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they even began to talk. so talk takes a while. none of us are satisfied with leaving syria to the kind of horrendous acts that have engaged in, which is why i said there will be parallel efforts being made while the talks are going on in order to try to find different pressure points and different ways of finding a solution, but my sense is that -- this is already one of the worst catastrophes of humanitarian crises in the world today. you have upwards of 9 million people displaced. the burden on jordan is growing and significant. the burden on lebanon is growing and significant. the increase of the number of terrorists and terrorist groups
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is unacceptable to any nation that cares about stability and -- and -- and the long-term safety and security of our people. so this crisis is growing, not diminishing, and i believe the impact is going to be -- continue to be felt in ways that is going to compel others to think in many different ways to think about the options down the road. it is now 1:00 eastern time, you are listening to secretary of state john kerry talking about the ongoing crisis in syria. he has been speaking for about 20 minutes concerning the negotiations going on in switzerland right now. we rejoin the secretary of state. >> it is up to all of us to make sure that geneva or one of the parallel tracks works. and i'm not going to talk about the possibilities of it not
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finding some road forward. >> iran was disinvited because they did not endorse the geneva communique, but neither does tht syrian government. iran is almost as much a part of the conflict as the syrian government. can you really expect to make progress without finding a way to involve iran at some point? and i just spent months in the region, and everybody i spoke to said there is no way that things will get better if you don't get iran and saudi arabia to talk to each other. how can you help facilitate that? >> i'm not going to go into the
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details, but obviously we're very aware of the need for a number of specific countries to be able to contribute to a solution, rather than to be part of the problem. with respect to iran's participation formally in the conference, it was very clear what the standard was for participation. we never, ever minced our words about that. we always said countries that want to support geneva 1 >> which since 2012 has been the framework. since june of 2012, that has been the framework. and country after country after country have signed up to geneva 1 communique. so you need to ask yourself why
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iran won't sign up to it. not why they are not here? why would they not agree as every other nation has, that this is the method that even in the russian federation signed up to it and was here. so i believe with russia and other efforts -- saudi arabia was here. they weren't going to be here, but they decided it was important and they came. so i think they we have a critical mass building, and iran has the ability to help make a difference. we hoped that they would decide to be constructive and make a decision to operate in a way going forward that can allow them to do so. there are plenty of ways that that door can be open in the
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next weeks and months, and my hope is that they will want to join. >> president obama has never taken any option off the table in dealing with syria. he made that very clear when he made a decision to must military force, he made the decision in the context of the chemical weapons. the chemical weapons problem got solved, but he left that issue on the table. as he did leave it on the table for the full compliance of syria with that agreement. so the president has fully left that option on the table with respect to the compliance issue with the chemical weapons.
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the president never takes any option off the table. >> thank you, everyone. >> thank you all. >> thank you, but everybody else does, too. >> you have been listening to u.s. secretary of state john kerry concerning the three-year bloody civil war unfolding in syria. thousands dead. hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced. one major sticking point being bashar al-assad the president of syria who has indicated time and time again indicated he's going nowhere. nick schifrin, that seems to be the sticking point as these talks continue with bashar al-assad. >> reporter: the trick now is how the international community can put pressure on assad. the notion is there are a lot of violence, government attacks,
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jet strikes, a lot of barrel bombs. these bombs that roll through communities and destroy and blow out entire homes in communities. the trick now is how do you get that to stop? how do you get the humanitarian crisis to stop, how do you get the assad government to stop the violence. you saw kerry there. he said specifically he understands how alone assad is standing up for himself. that's the cake away. the u.s. needs to find a pressure point on assad, needs to convince assad it can't act with impunity. the government cannot act with impunity, otherwise this violence will keep going. from the u.s. officials point of view they believe there is only two ways to get assad to stop. one is a military action as we've seen president obama is very, very hesitant to do any of that. and so what do you do if you can't actually have a military strike against assad to convince him to stop? you try to isolate him. you try to diplomatically make
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it so difficult on him to continue what he's doing that he must stop. the syrian option isn't strong enough to convince assad to stop and the united states, the international community isn't strong enough to convince him of that. that's why you heard kerry talk about isolated assad, trying to get him to feel like he can't act with impunity any more, but there is no evidence that the syrian government has to feel that it will stop. and even though kerry is emphasizing the folks of peace processes. >> kerry emphatic concerning bashar al-assad. we have that bound bit sound bi. >> you cannot have peace, you cannot have stability, you cannot restore syria, you cannot save syria from disintegration as long as bashar al-assad remains in power. >> so nick, with that as a backdrop is there confidence
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that these peace talks can achieve something, or are there concerns without some type of military intervention nothing can happen in syria? >> reporter: one u.s. official put it to me this way. there is no plan b. there is nothing that they can do, at least admitted publicly, that they can do if these talks fail. they have no way to go forward without these talks keep going. they can't even admit or can't even think about publicly whether these talks are going to fail because they have no other option. and that's when you hear kerry say we're going to isolate assad. that's why the rhetoric from the united states has gotten much more clear than a few months ago. kerry has found his voice when it comes to criticizing assad. he's much more direct in calling for assad's ouster. he's much more direct in trying to convince assad and his regime to stop what he's doing but again there is no evidence that assad feels like he has to stop. until that impunity, that
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feeling that assad can keep on attacking his own people can actually be taken away from him, then the violence will continue. and whether a military strike has to be put back on the table as kerry was asked at the end, well it's not clear that obama is willing to do that. the syrian government knows that full well. so what the u.s. is trying to do is trying to find different pressure points to put on assad, but it's not clear that they've found them, yet. >> nick schifrin in switzerland, we should point out these talks are on the heels of that report, the world trying to come to grips with the horrible images coming out of syria. this new report accuses the assad regime of systematically torturing and killing people. we should warn you that the images are very, very disturbing. >> the photographs are goafic and alarming. most of the victims are young men. many of them emaciated,
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bloodstained and showing signs of torture. some have no eyes, others may have been strangled or electrocuted. the evidence is more detailed and on a far larger scale than anything else that has emerged during the 34 month conflict. one of the leading lawyers who examined the evidence said it amounted to industrial-scale killing. >> it's arrowing pictures of starving bodies. they're remnan reminiscent of te pictures coming out of auschwitz from the second world war. these were people were tortured as well number some cases the eyes were gouge you had at strangulation was regularly found around the neck. >> reporter: the source is a photographer with the syrian police. only identified as caesar.
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he smuggled out the photos on photo sticks. at one point he was photographing 50 bodies a day. the report was commissioned bay leading law firm acting for qatar, which has demanded syrian leaders bashar al-assad's prosecution. they had led prosecutions in the international court at the hague. they have claimed systemic killing of detained persons by the syrian government. it would report crimes against humanity and support findings of war crimes against the current syrian regime. but any action at the international criminal court would face many hurdles. tim friend, al jazeera. >> we go back to al jazeera's nick schifrin i.
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we heard the secretary of state talking about this report. what are the other delegates saying? >> reporter: well, i think the u.s. calling for an investigation just like the united nations, human rights groups called for an investigation if into this. this is a significant step, and kerry raising that and talking about those photos, as we just saw are absolutely horrific. we'll put the ball forward on this. we'll put more pressure on president bashar al-assad and the things he is alleged to have done to these protesters. this just goes on with what kerry is trying to do. he's trying to create an international consensus to isolate assad, and this rhetoric, and saying what assad is and calling assad a war criminal. it goes to show how much the u.s. is trying to isolate him and step up the game, if you will, for lack of any military
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pressure on assad, trying to create more political pressure and legal pressure on assad. if the u.n. does go forward with that investigation we can be sure we'll be talking about these allegations of torture, whether or not they're true or not, but the fact that we were talking about them, that means that will isolate assad, more people will see him in a certain way, and that's exactly what the u.s. is trying to do, trying to get assad to be isolated, and seen even more negatively than he already is, and this investigation and these goats go along with that. >> nick schifrin, thank you for all the work you've been doing. we should point out that in syria the fighting goes on even as we speak. more than 500,000 fleeing the fighting, they're relocating to nearby countries including jordan. there any talk much peace is met with skepticism. they don't believe this peace conference will end the violence. we talked tranches in to refuga
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lebanon camp. >> we know this is happening, we're following but we're not very interested in knowing all the details because we don't have high expectations of this conference. they say the conference comes three years too late, and it will be all talk even the more optimistic refugees say if the conference and these negotiations come out with decisions, it's going to be so difficult to implement them. such as cease fires. there are so many rebel groups fighting on the ground in syria, especially those associated with al-qaeda, they are not part of these negotiations. even if a cease-fire is reached, there is a decision to try to reach a calm, those groups are not going to be part of that. and the people here feel that no one is going to commit to any
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such decision. so the expectations are quite low of this conference. people aren't really following it, but they say they do know its happening. >> meanwhile, the unrest in syria and the widening gap between rich and poor are among the key topics of discussion in the world economic forum going on in davos, switzerland. >> it's often described as a giant networking event, or as it's been put, a constellation of egos in an orgy of adulation. the headline appearance will likely be that of iran's president hassan rouhani. his country had been invited and then uninvited in the talks about the war in syria. >> i think what president
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rouhani wants from this forum is credibility. he'll present the friendlier face of iran, and he wants to convince this audience that he is somebody they can do business with, talk w and they're not going to get a lot of rhetoric, but someone they can reason with and negotiate with. >> reporter: the suffering in syria will impress minds and others in the region. israel's benjamin netanyahu will be in the same convention center if not rubbing shoulders with president rouhani. the two are avowed enemies. attendees are some of the richest and most powerful people in the world, they will try to stay focused on the headline theme no less the reshaping of the world, looking at possible causes of conflict and instability like climate change,
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income difference in any, and employment of youth around the world. >> if you step back and look at this as global leaders, we look at the youth, the teenagers, those in in their early 20's, these our leaders of tomorrow. >> reporter: one important statistic hangs heavy in the swiss mountain air, the 85 richest individuals in the world are now worth as much as the poorest 3.5 billion people. and most of them are here. >> a new report accusing the assad regime of systematically torturing and killing thousands of people. many calling those images horrific. secretary of state john kerry going one step further moments
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ago. >> photographs and documentation of mass torture with bodies with numbers on them and designations written on them. and the questions raised by this require an answer. i can't tell you exactly what all of it is except that i know there are people who have suffered egregious torture and death. we join with them in demanding that there be a thorough investigation of these charges. >> when we come back there has also been a major new development concerning that chemical spill in west virginia. the details straight ahead.
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>> there's extreme sensitivity to the court case. normally we are allowed to stand about 200 metres towards the beijing court for the trial. we are being pushed away by local police. people are being herded out of the area. this didn't happen for the court kiss for borche li, showing how serious the government is taking the case against jing yong, charged with attempting to disrupt order in a public place, because of a campaign against education laws in china. he was campaigning for the rights of country side children who are not allowed to attend schools and universities in urban areas of he was detained
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kay into the elk river. now to the department of environmental protection is ordering to release any unknown chemical by 4:00 p.m. today. this is what happened, authorities imposing a ban on the tap water affected 300,000 people. on january 17th part of that ban was lifted. but just yesterday officials confirmed this situation was far worse than first reported. jonathan martin has the latest from charleston. >> reporter: for three weeks the concern in west virginia was about a chemical that leaked from this tank at freedom industries into the elk river which supplies drinking water for nine counties. drinking, cooking, bathing has been banned for days. now a second chemical was leaked into the river. west virginia officials learned tuesday 300 gallons of the
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chemical were mixed in with the mchm crude which leaked into the river, revealing it was part of the mixture. health officials for the center of disease control and prevention said that the chemicals small enough that it was likely diluted by the river water and water treatment processes will have removed it. testing will confirm that. what is good for good is trust. quote, it was freedom's responsibility to let people know that there was another chemical in the tank, and they did not. >> that is jonathan martin reporting from charleston, west virginia. mexico is trying to block an execution set for today in tex texas. a mexican citizen was accused of killing a police officer ten years ago. he was in the country illegally and was not given access to the mexican consul which they claim
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was a breach of international law. we go to central mexico. >> making a final appeal for a man they say should not be executed. marchers at a protest are hoping to convince officials in texas to spare his life. he was convicted of killing a texas police officer in 1994, shot three times in the back of the head. he's scheduled to die by legal injection in texas. under the vienna convention, foreign nationals have a right to assistance. tamaya was not told this. and they say if the execution goes ahead it will be a violation of international law. >> there is a stay of execution. at the moment the government has not changed it's position. paperwork is being processed, and i want to normal you up to the last minute, practically up to the last second the texas
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governor can change or give his pardon, so that possibility exists. >> reporter: secretary of state john kerry also is pushing for a stay of execution. he sent a letter to governor rick perry saying it may be more difficult for u.s. helping its citizens abroad. tamayo is severely mentally challenged with a low i.q. he would not be the first mexican not granted access to the consular. three years ago another man died by lethal injection for the rape and murder of a 16-year-old girl. it's clear what a big issue this case has become for townspeople because hanging outside of city hall is a sign that usa texas a pardon for edgar tamayo. the sign does not get into the technicality of the case.
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but the signs say he is innocent, he is innocent. >> reporter: they have been following his case since he was arrested in 1994. >> i believe it is unfair because he has been in prison for 20 years. maybe we don't understand the laws there, but we feel it is unfair. what can we do besides hope. >> reporter: so far there is no sign that texas' governor or prison officials will change their mind and spare tamayo's life. >> a criminal case more than 70 years old may be getting a new trial. the case involves the youngest person ever to be executed in the u.s. the 14-year-old, who was black, with you put to death for killing two white girls back in 1944. the there was no evidence but the all white jury found him guilty in minutes. advocates want to clear his name. >> this was handled so poorly. his family was treated so poorly
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in the circumstances of marc march 1944. >> that hearing continues today. not clear yet if the judge will decide there will be a new trial. >> the protest in ukraine turns deadly. the demonstrations have been going on now for two months. protesters are upset at the government's rejection of an european union treaty and it's further alignment with the russian government. edward snowden said allegations that he is a russian spy are absurd. mike rogers alleged that snowdon had help when he secured classified documents from the national security agency. snowed endeniesnowdon denied thn
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and said he worked alone. he remains under temporary asylum in russia. a lot of families are upset with available schools and turning to homeschooling instead. some students strife, but some wind up getting lost in the system. >> rosetta ward works on spelling with her eight-year-old son joel. >> you see how the e "e" and the "i" are switched there? the parents set their own lesson plans in deciding how and what to teach. there are no regulations governing homeschooler. oklahoma is the one state where the right to homeschool is enshrined in the constitution. it's one of 25 states where there is little or no homeschooling oversight. in these states homeschoolers don't even have to show that education is taking place. ward is a member of the homeschool legal defense association, a conservative
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christian organization with a powerfully lobbying arm that has fought for and won this deregulated environment. but there is a big gap between the homeschool ideal and for many children the reality. no regulations means parents don't have to register their homeschooled children, and it's up to the parents to make sure that the kids are getting an education. but here at this gated housing project in tulsa, oklahoma, we're told there are dozens of kids, maybe as many as 100 or more of all ages who aren't in school and who aren't getting any education at home either. there is no way to know because no one is keeping any records. >> we're really concerned for these children. we hear stories of kids who are ten years old and don't know their alphabet. >> working in the coordination of juvenile affairs. >> i think this is a hidden
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issue of homeschooling. >> truancy laws don't apply. in many states there is no testing. >> there is no obligation on the part of the parents to show that education is taking place? >> no, no one will check on. >> you heather knows a thing or two about bad situations and home schools. she helped start the coalition for responsible home education, an organization of formerly homeschooled kids pushing for oversight. >> you have cases in every state, some states more than others. >> reporter: it's a horrifying litany, dozens of cases, no one knows, because until she started her work there was not even an attempt to keep track. children removed from school or never sent to school in religious homes or dysfunctional ones, starved, beaten, abused and sometimes killed. >> parents should have a right to oversee their children's education. parents should not have a right to decide whether or not their
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child gets an education. >> thathat she will la mc sheilr reporting. you can see that report at 9:00 p.m. eastern time on al jazeera america. we want to take you live right now back to montreux, switzerland. we continue with our continuing coverage of al jazeera english. >> it's very clear. it's very clear. this kind of rhetorics you have heard from some speakers before me are really counter productive and unuseful, and they are not respectic, by threspectic--reale way. what we need from the conference is to help genuinely speaking
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the syrian people putting an end to the terrorism, exerting pressure on those governments who are supporting, harboring, financing, training the terrorist in syria. why we are saying this the security council say that, combating terrorism, prohibits and ban any member state from supporting terrorist, whether it is resolution related to taliban or related to al-qaeda or relating to excitement to terrorism, or 1988 or 1989, which also speak about the necessity for all member states to refrain from supporting terrorism. so we have a whole arsenal of
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legal arsenal emmat emanating fm u.s. activities with regard to combating terrorism. everyone should be engaged in this process. recently speaking, this will be my last remark, the council of corporation of the gulf states g.c.c. met with kuwait on december 19th. i have here the outcomes of this meeting in which if you go through it, and please google it, and you will find that these states governments of the gulf states are inciting to violence
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governing body with full executive powers. what about having figures, moderate figures in the government. it is a whole package. we cannot be selective about that, meaning that all parties have to implement all the provisions of geneva one apart from any facility. this is quite important. the next item of geneva one is to put an end to violence. put an end to terrorism, with all due respect to this official or the other, this is their own point of view. the most important thing is that what the syrians agree on within
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the dialogue that has not started yet. the implementation will cover all the items of geneva one. explanations are--have to do with each official, but once again this is part of the process that will be discussed next friday. we cannot be proactive, and we cannot mix cause or be selecti selective. as t as. as for the government, ten
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states from added to the conference and that statements were provocative. first question is there are no syria conventions to solve the syrian crisis, and to put an end to the killing of civilians by terrorists. that's the first point. second point which is a hypothetical question. suppose the coalition and delegation and the government agree on geneva two, how influential would the opposition be as they they have no control over the jihadists and the armed forces? >> yes, i refer to the format where 40 states were invited. as i said, that was pre-planned
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where the majority of countries were anti-syrian. iran was excluded because they believe iran supports or defend syria. the point is iran has an influence in the region, and if you really want syria to reach a safe harbor, then all influential countries must have been invited in order to guarantee the outcome that will come of that in the meetings. however, one of the most important statements was a statement made where they defended, and said that strangely enough they reached the moon while iran itself
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launched rockets, satellites to the moon, and they will have a manned spaceship in 2020. so defending the theory by the representative emphasize what we argue qatar support terrorism. the second point has to do with how influential the coalition is. this is another problem. the general secretary of the united nations sent an invitation to the coalition only. he did not send an invitation to the other opposition inside syria and outside of syria, which cause a lot of imbalance in the composition of the
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opposition. the delegation of opposition is simply a delegation of the opposition. there was no other personage from inside, outside of this coalition. that's why this coalition is not representative of the whole gamut of the syrian opposition. we pointed that out in order to send an invitation to all of the opposition whether inside or outside syria. >> we heard last week from moscow that syria is ready to implement some local cease fires and other humanitarian measures. we have not heard anything about that. these ideas are still on the table? >> thank you very much for this
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question. yes, the initiative was launched by our minister in moscow, delivered to mr. lav rov. he conveyed the syrian initiative to minister kerry, and after a while he asked mr. kerry what happened, and the answer was that washington is still trying to make--to get in touch and make a pressure on the armed groups plating in aleppo. so we're waiting for the americans to get an answer from these groups operating in alep aleppo. with regard to the implementation of this initiative. >> secretary general ban ki-moon
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said in the first conference that they spoke about terrorism, political solutions, and situation that they said that terrorism is a result of the conditions not the cause. also in your press release you provided a number of documents that prove involvement of saudi arabia, qatar and terrorism and the conclusion of the morning session representative of the coalition saudi arabia and other countries that are said to be supporters of terrorism terrorism is not a result of the humanitarian situation in syria.
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there were other difficult situations in other parts of the world, earthquakes, tsunamis, which claimed the lives of hundreds of people. so was the reaction of these countries, the people of these countries react by terrorism against their own government? not at all. of course, there are tough humanitarian conditions in syria, we do not disregard that, however, we say let's be transparent. let's analyze the reason for these communique and conditions. terrorism, scared civilians. terrorism that have--that have affected the cities like aleppo,
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>> my name is ahmed exac zachar. i shall speak in arabic. sir, there are war crimes that have taken place in syria, testimony of that the photographs that have been sent all over the world of detainees who died under torture and was verified internationally. is the democratic process going to bring to justice the perpetrators of such crimes? you also mentioned what happened in the slaughtering of people on the basis of their identity and sectarian basis. i believe what happened is
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something that took place at the hands of hezbollah and their groups. how about also what you call barrels, explosive barrels, where do they come from? >> legally speaking every crime the perpetrator must be punished in a manner equal to the immensity of the crime, whether it is killing a person or whether it's a massacre or whether it is a crime against humanity or a war crime. a crime that leads to the death of a person must be punished. the legal accountability must be applied to all, and that's by virtue of the national laws. syria is party to scores of
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international conventions on combating crime whether it's transboundary crimes or crimes committed on the territory of the country, and we are party to these convention. the most important point here the influential countries or some of the influential countries would like to apply their laws, dictate their laws on other countries. in other words, they do not recognize the sovereignty of other state members in the united nations. that's the same manner in which they deal with third world countries. here is the crux of the matter, the national laws in all in every country has supremacy. in the absence of a legal text that deals with such a crime we resort to international law.
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that's by way of principle. in practice there is the international law and the application of international law is, unfortunately, it has been politicized. there is nothing in the united nations that has not been politicized. i do not want to go into details, or give you many examples of this now let me mention the question of the photographs that you mentioned. i know what you're thinking about. the photographs that you mentioned remind me of the scandal of the use of chemical weapons and other similar incidents that may have led to an armed attack, on who you answered me, on syria. the latest report--the latest issued by the massachusetts
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institute that proves that all the american discourse was fake, was fabricated, and it is not based on truth. after that the matter was raised before the security council, and it does not accuse the government. in fact, it referred to the fact that certain syrian members of the army and soldiers died because of these chemical attacks. in the conference that i have mentioned that took place in kuwait lately the photographs were fabricated there, and these photographs were fabricated, manufactured in kuwait on the 19th of december. i am not saying that in syria
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there are no victims, there is no torture, there is no high level of deaths. i'm telling you, i'm not denying the fact that there are many mistakes that are being committed. not just in syria, in all countries of the world. but there is accountability. there is national accountability, not international. every time an issue comes to the surface people claim there is a need of an international tribunal. that's why they take-- >> we've been listening to the ambassador to the u.n. and answering questions at the day one of geneva two talks. he maintains the focus and need
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to fight against terrorism in syria. he talked about photographs saying there is evidence that the syrian government has tortured detainees. he said those photographs were fabricated and said more countries were added to the list of atennees, and they seem to be anti-syrian, and because iran was excluded there was imbalance to these talks. let's go to a syrian politician and member of the syrian national council. he's also a member of the opposition delegation at those talks in geneva. so we heard what the syrian ambassador to the u.n. had to say. we heard what the syrian foreign minister had to say. the sir january government focusing on the need to fight terrorism in the war in syria. your reaction to what has been
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said so far on day one. okay, i'm going to try once again. can you hear me? >> yes, i can hear you. >> so we heard the syrian government maintaining the line that they need to focus on the need to fight terrorism in the war in syria, and what is your perspective of how the talks have gone so far? >> pardon? the question was not really clear. the voice is echoing. >> what is your reaction to wh what's happened on day one? >> okay, i mean, my reaction, sorry, have we started the
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interview? >> yes, what is your reaction, the syrian reaction to what has happened on day one. >> yes, i can say that today it was clearly a very obvious example of this regime's behavior. the regime came on board to attack everyone, came to promise chaos for the region and the world. it clearly said that it's not going to cooperate on any subject on the agenda of this conference. this conference is based on the geneva one documents, and the opposition has clearly said that it's ready to sign the document straight away, and the head of the opposition delegation did offer a signature witnessed by the international community, and we asked the other delegation that represents others to sign it immediately. but i think they never even mentioned the word geneva today.
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>> welcome to al jazeera america. i'm del walters. these are the stories that we're following for. >> you there is no one who had a done more to syri make syria a magnate to terrorists than bashar al-assad. west virginia giving freedom industries two hours to disclose all information about the chemical spill into the elk river. and we take a look at homeschooling and h
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