the families of his victims. >> those are your headlines. "consider this" is next. you can checkous out 24 hours a day by going to august.com, where the news continues 24 hours a day, seven days a week. >> out of a russian prison, onto a new york stage. the latest on the pussy riot saga. also why are some ethnic groups more successful than others. the tiger mom amy, will talk more about her book. plus are robots coming to your job? and can you forgive a man who almost killed you? i'm antonio mora. welcome to "consider this." ergs here's more on what's ahead. >> removing tobacco products is the right thing to do.

>> this pharmacy, why would you sell cigarettes? >> smoking cessation in cvs is an amazing first step. >> obamacare is going ocause 2 -- to cause 2 million people to have fewer jobs. >> if you were released from jail, why? you're criminals. >> they got fed up with us. >> there's thousands more prisoners of conscience that are still sitting in the dark. >> i kicked him in the forehead. and he was out. >> i don't know if i could forgive somebody the way he's been able to forgive me. >> now you'll have a robot run the job. the fear of losing jobs fear of technology has been around for a long time. we'll all depend on robots in the next 40 years. >> we begin with cigarettes and nearly 280 billion were sold in the u.s. in 2013 despite widespread smoking bans and new taxes. now cvs, the second largest drugstore chain in the country has decided to go cold turkey.

>> we've come to the conclusion that tobacco in a setting where health care is being administered, those two just don't go together. >> president obama says cvs is setting a powerful example but what is the real impact of cvs's decision and does the tobacco industry care? nor for more: we're joined by ruth malone, professor from university of san francisco and she joins us from that city today. good to have you with us ruth, i know you have studied in the past stores that had stopped selling tobacco. what is your reaction to cvs's decision? >> i think it's really quite interesting. it's not first retail chain that has done this but it is a landmark decision, i would say, with 7600 stores. this is going to take tobacco off the shelves of a lot of retail outlets. >> but the reality is, 40% of

-- frf% o 47% of people buy their cigarettes at gas stations. only 3.6% buy them at pharmacies. so is this move just symbolic in the big picture or do you think other stores are going to follow? >> i think that this is going to put pressure on other stores. particularly pharmacies. there are already other retailers. there are already other retailers, to stop selling cigarettes and it's because they don't feel right about this anymore. our work showed that they really had stopped feeling good about selling these products. and when you consider how deadly these products are, to have them for sale in pharmacies that are supposed to be about health, it's just crazy. >> you know and cvs says that it will probably lose about $2 billion in sales in the short term. but on the other hand is it a shrewd pr move? because already, we're seeing people writing walgreen's

saying, i'm going to go to cvs, because of what cvs is doing. they could make more on prescriptions and health care and other things. >> i think it's a very smart pr move really for any retailer. the fact is the cigarette is the single most deadly product, consumer product ever made. and there's nothing else that even comes close. tobacco killed 100 million people in the last century and we just can't have this continuing. and i think the new surgeon general's report really makes it clear that we need to start finding a way to end this horrible tobacco epidemic that causes so much suffering to so many people. and so many families have been impacted by this. it's true that taking out of a -- taking it out of a pharmacy won't, by itself, end the epidemic. but studies showed that seeing tobacco in retail outlets can

cause people who are trying to quit to relapse. so this is a very good step in removing it from these outlets. it may cause a few more people to be successful in their efforts to get free. >> because it still is the biggest preventible cause of disease and death in the u.s. but smoking rates have really declined drastically here. about 42% of adults smoked in 1965, only about 18% do today. but worldwide, there are actually more smokers now than there were in 1980. so does this really hurt tobacco companies much? >> in the short term, no. but in the long term, i think it is the beginning of the end for tobacco companies that they have been anticipating, really, for more than 20 years. they do have their -- a lot of efforts going on in asia and africa to try to get women looked in countries where women have not traditionally smoked. but there are also some very

strong tobacco control efforts happening at the global level. so i don't know. i don't think in the short term, this is going to hurt them a great deal. but in the longer term, i believe this is another marker of how smoking and tobacco and the tobacco industry are becoming less normal, less taken for granted in society. and that's important. >> on the other hand, they're betting pretty hard and they're lobbying hard for e-cigarettes. do you think that's going to take off? we have seen people as well-known as john boehner, the speaker of the house, with them. but the cdc hasn't given any real verdict on them. >> i don't think anybody knows how it's going to play out including the tobacco companies. they are acquiring e-cigarette companies. so i think the question is if we have both aggressive promotion of combustible cigarettes and aggressive promotion of

e-cigarettes then we have a worse public health situation. if we talk about phasing out combustible cigarettes for example, then it might be time to talk about e-cigarettes. the they now have another consumer product that's acceptable. so i think there are a lot of things in play. the science is still coming out about e-cigarettes. we don't know everything there is to know yet. and i think it's a really interesting moment in terms of public health, and tobacco. >> there is still a lot to learn about e-cigarettes and we of course will follow this and see where it goes if other folks do follow. ruth malone thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> switching topics now to some financial storm clouds that could threaten the u.s. economy. the dow jones industrials have dropped 7% this year and 5

points again on wednesday. the latest indicator is that job growths will not be hitting economists targets. that is one of a number of indicators that say the recent consensus 2014 would be a break through year for the economy could be wrong. for that i'm joined by legendary investor jim rogers, the quantum fund with george saurus. and he's the author of street smarts, adventures in the markets. >> glad to be with you. >> we have seen tumbling stock prices, disappointing returns. and the threat of corporate declines. everybody seemed to be optimistic in the end of the year now not so much. >> this is the first time in the modern world, that we have all central banks

printing a lot of money. you'll see all that money floating around. that's why everybody was having so much fun in the financial community. now the ocean is starting to dry up, and people are saying, wait a minute, look at those rocks, things aren't as good as we thought they would be. >> you say it's going to end badly? >> it's going to end very badly. it's all artificial. when you take the ocean away, the artificial liquidity away, what's left? you know as much as i do that unemployment was higher than it was in 2008. we have qe 1, qe 2, qe 3, it's good for wall street. not good for you and me. >> now we have less than 59% of americans employed and everyone seems to think that's going to be dropping. what are the long term consequences of that? >> antonio, america is down in >> the largest debtor nation in the world. we've driven up huge debt, but

nothing for our competitiveness with the rest of the world. this is going to end up with big big mess for you and me and everybody else watching the show. >> what does the country have to do? >> america has to change its tax system completely. instead of tax and consumption, there are many problems we have to change. >> we have this great inequality that everybody is talking about, when you talk about net worth it is even worse than the income differentials. so if you do that, won't you create an even bigger spread? >> that may or may not be, that's not the reason we're not competitive anymore, i can assure you. we have india, 300 year ago ago, japan, i mean that's not the

problem. the problem is we have got all these constraints and this huge debt which are holding us back. >> so how do we get growth going? because now it seems that people are beginning to agree with you that instead of this increase in the growth rate that a lot of people are expecting, now sort of backing down on their expectations. >> the reason the expectation is there because the government said listen we just print all this money, build this debt, you know antonio it's astonishing to me you had grown ups saying, the solution the too much debt or too much consumption is more debt. they actually said that, borrow more money and everything will be okay. >> with an economy as precarious as it is, doesn't it need money to get it going? >> not artificial money. they hired more bureaucrats. that's not solving our problems. we need to build something to sell to somebody else, we need to be more productive. not bureaucrats and artificial money. that's not the solution. the asian countries that are growing, that have huge

balance of surplus, they are not taxing savings and investing, they don't have an education system that is hopeless, they have an education system that teaching people reading write and arithmetic for instance. >> the asian economy have stalled. >> they have had successes, they are for once doing the right thing, cool off inflation, they're trying to cool off a property bubble, they're doing the right thing but everybody makes mistakes. america became the most successful country in the 20th century. but in the 19th century we had some horrible problems before we got to it. civil war, depressions, no human rights, you know, no rule of law. we were a disaster. >> and talking about depression, you don't -- seems to be one of the bright spots of the economy.

the inflation has stayed low. >> you believe the government don't you? >> no, i'm just -- >> don't believe any government, china, germany, america. you probably don't shop. your mother does your shopping. >> you put it out there, taxicab rates, inflation has certainly hurt there. >> you know what's happened to stamp? >> look at something you can measure you'll see the prices, now the government says prices aren't up. people write me all the time, and say, where does the government shop? i want to shop where they do, if they say prices aren't up. >> you've moved to singapore seven years ago, which you're kind of on the cusp of the east asia explosion, you could have predicted that yourself. what again, you've mentioned not hiring bureaucrats, you've mentioned better education systems. what else are the singapores and chinas and south koreas of the world doing?

>> they save huge proportions of their income for investing. they don't have huge bureaucracies, they discipline their children, not just educate them, they discipline their children for god's sakes. >> we'll have someone on the next segment -- >> yes of course, it is extremely important. and they work hard. >> moving to singapore and you write about coming to the u.s. that it feels like coming to the u.s. feels like coming to a third world country which most people would think what, singapore used to be a third world country now the u.s -- >> it did. you get in jfk, you go to a third world highway to a third world five star hotel. if you go to singapore, you're stunned at the airport, you are stunned at everything. not just the airport, many things in asia. >> we are not paying enough substantiation to this explosion

in asian? >> we barely know it's happened. when i moved to asia, people said are you nuts? most people don't know, or bother about finding china on a map. i say singapore is not china, most people can't find china on a map. i love america, i pay taxes here, i vote here. i wish i could do more things. >> it's great to have you here and i hope people are listening. >> i doubt it. i doubt if they are. >> many thoughtful suggestions in your books and your writings. jim rogers, great to have you here. street smarts, adventures on the roads and in the markets on bookshelves now. now something we've been following, pussy riot, two punk rockers, who were imprisoned in russia for nearly two years,

they were released in december and are in new york now for an amnesty international event, janet tavoni had a chance to talk to them. what did you ask them? >> a lot of americans are wondering is it safe for gay athletes, fans, tourists, from the u.s. and other countries to attend the sochi olympics? >> translator: that is not something we can guarantee. what our government has been doing lately has been inciting hatred to the lgbt community. unfortunately in these cases we see law enforcement standing idly by. >> and as you know antonio, their archenemy is russian president vladimir putin, i asked if they had something to say to them what would it be? i also asked their time in prison how has it inspired the work that they are doing right now? >> translator: we want to say to him to leave. we can be indifferent to things that are going on in the prison which is why right now we are

aiming to create a human rights organization called dona fla, and to also involve the other international rights organizations and to have it the situation in russian prisons. >> amazing what these people have been through. thank you jana. >> coming up. even suggesting that racist, tiger mom amy twa is up next. and hermella aregawi, what's trending? >> antonio, do girls learn better when there are no boys in the classroom, the answer coming up. tweet to us @ajconsiderthis or leave a comment on our facebook page.

>> how do some groups do much better than others when achieving the american dream? and why is material success so difficult for other groups? a controversial new book, what it describes as the triple package and certain traits explain why cultural groups rise and fall in america. among the groups the book

praised as triple package winners, mormons, jews, and asian and nigerian and cuban immigrants. according to amy twa, the superiority complex, a deeply internalized belief of your group's compensationality. impulse control, the ability to resist temptation, especially the temptation to quit in the face of hardship. for more: i'm joint here by amy twa, the author of books including the controversial battle him of the tiger mother. and co-author with her husband jed reubenfeld. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having us. -- me. >> damaging our economy, our health, our relationship to

future generations. how did we get the triple package and how did we lose it? >> well, in many ways, these three qualities that we talk about are traditional american values. from our founding, america had a sense of exceptionality, equality, democracy and opportunity. at the same time, for most of our history, america has the insecurity of being an underdog. we had such a chip on our shoulders vis-a-vis europe. >> as a colony. >> they wanted to show that our system was better, democracy was better than monarchy. you have to look at ben fran colin's proverbs, they are all about preservation , thrift, savings, hard work. >> how did that change? >> i don't mean that they changed. they dropped out. america is still the same country but i think it's our success.

in the '80s and '90s we actually stopped becoming an underdog. that's partially because of the prosperity. bus also, the fall of the soviet union meant that we were suddenly left without a rival. just accept yourself in a way, this striving, the need to prove yourself at the individual level and the national level maybe dampened a little bit. >> you also wrote that the reality, uncomfortable as it is to talk about it, that some groups are starkly more successful than others. were you concerned as you wrote that, that you would be accused of being racist as in fact you have been? >> it never even occurred to me. because it's amazing that you can't just state a statistic, that lebanese and iranian americans have this median income, it is in the census. much higher than national median. i'd like, if you can't just state a statistic, you know, asian-american

s.a.t. scores are 140 points above the national average, very stark. you can't state that without being accused of stereotyping, how can we address some of these problems? that doesn't mean these groups are better. the book is about the rise and fall of groups and always after groups enjoy a period of success, after one or two generations they always go back to the national median. it is much about the product of being insecure, an immigrant that drives that feeling. >> between superiority that you talk about and inadequacies, you can't be superior and feel inadequate at the same time. >> and that's the crux of this book, this simultaneous feeling of exceptionalism and you aren't being thought of, you have a, i realize, cuban american background.

back in america these were respected people. they come to this country with only $5. they have to be tomato pickers. you know, maids >> every kind of menial jobs when they were professionals. >> and it's ridiculous, they want to prove themselves, no dogs or cubans allowed. and that makes people feel like, how could you -- you are going to respect me some day and i'm going to work 20 times as hard as anybody else to gain that respect. >> let's look at the groups that you mentioned, among the groups you said cuban americans, you also mentioned among immigrant groups, you've got cuban americans, lebanese americans, you've also got nigerians. most americans or disproportional part of people who came from those places were people of the upper middle class and educated classes. so didn't they come with an advantage and isn't that why they're doing better? >> you know that's interesting. they may have come with some stature. but not all of them were wealthy. and this is important.

as you know, oftentimes a degree in another country, is worth nothing here. so the whole issue is what do they teach chair children, right? of course advantage is part of the equation. but it's for me it's let's look at the groups that are able somehow in a tough economy or tough situation to still rise, and why can't we learn from them? i want to stress though, there's all this emphasis, do you think these groups are better, absolutely not. these are qualities that anyone can learn. i've had letters from african americans, not immigrants, and they tell me, these three qualities, my mother instilled these three qualities in me, first a deep sense of pride, not as a group but in our family. we overcame slavery, we have been in a country that's tried to put us down but we have

triumphed. we need to prove ourselves. we need to work 30 times as hard because we're black. these qualities can be embraced by anybody of any background. >> why are we failing our kids then? in as you are referring to earlier this whole self esteem thing everybody is special whether you have worked hard or not? >> i think there are two aspects that are in decline right now. the combination of two qualities : exceptionality, and generating a need to prove

yourself, which is you are fine just the way you are, you should deserve a trophy for just being you, that is not the way to rise. the way to rise is to feel like i need to do better, i am better, you know. and the third part, impulse control. all of these groups that are succeeding and individuals of any groups that are succeeding, they tend to be people that are more disciplined, that can resist temptation better, that instill in their children an ability to focus. i feel like saying, are you saying they are better? no. we should try to learn, what are these guys doing that is different and maybe we can all do a little better. >> you also say that a simple decent exings ma existence, may be the most important of all, bull rarely those afflicted with the triple package. that has got to worry you because if you are saying that it may not work, despite all of your success, you may not be able to succeed in the most basic of ways and you refer to being afflicted with the triple package. no. you know, she thinks our group is better and all she thinks is material success. i see this as an honest way of what are the components of success?

to be driven, that means something is missing and something is pushing you. we want to be honest about that, it doesn't feel good to think, i need to do more, i'm not good enough yet. yet that is part of what drives so many people. so the book doesn't sugar-coat. success is not happiness and also, success is not the same thing as a well-lived life. there are so many important things other than just getting a high income. that is big picture of the book. >> thanks for coming in. the book is the triple package, how three unlike reply traits unlikely traits describe the rise and fall of cultural america. the congressional budget off has reignited the debate of the economic impact of the president's signature health care law and whether jobs will be lost because of it. let's bring in jonathan cohn, author of the book sick, jonathan, always good to have you on the show. the study shows the obamacare could reduce workers by 2

million workers over the next 10 years, actually two and a half million workers by 2024. that doesn't mean we're going to lose 2 million jobs. right. what we have here is a case of the republican party clearly misrepresenting the facts and a big part of the media falling for it. here is what the congressional budget office said, obamacare, the affordable care act, creates new insurance options for people. used to be if you wanted to get insurance coverage, steady stable affordable coverage the only way to do it was to go work full time at a large company. so a lot of people do that. -- did that. now along comes obamacare and people have no options, they can go to these marketplace is and choose their own insurance and if they don't make a lot of money they can get financial assistance to help buy it. and because of that, some people can look at these

options and say gee, i don't have to work at this and people are going to choose to work less and if you add up all the hours that people will choose to work less it will be roughly the equivalent of 2.5 million full time jobs. but again it's people choosing to work less, not people being laid off or being denied jobs. >> or choosing to retire early because they ask get insurance on their own if they choose to do that. if the economy loses the equivalent of those 2.5 million jobs over the next ten years is the economic impact not the same? >> so if you talked to economists they would tell you this story has two sides to it. let's take the example of someone who is 62 years old, wants to retire early but can't, because they know if they did they would not be able to buy insurance because they are older and in the old system they would have

some kind of preexisting condition and now because of obamacare they can get insurance. and the cons would say, great. someone else can take that job, and this person is maximizing their welfare, that's a good thing. maybe you have a working spouse and say, you know what, i can work a few more hours and spend some time home with my kids. that's a good thing. the down side is i talked before you get financial assistance to help you buy insurance. but the more money you make the less assistance you get. and that's by design. we're basically saying if you make $20,000 a year, you need more help than if you make $40,000 a year. that reduces your incentive to work a little more an economist would say, that's not so good. in general when you look at the numbers here this is not a big effect on the economy at all. >> really? but the cbo does talk about a net cost of that kind

of, that equivalent of that two and a half million jobs. aren't you talking about a lower tax base, lower contributions to social security and medicare, if people are dialing back their hours at work and falling into subsidies does it mean the rest of us are in effect subsidizing people who want to work less? >> so there's a bunch -- as is often the case with these things, there are a bunch of different things going on at the same time. economists would say, if people are doing what they want to do, if they're acting in what they consider the best choices for themselves that's good for them and good for society as a whole. in addition to that, there is something called job lock. and this was an old feature we all knew about of the old system. let's say you had a great idea to start a new computer company, it would revolutionize the world and it would create thousands of jobs. but to do it, you have to leave your job, and you're afraid to leave your job because you can't get health insurance on your own.

obamacare ends job lock. it says you can do that, it unleashes entrepreneurship, there are a lot of different ways in which health care reform will improve the economy. if you break down the numbers in the cvo report, the affect on growth is really tiny, it's just not a big deal. >> now, one thing that is clearly good in this cbo report for obamacare, that estimates show that obamacare is going to provide greater savings than was originally predicted. but on the other hand, is this still a big political hit for democrats, for obamacare and its supporters? because even fairly liberal economists like dana millbank of the washington post is saying, obamacare is being undermined with its thus being the cbo. >> this is the problem, health care is complicated. this is too complex problem and the health care law is a complicated law.

if you want to explain it honestly it's going to take time. and when you are fighting against opponents who are willing to be dishonest, and who are willing to just you know use quick sound bites, it's not going to be a fair fight. so pretty much any piece of news can be bat news regardless of what it really said. i read the cbo report and thought overall it was good news for obamacare. did it hurt the case politically? it probably did, because the opponents were able to misrepresent what it said and the media most reply went along with it. >> all right, it's a difficult topic and we will stay on top of it and always glad to have you on the show jonathan. thanks for being here tonight. time to check what's happening on social media. let's check with hermella. >> studies show there's no benefits between all-boy or all-girl schools. 184 studies previously done on this issue and found consistent results. those who attended single sex schools weren't any better when

it came to self esteem when it comes to science technology engineering and math. also known as stem subjects. experts have argued in favor of single sex schools, are saying that boys are more dominant, and separating the kids by gender would make it better. jen hyde, professor of women's studies and co-author says the study doesn't back that claim. she says quote it's just a meaningless comparison. the two best predict oars of a child's success is parents' education and the family income. robby isn't convinced she says wait five minutes and education quote unquote experts will change their minds. jane maria says it needs to be a choice. i chose a women's college and it was my first safe space away from male hegemony. you can read more at the website, america .aljazeera.com.

it doesn't necessarily speak to the benefits of single-sex education in private schools. >> hermella, thanks. straight ahead.

>> should you be worried that a robot will take your job? well, you probably should be, because it's already happening. a recent study found nearly 50% of american jobs could be automated in the next 20 years. so what jobs are at risk? earlier i had a chance to speak with eric brynjoffsson, director of the mit school of business,

co-author of the second machine age, work progress and prosperity in a time of brilliant technologies. you write that historically, advances in technology and automation have destroyed many jobs but at the same time created many more. the 1990s in what you called the great decoupling. >> that's right. important to remember that: all throughout history technology has been changing the nature of jobs. the first machine age, the industrial revolution when agriculture became mechanized. now by and large people learn new skills, they participate in new industries. henry ford helped create new industries as did many others. but recently those trends have decoupled a bit. andrew mcafee and i call it the great decoupling. gdp growth, we're at record levels of all those numbers however employment has stagnated

as have median wages. that's not something we have seen in the earlier eras. >> the recent automation of the past couple of decades have really played a big role in these job losses that we've seen in the recent years and this income inequality that's being talked about in this arena? >> absolutely. there's changes in tax policy and culture but technology we see as the biggest single driver and what's more, technology is accelerating so there are going to be even bigger effects in the coming decades. >> in the book you talk about the fact that robots are doing more and more jobs that people used to be thought of as the only ones who could do them. we look at amazon and other businesses that have these incredibly automated warehouses where you barely see a human being anywhere. you also show what we're seeing here baxter, the robot, from rethinking robots, that has all

the sorts of human-like abilities. we could go on and on and on with some of these advances. the question is what's next and how much more replacement of humans are we going to see? >> well no one knows for sure exactly how the technology is going to play out. it's certainly advancing on a lot of fronts it hadn't before. what we have seen so far is a lot of routine jobs both routine physical jobs and routine information processing jobs have been especially affected. workers if you look at the skill content of jobs, the jobs that have the most routine work are the ones that are automated the most. think about a tax preparer or a travel agent. you can take that job, you can codify it into a set of rules, digitize it, replicate it, make not only one copy but 100 million copies, and that means there is a lot less demand for a human preparer than it was before. >> list jobs that have a 90% chance of being replaced by

machines, they list telemarketers, title examiners, mathematical technicians, insurance underwriters, cargo, and freight agents, tax preparers, photographic process workers, new account clerks, all sorts of these things that those jobs would go away. but health care workers police, firemen, management positions would likely be safe. do you agree with that? what industries do you think are going to be most impacted? >> broadly speaking, that list that you just described is already trending in that way. a lot of those routine information processes tasks are the ones that are being automated, and humans still have a big advantage in other areas. creativity is something that machines haven't been able to do very well, entrepreneurship, motivating people, caring for people just you know a caring touch from a nurse, or somebody -- a care taker. a salesperson or motivating

people or negotiating. those are all categories that, so far, we haven't seen machines able to really master. >> and if you look at all these predictions though, it does seem that the ones who are going to sur the most are actually the middle skilled, sort of middle workers, not the higher end or the lower end. >> well, in the past couple decades that's exactly what happened, there's been kind of a polarization that a lot of the middle school jobs have been especially subject to automation, that involve a lot of high end skills entrepreneurship starting things artistic, those have done relatively well. interestingly, also the ones that aren't paid well, physical work, whether it's a janitor or hairdresser,-m aren't good with the basic mobility and dexterity that we take for granted as humans or for that matter that a five-year-old can often do, picking up a dime

is something that a orobot cannot do very easily. >> on the positive thing, ibm's watson from win from winning jeopardy. it's now being repurposed, doing a lot of million diagnoses, treatment, it's an example of how these advances can really improve our lives. >> absolutely. andrew mcafee and i talk about in the book the bounty that comes with automation, longer lives, better health care. because of watson going to medical school and learning how to do medical diagnosis is part of that bounty. already there are technologies using big data scanning through lots and lots of images that are able to identify cancer better than some of the best diagnosticians in the world and that is leading to lives being saved.

so the result is that we'll all benefit from that kind of bounty and those kinds of innovations. the watson is helping in not only investment baking advice, call centers and a whole lot of other industries as well. >> in your book, you are an optimist, the title of it, that something goodwill come out, -- something something good will come out. we're going to see a second machine age which will be comparable to the first machine age which is the industrial revolution. >> the first machine age was ultimately a revolution. let me qualify that. we call ourselves mindful optimists. the mindful part, the mindful, we don't think there's a single inevitable future, whether it's a utopian one or a dystopian one where the wealth is terribly concentrated, there are multiple futures that are possible. and if we're mindful about our

choices, how we invest in education, our policy choices, our own choices as individuals, how we organize ourselves, then we can steer ourselves towards some of those better outcomes. nothing is inevitable. the reason we wrote the book is to change the conversation, and to get people thinking about these different issues. >> the book is in a time of brilliant technologies. eric brynjoffsson, appreciate you coming on. >> thank you.

>> today's data dive takes a look at the most bizarre sports in the world. the empire state building run took place on wednesday night. it's an annual sprint up the 1576 stairs that ascend to the 86th floor where the tower's lower observation deck is. the winners take about ten minutes but the

run is tame compared to truly weird sporting events around the world. and we're not just talking about hotdog eating contests, they're pretty mainstream when it compares to chess boxing. it combines both in its name, the perfect combination of brains and brawn. one round involves four minutes of chess, fold by two minutes of boxing. the opponents compete for 11 rounds. it's become huge on social media an youtube. another nutty event is the annual wife carrying competition, that's been a finnish competition since 1972. there's a division for senior are citizens. wales holds the bog contest everyyear. isn't the point of snorkeling being aible to see underwater? sky diving ironing contest. you heard me: you skydive and you iron.

there are a few leagues dedicated to the competition. wouldn't the free fall wrinkle the clothes? for some reason, england has a disproportionate number of these crazy competitions. they also have gurning which is face-pulling. people line up and make the funn iest facial expressions they can. it's been a tradition for hundreds of years. yes, hundreds of years. for obvious reasons we can't show you the video of the running of the nudes, in pamplona, spain, before the running of the bulls, some people say it's more exciting and less dangerous. of course that's depending on the participants.

>> from hate to hope. we continue our look at oscar nominated documentaries with the short film, "facing fear."

the lack of it led to an amazing sense of forgiveness. a gay, 17-year-old, crossed paths with skin head tim zahl, and they left him for dead in a west hollywood alley. >> punching and kicking me as hard as i could in order to get me down on the ground. >> i saw that he was moving it will something to the effect, what's wrong with you guys, don't you know how to put a boot in? i remember looking into that face. remember looking at that mohawk and those eyes. >> i kicked him in the forehead and he was out. >> in those last moments of looking up and watching these 14 guys with razor blades glued to the front of their boots high-fiving each other and they were congratulating each other. they believed with everything that was in them that they had

accomplished the goal of killing that kid in the alley who had never spoken to them, never said anything to them. the words and what i saw were far more painful throughout my life than the boots and the blades. >> 25 years later, the victim and his attacker met again. matthew boger and tim saul join us from los angeles. jason cohen is the oscar nominate ed producer. he joins us from l.a. matthew , your childhood determined this. your mother kicked you out of the house at 13 because you were gay. determined where you went with life, you developed racial hatred after your brother was shot by an africa american. tell me how you got othe museum of tolerance where you ended up

meeting tim again. >> to answer that in a short , quick answer. i did get off the streets at the age of 13 and a half. i ended up having a 22 year successful career in los angeles. it was after the death of matthew shepherd that affected me, i kind of realized i hadn't tied too much of his story to mine at that time, but it had affected me to the point where basically, i could sit to myself and say i could sit back and do nothing, but make a difference. it was never my intent to manage the museum, i went there to volunteer my time. but about six months into it it was that powerful and i dedicated my life to continuing to work there. >> and tim it took your little son saying a racial slur to wake you up to where your life was, and you also end up at the

museum of tons. and you met matthew. you tell me about that meeting. >> i had been there at the museum of tolerance about five years before matthew coming on scene. we had stepped out and credit talked to a school group and during our discussion we started talking about our pasts, where we had grown up and where we used to hang out and there was a specific hamburger stand, hotdog stand that we used to hang out at. the punk rockers used to hang out there in the late '70s, early 1980s, and the growing gay population also used to hang out there. the specific evening was very, very violent. and of course, it was something that i had remembered, we were discussing where we had grown up i said hey have you ever heard of this place? and matthew had discussed you know hanging out there and i had told him that i quit hanging out there because of one night that

was very violent. after i said that there was a lot of questions. a whole bunch of questions. and we both sort of figured out that we had both met in the past. which was a very awkward moment i think for both of us. >> i know, i would imagine. and jason, what makes the story even more remarkable in a way is it wasn't just that they forgave each other immediately. not that matthew had anything to forgive. but forgiveness didn't come easy. they had issues to deal with. >> that was the big motivation for the film, to explore this process of forgiveness that the two of them had to go through. it is not cut and dry, not an easy thing for them, both had personal issues they were struggling with both matthew and tim.

and it took a lot. they were not necessarily wanting to be around each other from the get-go. and they started to do this presentation and we started to examine where they are now which is in a good place but there was a lot that went into that and our goal was to really examine that. >> talking about it, matthew it's difficult to imagine forgiving someone who almost killed you. how long did it take and how did you get to that place? >> you know, it took a few years. i want to preface that forgiveness is an ongoing journey. i have reached a place with tim where, i think that part of our journey is complete. it took a few years. it took a lot of -- it started wanting to know why they had chosen me, why those things happened. but part of the process was tim's willingness to be open and honest and share the details of that night which helped me in some way to move forward and past it to a point where i could forgive tim completely.

and you know, doing the presentations we do together also helped that process, because we work together extensively. so i think unlike most people i was in a unique situation where i could be around what once was my perpetrator and worked through the issues we worked with singly and together -- is achieving the process of forgiveness, mime to tim and tim to himself. >> you had to deal with forgiving your younger self to be able to move along. >> it was probably one of the hardest things i've ever done. usually when you think of consequences you talk about going to jail, people not liking you, something like that. but yeah. i did deal with a lot of guilt, because matthew was basically a representative of a lot of -- at least the way i looked at it and the way i processed it was that he was the

symbol of you know all my past misdeeds and people that i've hurt in my life. so it was very, very difficult. you know, he would ask for example in the audience, especially young people you know, matthew's forgiven you, perhaps god has forgiven you, but have you been able to forgive yourself? hatred and internal things started to come to the forefront and it was very difficult. >> you have become friends and support each other. and jason they lecture together and try to bring their message and connect with people. what makes their story so effective together? >> when you hear their story, especially when you hear their story firsthand is such a remarkable story. anyone who can hear it is relates, fortunately not all of us have gone through such a

horrific situation that these two men have gone through, they can present it to their own lives. that was the goal of our story, whether it be a small dispute with a friend or family member and the story has touched a lot of people. we've shown the film around the world at this point. and people are really reacting to it, and wanting to talk and open up a discussion about compassion and love and forgiveness. >> jason i wish you good luck at the oscars and matthew and tim, i really wish you guys the best of luck in getting your message out there and communicating it to the people who need to see it. >> thank you so much. >> facing fear is playing in movies all over the country. the show may be over but the

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