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violence. it will not resolve the crisis. >> violence and blood she had bloodshed must stop immediately. police arrest the leader of the opposition . the fact is, we have four dead americans. >> this is a comeback story. a story of how she went from pretty well in thest of the american public back to a high point. >> okay. ♪ ♪ we begin tonight with out break of violence in ukraine, 20 people were reported killed tuesday in clashes between police and protesters in the country's capital kiev. hundreds more may have been hurt. the violence started earlier in the day after protesters reoccupied city hall and marched in to an area near independence square where police had amassed. police are accused of using live ammunition as well as tear gas, water cannons and rubber bullets to fight the protesters.

ukraine has been paralyzed by political turmoil when the president reject aid deal with the european union in return for financial sport and closer ties with russia. for more i am joined from ukraine's capital kiev by natialia correspondence with an independent online news seven theres in ukraine. thank you for doing this for us. where have you been today? and what did you see? >> reporter: we have been following as editor, anchorrer and journalist everything happening from early more than generally. so far i have a shift in the newsroom. but i should explain what's happening now. it's most urgent. we are now doing our news and talking to all the reporters from the field. so what is is new, what we haven't heard is that it's also the thugs in plain cloths have joined the police and still a huge out break of violence in the independence scare. the crack down is in full force and people try to protect themselves. the protesters, with different

kind of means, we know that also there are injuries from both sides. buttethe difference of the two events is definitely during the day there was a clash and we can talk about the use of force some legitimate use of force and the live ammunition and it is confirmed, i have -- we have a journalist who brought the bullet in to the studio and it's not just rubber bullets but life. now the situation is going on, and i guess for the last more than five hours, there is a constant call from the people and from the position and all international body to his stop the violence that would do something that the police and this force would stop the crack down because little by little they overtaking the square, which actually was put on fire.

and, yes, now the cocktail molotovs are use but also the live ammunition as well. but the people in the square don't know -- it's kind of an asylum for them. it's their camp and the biggest concern is since the early days there are a lot of injured. and we are talking about hundreds of people. hundreds of injured. and because of the violence in the place, really the ambulances it's hard for the people to get the injured and get some help because we continue know how many people are missing since the day. and it's happening right now, there are some development in the country, but the only response from the government is this entire terror operation which in ukraine is unique, we have never heard of the word terror here, that's probably the main thing to address. >> well, it is scary to of what the pictures of the violence and doesn't surprise me at all seeing those pictures that it must be hundreds of people who got hurt. now, who started the violence today? is it clear that it was the

police and not the protesters? >> yes, in a way we know what was happening -- i won't get in to the politics, because of course there was this idea of the attempt of the position to put up the all-time constitution which would have a less -- give less power to the president . when the people marched to parliament there were people in plain clothes also throwing stones, the people also thrown stones but got the answers with the rubber bullets, with the grenades, what is really happening is that the subway first time in the ukrainian history was shutdown in order that more people won't come to the center. so the center is somehow cut for the people, people can't go there, but i know a lot of people are walking to reach the place because that's the only -- there is not any trust

in the -- no trust in any -- you know, any police or anybody. so there should be just volunteers or who would help the people, and also there are a lot of volunteers among the doctors and there is also people who are in the center, they, for instance, are afraid if they would be taken to the hospital, they would being arrested in the hospital. because these cases were also forwarded. but of more concern there is one person, the president who doesn't pick up the phone, from the president of the european commission from angela merkel, joe biden more or less reached him. but seems that all day there was not any sign and this is the only person can somehow gifford to stop. >> is there any chance that yanukovych will back down a little bit. there are reports that he's meeting with opposition leader vitale klischko. is it possible ideal will be reached and this will calm down? >> there is just a hope, because so far there is a feeling that

the red line is kind of crossed. because the government also used these people with unknown definition, who also attack and and really, for -- with every hour there are more people injured. so the hope is there, but but the answer is not there. >> we hope for the sake of all the people who have gotten hurt that something -- >> i should explain, i am sorry for interrupting. it's very important, for the international audience to understand, this is something which happened first time in the ukrainian history. never. there was a case a month ago when the three people died and the first people died in the clashes with police in ukrainian history. we have never seen something like that, this is why the people are very confused. they are disturb ed they don't know what to do they are disturbed and society is not ready for this. i believe the danger is that

people are ready to answer because so far they didn't see any concession from the government. >> it's very disturb to go watch this. thank you very much for joining us telling us what's going on in kiev. switching topics to another nation in crisis, venezuela opposition leader low polled owe lopez vend today police in caracas tuesday but not before telling a huge crowd that he wasn't afraid to go to jail to highlight what he called the country's corruption and did he line after 15 years of socialist government. lopez also said imprisonment would be well worth it if it woke up the venezuelan people to the country's polite. after the arrest, 10s of thousands of demonstrators blocked the streets in say show of support for lopez and against the government . it has been racked by december straighters for weeks by people saying they have had enough of crumbs, shortage of basic items and inflation that's the world's

highest despite being an oil-rich country. meanwhile the president told supporters that lopez must answer for what he called treason us acts. earlier protests left three people dead so he faces channel of homicide. i am joined by venezuela's ambassador to the u.n., president of the u.n. council and government of caracas, it's great to have with you with us, we saw in the streets of caracas yourself today. you were out there speaking to the soldiers from the national guard blocking a street . you went right up to them and talks to them what did you say? >> i was telling them, more to the officers behind them that they were not only obstructing a peaceful demonstration, but but they were threatening and abusing the rights. venezuelan people. i told the officers one day you will be judged and prosecuted almost as war criminals because that's the way the national venezuela.

>> did you get any kind of response from them? >> no. the officer said keep cool. the officers knew me they knew i won't going to stop. it was a way to demonstrate reaction to the armed firsts in venezuela to abuse the rights and demonstrations like today. >> you are one of the major opposition leader, low owe peeled owe lopez who has been the inspiration or one of the inspirations had been in hiding after the president said he was going to be ate ared was it the right move for him to surrender to president maduro's forces ? >> it's such is a personal decision to do it. he wanted to demonstrate that's not an outlaw. we don't have a judicial system. there are no laws in venezuela that will treat him objectively.

but the regime relies that putting lopez in jail, lee polled owe lopez will generate a lot of problems. what started 13 days ago are student december strayings against human rights violations throughout venezuela is blooming and grown for nba to a massive protest which i believe will increase in the forthcoming days. >> it's also being reported that another leader of lopez's party is now being order today surrender. are they going to be going after more and more political prisoners and can they get fair trials? you just said the judiciary is just not independent. >> you know, we have been living here for 15 years the same system. many of the venezuelan leadership and opposition have not realized that we are facing to begin with a military government because venezuela is a military regime, controlled by

the cuban amazingly, by the cuban regime. and as such the cubans have great experience in exercising pressure and nba how to pressure societies. and they are doing that in venezuela, they control the military, they control the police, they control the intelligence agencies, so they are in full control today in venezuela . even though that's the situation we give them 100,000-barrels of oil a day. >> this began with hugo chavez's close relationship with fidel castro. but chavez was elected a number of times, maduro last year, very, very tight, almost split down the middle vote, but they also won elections in december. so what do you and other members. government? >> you know, actually, when chavez died, venezuela entered into a transition process which i believe has been now coming to an end with maduro.

you know, to begin with, the last presidential elections, we won the last presidential elections, actually, we were not able to gain rick mission of that. but it's a fact. and in the election we won the big cities. but there is no electoral option for venezuela. we win all the elections the regime will not allow united states to gets to power. we have 60,000 cubans in venezuela, we have all kind of narc owe traffickers, mafias, under the protection of the government. seven generals of the highest rank which are on the kingpin list of the united states treasury. never not going to give up $90 billion a year which is the income of venezuela a year, we are a great business for the cubans the mafia groups and the corrupt military officers and the corrupt members of the high arc i of venezuela .

there is a great appetite to preserve it as we have it. maduro said to us last week, i don't care you'll never get back to power. if i let loose all of these civilian groups, they have a lot of gangs which are armed, today they did not exhibit they want because there were a lot of journalists in venezuela. but they have these gangs, which are criminal gangs, which last week killed three young people. and this afternoon today, they shot another girl, a queen beauty of valencia, was shot in the head. so they use these groupings in order to not to let the armed forces because the armed forces are beginning to get very concerned about implications of the responsibilities that they may face in the future regarding of crimes that have been committed for so many years. >> and we have seen pictures. opposition rallying in caracas and rallying around the country. but there is tremendous censorship; there not? it's very hard to get much of

this out because the government controls almost all of the media media. >> you know, the control that they have is about 90% but they have 100 percent because whenever they want, the president enters what we call the chain, the link, all the televisions and radio stations they change them to one voice and one view. and chavez exploited that a lot. now this gentlemen, by the way, we don't even know whether the gentlemen who acts as head of venezuela is a columbian? , he has never been able to prove document that he's a venezuelan citizen. the people watch this program, antonio maybe wondering what kind of country we are, what kind of country we have become. venezuela for such a long time a respected member of the international community. today we have become the source of financing for some of the worst causes against humanity.

we were friend with qaddafi. castro, you choose them. if there is an enemy of the united states then immediately the government of venezuela joins the ranks. >> now, and u.s. diplomats have been thrown out of venezuela, the u.s., insists the charges that the u.s. has been involved in all of this are false. and baseless and that venture swa is la is trying to distract from of actions, although the u.s. does support some opposition groupings. it's very good to have you on the show and we appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. >> thank you so much. we have we break we want to bring you the latest from another country convulsed by previous test on his tuesday. at least four people were killed and morning 60 injured in bangkok thailand as riot police struggled to force anti-government protesters from blocking the streets around the prime minister's office. while the wrote testers insisted they were peaceful and unarmed, at least one policeman was killed and 20 injured.

witnesses reported seeing at least one protester with an assault weapon. the protest movement is trying to depose thailand's elected government which claims -- which it claims favors corrupt politicians and the rural north and they want to replace the government with an unelected assembly. coming up, stoned drivers slipping past sobriety tests. why police may need to shake up their old method says. and our social media producer her mall a hermela is track thes happening on the we had. >> after a yes cent explosion chevron's apology is getting a lot of aingers i'll tell you why coming up. let us know what you think on twitter on aj consider this or leave a comment on our face back page.

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with marijuana legalization on the rise, concerns about the safety and prevalence of driving after smoking pot are growing throughout the country. but the issue of driving under the influence of marijuana is complicated from how to measure impairment to knowing just how impaired they are when high. joining us from colorado is glen davis the highway safety manager of the colorado department of

transportation. good to have you with us. according to american journal of epidemiology, the number of car crash victims with pot in their systemses increased threefold from 199 to 2010. do you believe marijuana is to blame? >> i believe that shows that marijuana certainly is a substance being used and is a contributor to those crashes . >> according to another study a 20-year-old drunk driver is much more likely to be in a fatal crash than i think it's almost 20 times more likely than someone who wasn't drinking at 20. driving while high doesn't seem to have as nearly as much of an effect is driving after having used marijuana less dangerous than drunk driving? >> i don't think so. marijuana is an impairing substance just like alcohol. and if pima beus it or even just use it to the point of impairment, it's equally

dangerous. >> how reliable -- or how do you enforce it. other studies show that as little as 30% of people that smoked marijuana fail the test. how do you figure out who is impaired and who is not? >> i can speak for colorado which we have law enforcement officers highly trained in detecting impaired drivers whether it's alcohol or drugs. it's not just the roadside that determines the arrest. it's the person's driving, what it was like during their contact, the type of violation it was, the innin indicia of impairment that the officer sees. the test doesn't determine if they were under drugs it determines if they were impaired and need to be arrested for further testing. >> are there marijuana-specific tests? because, again, if that study found that about 30% of people smoked marijuana, can do the standard field sobriety test, it would seem that you

might not be able to just checking them casually and the roadside test will be able for figure out whether they are high or not? >> the roadside tests of standardized and should be able to detect if someone is impaired. in colorado if someone is arrested and the officer feels there is a likelihood that the impairment is something other than alcohol, he can call in a drug recognition expert. the drug recognition expert can do some other tests on a person, they are not really at road roas more in a clinical situation, like in a processing room and then he can -- that dre can make determination fist that person is impaired by something other than alcohol or a combination of drugs and alcohol. >> you know you have done phone surveys that people don't know that dui laws apply for marijuana. but colorado treats driving under the influence of marijuana as -- the same as alcohol, is that the right approach? >> that's direct. in colorado the statute for dui, it's alcohol and/or drugs.

so it could be a combination of alcohol, drugs, or just alcohol or drugs, but just the fact that marijuana was legalized in colorado it -- it was really no change for the dui statute. driving while impaired by marijuana or any drug has always been illegal. >> now, colorado has some legal that fresh holds for marijuana, one of the issues that arises when you read about all of this is that people have different tolerances and that marijuana stays in people's systems. so a heavy user can actually still have pretty high levels of the active ingredient marijuana in their system days after the last time they smoked. >> well, colorado, what people are tested on is blood. and the blood will show the active ingredient. the ingredient, impairing ingredient which is delta nine tetra knapp knowledge. >> how about the issue that it stays in people's systems longer longer. you drink and it's out of your system but the active ingredient

can stay in a day or two. >> it shows the body discharging it. but if a person takes blood that will show what the active ingredient is. >> have a seen any change on the roads since marijuana became legal? >> we haven't but we are only 50 days in to this. >> right. >> so it will take a while to analyze a data. maybe in a year and five years from that. >> a lot more to learn given the experience in a way that is happening there in *l come glen davis highway safety marge force colorado department of transportation, thank you very much for joining us tonight? >> thank you so much. >> turning now to foreign policy whether u.s. troops stay in afghanistan could have wide-ranging consequence on the war on terror.

hamid karzai has refused to sign the bilateral agreement that would keep troops in afghanistan beyond 2014. but american drones in the area depend on bases in afghanistan that would have to close in u.s. troops left. how would that effect important american security interests in both afghanistan and neighboring pakistan? joining us now from washington, d.c. is daniel, a senior fellow for india, pan stan and south asia the council on foreign relations and also the a tour of the book no exit from pakistan. daniel, great to have you with us. let's first talk about the issue of afghanistan and our bases there, if america fully pulls out and we scant have bases for drones, how badly will it hurt us? >> it will hurt us pretty badly. assuming that the problem of al qaeda persists along the pakistan, afghanistan border which is i think an assumption we can make. there aren't a lot of other great pace paces from which to h

drones given the geography of the ring. >> unthat will hurt us on how many different levels? >> look at al qauda, a that will persist, that means that terrorists who are planning, plotting, organizing attacks, in that border area, would be more able to do so . then there is the problem of regionally militants, groups that have attacked in afghanistan will continue to do so. potentially plot attacks against neighboring india as well and the problem of attacks against pakistan itself. we have our problems with pakistan, but stability there is also still important to us. and groups like the pakistani taliban, homegrown insurgents would be more likely to launch their attacks, plan their plots against islambad from those areas as well. and we wouldn't have the drone tools to be able to address that. >> because there is just simply no other place where we could put our bases that would give us enough access to get to those

areas quickly enough. conceivably we could even have american forces on the ground conducting operations that we couldn't then support from the area. >> yeah. i wouldn't say that there are no other places. i moon, there have been suggestions that we could try to launch the drones from further air field in central asia that we could try to have them based offshore, base them in the persian gulf and launch them from there, so there are some options. but just look at the globe. this is a difficult area, those distances are fairly long. the technology of drones particularly the earlier technologies is not so advanced that you can fly these things indefinitely. so the chances of being -- of having problems as they fly and also having shorter times that they would be available to suhr veil overhead, these problems with be more significant. we wouldn't see the targets as well examine and not hit them as quickly once we do see them.

>> the alternative adds hundreds of miles of defense tans for their flight. >> right. >> let's talk about is meet car same he has resisted signing this agreement that keeps around 10,000 american troops in afghanistan . you are said that, quote, karzai has believed for sometimes that he has this leverage that we need him and his bases than he needs us . is that the case? if show, i is that why he seemso be playing hardball against the u.s. >> it's always a difficult thing to try to read his minds. he has mull tim motivations and drivers for the decisions he's made in his negotiations with us. but by almost all accounts, he has basically from the beginning thought that he had more leverage with us than we have had with him. it's partially the drone issue. it also has do with the sense reported from multiple sources that he seems to think that the united states basically thinks

of afghanistan in much more sort of significant gio strategic, geopolitical terms. perhaps as a means for the united states to exert influence in to central asia, to flank a ron and iran, things this that y believe that we need more than we do. >> we have seen the results of the complete withdrawal from iraq and the extremism in iraq and syria. could that happen in afghanist afghanistan, a rise of the taliban that would mean we have wasted all this money and lives in this long war? >> i think it could. we see and we hear stories about a zero option, that is united states not being able to achieve bilateral security agreement with karzai or perhaps with a future afghan government, and drawing down to zero or near vero in terms of forces there. and by by most

accounts you would see certainly the taliban rejoice in this and the question how far they can push their advantage and what kind of backlash that would bring inside afghanistan from opposing forces. many afghans oppose the taliban and from the rider region what is russia, india, pakistan do. in the past you have seen this dissolve in to a civil war. and there are many reasons to think that you might see something similar. if not overnight, then perhaps over a period of years. whether that would mean that all of our efforts in afghanistan were wasted, of course that remains to be seen. but it would be a major setback at least i think so. >> you have called for a complete reappraisal of our relationship with pakistan, is pakistan the bigger issue in all of this, there are a lot of problems there, including actually those drones that are used for some nuclear monitoring, because, being, pakistan is a nuclear power and there are reports that it's creating more and more nuclear

weapons as we speak. >> yeah. pakistan is by far the more significant challenge, or even threat to u.s. interests over the long-term as compared to afghanistan. just by the numbers. pakistan nearly 200 million people. likely to reach 300 million people by mid century, putting it certainly in the top half dozen of countries in the world as put it, pakistan is nuclear armed. it's arsenal is growing. including tactical nuclear warheads, very small ones that raise new problems or potential problems with respect to terrorism, theft, proliferation unauthorized use, this is a very dangerous and volatile situation and of course, pakistan is also a country that has, like afghanistan, but in even more significant numbers, international terrorist groups, internationally financed, links to the gulf and elsewhere in the world, these problems aren't going away overnight. and these are the kind of things that we have to confront for

decades to come. >> again, the book is no exit from pakistan, america's tortured relationship with islambad. daniel, great to have you on the show, thank you for your time. >> thank you. time now to see what's trends on the ground al jazerra america's website let's check back in with hermela. >> chevron is under fire for its response to a recent incidents. last week one of their fracking wells in pittsburgh, pennsylvania exploded causing a fire that lasted four days. one person was left injured, and another is missing and presumed dead. along with the letter of apology, chevron sent 100 penal in the nearby community a coupon for a large pizza and a two-liter drink at a local shop. the letter was posted online monday and caused quite a stir. director josh fox known for his films on the dangers of fracking sarcastically chevron guaranteed our wells won't explode or your pizza is free. however pizza is only part of their out reach they are making donations to local fire departments ranging from a thousand to $7,500.

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operatives and hillary land. and focuses on the woman who has never stopped running for president. joining me now, jonathan allen, the white house correspondent for bloomberg, and amy, senior correspondent at the hill. it's great to have you on the hill, and congratulations on the new book. john than, many sea that john kerry has ellipsed her, and not risking anything, and hillary clinton is looking at the future and what it means specifically for her when it comes to running for president. >> there may be some of that. john kerry hazy marquee things that he's working on right now, syria, and irarn and the middle east peace are three things that are unresolved. so we do not know how we'll be able to score that when all

things are said and done, particularly with iran. it was state officials under hillary clinton who started having those negotiations with the iran he's in 2012. so i think that the john kerry scorecard still has incompletes on it, and as far as hillary clinton goes, we go into this in the book, this was no marquee piece deal under herb, and that's something by which she'll be measured. but diplomats, the first job is to make sure that the problems don't arise, and there were potential diplomatic disasters that she headed off. but those who criticized her for not having goat the israelis and palestinians to sit down and sing in harmony --

>> the hit list, of ranked friends and foes, it was numerical. and number 7, you had ted kennedy, and john kerry and claire mccass kill and others, and do you buy the line from the clinton camp that this was misinterpreted? >> they're saying that they don't rely on it and circulate it, but it is a repeatedder to people that they do keep track of their friends and enemies. clintons are constantly looking forward but looking back. and how this is the today, bill clinton went on these revenge cycles and he took out people who didn't support his wife.

>> there's no question that she has not stopped running for president and she has every intention of running in 2016. >> this train is rolling and there are groups behind her, and all she has to do is decide she's running and the whole landscape is there for her. >> around the bush years, you certainly bring up in of the positive things that bob gates and general petraeus said about her. but sense you wrote the guts of the book, what we saw in syria, and how vladimir putin has reached his authority and put now considered the most powerful person in the world, compared to obama, and was she successful in the long run in

restoring that image. >> it depends on what you're talking about in the long run, certain the states has long-term partners in europe, certainly with the bush administration, and across the world, the united states as an es steeped group. and we saw coalitions between the united states and folks in the cooperation counsel and the arab league, and the invasion of libya that you would never have seen before. in some places, that's true, and in other places, harder to crack in terms of american pop alert. and it's almost nothing in pakistan, for instance, so i think there's some on the record, but if you look at the poll, the united states is better perceived around the world than it was when barack obama took office and hillary clinton took office, and they

probably share some credit in that. >> benghazi, i suspect we'll see this in 2006. >> with all-due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. is it because of a protest or is it because guys out for a walk who decided to kill americans. what difference, at this point, does it make? >> again, amy, at that point, benghazi, a tough moment, and she has received a lot of criticism and a lot of reports that have come out recently have been critical of the state department. >> it is, and we'll see that again and again and again, and the republican national community told us that. there was an ad that mitt romney didn't use when he was running for president that basically pinpointed obama for benghazi or blamed him for it, and i think that's an ad that they're going to play and cues hillary clinton of having her hands in this, and

not being prepared and this was on her watch. and this is geared up and we can expect it in the coming months. >> i want we have media questions for us. let's go to hermela. >> as you know, a recent magazine cover portraying hillary as a man et. and they have taken it and made it their own. the original was written by amy, who covered hillary in 2008 though hillary has not announced she'll run, she has designated to focus on her. and is she in the campaign. >> the last person to announce that hillary clinton is going to rub for president is going to be hillary clinton. in the book, the way amy and i have been portraying it in the book, she has been running all

along. and how she continued to build the clinton minimal operation inside of the state department while her did the same thing outside of the state department. and built the family brand to punish enemies and help obama in 2012. there's no question that she has been running for a long time. if she were to stop running, i think it would be the story of the year for 2014. >> amy, i would be remiss if i didn't bring up some of the criticism of the book. you had tremendous access, and you had a couple of hundred of hillary people that have spoken to you, and you have gotten some criticism that the book is too favorable to her. >> we have the leading new york times book critic give us a favorable review, along with the

wash post office, and i think that you're referring to one piece. >> the new york times felt it was a little bit too flatter. >> sure, we talked to people who like mer and don't like her, and we talked to republicans thinking about running against her, and we talked to a lot of different people, so i think we actually formed -- we're both journalists, and we both cover the white house, and we're impartial, and this is the book that they wrote. >> both sides have used pieces of this book already, and their political ambition, those who would defend hillary clinton and those who would attack her have used pieces of this vote. the viewer has the right to his or her opinion and we don't share t. >> we have one piece where hillary clinton is advocating

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the zoos under a harsh spotlight this month. last week a danish zoo sparked world right outrage when it killed a giraffe, cut it up in front of school children and fed the remains other animals, now costa rica is expected to decide soon whether to close its state zoos and transfer the animals to freer environments. it could have many implications, caiwayne the president and ceo f the human society joins us. >> costa rica would be the first country in the world to do something like that what kind of repercussions would it have? >> well, costa rica has really taken up the mantle of environment protection and animal welfare and defining its economy my and nation around these very green

principles and welfare principles this is an extension of what it's doing in a lot of other domains in animal welfare and conservation. i thanking any time you get a lead are like this raising questions about what best practices are, i think it reverberates in a global economy with global communication with his a global animal welfare movement. so i think it's bound to be discussed in the united states. and in other countries, that have a real regard for animal welfare. >> it's been a rough me pho* for zoos as we said because of what happened in denmark. but there are strong arguments in favor of zoos because they do serve as a primary tool to teach children about animals and wildlife. so where does the humane society stand on zoos in principle? >> well, antonio, in the united states we have about 200 accredited zoos, they are accredited by a private trade association of zoos. and they try to maintain strong standards, they do enrichment

for the animals in these environments. they have vet care, they try to pay attention to animal welfare and conservation principles, we are not always happy with all the things that they do, but we like the idea of standards and accreditation. for every one of those accredited zoos, we have 10 nona credited zoos, what we refer to as roadside intos or ma imagine menageries. 2,000 of them . they deny their vet care, entirely unprofessional organizations you can drive around the united states and we urge our supporters and anyone concerned about animal welfare not not to patronize them. that's the biggest problem with captive wildlife issues in the united states along with private citizens owning them and keeping them as pets in their backyards or basements. those are the big issues. the accredited zoos, issues are there, but they are definitely

much lower burner issues for us at the human society of the united states. >> so there is no regulation to deal with these roadside zoos? or what kind of regulation is there? >> the u.s. department the al culture enforces the animal welfare act and you have to get a license if you are exhibiting animals for profit purposes. so u.s.d.a. may make one visit a year to these facilities. but the standards are almost nonexistence under the animal welfare act for captive wildlife the only thing that trigg airs violation is real filth, the animals starving, but if they are in a deficient enclosure that doesn't have the right size, if they are denying the animals an opportunity to socialize with others of their kind, those are not problems at all. and they don't deal with how the animals are procured or dispensed with once they don't want them any longer. >> beyond zoos we have theme

parks lie see sea world and black fish have been controversial. these are massive businesses . issues with them? >> absolutely. black fish is a phenomenon it's been broadcast multiple times and really captured the imagination of the american pick big, especially young people wondering why okay as or killer wales the largest predators on the planet who swim 10s of miles every day who live in a social groups, family groups, why they are in these sterile little pools to do silly stunts so that people can, you know, cheer and clap at that. what black fish did was tell the back story and tell the story of, you know, failed reproductive efforts in captivity. what happened when animals the captured. the babies being take friend their mothers and i think it raises the question of the behavior and psychological needs of the animals not being

properly attend today in these captive settings. when you are dealing with incredibly smart creatures with big brains, why are we doing this if we are this big-brained creature ourselves that can distinguish right from wrong and this really falls on one side of the wrong side. >> people around the world were horrified by this thing in denmark with marius the giraffe that was killed and fed to lions in front of kids. there is talks of another jeff rav also named marius possibly in line to be killed by another zoo in denmark. what lessons should the worldwide community of zoos learn from that? >> well, i think the idea of treating animals just as commodities and if they are not contributing to the genetic diversity of the captive population of giraffes, they are expendsable and we are going to execute the animal and then feed the animal to the lions right in front of a bunch of school kids, i mean, there is a certain sort of reductionist thinking, a cavalier thinking, a very narrow-minded thinking, that we

think is all wrong. zoos can contribute to conservation and they can contribute to the genetic health of captive populations but they should also be thinking about animal welfare, they should be instilling an he go i can of kindness and compassion, thinking about the larger issues and not just treating animals that you don't think are going to add to the genetic health of a captive population as animals who are expendsable. giraffes are beautiful, remarkable creatures and kids don't want to see them shot and fed to the lions in front them. fortunately associations zoos and aquariums in the united states condemned the activity and said it's not a practice that's acceptable at u.s. accredited zoos it probably happens to one degree in these road sigh menageries, which, again, are the big problem in captive wildlife issues in the united states. >> important points, wayne of human society, great to have you back on the show, thanks for joining us. >> thank you very much. the show may be over but the conversation continues on our website

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