the fast food workers amend their supporters labeled their protests boycott poverty by chains like mcdonald'ses. those are the headlines. i am thomas dra deny in new york. the latest headlines. ukraine growing more deadly by the hour. the violence continues in venzue venzuela. online on al jazeera, taliban terror, a reporter allowed to cover extremists from the inside and the risky world of the american fraternities. antonio moro. here is more on what's ahead. towards some sort of unity government. >> venezuela security forces

face-off in the streets. >> genesis carmona seeing here being carried to the hospital was shot in the head. >> the army base. >> suicide bombers have been >> venezuela al security forces faceoff with demonstrators in the streets. >> carmo in. a being carried to a hospital was shot in the head. >> the bandits, the suicide bombs. clashes broke out in independence square early thursday morning not long after a ceasefire had been declared. later volleys of gunfire from security forces brought down many demonstrators. at least 70 protesters were killed and perhaps a thousand wounds. some protesters also fired on police. in what's been the deadliest day by far since anti-government protests began shaking ukraine for its foundation last november. demonstrators also took some 60 >> cent protesters were killed.

a thousand wounded. some property testers fired on police in what's been the deadliest day so far since the protests began shaking ukraine to its foundation last november. demonstrators also took some 60 policemen captain and paraded them through independence scare. unconfirmed records say the captives were taken to a hotel and released. for the latest, let's go kiev and nick schifrin. nick, good to have you with us. what have you seen today? i can still hear the noise where you are now. dig in. you see a lot of people sleeping right now. >> reporter: chaos and carnage has been replaced by an eerie calm. today was a turning points. today was sigh ve so violent the to lick their wounds and dig in a little bit i've few blocks a lot of people bleeding right now. earlier, people feeding each other, a long barbecue line. there was a sense that today was a turning point. today was so violent they have

to now lick their wounds. they have to dig in a little bit. a few blocks from here, we saw thousands of protesters around more police, a bus full of police. those were allowed to leave. it's calm right now behind me, absence that the violence really was beyond the pale this morning. protesters did, as you say, advance toward police this morning. they did so with hunting rifles, a few handguns here and there. the police shot back with snippers and overwhelming force. we saw horrific videos with people armed only with plastic shields trying to get toward police and they were picked off one by one. protests. creating, with the bridge. all of this. it's going to increase because the protesters feel like they have to respond to the police violence with more of their own.

>> after all of that awful carnage and you were talking about the mood of the demonstrators, they had they have become more determined as a result of what happened today? >> not only more determined but more violent. i think they believe that they have to defend themselves. a little more. sharpshooters and snippers, the sdmrus, ours, saying that if the protesters were to shoot back, they would get their freedom. they had get independence. a lot longer. some ways, you may see more martyrs being created here simply because of the pressure from the international community to make sure that the emotional and moral pressure stays on the government here and that the protesters are seen as people with plastic shields or hunting

rifles at most being spotted in the street. there is a core here not radicals but certainly right-wing nationalists who are not afraid to fight back, not sfaed to shoot back. could, to simply help in any way that they can. and you still see that, so there is still a sense of what they call a revolution, what began as a peaceful protest now becoming so much bigger than that. >> and talking about help, there are reports that demonstrators from western ukraine, closer to europe have been coming in to kiev to bolster the protesters. have you seen signs of that? >> absolutely. look, ukraine is a bridge. this is why we care about this country rick it's a bridge between the west and the east, if you look at the map to the east and the north, with he see moscow and to to the west we see europe. and western ukraine is much more euro centric, much more open to the e.e.u. than is eastern

ukraine, we have seen reports of government officials handing over the keys to buildings, police actually not so much surrendering to protest, but joining them and actually holding their own marches in defines of what thdefiance of wt has done here in key. we have seen people coming from western ukraine coming to kiev. we saw protesters loot an arms storage. so some of those arms there are some suggestion have filled in to kiev this evening. and so there is a sense that you have a west versus east and that does compliment things and increase the notion that this is heading towards a civil war, that's not something that people use lightly here but it's a term that the foreign former minister used the just the other day suggesting that the bridges that existed between these two sides have really been exploded in the last 24 hours by the amount of violence. >> and, again, because ukraine is a bridge to europe from russia, that's also why the

russians care so much about it and one of the big problems they are facing there. al jazerra america correspondence nick ship within, good to have you on the show, thank you. for more in the diplomatic efforts am joined from kiev by skype bile from the washington post. good to have you with us . we have been talking about the chaos and tragedy in the streets of kiev today. i know you were out there and what did you see? >> well, people are very shocked by the very large death toll. hundreds of wounded. any see any sign of panic. you know, there was no sign of debilitating fear. and the protesters still have most of the independence square. they were breaking up rocks to use to throw at the police. you know,

preparing food in the food kitchens tending to the wounded and taking care of the bodies of the dead and life went on in that protest camp. >> diplomats from poland, france, germany met with the president for four hours on thursday, did anything come out of the meetings? >> well airing plan came out of the meetings when they then took to the opposition leaders, they didn't say what the plan was, but word finally leaked out from warsaw that yanukovych said he's open to early elections, both parliament and the presidency. the foreign ministers met with the opposition leaders who were skeptical for understandable reasons and then went back to the presidential offices and met again with yanukovych. we are waiting to hear what the word is from that. i don't think anybody is thinking that this thing is solved yet. but it's a glimmer i've hope. after what had been ukraine's darkest day since this began. >> now, we have heard about the pressure being applied by the

u.s. and by the european union, especially on some major government officials. how is that being received and how effective do you think that will be? >> well, in one sense, sanctions are, you know, symbolic thing and they certainly give a thrill to the crowd who are opposed to yanukovych and his circle. on another level, refusing visas to people in the elite to go to western countries, does have some sting to it, because many, many of them have apartments in new york or paris or london and their children go to college and you know, oxford or harvard or somewhere like that. and but the bigger impact is the message it sends to other members of the elite, who perhaps also enjoy traveling in the west and they are thinking to themselves, according to the tactic involved here, you know,

do i want to get tarred with the same brush here. i think sanctions are an attempt to drive a little bit of a wedge between the inner most circle and the next ring of the elite. >> but some have raised the issue that it might push them further toward russia. and vladimir putin has made no bones about the fact that he thinks one of the biggest tragedies is the soviet union broken and ukraine has to be under russian influence. where is russia today on all this, do you know? >> well, we have had a hint of that. putin talked with david cameron of britain and with angela merkel the chancellor of germany and apparently they talked about the need for specifically germany, russia, and the united states to maybe work together to try to find a resolution to the ukrainian crisis. now, people say things, particularly in this part of the world and the proof is in the pudding.

but putin may have reached the point where, which i know many people in russia have already, of thinking that yanukovych has taken hit best shot at the opposition, if i can put it that way, it's a bad metaphor, and he hasn't done. he's demonstrated his weakness and putin may be think being, you know, he has to find ideal that he can cut that's in russia's best now. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks very much >> he has demonstrated his weakness and putin may be thinking he has to find a deal he can cut in russia's best interest now. >> moscow correspondent for the washington post, good to have you on the show. thang for joining us. >> thanks very. >> will vladimir putin intervene? will they fall into a civil war? now joined from montreal party member. u crepeian and canadians.

financial times the author of sale of the sent re, the inside story of the second russian revolution. good to have you with us. anything like what we have seen. i can't claim to have that crystal ball. much more tragic. it's more of a situation that i had ever imagined. ukraine had imagined. it's very where lots of things hadn hadn't worked. changing. the soviet union had collapsed. ukraine separated from russia without violence.

bloody eruptioin is really the u.s. ambassador said this is the worst day in ukrainian history. i think that's going a little bit far because ukraine has had a lot of bloody days in its history. >> certainly since world war ii. demonstrators but really the broad majority of the ukrainian people who do support them are not at all cowed by the pressure by the killings from the regime. quite the contemporary, what we hav con -- contrary, andthis has bee november, when these protests began, every time the regime tries to be more repressive, first it was beating people, then it was a serious of laws to roll back ukrainian civil society and democratic freedoms and then it was actual shootings. every time that has happened, what you have actually seen is an even greater surge of public

support for the protests. that says something to me about how strong and how deep the popular support is. >> do you think the protesters can win their fight with president yanukovych? there was a much more peaceful revolution 10 years ago, but >> you have seen a greater support than protest. >> said something to me about how strong and how deep the popular support is. do you think the protesters can win their fight with president yanokovych? there was a more peaceful revolution 10 years ago. could this tear the country apart? we know western europe is closer physically to europe and it's much more pro-western while eastern ukraine is closer and more sympathetic to russia. >> you know, actually, i think that those fears have a genuine civil war in ukraine in its place. so far, we haven't seen ukrainian citizens fighting

ukrainian citizens. what we have seen is a government and a government which right now is struggling to retain the support of some of the people to quash it. >> the outside of the government. actually fighting demonstrators. i think what we are seeing and this is something that will alluded to is a not very successful attempt at imposing authoritarianism. if you will, yanokovych. actually not succeeding. that simooms to me -- speaks to me both of the determination of

the protesters of the depth of their support and yanokovych's weakness. he can't get it out there to clear the square and he has been treeing. question right now. and you know, yanukovych has been acting so far at the behest of the russians. the reason that we have seen this greater repression is because the russians believed it was going to be possible for yanukovych to clear the square and they wanted that to happen. as part of this big $15 billion aid package which yanukovych was promised in lou -- to dissuade him from signing the association agreement with europe. the big question now is how far russia is willing to back yanukovych in repressing the ukrainians. and i don't know the answer to that. if russia were to choose to

support yanukovych, and we did see in 2008, the russians actually invade georgia, then i do think that you would have a true war scenario in europe. >> talking about -- >> something we haven't seen since ewing slough i can't. >> talking about that association with europe that was rejected . you wrote it was hard for the velvet conclusion to the protests. where the protesters would be the victors and zero knewed ties with the european union. >> yeah, well, look, i think even the best case scenario will be messy. that's what we saw after the orange revolution in ukraine. ukraine is a very young democracy and it's a country that has very weak institutions of democrat immaterial governance. what we have seen is the ukrainian people want it.

but it's more than people will to fight for that in the streets, important though that is. it's lots of complicated and difficult to build social institutions and civic inning students, ukraine doesn't have that. even if the democrats were to win i think you would see them having a hard time governor. that doesn't mean that that is not the desirable outcome. that is absolutely the best possible outcome. >> a very dark day. >> but it won't be smooth. >> it certainly is a dark day in ukraine. krista freeland, thank you very much for joining us tonight. coming up, as venezuelan protests intensify one of the top opposition leaders will join us with the latest. dealing with rogue have regimes that duk have dub justice diplomacy with dictateers. >> a major u.s. plan to serve bullets a citizens has been scraped. the details just ahead. and while you are watching, let us know what you think on twitter at ajconsiderthis or on our facebook and google plus pages.

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the country's president ma rude ma rude owe has blamed him for inciting protests but he still faces charges that could send him to prison for 10 years. we are joined via skype by one of the main opposition leader and was with leopoldo lopez when he turned himself in to police, it's great to have you with us, you went to the military prison where leopoldo lopez was being held on thursday, what did you learn there? >> actually, we arrived with a group of the members of the parliament and leopoldo's wife who had not seen him since he was taken by the military two days ago. they didn't let us pass, but we learned what had happened with the trial and the abuse that it referenc an illegal detained innocent manage judged at a military

jail and this is unprecedented and proves that totalitarian dimension of this regime. >> a government representative has apparently moved to have your congressional immunity removed so that you could be arrested and reports that the government wants to arrest the man that came within a personal points of winning the election against ma dura last year. do you believe the government will try to put all the main opposition leaders behind bars? >> it is evident that this regime fears that specific movement that is coming from the grassroots and expressing its desire for democracy and freedom in this way and that it grows day after day . what they don't know is that there are millions of leaders right now in the streets if they take us away, some others will

come and join, because they receivize it's not only because of the economic disaster and social crisis in the end it's about human dignity and freedom and the possibility that our children and our kids that are being killed at this time have a future in our country . >> i know the opposition is fed up with one of the worst murder rates in the world, rampant kidnappings what's believed to be the world's highest inflation, there are shortages of basic goods and even electricity in a country that's believed to have the world's largest oil reserves ma rude owe accuses the opposition of wanting to stage a coup, what do you hope the demonstrations will lead to ? >> we have seen a long history in the world when you face a dictatorship, because how do you call all government a regime that persecutes, has repression, that tortures young students

that have been detained and censorshipcensorships how is the called. we are facing a regime that has decided to radicalize and depot presence in these last house you mentioned what happened last night. he. >> you have mentioned what happened last night. it's undesdescribable. the degree of fear and brutality we saw not only in caracus as you mentioned. again, they are protected and to put those before the national guard fired into the protesters and followed them in private homes where they were. they took them away. they hid them, and now we have the protesters throughout the country. at this point, what we want and what we will move along,

specific movement, every day more organized thatpressions the degree of desire and passion for freedom and democracy and that make these listen and understand what our country desires. >> the violence we have seen through the internet is frightening. it's not just in caracus. it's happening throughout the country. a beauty queen was shot to death during a peaceful demonstration in valencia. how much do you know is going on? >> we have received a lot of information. people called the social media, videos simply are hard pressing when you hear young kids saying they are killing us because we are fighting for our future. when you hear their mothers say, now, we will go out and keep on fighting along my son and this

is the degree of consciousness that makes me be absolutely convinced that they will not the to suppress. the world will understand how it is human rights are being violated every day, every hour throughout the country and that you help us make the world know how violent this is getting and accelerating day after day. >> it's been reported that the journalists have had their things stake a within, and threaten today take cnn spanish off the air. with so little of this information getting out. i know you are planning massive demonstration on his saturday, what are you hoping to accomplish?

>> here journalists do not risk themselves. and sometimes not even giving us a chance to speak through their media. but citizens are aware that this movement is growing day after day. and even though the government with this violence wants people to inhibit from participating they certainly underestimate the degree of compassion and consciousness that is being proven and shown first by the student movements that started this process, but that has been supported by union leaders it, grassroots organizations and certainly common citizens that understand the amount and degree of responsibility that is on our shoulders a generation. >> we will stay on top of this story and we thank you for taking the time. and what i know is an incredibly business and i difficult time. congresswoman, thank you for joining us.

>> thank you very much. switching topics now to the perils and problems that come with reaching out diplomatically to engage the world's rogue states. it's a tactic my next guest calls dancing with the devil. one that critics might say was on display in vienna on thursday where iran and world powers including the u.s. announced that they had reached an agreement on a timetable for negotiation on his iran's nuclear program. for more i am joined here in new york by michael rube run ruben, a resident schoo scholar and the r of the dancing with the devil the perils of engaging rogue dancing with the devil, michael, good to have you with us? >> thank you >> all smiles in vienna announcing this timetable. is there a reason to smile about this. a deal talked about having a deal and oftentimes with the history of negotiations with iran, it's two steps forward, two steps back. i want to play something

president obama said in his inaugural address. >> to those who claim power through corruption and deshe'd and the silencing of dissent know you are on the wrong side of history. we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fists. >> you probably agree the feeling behind that statement is fine. does it have to do with the practicality? >> i do. >> it isn't about how to be conducted. after years president obama in the process rather than the end. >> in this case i know it when i see it. anthony lake, national security advisor to president clinton

wrote some details. they were all ruled. what do you see as the biggest stakes right now? >> iran, the diplomats and the ref russary guard corpse but they included pakistan in that category for the role of either side. they have been doing all sorts of things? >> talking about ukraine. those two countries. the whole point of a rogue state doesn't simply abide by the normal rules of diplomaciation. we haven't seen that to be the case.

and is there a difference between -- like taliban or like hezbollah? >> they have many sim layer at this. my first experience was before he ran the country and i would consider that rogue and when you look at their ab sense, they don't abide by the normal rules. >> two rogue states. we have been dealing with decades with little success. you in the book nicholas burns about the story the senate foreign relations committee. if we try to. let let's say when there have be un

and who led the dialogue. we have the issue about whether our opponent is there or not. when the americans stit down, we can't project our own value system. are the ranians trying to run down the crock? >> the big question right now. >> that's what scares me is when you look at the statements of rannian negotiators, they hold up north korea as the model to emulate, not condemn. >> you sound like teddy roosevelt, speak softly and carry a big stick. is that one of the issues you think they might have to use, some sort of a billed-up in order to get things achieved? >> i don't want you to know but let's look at regan and gorbachev. dproms was critical. >> came after beijing and inside europe. you have to use the elements of national power together, diplomatic and military. >> that's what works. >> is there a weariness with

war? >> that's the ultimately the problem we have. it's not a horrible strategy. dialogue. >> the u.s. is not with peace but hayeseps the cop conflict. >> that's pretty direct, obama what he did in syria. >> if you look at the book, the book is pretty critical. it's really but beep's look at the history of the last half century of the problem with adversarie adversaries. >> again, we have to carry the big stick? >> ultimately, we have to carry the big stick if we don't want to use it. i would argue for the middle east, wars are for the caused by oil and water. they are caused when one side

says it's important. >> doesn't lead to a reactive conflict frfrn something mute happen, though, if they don't behave. dancing with the devil, the perils of engaging rogue reason e-mails. thank you. >> thank you, antonio >> time to see what's trending on the website. let's check back in with hermella. >> the u.s. department of homeland security has back tracked on a recent proposal. last week, the agency want add private company to complete a licensed database of license pate information. information set up on things like toll booths, police cars and traffic lights and the number of the date, the time, the location of the vehicle when the picture was taken. according to the proceposal immigrations plan to use the data to pursue criminal immigrants. advocates say it's an over reach. an attorney with the aclu says the government has backtracked,

but she says it is not sprained why the proposal was put forward and why it has been withdrawn. publically dropping plans means they will do it secretly while layer is a aplauds the move and says sanity prevails and from the u.s. government no less. read more at the website, america.aljazeera.com. antonio back to you. >> straight ahead, anaj exclusive: extremism up close. incredible access to the taliban. examining injuries at the olympics. one sport you would never expect to be dangerous. later on, fraternities run amok inside the fierce tug of war for control of campus life across the country. while you were asleep news was happening. >> here are the stories we're following. >> find out what happened and what to expect. >> international outrage. >> a day of political posturing. >> every morning from 5 to 9 am al jazeera america brings you

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an al jazerra exclusive that takes us inside the taliban to give us a glimpse of what the war in afghanistan looks like from the taliban's point of view. even if the u.s. gets the afghan government to agree to a security agreement that would leave some u.s. forces in

afghanistan, the first line of resistence to the taliban will be the u.s.-trained afghan national army. al jazerra's fault line shows a journalist following taliban fighters as they attack an afghan national army base. >> i am acutely aware that i wouldn't have been allowed here to film them unless they wanted the world to see what they showed me. >> the fact that the used the media to establish their point of view and get their kaza cross, they should. we certainly do. >> it's an unusual and rare insight in to the other side and joining us now to discuss this is michael owe happen lan director of foreign policy research at the brookings institution, he is also the coauthor of the book touching it out in afghanistan, he joins us from our washington, d.c. studio. michael great to have you with us. if u.s. troops withdraw from afghanistan altogether, is the afghan national army ready? this film shows the taliban seemingly operating freely and

with virtual impunity about an hour from kabul. >> great questions. first of all i would say that any time one unit is attacking another in warfare, and the one unit gets to choose the time and place of the ambush, it's no out. in other words, the fact that the taliban was able to plan this particular raid does not surprise me. the more important question would be, first of all, how well did the afghan army respond. and secondly are they preventing large scan sen tryingses from taliban from forming in the immediate environments, because they can prevent that with proper patrolling and use of intelligence networks among the local population, so from what i have seen in the film i found it fascinate in this sense that it gave more of a direct view of the way this whole war has been going on and i think a lot of people will be curious, they have been reading about the war, they have been seeing statistic on his the war for a decade and very much appreciate a bit of a

feel for what it's like visually and in real time. but it did not strike me it did not show them against a hapless police. >> this group did not seem terribly strong but were seemingly operating freely and walking freely down the streets and fairly close to the capital which did surprise me. let's take a look at some of the film that focuses on that attack. >> the plan is they told me is to capture an afghan national army base. the only thing i know is that they say they are going to fight until they capture the base. they are not going withdraw. that told me exactly when -- they haven't told me exactly when they are going to attack, just said it will happen around sunrise. >> it didn't seem as you said like much more than a nuisance attack, but how well armed are the taliban? >> what i am worry about with the taliban, they are armed in

terms of ak47s and rocket propelled grenades and the roadside bombs those are their main weapons of choice, the problem is that they seem to have a limitless supply of fighters. it's not a popular movement among the general population, that's very important to drive home, but there are certain tribes and certain groups and certain headquarters over the border in pakistan which have proven resilient, which have proven willing to keep supporting the taliban and so you have essential a gorilla movement that is at a level of stays us and the government cannot really beat it down and we haven't been able to beat it down . it's not winning the ward, the cities are mostly in government hands and transportation too. some of the areas around kabul are contested and may increase as the nato forces dre down. my worry is not so much about momentum or pop layer if i or big weapons just that it's managed to stay resilient throughout the last decade of conflict. that means i think they will be around a while.

i don't expect them to win, i don't expect them to defeat the afghan army or police but they will try for create crisis of con confidence, do spectacular attacks and try to erode the afghan will in this crucial year of transition. >> this group said this they are not aided by the pakistanis, but certainly they are not as close to pakistan as other groups are which may be getting aid from them. let's look at more of this attack, i think the taliban wanted the correspondent to go with them in order to show their power which may been a little exaggerated . >> and then suddenly the fighting begins . the taliban's ready machine gun is

ready. >> and the a.n.a. fight back. >> the taliban soldiers that i am together with have their last two men, it looks like they are not as positive as they were before they started attacking the base. and for these fighters, it looks like the situation might be about to get worse . >> they certainly lost this en counter and at times seemed hapless but certainly had some fire power to go after them. you have written that they we sd not be that pessimistic about the future in afte afghanistan.

the reality is the taliban does not have as many fighters as they when br* when th did when the soviets withdrew. >> we called them freedom fighters and appreciated what they were doing, they weren't necessarily all fighting for a seventh century with supression of women's rights with and a throw back to centuries ago of, you know, of lack of education and lack of rights for nonbelievers. he were, in that sense in, at that case against the soviets, just trying to drive an occupier out of their country. and a lot of the people in the government now were leading the military, were freedom fighters. and so you are right, at that time it was a quarter million strong and from all different major tribal groupings, today the taliban is from certainly parts of the community and probably includes 20, 30, 40,000 fighters. that's more than i wish they had. and, again, they have been resilient. and they have been able to keep it going. and it's true they get a lot of their support from inside of

afghanistan, although they have important sanctuaries for command and control over the border, that's been a big part of the problem. it's not a trivial enemy, i acknowledge that. but i think -- >> do you think the number will grow in americans leave? >> i think the afghan army and police will be really tested. and i think if we left altogether they would face a very difficult year or two a higher risk of mission fair all and of defeat than i would want. i'm not sure the taliban will grow in size quickly, what you could see is eye cries i of confidence in the afghanistan people trying to build a new nation and moving back home if they had gone in exile or trying to stay put, live in the cities and send their kids to school and believe in the new way of life and government and all of the sudden they'll have doubts if this prove, if the taliban scores some spectacular victories if made owe withdraws altogether. it's the presidential race goes badly. we have to be attentive to those things. if that begins that could lead to a general unraveling of the

general support for the government, the military, the army, that's how i think things could get worse. not by the taliban radically growing in size, i don't think they have the support to grow quickly in size. >> a brief final question, the correspondent is an afghan, he was allowed in by the taliban, he had been kidnapped once by them. what do you make of the fact that they allowed him to do what he did? >> i think that in many ways because this attack was relatively small scale and localized and very typical of the kind of thing we are seeing weekly if not daily in afghanistan, i view it as a microcosm of the whole war and not a big battle or a case where the journalist had to really worry, was he aiding and abetting the enemy. and the enemy didn't have to worry that he might give up information that was going to crucially set them back. it was such a limited engagement, that it really was just sort i've tiny window in to the nature of combat in afghanistan and therefore i personally am not surprised that they let him do it and i have no

major criticism of his doing so. i am not sure an american could have or should have done that. i think it probably did provide a useful window for a lot of people in to the conflict. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. next month fault lines will air more of this. on march 21st and 28th. straight ahead, curling may be an olympic punch line for late night talk shows, but could it also be very dangerous? dive. and the deadly side of greek life inside fraternitie fraternities popularity and the heinous act committed on campus. al jazeera america. we open up your world. >> here on america tonight, an opportunity for all of america to be heard. >> our shows explore the issues that shape our lives. >> new questions are raised about the american intervention. >> from unexpected viewpoints to live changing innovations,

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more injuries in the last winter olympics than speed skating, freestyle skiing, moguls, nordic combined, biathlon and luge. that's right, hurling down a track at more than 80 miles an hour was safer than sweeping a broom over ice for a minute at a time. this is all according to a study of injuries at the last winter olympics in 2010. from the british journal of sports medicine. speed skaters may look more athletic and daring than durings but less prone to injury. same for lugers and freestyle skiers. surprisingly, snowboard cross had the highest rate of injuries in any events. 35%. that i that is nearly double the next sport in terms of dangerous. bob let were most hurt in two areas, of the 287 injuries, the highest number 3 39 knee injuries. head followed close by by wounds, face, neck up ander back. same argue that's the dang their

makes the games all the more exciting. coming up the dark power of practice fern afraternities arey more powerful than the colleges that house them? so many money stories sound complicated. but don't worry. i'm here to take the fear out of finance. every night on my show i break down the confusing financial speak and make it real.

fraternities are nearly sensual to american college life as home coming and cramming for tests. but fraternities have become fatal. bloomberg news says they are linked to 60 deaths since 2005. one student died after a hazing ritual went bad, cases involving death, rape, and disfigurement are lead to go a massive power struggle around the country. for more, let's bring in katlyn flanagan a contributor editor at the atlantic she conducted a yearlong investigation entitled the dark power of fraternities. you report one in eight american students at four year schools live in a greek house and the value is more than $3 billion. now, you say they have become actually more powerful than the

schools that host them. how so? >> well, you know, oftentimes we think that the fraternities answer to the colleges and that they are kind of a division of the college because there is an offense of greek life within most justs, but they are not. they are entirely separate and universities and colleges depend on them for a tremendous amount of the funds raising and this huge amount of student house that go colleges don't have to pay for, they don't have to maintain, don't have to insure and sometimes parents say, why don't they just close down a bad frat if it's, you know, causing a lot of trouble. and the answer is that frat has a lot of power within the structure of the school. >> and as we mentioned frats have been linked to more than 60 deaths since 2005. along with a fastly bigger number of injure injuries and sexual assaults. >> that's a good question, nobody really nose fits worse or not. what we know is that students more and more and their parents more and more are changing and they are saying, we don't think

that the fraternity has right do this it. we are not going to suffer in silence, we are not going to keep the secrets that we are supposed to keep and parents no longer think, if i send my kid way to school and something happens to him, i'll just stay quiet. people are bringing these cases forward in civil litigation and we are learning a lot about what goes on behind closed doors of these from turns. >> is part of the problem we don't know if it's worse is because frat brothers cover up many of the issues that arise because of peer pressure? >> you know, a lot -- if the case that you mentioned of that student from new york, while he was dieing his fraternity brothers were googling head injuries being instead of calling 911 and getting an ambulance they were trying to see if he had a head injury. there is a real culture of try to fix it, keep it behind closed doors, don't reveal that you were involved in hazing and that culture can lead to terrible cases read about. >> you do point out the good work fraternities do as you just did a moment ago, talking about

the fund raids, they raised millions of dollars in charity, they donate millions of hours of community service every year and you also talk about how their alumni include u.s. presidents, senators, congressmen, a whole bunch of fortunate 500 ceos, so their contribution to his american life is unquestionable. >> when fraternity life is done right, it gives tremendous . >> when frat he werety levife i done right, it gives tremendous benefit. they produce sterling men in those areas. the problem is, frat he wereties, a way to think of them is a badly managed franchise. if you go to macdonald's in cleveland, it looks like the big mac in l.a. sigma kye one campus can be fant after theib and another, if you will of criminal behavior. there is no way of knowing campus to campus how they are responding to the law and risk management policies. >> you mentioned a leading that you are telling you fraternities

are quote the largest industry in this country directly involved in the provision of alcohol to under age people and that that creates all sorts of liability that can stretch to the parents of kid involved. >> well, this is one reason i would love for parents who have sons joining fraternities to read it in the atlantic. sometimes they will think something will go wrong in the fraternity but he will have insurance because every frat earthenty member has to pay dues for insurance policies. the minute he does something wrong, he is usually cut off from the insurance. he is usually thrown out from the frat he werety and huge settlement are paid out of the parents' homeowner's insurance. if he needs a lawyer, no one will get you a lawyer for civil defense. the parents will have to pay for him to get a lawyer. there is a lot that falls on the parents' shoulders. >> as you say, reb he can y'all has been a part of fraternities since they began. they were in no way trying to minimize what had happened that this was about adults forgetting

what happened. >> i think you had two issues here, helicopter parents involved with their parents. >> that's why they are finding out more of what's going on fraternities. what we are talking about here, there are some rough knocks of growing up, but of sexual assault, vie will not hazing, psychological trauma and if these things happened in any other college group, if all of the french club members were having that's problems, the current tree would figure out what's going on at the french club for whatever reason, fraternities get a pass in an awful lot of dangerous things that are happening, otherwise healthy young kids beloved by their parents, sent off to college and sometimes coming home terribly brutalized. >> an article in "the atlantic," "the dark power of fraternities. great to have you on the show.

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