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>> why is the federal bureau of investigation designating hundreds of fans as a gag m i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this." >> we begin with an avalanche of documents that show an elaborate of cover up. chris christie flew to florida friday on a fundraising strip. >> the new jersey lawmakers released documents from chris christie's aids, hiding the motive behind the lane clearance with a study. >> joining us on set is zordon
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johnson. >> it was the up to hit hard in the george washington bridge scandal. all these documents being released. what is your take away. >> it adds to my feeling that it firing or the termination of ms kelly does not get to the crux of the matter. i realise when you fire someone you don't get to the truth. i think there's a lot going on there. in an email it shows us that there's conflict, contempt that exists. on the new jersey side it appears to be an atmosphere of intimidation and fear, lead by intimidation, by the political appointees. but, yes. >> let's talk about that new jersey conflict. there's a lot of angry exchanges.
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we want to show one that comes from bill, new jersey's top-appointed person in charge of the george washington bridge. in the emails foy says to baroney, after being upset, he says bill, we'll fix the fiasco. the new jersey guy says, "i'm on the way to the office to discuss there can be no public discourse. if everything is aboveboard, why would there not want to be discores. >> why the tension and conflict over a traffic study. >> it was done for a political payback. the new york side was not maid aware of it. these are individuals put there by our governor, who wanted to exact revenge or retribution for
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someone on the new jersey side. what do we think about chris christie. there's history of him being tough on people he disagrees with. this is a guy seep as a guy who has commonsense. do you think he would have been involved in something as stupid as this? >> i don't know. we don't know at this time if he was involved in this. i doubt that ms kelly, the one dismissed was the only one who initiated the access from his inner circle. i don't believe that they ran a rogue operation. chris christie runs a tight and controlled operation. there's no way someone would do something like that without someone in the administration knowing about it. let's talk about the emails, one involving david wildstein, and another in the port authority.
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he took the fifth when questioned about these things and wrote an email to the a chris christie staffer saying: >> now, sampson, again from new jersey, he is the chairman of the port authority. this is saying even the chairman of the port authority may have been involved. >> he was put there, nominated by chris christie. so there's a close tie there. when i attended these monthly board meetings in october, november, december, when there were commissioners there, including six from new jersey, trying to seek answers for the traffic chaos going on, you have to convince me that none of the individuals, because there's 12 commissioners, six from jersey
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and new york. were picked by chris christie. none of these people picked up a phone. i don't understand why he says he didn't know this was going on. it doesn't make sense. >> there's a class action lawsuit. let's listen to some of the people complaining. >> it was fright nipping, causing craziness. i started to get very, very anxious, and it just escalated to the point where i had a panic attack. >> if he was really unaware of this. it strains ceduality. >> people should be held accountable. >> i'm outraged. assaulted. >> outraged, assaulted. how angry are people in new jersey. >> we have people trying to get
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to work. trying to go to work. held in a four-hour traffic jam for a week. it doesn't make sense. small business people. people couldn't get to their shops to buy services or product. i can't believe or don't understand why someone from the governor's office, someone from his - it's a small circle would do something like this. >> no smoking gun. where do you see this going next week? >> we are playing. we, in the committee, which i sit in on plan to subpoena ms kelly, and, of course, our first step is to get the resolution, and allow the committee to give them subpoena powers for the next session. it starts tuesday. the first order of business for
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the speaker is to have a vote allowing the committee to continue their investigation through the subpoena power that will begin to them. >> we'll see where that investigation takes you. >> it will be a long year. we'll get to the bottom of this. >> thank you, we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you for having me. i'll be glad to come back to give you a follow up. >> former new mexico governor and former ambassador to the united nations and the author of book "how to sweet talk a shark - strategy and stories from a master negotiator" great to have you with us governor. is it possible that chris christie did not know what his staff was doing? >> well it is possible. he was very candid and let it all out yesterday in his press
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conference. he'll have to be right. i think he can't afford in the future to show that he had a connection. he was forthright. but i will say it does damage his ability to project bipartisanship that he's a tough guy that gets results. this was a bad incident. i give him the benefit of the doubt, having been a former governor, that he didn't know. one of the things that was brought up, even if he didn't know, is it a question of the culture he created. you had issues with your own staffers, do you think it is possible, that he has responsibility if his staffers thought this is something that chris cysty thought was okay. rather than indight governor christy on this, it seems that
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the attitude of the staffers, vin dictive, petty, retribution, he was not endorsed the let's go after the mayor, it's more indicative of perhaps if he wants to jump into the presidential waters. he needs a broader view that ha was wrong in doing this or was not petty. it's a question of if he wants to move into the big league he has to get a stronger staff. >> independent of what this might mean, how hard would a scandal like this make it to govern? >> well, it's early in his second term. he tried to put everything away in one press conference by, i must say, being candid. admitting the mistake.
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>> possibility he has stopped the bleeding at this point, but he's got to get more scrutiny. when you run for president, everything you do is scrutinised. he has invited scrutiny, and this is why i think he needs to rise above this debark m. it was not a plus, and get new staff and set a new tone. >> let's move on to north korea. you have been involved with the north koreans for a couple of decades, you travelled there a number of times. what was your reaction to everything that happened with dennis rodman. >> i felt dennis rodman, basketball diplomacy, ping-pong diplomacy, that that helps. after the last debackle of
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dennis rodman of basically hinting that kenneth bae the american detainee was possibly guilty, singing happy birthday to kim jong un, playing on kim jong un's birthday, basically being a mouth piece, the propaganda effort of dennis has totally in my view undermined his ability to use basketball diplomacy to try to better relation. i hope he has left town, north korea. i was disappointed. i'm an advocate of out of the box diplomacy. and he is the only guy to get in and see kim jong un. i tried and failed. they have a relationship. he could have pushed to get kenneth bae out. and he didn't seem to do that. >> you tried last year, you were there in january. do you think there's an opening, that there's a reason for
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optimism that kenneth bae will be released? >> unfortunately, i'm concerned that the north koreans want to use them as a bargaining chip. it's been over a year. 14 months. this man is not guilty, he's sick, has a family. because we know little about kim jong un and his negotiating tactics, i could deal with the old regime. i knew where they were coming from and we were able to get some releases out. with the young man he seems preoccupied with his own power base and brutally executed his uncle, replacing generals and feels they are not loyal to him. he's being challenged. the worry is there may be an implosion because it seems that the young man is not secure. we know so little about them. this is what is dangerous
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because north korea has nuclear weapons, missiles, a treaty with south korea. any incident can get us involve. the united states in a way that could be a real spark, a bad spark around the renal jog. >> a lot to be concerned about with a loose canon charged. in your book you talk about dealing with dictators. in the '90s, you were reversed to as the undersecretary of thugs, because you dealt with unsavoury characters. you got a couple of people released. you tried to get the release of alan gros. has there been progress? >> no, in fact i failed. i got upset because the cubans, i thought we had a deal and the cubans said, "no, we want the cuban four." you don't go one
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for four, you go one for one. it was an element in negotiations. instead of playing it cool and resuming my negotiations, i went to the press and denounced the cubans, i lost my cool and i'm not involved in the negotiations. i hope someone is pushing hard. this is a case where this man should come home, he did nothing wrong, there has to be an advocacy, and the alan grose case is a barometer as to whether american and cuban relations can improve. >> you are a high profile latino. john boehner is going to but forward ideas and i spoke to a
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congressman who was optimistic that immigration reform could pass. are you as hopeful? >> i'm hopeful because if you are a republican and want to colt the house and senate, you need the latino vote and that is looking at how members of congress are viewing legislation and the community is getting bigger and stronger. if the congress want to forget the vote. they will be a barrier. there are a lot of republicans moving in the right direction. most are in the senate. if you get a piecemeal approach and you roll something out.
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the ability for instance, the legalization provision, border provision, the provisions that allow individuals with high-level skills to stay in the united states, maybe you do that in a slower basis than the senate. john boehner i know him. i served in the house with him. he's realistic. he has a caucus of tea party republicans that make it hard for him to manoeuvre and gomp and do what is best not just for the country but his party. >> hillary clinton is expected to be the candidate. last month you suggested john cary could be a surprise candidate. any surprise that you would be a candidate. you ran a few years ago yourself. >> you have one shot. you don't keep going and going. i mentioned john cary. this was my opinion.
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i think he was a good secretary of state. he ran before and well. i don't know if he wants to do this. he may be mad at me. >> he is doing the secretary of state stuff. >> you had your issues with the clintons, you supported president obama in 2008 once you pulled out of the race. how is your relationship with hillary and bill? >> not too good. not too good. better with hillary than bill. you know, that's politics. i don't regret what i did. i think i made the right choice. hillary clinton will be a formidable candidate. i believe she'll run. you have someone like chris christie, who is a possible candidate. this incident will determine whether he makes it all the way. i think he's viable because of his record and his massive
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re-election victory in new jersey. if i'm a democrat you don't count the guy out. you have been advocating for the end. i know that today the human society named you its horseman of the year. i want to congratulate you for that. your book is "how to sweet talk a shark" former new mexico government. >> thank you, all the best to you. >> coming up we'll run down the changes president obama will make in the wake of the n.s.a. scandal. the curious case of the insane clown posies fans. why is the fbi intent on backing them. and we track the top stories on the web. >> it's a fascinating story. coming up, how a country increased the price of journalist visas. some think it's a move to keep reporters out of the country.
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what do you think. join the conversation at: crisis? >> i think it's going to
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>> will the president reign in the national security agency. jay carney announced friday that the president will change his plan to change the nation's intelligence gathering next friday. >> the president has been clear
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throughout this review process that we will not harm our national security or our ability to face global threats. the goal set here is to take measures create more transparency, introduce reforms that improve the system in a way that gives the american people more competence. >> what will the president's plan look like? we're joined from chicago by jeffrey stone, professor of law at the university of chicago, and gave the president 46 recommendations on how to change the intelligence agency in a way that would protect the privacy and civil liberties of the american people. great to have you on the show. how far you do expect president obama to go? how many will he implement?
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>> i hope he implements the vast majority. my guess is he will adopt the vast majority. >> which ones do you see as being the most important. >> in terms of the american public the section 215 is the one that got the most attention. the one where the nsa collects phone call records of american citizens, and utilizes that information when it has reasonable grounds to believe that a particular phone number belongs to a terrorist. but then yearries that david beckham to see whom that terrorist may be speaking with. that was controversial because it gathers up a huge amount of information, and our recommendations basically call for a number of changes in the program that are designed to enable and continue to serve the purpose that it does in terms of protecting the nation, but at the same time to be more respectful of interest and privacy, transparency, and to make sure there is a greater
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degree of trillion oversight. >> by keeping the data at the telephone companies. >> or create a private entity that would have control of the data, but not allow the nsa to hold the david beckham. >> fbfbi has found to turn over customer records and communications, the argument is after 9/11 you shouldn't be handcuffing any the intelligence communities efforts to keep the homeland safe. how do you respond to that? >> our view is that this would not handcuff the intelligence community. this judicial order, this is what we do for a search warrant where the government is gathering information about citizens, and we recommend that there, there be an emergency exception to the extent that time is of the essence and going
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to a judge would, in fact, impair the ability of the fbi to be effective. it woul would be alloweding to independently. we don't believe this would interfere with the fbi to carry out it's functions. but what it would do is injection a judicial officer to make the determination to make sure there is, in fact, legal justification to issue the ord order. >> the panel recommended when it comes to the fisa court, to argue against the argument when it comes to deciding what surveillance is apparent. you think that will go through? >> i'm confident that will go through. it makes a great deal of sense. it was the fisa court was created it was designed to deal with the equivalent of a search warrant request. the government comes in and said we have probable cause to do a wiretap, and the judge would say yes or no.
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that process usually takes place with only one side presented. the request is presented and the judge rules. but technology has changed, the law has changed and the fisa occasionally has to resolve very complicated statutory questions. when those issues arise as always is the case it's important that the judges hear both sides of the case. >> but the working of the court would be classified. how would you have any oversight to insure the advocate was being effected? >> well, the advocate would be effective, you have talented committed people who do the work. right now there is no other size being present: the fisa court's work is classified. before the fisa court was created the assumption the president could do this entirely
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on his own. with no judicial initiative. this builds on that and not only says you have to get a court approval. and when it is controversial both sides need to be presented. i do believe the president will approve that recommendation. >> you're putting occupy recommendations protecting foreigners, non-americans abroad. is that necessary? some would say we're supposed to be spying on people abroad, especially if it's protecting the united states. >> of course we're supposed to be spying on people who pose a danger to the united states. but we are a variety of interests that come into play to strike the right balance. one of them is the relationship for the countries. it's important for us, especially for our allies that they feel that they feel we're treating their citizens in an
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appropriate manner, partly because we want them to treat our citizens in an appropriate manner. and if we're treating citizens in a way that they think is unfair it will jeopardize relationships. we're part of an international human rights culture which we're supposed to respect the fundamental rights of all citizens regardless they are americans or otherwise. this recommendation is modest but it's designed to recognize that we live in a single international community and within certain limits it's important that we respect the interest and privacy rights, particularly among our allies. >> a last question, people at the white house say if the president does find some middle ground in the end nobody is going to be happen with what he does next week? >> i think there are two reactions. on the one hand many people will be upset because he did something or he didn't everything.
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but there are a lot of reasonable people, not the one who is did most of the shouting, who will understand that he made important steps going forward, he'll protect privacy and civil liberties of the people without effecting the security of the nation. >> thank you for your time. >> my pleasure. thanks for having me. >> turning to the fbi now turning to a lawsuit after naming a rock group as a gang. the aclu of michigan has joined the group and four of its fans in suing the fbi and the department of justice arguing that the "gang" label is unwarranted and has negatively affected the band's business and the fans. we go to an attorney
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representing the insane clown posse, he considers himself a jugal oh. so you're a jugalo, is discuss that make you a gang member. >> i guess that makes me a gang member who happens to be a lawyer. early on when they case started they coined me the jugalawyer. there are register nurses, police officers that i've interfered, people who work your normal 9:00 to 5:00 job. there are professor, doctors, so i guess we're all part of some loosely organized hybrid gang according to the fbi. >> the obvious question how do you just designate hundreds of thousands of people as being part of a gang for liking a band? >> that's a good question, we're very perplexed by it.
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the first lawsuit that we filed back in 2012 was because we did it the freedom of information act to find that out. after a lot of hard work we got stuff that was totally unrelated to anything that would be considered an organized criminal gang. really, what we found was there was certain crimes, random crimes around the country with people who happen to be wearing an icpt shirt or logo on their face page. >> the robbery and a beating of a homeless man by a pair of jugalos, and a jugalos who shot
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and killed a woman, has there been any organized group activity that would lead the fbi to label the group as a gang? >> not that we know of, not that the fbi has reported to us, and again we tried very hard to get that information. >> so why do you think they did it, and has any other bands' fans been targeted in a similar way? >> i like an it to, antonio, basically there was--there are millions of deadheads, and obviously the deadheads, there was at one point an investigation by the fbi into the some fans that considered themselves deadheads selling lsd at concerts. that's about the closest there's been. there has another been anything this serious as a gang classification. but you can look at it hippies
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in general, or the punk rock movement. juglos are a subculture that has formed itself around a genre of music. people are scared of--it's not mainstream music, obviously, and if the fbi labeled all hippy as gang i think people would think that would be ridiculous. since they don't know what jugalos are, they hesitate and don't know if this is right or wrong, but there are plaintiffs in the lawsuit of ways this has affected people in ways you can't imagine. >> i want to get to those stories in a minute. but we have stories from social media. >> twitter user maverick dragon wrote in to say i know a few jugals. they consider themselves a gang. they cover for each other's acts. how do you account for this?
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>> there are different reports whether there are hundreds of thousands of jugals. you could have fans of gangster rap, you might have some that consider themselves real gangsters, it doesn't mean that everybody is a gangster. the way that's effecting order people is basically there are people who are trying to enlist in the army such as scott gandy a plaintiff in the case and are being denied enlisting in the army. there are people--there are people who have lost custody of their children because they ha have--they live to icp or have an icp t-shirt or paint their faces once in a while. this has affected people in ridiculous ways. i could technically lose my law license because i could be considered gang affiliated for
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having an icp t-shirt or going to their concert. >> what damages are you seeking from the fbi and the justice department? >> we're not seeking any financial compensation. we're trying to stop the bleeding so people will stop being harassed, people stop losing their jobs and losing their careers. they shouldn't be afraid to listen to music in this country. they shouldn't be afraid to like a certain type of art or genre of music. we're only seeking relief--the only relief we're seeking is to be removed from the federal gang list, fbi gang list. >> thank you for your time. we appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> we'll find out what is tren trending on www.aljazeera.com. >> antonio, journalists have gone from $180 to $7,000 in a little known country called naru. many are asking why. well, thousands of asylum
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seekers fleeing places like iran, syria and afghanistan are rerouted to this island while trying to get to australia by boat. the detention center has been called unsafe and inhumane, and even cruel and harsh by some australian applications. why raise the cost of journalist visas to naru, to such an extreme amount? it was written i in an e-mail: . >> one thing came to mind for an australian senator, and she tweeted it to me. to keep of media off the island to keep the public in the dark on what's really going on. senator's opinion was echoed by planmany online. you can read more at www.aljazeera.com. one more peculiar detail, if you pay the $7,000 your application could still be turned down and journalists could never make it
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she are penned a recent editorial, why cold turkey is not the only route. really thought provoking stuff book. when you look at alcoholics anonymous, when it comes to really serious drinking but there isn't very much evidence that it's not that successful. >> aa's own membership studies show that for any given 100 americans who begin, there will be five left at the end of the year. 80 to 90% of our rehab facilities use aa as their model. >> why has it become the model, the model you always hear about, the model that's on the newspapers television and movies? >> exactly as you just said because it's always on television shows and movies and that's what our medical system relies on even though it's ineffective our legal system
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sends people into aa and because the narrative is really familiar for people to be lost, and then to be found. ask really something that is -- it makes a lot of sense to our nation that has very christian mores. i can see that that person sinned and now they're better because they found god. >> and actually the whole faith based side of it is an issue for alcoholics who are not ball two efers. >> correct. -- who are not believers. >> it's a violation of the first amendment to send someone to aa which courts do regardless approximately. >> why do we focus so much on that one size fits all when other countries don't do it? >> first of all our medical system our doctors are not trained in the new methodologies, our legal system is not trained in our methodologies and in other cases drugs are used.
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>> what are those methodologies. >> cognitive behavior therapy, teaching people to moderate, to keep your self,able to the moderation you choose to do. cost benefit analysis look see where they cross the line. we're not very comfortable with that as a nation. we seem to think okay if you have a problem with drinking absencabstinence is best. >> why are we not using drugs more often when they seem to be used to good effect in other places? >> well a lot of people haven't heard about these drugs because they are generic. they are available very, very cheaply and pharmaceutical companies aren't making big bucks off of them. >> what do the drugs do? >> a drug called maltrexoid a
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opioid blocker, blocks the ability of the brain to field that reward. so if you take a drink after you have had maltrexone you don't feel the reward. >> it makes it less attractive? >> exactly. >> there's a program called moderation management that you can go online helps you continue to drink but to control it so it's not aproblem? >> absolutely. much in the way that weight watchers gives people the control to take over their eating hands and moderation management is one methodology. it's an online free group that you can go to nobody's making any money out of that either. there is an app that people can use. there's an app available at mod pratdrinking.com. there's
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another -- moderate drinking.com. it's available on toins iunderstand the, the maker is sobell s-o-b-e-l-l. >> one of thing,. >> 2002 put in a note on her website that said, moderation is not working for me. i'm not one of the people for whom moderation works. i'm going to join choik join alcoholics anonymous and it's a month later that she had that d.u.i. >> people athat are so alcohol addicted, cold turkey has to be the way they go.
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but where do you draw the line for people who is a problem and where alcohol is a real problem. >> we have a spectrum called alcohol use disorder. that's what thing scientific term of that. if you are on the mild to moderate spectrum, if you haven't gotten fired you haven't had a d.u.i. you haven't lost your kids you're not firing off crazy rabid e-mails to your colleagues at night when you're loaded, then moderation is probably something that you might want to consider. a serious moderation program. obviously, as you said if you are alcohol dependent and you need a shot of vodka first thing in the morning to steady your nerves you're probably not a candidate. >> i know moderation management calls for abstaining for a month before you go into a managed drinking life. >> exactly. >> thought provoking and very
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the documentary caucus, airing here on al jazeera america, at 9:00 sunday eastern, is the back stabbing politics of the iowa cause of action. >> this race race has been about two candidates but the problem is it hasn't been the same two candidates for any five minutes in a row. >> this isn't going to be close this election, not going to be close. >> you want to race [simultaneous speech] ♪ >> it's just great to be out here. >> yeah,
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whatever. a.j. schnack is the director of cawks. you had no particular focus on who your main characters were going to be. they ended up being michelle bachmann. ended up high and ended up low. >> santorum you thought would be this kind of colorful character, your best supporting actor so to speak but had he this miraculous rise in the last two weeks that i don't think anybody saw coming. >> you ended up portraying him quite favorably. not because he just ended up winning the caucus. >> he had an old fashioned retail politics, he did drive around in a pickup truck with one or two staffers, meeting everyone he could, there was a
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line in the film that sometimes he would talk, would outlast the questioners. with somebody who didn't have money to do this, it was a good thing these days approximately. >> retail politics in a mid western state ends up being so important for the presidential process. >> i was under the impression that if you didn't have a lot of money there was no way you could play in the american presidential election. the idea that you can be somebody going around with very little money answering people's questions i think is a great thing for american democracy. >> it's interesting how that happened in iowa. you caught all sorts of moments. what were the most awkward things you saw? >> the great thing about being in iowa is they are really learning how to campaign. today could seem to be a great day but if you are mitt romney you might get
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heckled, at the state fair, you could have somebody put a corn dog in your hand, a vegetarian corn dog, and if they didn't win in thumb wrestling they would have to are go up against michelle bachmann. early states. >> sit great though? you know that if you don't flip the pork chops at the county fair properly or if you're in these situation he where you have to be quick on your feet and you have no idea what's going to come to you from an audience that this those things have a disproportionate effect on the race? >> he you are going to have crazy things thrown at you. the ability to sort of adapt to many different kinds of situations, in iowa a lot of those are small town fairs and you know situations that you probably aren't going to run
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into in the oval office but the ability to see average americans, and what their concerns are that is important to our democracy and it wouldn't work in states where you would have to spend a lot of money to even be competitive. >> it's good for the candidates, they are seeing things they wouldn't see. >> the candidates got much better about being candidates, about talking about who they were and what they wanted to doos president. >> what -- >> surprised you the most? >> that they were going into these pizza ranches and coffee shops and getting people to listen to them. i covered the rairgs in 2008 and seeing the candidates and really remarkable. >> at the smallest level. a dozen people at times really individual politics. how different were the candidates from their public
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personas, in the end does this kind of retail politics bring out who they are willia ? >> either they had have a very specific idea who they are or maybe they're type-cast in some way. seeing them with any kind of rounded edges was interesting. santorum was a guy who wore his heart on his sleeve. if he was annoyed that day, you could see how annoyed he was. he had boundless enthusiasm, you were seeing the actual guy and that was kind of interesting. >> you think the smaller the campaign actually helped him. he was on time for things, he managed to keep up with things, bachmann who went out too early actually weighed her down? >> her first stop on her first day of campaigning she was told, no matter what you do, don't be late.
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she would always be late for her first appointment of the day and it would domino from there. people felt you're rushing in you're rushing out you're not giving tuesday kind of time we want to know who you are. >> only about 20 seconds left. is there any favorite moment in the time you were in iowa? >> rick santorum likes to eat. he went for a cinnamon roll and took the middle of the cinnamon roll and shook off the outside. for people to be able to see, i really liked that. >> most of us like that. >> no one else saw it. >> thanks a lot for coming in best of lust on the documentary. ing caucus airs on sunday 9:00 eastern. the show may be over but the ...
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