mike haines on technology to protect kids and pros from brain injuries. should college football players unionize? welcome to consider. here is more on what is ahead. >> a former u.s. sold we are was accused of spying. >> they have poor judgment.

>> a way for the ukrainians to demonstrate their seriousness is to free mahn. >>. >> this is supposed to be the war on terror. i knew there was another war hidden in the shadows. >> the consequences of a blow to the head is worse in children. of 1.5 billion impacts, 500 million are unnecessary. >> players on a college team want to join a labour union. >> we begin with iran adds luke lair program. inspectors visited a mine, a goodwill gesture. can iran be trusted despite the

piles and whiles of president hassan rouhani. meanwhile in syria there are reports the bashar al-assad government is buying oil from groups allied with al qaeda. up until now they were considered bashar al-assad's deadly enemies. i'm joined by mark ginsberg, former ambassador to morocco, he moderated a panel for senate staffers on whether iran could deal in good faith. how far is iran willing to go. we heard foreign ministers say iran will not dismantle heavy sentry fumes for the water reactor that could be used to make plutonium. is give on these issues solution. >> sure there is. there has to be horse trading, but the parameters of agreement should objective. there shouldn't be trarption for subjective wiggle room. after all, we can count the

number of centrifuges the i.a.e.a. can count whether or not a nuclear reactor is iraq is being moth balled or under construction. certainly everybody can counselled to what extent iran is continuing to enrich uranium or, in effect, isolate and neutralize uranium and plutonium. there's a lot of spin going on, troubling. >> every time there's a conversation, first the initial deal, then the second conversations. it seems every time there's an agreement, the iranians say something that doesn't match wh what the americans are staying. >> given the fact that i can understand everybody has to play to their home base here, but why are the iranians going out of their way after the accord was negotiated to lead to this

framework agreement that hopefully will be netted. why are they going out of their way to completely detract from the agreement that they reached? . united states says, for example, the iranians agreed to x, y, z. president hassan rouhani goes on another television show and says, "no, no, no, we didn't agree to that." >> here is what president obama said about iran. for the sake of international security, we must give diplomacy a chance to succeeded. if irans leader do not seize the opportunity. i'll be the first to call for sanctions and stand ready to exercise options to make sure iran does not build a nuclear weapon. >> that military threat, is that implicit, convincing or does the

u.s. pulling out of iraq, afghanistan, and the war weariness, plus the fact that we did not go into syria, will it be seen as americans not really - not a serious threat. obviously that's a concern. ize ironic that the president would be the first to support sanctions. yet he was the president that largely was the last person to favour strong economic sanctions by the congress. it's objectively clear here that the barack obama administration went kicking and screaming into more sanctions which ultimately led iran to the negotiating table. be that as it may, there's no doubt that the president has not in any way, shape or form prepared the american people for what may be the consequences of a failure if the negotiations do not succeed.

while all of us, everybody wishes to see, wished that there would be an empirically iron clad agreement. what happens if it falls apart. >> the president threatened to veto sanctions against iran, which a lot in the senate support, because he thinks the talks would fall apart if this happened. by saying that, by taking a strong position against the senate, did he weaken his hand. >> in some respects there's a certain good cop, bad cop going on. the senator made it clear that he's not going to bring the sanctions bill any time soon to the table. but the fact of the matter is that the more that the iranian leadership tries to dispute the terms of what both the united states and its european allies, as well as russia have determined to be the gols and

objectives of the agreement, it would behove the administration to, shall we say, wink and nod at harry reid and call for the negotiations to bring the legislation to the floor. >> let's talk about syria. here is what u.n. mediator lakhdar brahimi had to say about the talks and rebel factions. >> i do not accept we'll achieve anything substantive. i'm not disappointed, because i did not expect a result. this is what i thought we would do, is just talk to one another. and also agree that we will continue talking to one another. >> it's depressing to lisp to that. is that -- listen to that, is that enough for the talks to keep going. the bashar al-assad regime is refuse aid in the city of homs, and dropping barrel bombs on civilians in aleppo.

>> the dysfunctionality between the reality on the ground and what is taking plates in geneva, you can drive 10 trucks through. the problem is the fact that neither party is prepared to play down arms and negotiate a transitional government. you and i know that it took years, eight years of the civil war in lebanon for it to burn itself out. the fact of the matter is that if you can get some humanitarian relief for the people caught between the crossfire in homs and aleppo, that would be great. between al qaeda seizing territory in the north, between barrel bombs raining down from assad's helicopters on innocent civilians and the party not willing to agree anything that resembles prisoner exchanges and the willingness of the assad regime to allow humanitarian supplies go through to beleaguered civilians, it doesn't bode well.

the u.n. representative is probably as accurate as anyone. the assad regime has been spinning itself as the ball work against terrorism in the region. there's reporting that the al nusra and iraq and syria are al qaeda linked and control many of syria's oil fields. and there are reports saying the terrorists, the allied groups are selling some of the ibm they are getting to the syrian gost. why is this going on. there's one theory that assad may be ding this in order to weaken the more moderate elements of the paigs, and strengthen the extremists to peaks themselves as an anti-terrorist leader. >> isn't it ironic that the arsonist is chief is trying to bill himself as the firefighter

in chief. bashar al-assad, when i read the article, as you reported it, you shake your head and say this can't possibly be. given the diabollical nature of what goes on for plotting and machiavellian politics in the middle east. and assad wants to do is destroy the secular moderates, the political opposition, and in effect power al qaeda. the ball work against sunni extremism. could you create a novel more diabolical than that. >> machiavellian dealings. it's really a pleasure to have you on, mark ginsberg. >> we turn to the ongoingest to free a former marine who spent more than two years in iran's

evan prison. mukmahdi was arrested when in iran visiting grandparents. his family was horrified when he was sentenced to death for spying for the c.i.a., a confession was made, but integrators were sitting near. he has been held without trial or a public statement of the charges against him. friends and family insist he's incident. in a letter the secretary of state john kerry written last september amir said he was held tonne false charges based on confessions of force and ill-treatment. he wrote the following:

>> i'm joined by dan keelty, he represents the district where ai mir's family lives. this seems to be a courageous young man. anyone willing to say, "goent persists. >> he's certain of his own innocence, and so am i. his family is a family that i have gotten to know. they are like any other american family. amir was a high school hockey player, like i was, serving in the u.s. marine core, he visited his grandmother, and within a couple of weeks he was grabbed and in prison. it's a horrible situation for amir and his family. he does not believe that anyone should negotiate or trade anything for his release, because they know he's innocent. you spoke with president obama tuesday, after the state of

union recording amir's situation, you spoke with the secretary of state john kerry, and samantha power later. do you think the administration is it doing enough? >> i do. at least since i've been in congress, i've been in contact with the state department. i spoke with the president and ambassador power and secretary kerry, i'm convinced that they are pressing as hard as they can. it's important that we not put the negotiations into the mix when it comes to amir's situation. i think it's a precondition that iran must accept before the u.s. congress and the world will accept any agreement that's negotiated. they can't continue to hold americans, but it's important that we not conflate his situation with the current negotiations that are going on. the former secretary of state of defense, general peter pays,

retired general james jones and joseph rolls tonne sent a letter urging the administration to help get amire released they said. > president obama brought this up with iranian president. when they had a cell phone, a phone call in september. other officials raised the flight during the recent negotiations. but they lifted those sanctions as part of the nuclear negotiations. don't you think that -- >> i think it would be dangerous to make it part of the deal. we are putting ourselves in a position where we are giving concessions in negotiation for the rrls of a free man. to me this is a situation that's entirely upto the iranian government. they have to decide whether or not they want to be taken seriously.

as a member of the international community. that includes negotiating nuke loor agreements and other international engagements, if they want to be taken seriously. they need to be released amir and others that they may be holding. that is a precondition to us taking a permanent agreement seriously. having said that. i'm one that believes that these negotiations are to be given a chance to work. there are members of congress who are skeptical. i understand that skepticism. so i say that to make sure that the iranian government understands that the skepticism and many of us who have not been so willing to engage or impose additional sanctions now will be very much ready to act swiftly if the negotiations fall apart or if somehow as the ambassador, your previous guest noted there seems to be an indication that

the iranians may be pulling back. we can act quickly at in point in time we need to give the negotiations safement the iranians need to release amir, if they want to be taken seriously, even if they want to be taken seriously as a member of the global community. you mentioned the poster is also in iran, bob levinson has been missing. do you know anything about them. >> i don't. i've been focus said on amir's situation, his family is my constituents. each of the cases are you neeg, the facts are different -- unique. the factsar different in each case. amir is snnt. he's a young -- innocent. he's a young man that went to visit his family. as a result of circumstance or

the political situation, he was charges. >> when he was arrested in august 2011, do you think tensions were high. was he arrested in order to use him as a barring apriling chip. >> it's hard to put myself in the lines of the government. it's hard to tell what the motivation was, but the facts are clear. this is a situation where amir was travelling on his own passport, using his own name, visiting family and doesn't fit the profile of someone over there on anything other than a mission to see his grandmother. >> has the family in u.s. or iran been in contact. does he know that his father is ill with braincancer. >> yes, he does. he had visits with his uncle and a grandmother, and she was to visit. this is a difficult thing. i know his mother, his father,

his sister, brother-in-law. this is on his mind every minute of every day. amir, he's a tough guy, a former marine, he's a young man that needs to be returned to his family, especially at this time when his father is ill. you sent him an alert in november to let him know that you and his family are going everything you can to get him release. do you know if he received it. >> i don't know. but i hope it got to him. the reason i sent the letter. it occurred to me what would i want my congressman to go if it was my son in a prison on the other side of the world. i would want to make sure that he knew that his government is doing everything that it can to get him home. i would want my congressman to

do everything he should. >> you and human rights officials have been involved - has the family heard from the u.n. as to how far along they have gotten. >> well, that's a range of discussions that are taking place on multiple levels. i would be careful to characterise the conversations. i know the family is in discussion with a multitude of folks. we communicate ourselves with folks within and outside the u.n. the message is getting through to the iranian government that this is really important. if they want to be taken seriously. they know that. >> we wish you the best in your frts. thank you for joining us. >> "consider this" will be right >> every sunday night

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>> is micro's war on terror cree -- america's war op terror creating new enemies.

that's a claim in a documentary nominated for an academy award, called "dirty wards", and follows jeffrey skayhill as he hunts the story. >> it's hard to tell where it began, this was the war on terror. i knew i was missing the story, another war in the shadows. a night raid. >> the two men in the guest house were the first kill. you saw the u.s. forces take the bullets out of the body. who were these men that stormed into this man's home, and why go no horrifying lengths to cover up their actions. >> targeted killings. >> how would a covert unit take over the largest war

on the planet. >> jeremy skahill is a journalist with first look media that will launch next month. great to have you here. we'll get to the documentary in a moment. let's listen to what president afghanistan. >> even as we actively and aggressively pursue terrorist networks through targeted efforts and building foreign partners america must build off permanent war footing. that's why i impressed prudent limits on the use of drons. we will not be safer if people consequence. >> you spent a lot of time in afghanistan. is that the role we should have.

>> a few months into barack obama's first term, his advisors said there were less than 1,000 al qaeda. so what are we there for. if it's not counterintelligence, who are we fighting. we have created more enemies than killed terrorists. there. >> it's similar to what is happening in syria. if the u.s. intervenes, you are intervening in a civil war. the taliban have an indigenous support network greater than the n.a.t.o. occupation. the idea that we keep the strike force in place, what are they countering. most attacks are led by taliban individuals who want the u.s. out of their country. >> you were rough on the state of the union, you said obama, i

imposed limits on drones "i will bomb some wedding parties", and your movie starts with a raid op a small town where special forces went in and killed 13, including a couple of pregnant women, two brothers, one a police commander trained by the americans. is that when you first woke up to the fact that efforts around the world are not winning hearts in minds. >> i was familiar with the fact that we had special operations forces. the force that did the raid and is doing many of the kill-capture raids in undeclared war zones was an elite force which effectively was a private paramilitary force reporting to the white house, and they do not

operate in the normal chain of command. once they had done that, it was like peeling back an onion. >> through photographs, it showed the admiral - this is a bizarre picture with afghan troops, and he had brought a sheet to the town, the americans were apologising more what happened there. last week there was someone on, we talked about the expanded role. we have 22,000 special forces stationed in different places. >> it's more than 100 countries. >> is this the way we are going to wage war in the future. is it a special operations war. >> absolutely. what we see now, as the barack obama administration comes to a close is he wants to get the u.s. away from large scale troop deployments. we see reliance on technology and n.s.a. signals and intercepts.

we get away from human intelligence. monitoring cell phones. literally to go around the world hunting. the horrifying part of the movie is what happens when technology goes awry. you show a case in southern yemen where a cruise missile supposedly intended for a large group of al qaeda associated mill taned landed on a poor tribe. the pictures are brutal. little kids, babies killed, dozens of people. >> 14 women and 21 children kilted in that a -- killed in that attack. people have attacked us from the right and the left. at the end of the day the point of the film was to put a face on it. it could be our son or daughters

killed in newtown or virginia tech. why shouldn't we have the empathy for others on the other side. >> it's impossibility not to. it's heart-breaking to look at that. one thing this was disturbing was you found that president obama specifically called the yemeni president and asked him to keep the journalist who started to shed light on what happened behind bars. >> in a way there's a global war on journalists. in mexico they are gunned down. there are 30 missing in syria, somalia is dangerous. most of the journalist killed are not famous white western reporters, they are local journalists making it possible for us to get the story. this is where it reveals the war in yemen. the journalist who exposed it is locked up on allegations that he supported al qaeda. and the obama administration intervened when the yemeni group

was going to pardon him. he has not been released because of pressure from lowers and others to have him freed. >> we have a question for you. >> have you had backlash or veiled threats for exposing the war criminals. >> all journalist come under pressure. during the course of this investigation into the covert unit i received a call from a senior u.s. military official saying if i published a story i worked on making the film possible that i would be on thin ice. if i invited you to look at my inbox on a given day. it's not a pleasant site. you have two choices - you are paralyzed by your fear, or you don't let them get to you and you do your job. >> we all have to encrypt our emails, protect our sources and stand up when other journalists

are attacked. >> you take the position that you question whether we should kill an american citizens outside borders without a trial. this guy is a guy that called for jihad against the west. >> issued a fatwa against the united states. this is a guy who was believed to be associated with al qaeda, the leader of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, who may be involved in the bombing of the airliner in the united states, and a yemeni judge ordered him captured dead or alive. should we have gone after him with drons. >> first of all, he was reprehensible. i detail what happened to the cartoonist, whose life he threatened. it's not that he was an anningelical character. it's not who he is, but who are we as americans.

when the president of the united states serve as the prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner of an american that has not been charged with a crime. if the yemeni indict him, and he's given the death penalty -- >> it went a little further. whatever the u.s. is doing, it's working because there hasn't been a significant frorist attack on -- terrorist attack on u.s. soil. >> first of all, we are going pay a price for this. everyone said look at the iraqis pulling down the sued am statues. fast-forward to a year later there was an insurgency from the shi'a and sunni communities. i think we will be hit. >> before you go, i want to ask a question about your new venture, you'll start with glenn

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>> mike haines is a footballer hall of famer, winning a super bowl ring with the rayeders. ha played in the n.f.l. with the new york patriots and the los angeles raiders. good to have you back. an important topic. i want to get to new technology. the new research from canada's sports association brings up how many eight-year-olds are having head impacts. >> no question. it validates - we think it looks like a pillow fight, but the reality is that trauma that their break-in is feeling is the same as you see on college football fields. >> i saw some research saying 250,000 kids under the age of 19 went to emergency rooms for concussions. numbers are huge. you didn't have a concussion college. >> that i'm aware of.

>> but you had a serious one. >> and you had no idea what had happened to you. >> no, because i wasn't educated on what a concussion was. mum did not want me to play football for fear i would be injured. as soon as i got to the point where i couldn't say my name or team-mate, i thought i would be like that for the rest of my life. the education, guys know the cogfligs will come back, it's important to get the player off the field. for me, at that point, i asked if i could go back on the field. >> the coach said, "sure", today it wouldn't happen, i am sure today they'd say you are done for the day. >> is it that why you are involved in this? >> it's one of the reasons. i have two young boys, a son that plays quarterback, another that plays running back. they love football. i want to make sure the game is safe, and that education is the secret.

it's the only way to go. >> another secret that may be solved is new technology that might help us be aware of what is going on in the kids' brains. it's a sepp -- senn sor attached to a helm. >> it's a senn sore that can record acceleration. the devices were invented to tell you when you might have a concussion. hit count added a pitch count for the brain. once it heads to 20 gs, like a hard strap, any time you hit over 20 gs, it will count. the idea is to use this to help prap. >> any hit of 20 gs or more will

be captured, the numbers. >> a study showed in my opinion-year-olds, one team had a hit count of 150 and the other 60, because they limited how they hit in practice. we had to teach the teams at 150 how to get there. >> you had to worry about someone who coaches teams, you have to worry about it in practice. games. >> and you want to teach them to tackle properly. the only way to teach them is to go through it. there's no hitting going on. so for me, there's young kids that love to play. i think we need to change the - start a developmental tackle football. where they don't play until they learn to tackle properly. i don't think a kid can put on a uniform and two weeks later become an efficient tackler. that's my concern. that could be something we can talk about another time.

>> is the research then to figure out how many of the hits are too many? program. >> we wish we could say 200, you should stop. the data is not there. we hope in a few years we can tell people how risky it is. sports like football and soccer, numbers are high. the senn sore can give you and sound the alarm if you get a bad hit. you can sort of tell you hey, this is concussion level. >> it's hard to spot concussions. you need the player to come forward. we don't know if we can teach an eight-year-old to understand. to realise when their head is spinning that they should tell their coach. this is a way to pull kids out. check. >> it must be difficult for a coach. will the technology make a difference.

i can tell you i have not had one kid come on the sideline. it's generally been someone else that has seen the hit saying, "would you check out my son", and that's how we've done that. it's great technology. >> how much will it cost. >> between 100 and 150. and they are being certified. we developed a certification program with the university of ottoman, the first is g-force tracker. it works well. it goes inside a helmet. we have certified sepp sensors. available? >> they are available now. football.

>> one issue is that girls soccer is the second worst sport when it comes to this. there? >> some of the companies will focus on soccer. head bands, a mouth piece. >> what can you do in soccer, you can't put a helmet on because of a head band. >> not padding, a head band. >> what would you tell parents football. >> many friends suffer from the bad sirkth. so many pro football players are suffering today. >> i tell them to get educated. you can't say, "okay, son, i'm putting you out there, you have to play soccer." they have to get educated. they have to under what the symptoms of a concussion are, or what protocols are in place if a concussion occurs. what will they do.

i think a parent caring to get involved in that way will help programs like this make more sense, and, you know, people are going to get concussions. but when you get one, you gotta get them off the field and study them dangerous. >> the more edu kags we get from devices and technology, we have great instruction, especially in our sport, taking the head out of tackling. the more we can do those things, the better it will be for all of us. >> good to have technology. it's an important advancement. >> "consider this" will be right

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>> should college athletes be allowed to unionize and bargain with the n.c.a.a. cain coulter announced a majority of his team-mates want to do thax. >> i'm pleased to announce that the north-western football players signed cards authorising the college athletes college association to assert their rights. the n.f.l. has the n.f.l. pa, and the college athletes have the college athletes associations. they are not asking to get paid. instead asking for long-term med cam coverage, living expenses

and secure scholarships. david zirin joins us, sports editor for "the nation", and host of edge of sports radio. teachers aides, dining hall workers, library attendants are considered employees of the school, why not the athlete who colleges. >> the n.c.a.a. is a cartel with a $500 million legal war chest preventing n.c.a.a. so-called student athletes fighting and getting recognition. it's been the case for 50 years. the n.c.a. fought it every step of the way. they have not had an opponent that had the money to combat them in federal court. >> now they do. the n.c.a.s response came from chief legal officer reading:

>> in another statement they said student athlete. signalling everything. athletes get a free education. in a place like north western. that cost $60,000 bucks. >> it's like every sentence was a noun and verb in student athlete. for the record. dial remy is getting paid, unlike other employees. the competitive use of student athlete is a shot across the bowel. student athlete is a term that was created by

the n. c.a.'s department. this is the n.c.a.a.'s number one cudgel that they used over 60 years. they are not employees. they are their own specification that exists. everywhere else were governed by a constitution or three separate bodies of government, unless you are an n.c.a.a. athlete. i saw this as a remark aimed at the legality team representing the players saying just coming at you. >> they seam reasonable. a future medical coverage for injuries sustained while playing. guaranteed scholarships. for scholarships to cover living expenses. they are explicitly not asking for a pay check.

why is the n.c.a.a. against them. the n.c.a.a.'s number one currency is not tv dollars, not bull revenue for march madness. the number one currency is control. that's why so many critics use the term cartel to decide them. it's not derisive or come pairing it to that. cartel means they have control, with no absence of a seat at the table. so college athletes for decades upon decades have been in this position. they fear that if they lose the control, then it will spin out of control. to use a parallel, we could say why in the 1950s did the people who ran mont gomery, alabama care in team could sit on the front, middle or back of a bus. it seems small, but it's about so much more than a bus, it's

about do you have control over people's lives. that's what the n.c.a.a. fears. question. >> eric says, "not sure if you can unionize an unpaid group, but why can't recommendations be made to protect athletes", you responded to that saying they are paid. >> yes, i responded to that. i'm a good social media friend to al jazeera. >> college athletes are getting paid. if they choose to live off campus they can get rent subsidies. if they eat off campus, they can apply for payments. there are numerous examples of the n.c.a.a. cutting checks to players, beyond what we think of as a scholarship access, meaning books to go to class recollects and what have you. it gives the game away. if you pay for someone's off-campus housing and that's

okay, why are they not entitled to a check. the money from the housing is coming from somewhere. >> that may be the next battle, whether they should get a salary. student athletes are getting great education in exchange for the athletic abilities. >> that takes us to north carolina, where they this fake classes. are they really getting a great education. we have heard millions of times that the athletes are getting preferences and tutoring. an article was written with a large chunk with abuses of colleges. education. >> no, they are not getting a good education. this is something that was written about 100 years ago.

that athletes were not getting a real education, and were there as show ponies. he would say, "i'm alive", then he'd say "i cannot believe the system metastasized to where a coach is paid to a typical professor." talking about head coaches in football and basketball. the education is not there. i'd like to quote a former all-american saying, "i'm not student athletes" as soon as we go on campus it's clear to us what the priorities need to be. >> we saw the bullying scandal, changing topics to the n.f.l. jonathan martin has given an interview. he dived into the issues. now that he's spoken out. was there anything that surprised you.

>> the number one thing that surprised me was he never went to his coach. that says there was an atmore fear that felt so dangerous and repressive and so winked at by the people in charge that he felt he had no recourse other than physically removing himself from the situation. that is a toxic environment. >> any chance this will change the culture of the n.f.l. >> i think it already had. we've had guidelines of hazing going back to the mid 1990s. they haven't followed but existed for two decade. that there are no guidelines. >> will we see martin or his alleged bullier on the field plays in the n.f.l. again. >> martin definitely incognito. he may have to do song and dance or the oprah interview. he'll cry on your shoulder and the door will be open to him.

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