount. you don't do the job with hope or desire of public recognition, and overnight i was a public person, and enmeshed in this very partisan scandal. harder. >> it was really difficult. both my husband, joe wilson and i went through the ringer. it took me a while to realise at least if i'm going to be a public person, i can use my voice and speak out about things, things like global zero. >> i hope there has been a silver lij. you dedicated your life to something, it must have been hard to lose it. everything you have done. the novel, a series of novels, and a movie made, that all those things made up for some of what

you went through. i look forward to finishing your book and look forward to the next ones in the series. the book is "blow back."

>>. >> the absence of the american diagram is anybody that wants to work hard is able to get the good dreams. >> that was president obama speaking this morning as part of his 2-day bus tour to promote his plan to lower the cost of college education. "consider this" that's not the only part of the education that needs reforming. we used to have the best education in the world. sadly it's not the case. we were ranked 17 earlier this year, well behind finland and south korea. should we take a cue from

are. >> joining me to discuss this is amanda ripply author of "the smartest kids in the world." >> your book followed american exchange students. they pretty much faced a shock when they got to poland. why are they different. >> finland is the utopia of education. kids get an outstanding result in maths and science, without doing a huge amount of work. korean kids get the same. they are two different places stop. >> south korea is striking. if you looking at the differences between them and there's, they are ranking number two in the world in reading, 93% high school graduation act,

better than the 77% in the u.s. what changes were made that were different? >> this is one of the hopeful things. the startest countrieses in the world are not smart. it's a stagnant problem. the countries did things, sometimes by accident or on purpose. they made it much more vigorrous. they meed it harder to get into teacher training college. >> so you write about a teacher in south korea earning $4 million a year, most of which is tutoring, it's not the norm. here. >> the demand for education in korea, like much of asia is out of site.

it's hard to imagine. there's a lot of fascinating things to be heard. seeing the star tutors in korea and hong kong. some of the numbers are scary. 70% of the kid are using kids outside of school. is it a situation where the public school system is not doing well and the tutors are making the difference and the benefit. >> when you survey kids in korea, they prefer tutors to teachers. you have hit on a huge problem or risk in the united states. once people lose faith in the main stream public system, they will look elsewhere as education is more valuable. you want to keep the faith and pick up the tricks of the competitive afterschool market so you don't lose the loyalty and faith of parents.

>> there are unions in some of those countries for teacher. >> it's hard to go anywhere on the planet and find a country without a teachers' union. it's hard to dismiss a teacher for performance almost anywhere in the world. what merits is how adversarial the relationship is between politicians, place to place, and that is something that hurt us. >> talking about the rigors that you mentioned, you talked about how the south korean kids can work ridiculous hours. >> they are not able to engage in sports or have hobbies. do you see that as a bad thing in the long run. >> you don't want to go to ss and sports or dymocks. if you take the way american parents and kids think about sport and high school and

transfer it and even the words and the rituals, that's how korean parents think of academics. it's the same craziness. >> it's a question of balance. we have a tweet. what are they asking? >> one of the viewers says in south korea students who are high achievers are considered heroes, in the u.s. they are considered losers. we need to change the nara ty. it may not apply across the board, but how would you respond to that? >> there's no concept of a nerve in south korea. the social capital in a high school is around academic achievement. it is seen as mostly a product of hard work. failure is a routine part of learning. there's no way to learn without failing. if you fail at something, it's not because you are bad at math or dumb.

this combination of elevating the prestige, plus a meantalitying saying how hard you work. it's a powerful combination. we don't want to get too crazy. >> the u.s. was number one in the world for baby boomers. the u.s. is in 10th place. according to a study last year, maths, science and reading lag behind many countries. we were 14th. 17th in science, 25th in maths. is the issue that the american system has stag nated. that we haven't evolved enough. haven't? >> we stayed the same.

other countries stayed around us. it's unusual to stay the same. other countries improved and got worse. there's all this movement over the world. one thing that you see in these places is that it's hard to get serious about education until you are up against it. all the countries at the top of the world, the education superstars, they had to double down and get serious or they were going to become economically irrelevant. >> many of those countries are smaller than the u.s. but the percentage that those countries - the budget of those countries don't seem to be a factor compared to the u.s. u.s. is 13%. south korea 15.7, finland 12.7. is this an argument before, that

the amount of money going into education is not the issue. >> the united states spends more per students in all but three countries in the world. you don't see past a baseline that is means learning. we do not pay our teachers a tonne of money. we do tend to have classrooms full of a lot of technology compared to kids i followed. they noticed in classrooms abroad they were old school. >> not so focussed on technology. >> jeb bush tried to push a national common core, old-fashioned. with? >> yes, 45 states signed on to the standard and they are a step in the right direction, you can't rigorous steernts

requiring kids to think for themselves. it's a huge deem. i hope it moves forward. >> the book brings up all sorts of important questions. it is called the smartest kids in the world and is available. back with more of "consider >> start with one issue education... gun cont

>> when you think of an alcoholic you are likely to think of a man. that may be changing. do women have a drinking problem. from 1999 to 2008 the number of young women admitted to emergencies rooms dangerously intoxicated shot up by 2%. women arrested for drunken driving soared by 32". a c.b.c. study showed 24% of women who binge drink are college age. >> what is causing the big boost in drinking among women. the new book "drink", the intimate relationship between drinking and alcohol takes a look at the issue. we have a 5-time worker. and an assistant professor of

psychiatry at the medical college. thank you both for being with us. fascinating book. you obviously do not fit the profile of what people think of as an alcoholic. you have been a tremendously successful magazine writer, vice principal of magill. as you research the book, how common was your story. did you see others like you? >> my story is common. sadly i'm the poster girl for the female alcoholic. meaning professional, high bottom, high functioning, well educated, not like my mother whelm mixed valium. the gender gap is closing. >> why? >> three reasons - a lot of self-medicating of depression and anxiety. i ask if it's the modern woman's

steroid allowing women to juggle the roles. in a stressful world, that's the case. and heavy marketing. alcohol companies pitched heavily at women as a way to catch up with beer, and they have done a good job. al-coe pops were born in the mid 1990s. >> we'll address some of those issues as we move on. you agree with what anne is saying, is that would you are seeing in your practice, in your teaching? >> i do agree. two cades o itas three times less. three times more alcohol with man than women. the gap is changing. even now we see different patterns of alcohol, binge drinking.

obviously we see more in women than men. there are multifact torial - social changes. cultural exchanges. women are on the workforce, more powerful, in powerful positions. a lot to be considered. >> there are a lot of different factors going into it. men and women drink for different reasons? >> yes, men, typically when they get into trouble with alcohol will go to the bar and drink with friend. women isolate, doing what i did. drinking alone at home, medicate loneliness, depression. many things that trouble us >> as opposed to a man who may feel better through drinking? >> i'm not

saying that men don't do that, but i'll give an example. childhood sexual abuses. but typically women isolate. they drik -- drink alone. >> women who drink, or heavy drinkers are susceptible to heart disease, have a 10% higher chance of getting breast cans are. that number jumps by 10 additional points. that is the beginning of the health problems. >> there are different reasons for that. women, for instance, first yological reasons - alcohol is dispersed and women have less water in their body pound to pound.

some studies suggest that the enzyme that breaks the alcohol in your body, is less - the concentration of it is less in women. women get higher blood alcohol level than men. there is definitely alarming results. it's not just breast cancer, it's erect tile, gastric, coronary artery disease and cardo vascular leading to a host of things like strokes and things like that. going back to anne's comment about how men - why men drink or what is the pat tern, men drink for anxiety, depression. but women have high

likelihood, twice as much to be depressed as men. >> side from the physical problems that the doctor pointed out, there's dangers for women. we did a town hall about the sexual assaults on campuses and found an overwhelming number of women sexually assaulted had been drinking. it's an issue banning the gamut of a woman's life. >> we have known that alcohol was the number one date rape drug. it's a fact. young women i met in treatment will say "i was raped when i was drunk so therefore it doesn't count." i say it counts. there's shame and confusion and women. >> what responsibility does the entertainment industry have.

you see fun drinkers, sex in the city. chelsea handler and the fourth hour of the "today show" they are drink wine. is that an issue? >> yes, i don't think you can lay it all at cary bradshaw's jimmy choos, but she had a drink except when shoe shopping. and "bridesmaids", if john bell usually were alive he would be female and throwing up. we have a sense of entitlement. i drink because i can. men can, and i can. metabolically we are not equal. we make ourselves vulnerable. i made myself vulnerable. it was a struggle to turn it around. >> anne mentioned this earlier. if you go back to our mothers, people who had problems, they

were referred to mother's little helpers. alcohol. >> cultural shift. women stay at home. now they are not. mingle. >> the alcohol industry has a lot to do with it. we saw al-coe pops. younger people. it's one thing that shocked me in what i was reading your book is one lobbyiest in washington for every two members of cop yeses. that's amazing. >> you get an expert from the center of alcohol, marketing and youth based at john hopkins, and he shakes his head thinking it cannot be turned around. why? the alcohol business is involved in social media to such a degree they are flying under

the radar in terms of marketing to young people on facebook, youtube, tweeting and it's not expensive. a young person sits at the computer and seeks out the alcohol brand. all of a sudden the brand is commupting with them like a person, a friend. >> how are you doing now with your addiction? >> i'm proud and humbled and grateful. i'm five years sober. my life is completely different. happy, fulfilling and i'm the most anne i have ever been. that's a wonderful feeling. >> the book is drink, the intimate relationship between women and alcohol. thank you both for being with us issue? a. >> the show may be over. but join in the consider on