a messaging app called, what's app? consider this is up next. we'll see you at 11:00. >> a truce late wednesday in ukraine hasn't stopped the chaos. we'll go to kiev. also pussy riot's shocking beating in public in sochi. also the focus on sexuality of female athletes, the double standard and its consequences. and a satirical book shines a light on north korea's horrible atrocities. here more on what's ahead. >> destruction and violence in

ukraine. >> president yanukovych has agreed on a truce. >> many feel there are more trouble to come. >> two public thorns in the side of russian president vladimir putin. >> members of pussy riot tried to film a video and then this happened. >> the male athletes, anyway. >> the way women are portrayed, the language used and the images used. >> ice bucket, professional athletes, hair and makeup,. >> my name is are michael malet. the unauthorized kim jong-il's biography. why does kim jong-il claims he can freeze time? >> at least a temporary stop to the awful violence in ukraine.

viktor yanukovych said on his website that he agreed with the opposition to try to stabilize ukraine in the interest of social peace. that followed a ban on u.s. visas and a threat of more sanctions against ukrainian officials. tuesday night wednesday morning saw at least 26 people killed. ukraine's health ministry also counted almost 240 wounded. the local news sources say more than a thousand people on both sides of the barricades had been hurt and most of the fighting took place around kiev's independence square, security service reported attacks in many parts of the country, claiming courtrooms had been burned, peaceful civilians killed more than 1500 guns and 100 rounds of ammunition stolen. protesters are demanding president viktor yanukovych step down. for accepting a financial

settlement with russia rather than with the european union. jennifer glasse, glad to have you. did anyone know this situation was deteriorating badly? >> that's right antonio, out of the blue. this evening president yanukovych replaced the head of the army, everyone thought that was an ominous sign. in independence square, the protesters preparing for battle again, after that very fears battle that left 26 dead and hundreds injured with flash grenades, protesters being shot by the police, there were dead on both sides. but this truce comes really, really as a shock to everyone, both the opposition and president yanukovych confirming that it is true, that it is indeed that negotiations will start again to try to end the bloodshed. >> do we have any idea of what the conditions of the truce

were? >> we don't. toipt, it seems that both sides -- toints, it seem -- anto it seems that violence has spread to much of the country. there is concern about what might come next. there has been a lot of pressure from the west, president viktor yanukovych under a lot of pressure to calm things down. we've heard from secretary of state john kerry today as well as european leaders. certainly a lot of external pressure but i think you can't look at the violence that happened here on both sides last neither, police and protesters killed in horrific clashes. just a few blocks from here in kiev actually there was a shooting just a block from here last night antonio and i think everybody thought it was in the best things to calm things down. tomorrow is a day of mourning in kiev. we don't know when or if the opposition leaders will meet with president viktor

yanukovych, but a ray of hope that there is a truce on the table. >> we saw horrific pictures of the horrific fighting on tuesday and overnight into wednesday, more than two dozen killed, hundreds injured. was it more peaceful on the streets on wednesday even before the truce was announced? >> it was. it was a very quiet time. the subway was shut down for the first time in its history, the subway across the city. to preliminary the movement of people so hundreds can't converge in the square. many, many thousands came, five, six, seven thousand were in the square, a sense of camaraderie, an upbeat, defiant mood in independence square. around the city, traffic much quieter than usual. a lot of the businesses are closed down, largely because the metro is closed, people can't get around, can't get to work, the uncertainty, people are quite concerned about what might happen next so a quiet peaceful

calm but a very tense day leer in kiev and i think this sign of a truce, this news of a truss as it trick -- owners -- truce as it trickles down, there is a lot of mistrust antonio. >> as you mentioned replacement of the head of the armed forces, the interior ministry had also called for an antiterrorist delegation in the country. what happens now, jennifer i hope we'll get you back and you can keep us posted in the days to come. thank you very much. >> i'll be here. >> as mentioned, the u.s. has put 120 ukraine officials on a black list. more on that and the ukrainian opposition i'm joined from washington, d.c. by ambassador william courtney who served and ambassador to kazakhstan, and

senior security staff for ukraine, russia and eurasia. are you surprised that these protests have lasted this long and the kind of violence we've seen over the past couple of days? >> you know the ukrainians had the orange revolution in 2004 which was successful. didn't take quite as long as this one. but they got under their belt a successful popular revolution, if you will to change. in that case, the issue was getting a new election in place of an election that was stolen. this has been much tougher, the yanukovych regime has held tight for quite some time. protest and peaceful. protesters are willing to stay out in freezing temperatures now for a couple of months. but the yanukovych government has overestimated its bargaining power and what we've seen recently including i think today the firing of the armed forces

minister is another suggestion there may be some cracks in the leadership. >> i wanted to play you a comment that president obama made on wednesday about ukraine and get your reaction. >> we expect the ukraine government to show restraint, he can recognizing that along with our european partners in the international community there will be consequences if people step over the line. >> is there a danger that these sanctions would just push yanukovych and his officials deeper into the russian camp? >> it's possible of course that they will see the sanctions as something that may force them in that direction. but the sanctions are not the most important thing in this crisis. the most important thing is for both yanukovych and for the oppositionists to believe that they can have a good future if they share power together. that both could treen substantial influence, compete in future elections and there will be another election 97 year. so the key is find -- next year.

the key is finding a power arrangement, which is difficult now, yanukovych has held out so long now, he is going to have to make bigger concessions. the only answer is some kind of power-sharing arrangement. >> we have seen all these pictures from the, we don't know that much from the protesters. the all ukrainian father land and the democratic alliance for reform which is led by former boxer vitaly klitschko, and then there's the right sector, that started the protests in kiev. could any of these or a coalition conceivably take power from yanukovych? >> probably all of them are going to have some stake in the process and that will be needed for stability in the country. when elections take place, next

year an election and future elections those parties will probably have to build new kinds of coalitions. some will be separately, some may be together. it's too hard to tell. but right now in a situation like this where they're all somewhat united against the party regents, will have to involve all of them as stakeholders one way or the other. >> the right sector has been blamed for instigating violence on its own. many of their group are described as hooligans, who trigger riots at games for fun. is it fair to say that some of these protesters bear some of the blame for violence? >> that's certainly true, some of them probably do but also there could be well pr

provocateurs, russia has put a lot of pressure on yanukovych to crack down on the protesters. as you have seen so far in the last few weeks, the overall leaders, yuk and klitschko, have called people to remain calm and they have been recently successful with that. but recently as the yanukovych government has cracked down. >> and president obama has called for more peaceful demonstrations and he included the protesters when he condemned the violence. let's listen to that. >> we hold the ukrainian government primarily responsible for making sure that it is dealing with peaceful protesters, in an appropriate way. we have said that we also expect

peaceful protesters to remain peaceful and we will be monitoring very closely the situation. >> does that help anyone on either side of the barricades? >> that will probably have some useful impact. but the europeans probably have more sway than the united states does. three foreign diplomats are going to kiev to meet with president yanukovych. ukraine trades as much with the european union than it does with russia. they have a big stake both ways. on the other hand, with european support and american support and international monetary fund the financial alternative for ukraine is to make some real economic reforms and get western support. so right now ukraine is nearly bankrupt. but the choice for them is to continue drawing on this $15 billion credit that the russians have promised, or make real are

orms and go to the -- mack real reforms and go to the -- make real reforms and go to the west. yeung hasn't made concessions on reforms so he has been forced to turn to the russians. if there is a power sharing arrangement where everyone comes together, it is greater to make reforms and go to the west. >> we'll have to see if this truce holds, ambassador william count, thank you for joining us on the show. >> you're welcome. >> report from venezuela last night. there were fresh clashes on the streets of caracas. protesters, angry at corruptions, one of the highest crime rates, shortage and corruption. the other sides, the are government of nicholas maduro, and leopoldo lopez surrendered

t.released by his party on wednesday, a video, he called on his people to end the maduro regime. a pending trial in egypt. thursday is the deadline to get out and stay out of the country, that from a terrorist group that claimed responsibility for bombing of a tourist bus. the group that is also claimed attacks on atax on egyptian police in the sinai. thursday is also the day three al jazeera english journalists, peter greste, mohamed fahmy and baher mohamed, are going on

trial, accused of aiding a terrorist organization. charges the journalists and al jazeera say are false. for more, i'm joined by charles senate. the correspond for two front line documentaries on egypt's ongoing crisis. thank you for being on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> most notably in 1997, where ayman al sawahiri, new group whose name translates as supporters of jerusalem is going down this road and trying that tactic again? >> yes, it's depressing. i mean this is really sad to see jiept swing back to the kind of violence it had in the '90s.

sadat was assassinated by these militants. they would fight back, terrorist bombings, it hurt the tourism industry, it hurt egypt badly. it is hard to see it go to where it is now. >> does this group have any connection with the muqtada muslim brotherhoodthe muslimbrom brotherhood has been connected again. >> there is no connection between ansar and the muslim brotherhood at all, and there's no connection between al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood. it is an interesting bit of terrain that most americans don't understand. there is a danger of conflating all of these groups as if they are the same thing. the muslim brotherhood has a sketchy past, a chickerred history and a -- checkered

history and long history. it embraced democracy. mohamed morsi was elected from that representation. suckers, naive if they ever did win an election that the west wouldn't actually let them rule. so the events that as they've transpired sort of play to al qaeda's argument. there's a bit of we told you so from the al qaeda camp to much of those who are drawn to militancy, who are slammists, islamists. they were not good at ruling, the egyptian people spoke out against that. but the military coup in many

ways has not been necessarily the wishes of the egyptian people. it is such a confusing complex terrain. there is an important note here not to conflate things but to be presize about egypt's history. >> egypt's tourism industry had already been suffering since the end of mubarak's regime. there have been a series of other coordinated attacks and bombings in cairo and elsewhere. given this kind of temperature memo, do you see the security forces getting the situation under control any time soon,. >> well, i think there's a clock ticking right now. general alsisi who is technically in charge, who will run for president and will win the presidency, i'm not a betting man, but that's looking like a very, very real possibility that he will be the

next president of egypt. but the clock ticks on him to fulfill the goals of the revolution. the expression in the street in tahrir, was to come to the side of the military which th the military did do. the military is a large and loved institution in egypt but there are goals of the revolution which are democracy, a change from police state, away from brutality. and what they're doing with the crack down on the press is not a move to democracy. >> let's address that. because the al jazeera journalists, peter greste, mohamed fahmy and baher mohamed are going on trial wednesday, if convicted of the offense, they could face several years in jail. is this going to be a show-trial like the ones we used to see in

the old soviet union? >> well, i don't know that it will be quite as bad as the old soviet union. but the judiciary is a mess in egypt right now. and it's hard to have faith that rational judgments will reveal themselves. what is on trial tomorrow is not peter or mohamed or baher. they are really trumped up. journalists trying to tell the story. what is on trial really is joopt's commitmenisegypt's comme press. if they are serious about fulfilling the goals of democracy then there's a lot on the line in this trial storm. >> i want to ask, egyptian authorities, saying they didn't have official press passes, al jazeera and the journalists insist they have not done anything wrong, they haven't

been held in anything close to are have humanitarian conditio conditions. mohamed fahmy has a dislocated shoulder and he's been sleeping on a hard floor. >> there's a message that there's a serious crack down on the free press and the opposition, muslim brotherhood and secular opposition. so many people we interviewed for the front line documentary, who were voices of the opposition, they were young muslim brotherhood, separatists, and men like akmed, this is really a crack down not only on the freedom of the press but also on all opposition. and i think there's really a lot at stake in this trial tomorrow and i think that what is on trial is the intention of the established military terms, the

generals but also the judiciary as to whether or not they're going to fulfill the demands of the egyptian people that were really cried out from tahrir square from 2011 to last summer, which was a cry for democracy, a cry for a new constitution and a cry for a new egypt. >> charles senate we'll have to see what this trial are brings. it's good to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> why do some female why are olympics have to sex it up? and our social media producer hermela aregawi. what's trending? >> a single tweet, i'll tell you what it was, coming up. and join the conversation by tweeting to it @ajconsiderthis.

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>> sex sells. the university of california center for feminist research found male athletes get 96% of the air time in nonolympic years. women find sex appeal matters as much as ability. >> so couple of weeks to go, put it in the ice bucket, professional athlete, hair and makeup, model. >> 15 changes. at different locations. and it was just such a fun experience. >> and joining us now from minneapolis, minnesota. great to have you with us. we just saw soccer star and gold medal irs alex morgan doing her sports illustrated swim suit shoot. is this something they have to

do in order to get these sponsorships? >> well, unfortunately yes they do. and for female athletes as you just mentioned in the setup, because even though they represent 40% of all participants in this country and 43% of all scholarship athletes, they only receive 40% of all media coverage across the vast media landscape. unfortunately the best way for them to get noticed and certainly to get corporate sponsorships is to be sexualized and to be portrayed in a way that emphasizes their sexuality and femininity far more than their athletic are ability. >> in order to pay for their training over the next few years. >> yeah, and i think that's again an unfortunate thing but i certainly understand why female athletes do this. they get so little coverage, they get so little notice and

have such a small window of opportunity to even get sort of you know the corporate sponsorship that they want and frankly deserve. but they're smart and they know that this is the way they have to do it in order get any kind of recognition. the concern i have and for those of us who are advocates for women's sports is, it may help an individual female athlete with her brand and i certainly think she should not feel bad for that, but in many ways she's not going to be respected for her athleticism. and how does it carry the ball for respecting them for their enormously gifted athleticism. >> do you see this as a bigger issue of sexism in society or the way that women are covered in sports worse? >> no, it's not as if sexism

only exists in the world of sport. but it's so much more ubiquito ubiquitous. female athletes are covered so little, you know, we really want them to be portrayed in ways that guys their athleticism. so i think the bigger issue really is not much why is it that female athletes feel the need to do this, but why is it that the corporate sponsors say that in order for us to be interested in you, and in order for us to associate you with our brand, we want to sexualize you, rather than talk about your body as an instrument of power, and as an instrument of great on-court competence. >> how is that different here? >> i don't think it's different except in the sense that if you

talk about the world of sports, female athletes and their bodies we hope would be recognized by their on court competence and strength and power and not how pretty they are. and in that sense in general women regardless of what sport they are in but how pretty they are and what they look like. >> we were just showing moments ago, pictures of olympics like lolo jones, she has been attacked for leveraging her looks and others have taken a beating for it, including ashley wagner who squeaked into the olympics in figure skating. you don't condemn them for using all this, there is a big debate on social media on this. hermela aregawi, for that. hermella. >> lolo jones was one of the higher ranked hurried lers in h.

>> how many facebook likes do they have? from that moment on i tried to make social media a priority. >> and doing that has really worked to "i love ya, ohio" to lolo's adv. received this mean spirited tweets. cocosaycoco says, can she get ay uglier, mary ann does this this reinforce how. >> rather than in terms of how

smart they are how talented they are and how dedicated they are. and so i think to be fair to female athletes you're right. i don't condemn them for taking advantage of these opportunities. but on the other hand it is a double edged sword, at the end of the day they are often mocked and not taken seriously as elite gifted and highly talented athletes. >> there's so much focus on the way women look and talking about women wearing makeup, under their goggles because they want to look their best. is this issue of attractiveness for women in sport something that is persuasive and in effect something that pushes, giving women who are attractive a big advantage over woman who are not?

>> certainly especially in corporate sponsorships. we asked women at division 1 universities, if you were portrayed as an on court competent athlete, versus a sexy babe, females said i want to be portrayed in terms of my competence and respect as an athlete. but that's not the way of the world and in order for me to get recognized, i oftentimes have to sexualize myself even if i don't want to. >> it's unfortunate, thank you mary jane for joining us. >> thank you for inviting me. brutally attacked members of the feminist group pussy riots, after they advertised under a

sign that was advertising the olympic games. >> joining us for more on this is al jazeera america contributor dave zyron, host of edge of sports radio and author of game over. good to see you. pussy riot had been arrested and released once. they were getting ready to are perform a song, putin will teach you to love the mother land. a desperation of russian security forces to keep a lid on discontent and keep mouths shut. >> absolutely, those mouths they want shut both inside and outside the olympic village. just to be clear for listeners about a couple of facts about this. cossacks are an extra-judicial military force that have existed

in russia going back to the 15th century. and they've disappeared throughout the 20th century but have since reemerged as kind of like the brutal shock troops of vladimir putin, particularly in the south of russia. so their presence in sochi where security is so tight is a symbol in and of itself. the fact that they're allowed to be in sochi. the fact is that the cossacks had their way with pussy riot, with tear gas and batons, for three minutes. it may sound like a lot, but it is an eternity on the question of olympic security. there are a series of other protests that have attempted to happen in sochi but they get picked up literally within seconds. which i believe people think their phones are listened to, and police let the beating happen before they came to stop

it and when they did they didn't make any arrests. >> in fact they were arrested just for planning this on monday before this whole thing happened and a member of the band's entourage said that the members of the cossacks were shouting to shut their mouths and they were selling themselves to the americans. >> absolutely it is going to keep happening, that's about continuity with these megaevents, particularly olympics but also the world cup. with you see the security stepped up, i think most people understand why the security steps up, post9/11 world, keep it up, the chief in london said, when he was asked about all the surveillance came, it's not like we're going to put them back in the box and send them back, now are we? that is the legacy of the

olympics, the security state that exists. in the hands of vladimir putin it will probably be much more vicious than most. >> in that context are you surprised that there haven't been more protests? the international olympic committee itself helping to stop protest, they threatened, the ukrainian delegation to wear black arm bands for the people who died in kiev. >> gives you an idea how maniacal the ioc is. the only thing you can have on your uniforms are nike swooshes. you can't have a black arm band even though ukrainian team by all reports is just devastated because of their own family and friends who are back in kiev, of course as you well know as you have been covering antonio, hundreds are dead and injured,

all they want is a showing, to understand we're human and we get what's happening and that's too much for the ioc. >> we have seen virtually nothing for the gay, antigay protests in russia. russia suffered a devastating loss, prior to the medal round so the russians are not going to medal in hoik. vladimi-in hockey. vladimir putin really wanted them to medal. >> he wanted them to gold. they were favored to win the gold. i mean there's not a lot of truth to the idea that home ice matters when it comes to the hockey olympics. historically the finns, it was finland who beat russia today, it should not surprise anybody that finland went in and took

down russia. it was such a blow for alexander vechkin, such a star for the washington capitols. but big ups to musolani who is older than i am who scored one of the critical goals for finland in this game. >> dave great to have you with us. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> let's check in to hermella. >> why are you proud to support the nra? tweet us with the hashtag, #ilovenra. >> tom says i am the nra because the five minutes before the police arrive, could be the longest of your life. , another tweet, i am the nra

because those tweet whistles don't cut it. i am the nra, the best thing about america is the second amendment. the people that made i it great. where one person defended themselves in the gun are all more important than those murdered by a gun. antonio a lot of strong opinions on this one. >> certainly a very divisive issue, thanks hermella. still ahead, important drugs for men, could they be doing more harm than good? and america's debt has shot up, not all bad news. plus kim jong-il built his regime on lies. but a new book turns those words against him.

>> could prescription medications that have exploded

in popularity be causing more harm than good? a study in ucla, says that testosterone treatments could double the risk in men over 65 or as young as 40. increasing prescriptions have five fold, sold more than viagra in 2012. so are testosterone supplements safe to use or will the fda have to step in and put new rules on these increasing policings? dr. malcol malmalica. what are the symptoms of low testosterone or low-t as it has been brand he in recent years? >> so men typically say they have decreased libido, problems with low energy, depressed mood.

those tend to be the symptoms that we hear most commonly. >> and what is the difference between natural decline in testosterone, aging or a serious million condition that really needs treatment? >> we know that as men age testosterone levels go down. in fact more than a third of men over the age of 45 have low testosterone. that doesn't mean those levels need to be treated. aging isn't, certainly probably the most common cause but isn't the only cause. you can also have injury to the testicles. you can have radiation that can cause damage toss teste-- to the testes, diabetes and high blood pressure. >> one cardiologist says it was

like smoking one or two packs of cigarettes a day. amazing, increase in heart attacks happen very quickly. >> yes, so within 90 days of use they actually noticed that there was a twofold increase. and i think we have to be carefully not to assume that the testosterone supplements actually cause the heart disease. but there seems to be enough of a link that we need to take a closer look at that. even men under the age of 65, or with no heart disease have double the risk. something we need to stay a look at. >> could it be that people who don't need the supplements are using them? >> yes, we need to be concerned about that. these prescriptions are doled out to people who don't need treatment. i think most experts agree that the people who need to be taking testosterone supplements are men

who have low levels on multiple measurements, symptoms, but if they don't have symptoms they don't need to take supplements and also men who don't have other underlying conditions responsible for their symptoms, things like depression or problems with their thyroid. there is a specific population of men that really should be targeted with these medications but not aguy who thinks he wants a little -- a guy who thinks he wants olittlwants a little boos. >> blood pressure, so does it have benefits that might outweigh the risks? >> well, i think the waters are still pretty murky. there is some suggestion that low testosterone might increase the risk of heart disease. but it play be with its association with diabetes and high blood pressure, not a direct relationship. now we're worried that too much

testosterone might increase the risk of heart disease. so is there some optimal level of testosterone that men should achieve in order to obtain optimal heart health? possibly. we need to corroborate that. >> we need bigger studies that we have, some people are not convinced. a urologist who said, tes testosterone for life, the classic case of treating the risk factor for cardiovascular events. so he's arguing that maybe the study wasn't done properly? >> yeah, are and with a lot of things you're going to start of get -- to kind of get people on both sides depending on their slant. what we're learning is that medications have side effects and i want men to realize out there that testosterone is not

some benign medication that you can take to make yourself feel better. it's been beautifully been marketed to make a man feel more like a man by giving them testosterone. there are people out there who before from it and feel as if it's doing them service. but there are men that shouldn't be taking it and it might be doing more harm than good. and that's what we're trying to find out. it might be a factor for obstructive sleep apnea. again, buyer beware. it's like antibiotics. don't ask your dock for for it unless it's going to be something that really helps you. >> can lower testosterone be part of that growing issue?

>> there was research to suggest that people taking statins could cause lower testosterone levels. i don't think that that is predominantly what men are looking for. i don't think it's the men who are on statins, the men who are saying i have low testosterone because i'm taking lipitor. if you have improved sexual function thinking, i want some of that too many, unfortunately i think it is being marketed to a wider number of people than it really should be. we need to target specific populations with this medication. >> statins used to lower cles cholesterol. using is a tire and the the regime's own words against

itself.

>> today's data dive goes into a bit of accident. overall consumer debt stands at $11.5 trillion. the increase came incredibly fast. americans fell into an additional 2.5% of debt. more than 1 in 4 americans have more credit card debt than they have in a savings account. also, more than half of americans have less in emergency savings than they have in credit

card debt. that is the highest since they started tracking it in 2011. is there an updebt, the total is less than the financial collapse of 2008. if more are in debt, it means they are spending more, there has been a recent jump in the consumer confidence index. household spending, and higher mortgage balances was the largest reason for increased debts, foreclosures are lower than they have since 2005. we may have a long way to go cut every little bit helps. coming up tearing down a regime by its myths.

>> in the spirit of laughing to keep from crying, we bring you a new farcical take on north korea. its government has now been endowmentedominatedfor three gea family, a its laid liter, kim jong-il, the you authorized biography of kim jong-il, "dear reader." sometimes comedy is the best way to describe just how horrible something is, kim jong-il, the father of the current leader, you started, i remember the day when i was born perfectly. >> he has perfect memory of fg.

>> which is totally ridiculous. the way kim jong-il, the father and now his son have run that country. there is a level of being sinister being this myth o geologizing mythologizing. we have seen it in other communist countries in the past where the leaders have been completely blown out of proportion. but this is just absolutely crazy. and north koreans have to show their respect before the thousands of statutes that exist around the country of these guys. >> it's crazy. that's when north korea has been going in the wrong crazy direction. >> and how has that propaganda worked? >> it worked for the father, kim

ilsung. , if you speak to any refugee they have nothing but contempt for kim jong-il. >> let's listen to the an absurdities. kim jong-il could shrink time. >> yes. >> his father didn't need to be the leader and the lawmakers said no no no, he has to be the leader, he doesn't eat, he doesn't sleep, he recreated opera, he hated the mona lisa because it was ambiguous. he shot eight holes in one the first timing he shot golf. that was crazy stuff. >> the absurdity is that this is going on, on earth now, and more people are more interested in

dennis rodman than the 24 million people who are suffering every day. >> under the circumstances, why do you think he's managed to get he and his father and grandfather have managed to get away? >> if you are willing to have 10% of your population starve in order to maintain power, what is going to take you out of that leadership position? they have no are idea of human rights. they have got this great way of manipulating language. for example, they also say, we don't use the word concentration camps, therefore we don't have them here. it is orwellian to a particular degree. >> the concentration camps have been exposed to be absolutely horrific. >> it's been that way for decades. they take whole family to camp.

and it is said you have to exterminate, three generations of your family have to be killed. >> children who are in the concentration camps their whole lives have no exposure. >> if they are caught with food in their pocket they are beaten to death. >> schools across the country are focused on telling the stories of kim jong-il and kim il-sung. >> walking on water, literally. >> walking on leaves. we've got a social media question. let's go to hermella. >> antonio, there's a tumblr started in 2010 started of pictures of the late kim jong-il, simply looking at things. shortly after kim jong-il died, there was another tumblr, of his

son, looking at mundane things, anything that frames our leaders in a negative light, how are they aware of how they're depicted internationally? >> the regime is very aware of how they are viewed internationally. in fact they pliekd my book cover on instagram. they want to present themselves as crazy, if someone is crazy and they have nukes, they might want to set them off. so you don't attack them mill militarily. and nobody is going oattack someone with nukes. >> his father was famous for doing, it said that the regime spent $645 million in the past

year and maybe $300 million was spent on him. >> absolutely. they are known as being huge drug producers, counterfeiters, and kim jong-il was the greatest importer of hennesseys. >> you have a country that has famine and guys spending that kind of money. don't you think it would come back, so tightly in control -- >> he wanted famine, too many people makes leadership difficult. where you are is based on how politically safe you are and he denied food to entire regions to maintain his regime in the '90s. it's unbelievable that this kind of stuff goes on, and it's hopeful that it doesn't go on much longer.

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