foreign funding. the rank and fired why the u.s. army is getting rid of dozens of soldiers. countlessva venzuelans. imagine taking the dog for a walk and coming home with $10 million in treasurer. hello, i am antonio morrow. welcome to "consider this" here is more on what's ahead.

do you personally dislikes homosexuals. of course they are disgusting. he signed law criminal eyestion hom 0 sexuality. >> i have vetoed the bill moments ago. >> arizona's governor rejects the bill that would have gays. >> there is proof of what three years of civil war has done to a people. this photo speaks volumes. >> they are all waiting to get food from the u.n. which started delivering food and medicine last month the soldiers. >> i joined the marines to serve as an honorable man. ists thrown away. >> the greatest buried treasurer located. $10 million worth of gold coin. >> at the end of the rainbow, you will find a pot of gold. we begin with gay rights, as arizona's governor vetoed an anti-gay law.

american aid to countries that consider homosexuality illegal take the spotlight. the u.s. sends uganda a half billion dollars in aid every year but a new law in the african country makes imprisonment. >> has pushed nor wafrments, the netherlands and denmark to reduce the amount of aid they will give the ugandan president. he says western lifestyles have already caused his conservative country problems and that he doesn't want any interference. >> to be a homosexual, it's some genetic but mainly external factors. like influence. we don't want anybody to interfere in our internal affairs. finished. >> the u.s. officials have not finished a review of relations with uganda since the law passed.

secretary of state john kerry out. >> we will stand up for people's rights anywhere in the world because that's who we are in the united states of america. i think this law in uganda, the notion that somebody for being gay would be thrown into jail for 14 years or otherwise punished in other ways is disgraceful. it's contrary to fundamental basic human rights. it's also contrary to science. it's contrary to fact. kerry said wednesday he was surprised to learn that 80 countries currently have laws that outlaw homosexuality. but should the u.s. suspend aid to a country because of that? for more, i am joined from washington, d.c. by dr. steven rado look at, the chief economist for usaid, the u.s. agency for international development, also a former senior of development to secretary of state hillary clinton and is the treasury for africa, the middle east and asia. he is now a professor in the

practice of development at georgetown university. great to have you on the show. thanks for having us. this has to be a tough call for the obama administration. on the one hand, john kerry talking about human rights. on the other hand, there is good cooperation between the u.s. and uganda on aids, other health issues and counter terrorism efforts, specifically in somalia. uganda has 6,000 troops fighting al shabaab. so with can he just say, hey, we can't accept this law that you have passed against gay rights and pull aid or at least some of the aid we give uganda? >> we could pull some of it. we can't pull all of it. and part of the reason is for what you just said. we have multiple objectives here some of them short-term. some of them long-term, and the issues around gay rights are important. vice president biden has spoken out about this. secretary kerry has spoken out about this. we also have other objectives we have to keep in mind. so, i think that we can and i

wouldn't be provides if we pull some aid but i would be surprised if we pulled a large share of it. a large portion is for hiv aids and specifically for people who are on anti-retrovirals, that would be a death sentence for those people. so we have some constraints as to what we can do without harming people we are trying to assist. >> there is a lot of money going in to a not very wealthy country. it helps the government to have that money going in. so, how do you figure out what you do when the government passes a law that is so did you say criminalnagory. >> we have to focus on the long-term and engage countries on a number of issues among human rights violationsing, around democracy. some is long-term, generational change within countries for

example, we work with south korea for a long time before they were a democracy and over time, they become not only a thriving democracy but a stron ally. same for indonesia, we supported them before they were democracy. until different societies, these things take time. we can't just pull and go back important. >> i suspect we will reduce some aid about half a billion dollars in foreign assistance. some will be impossible to pull back. other things that are supporting agriculture, supporting trade, supporting programs. >> on that front, other countries in the region, most of the countries in the region have similar laws. nigeria gets

699 million, it tansania, kenya, 464, 463, of course, to uganda as we have said. so where in the past have we done this? have we cut? suspended aid reasons? >> we have suspended aid in many countries for different types of violations. more often than not, the military violations, military abuse, shooting protesters. sometimes for corruption a years ago. some for corruption. not as often on these kind of human rights violations and so what i suspect we will do is some of the aid but not all of it. mention other countries in the region have similar laws. a big distinction here i think is between the enactment of the law and whether or not the law is actually forced. and it may be the way it has played out, they put some pressure on the enactment of the

law but if it's not enforced, if uganda does not really arrest and prosecute anyone, we may be able to fully engage. if in such time they actually do again to arrest people, a lot of the neighbors have these laws. not many actually enforce them. >> a pew poll found 96% of ugandans don't think accepted? >> i don't know what that number would have been in the united states had we done that 40 or 50 years ago but it would be a hi h percentage of people who would have agreed to that. societies change our views and changing on this. we understand it's not surprising other countries have these percentages. at the same time, vice president biden and secretary kerry have

spoken out loudly. so, i do think because of that, there will be some kind of response. it will not be the full suspension of aid but i believe it will be a partial suspension of some of the smaller amounts of aid coupled with strongly ramping up diplomatic efforts, engaging uganda, making public statements for international fora and finding ways to put pressure on the ugandans about this issue while bringing it forward over time and still continuing to engage with them for the other many reasons. >> many different levels. thank you for your time. the pentagon, where the army has disequallqualified andunprecede number. the sdmaldz stem from a reviewed ordered by chuck hagel who wanted soldiers working in sensitive positions screened for prior criminal or unethical behavior. the

mass expulsion comes as lawmakers are trying to revive debate on a military sex assault bill. jessica ken jon testified the military system for dealing with assault cases is so inadequate, she had nowhere to turn when she was raped. >> i had to google what to do when it happened to me. >> we are joined from philadelphia by jessica kenyon t jessica served as appear army private first class and is the founder of benefitting veterans.org, two on line support networks. we are joined by colleen bushnell, a retired air force sergeant and sexual assault survivor who works paz a reform advocate. it is good to have you on the show. jessica, it must have been tough hill. it's terrible to think you were alone and you had to turn to the

internet to figure out what to do after you were assaulted. you had no way of going to your commander? >> thank you for having me. yeah, at the time, this was in training and during training, you are under the very strict hold of your commander. and this commander, every friday, would make open statements of sexist remarks and homophobic remarks to his unit. so to trust him with anything, let alone my wellbing was out of the question. the right thing. always pressure from swyer to make the whole, you know, things they don't want to touch to away. >> absolutely. the pushing in keeping everything under wraps and making things just appear as recordkeeping.

>> clea colleen, you have been advocating for change. is this the first step? >> the national defense authorization act of 2013 was packed full of new solutions. however, we are asking for not include in the provisions of the military justice improvement act sponsored by senator jimm jillibra. interest. >> the question is the pentagon says it can take care of the military sexual assault problem by itself, that it doesn't need legislation. colleen? >> survivors are reporting, 2 out of tep. the other

8 are afraid to come forward. in the meantime, we need reform as we speak. >> jessica, what do you think about that? >> and mccaskal, they are senators. are you frustrated they can't get together on this and figure out a way to deal with this problem? because the numbers in the increased sects annual assault is tremendous. >> the biggest problem, every step of the way, it seems to threaten quote, unquote the integrity of the command or command readiness, et cetera, et cetera. excuses they come up with. the point is every time it's implemented, it betters the command and it keeps the integrity lose. >> colleen. i'm sorry. go ahead, jessica.

>> i was just saying, sorry. i was going to speak on the fact that jillibrand and mccaskill capital agree on the bill. my biggest thing is they are both -- they both have their positive note. i would say i would settle for mccaskill but i am pushing for jillibrand. >> you would like it to be outside of the shape of command, that commanders would not be involved in making a decision about what happened in a sexual assault case? >> absolutely. it's not even -- >> i'm sorry. >> go ahead, jessica. >> it absolutely needs to be removed. i would say all felony level cases as well in addition to the sexual assault. >> colleen, do you agree. >> i agree wholeheartedly. as a matter of fact, i personally believe the military.

i believe we don't have good data right now. the chain of command, keeping it in the military will get better numbers. my hunch is that something more exhaustive not backed by depressed woman is what's going culture. >> it's interesting that secretary hagel conducted this review. aside from the army, it seems few had problems. the navy dropped 3 out of -- more than 5100 recruiters and only two out of almost 5,000 counselors and the air force and the marine corp reported that none of their service members had been disqualified. colleen? >> this is just evidence. the firing of the 588 persons in -- of trust today and what you just mentioned are evidence as to why we need real reform, why we cannot leave it in the

chain of command. the uniform code of military justice was written based upon british law. even the british, the canadians, australians have all implemented this approach to handling felonyy crimes and it works. so, i think this is going to happen, to be honest. but i can, you know, assure you that we are going to fight until it does happen because it's the right thing to do. >> it is a big problem, even the demand for mental health sexual abuses is out stripping haven veterans administration. jessica, colleen, good to have you with us. >> the ukrainian crisis continues to grow. now, there is a chance from russia. continuing to fill the streets with rage over the government. well after the break get the government's side of the story from a prominent supporter. our associate professor is tracking the top stories on the web.

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>> people wondering what putin will do. he ordered up a military exercise for 150,000 troops on ukraine's border. meanwhile, fist fights broke out

between pro-and anti-demonstrators in crimea that has an ethnic russian majority and was part of russia until 1954. for more, i am joined here by christopher dickey, editor for the "daily beast" who has written extensively on recent events in u vein. great to have you on th shoshow -- in ukraine. >> thank you for having me. >> the. >> i think that's very indicative in the judgments that it makes. >> that doesn't seem t on the border with troops.

putin is making a powerplay here he is saying we have got the power. we have got the military here and this is a real challenge to not om to u crepe. i think we have to start to see it as a cha edge to the west would what americans do if we saw russian troops were rolling into the crimea? i don't know. >> does he have the power? he has the troops there. does he have the power to go in and occupy ukraine? >> not okay pay crain. may well have the power fogo in and take crimea into russia, as you pointed out was where it was. >> all of that would make it easier.

but the call would go up. we cannot let the territorial integrity of ukraine be compromised like this. and then what would we do? i really think that this is a quand re. i think putin knows it's a terrible quand reforp quandary for president obama. >> i think the sedate department and what peeps are having to come up with now is quiet threats today in terms of trade, sanction, something like that. some kind of isolation. i think if he gets really aggressive he is going to be in a stronger position. much more pro-russia. >> could putin use these as an excuse to go in there.

the reputation t many, many times. back in 1990. he was saying he was being called by kuwaites to come in and intervene and bring them back to the iraqi fold. >> let's look at a way secretary kerry used to describe the situation between russia and the west. >> you will not see thas some of the continuation of the cold war. we don't see it that way. we do not believe this should be an east-west-russia-glus this is not rocky iv. believe me. we do not see it that way. >> does the putin see it that way? does he see himself as a drago fighting against rocky and apollo creed? >> i think he probably does see it that way. certainly, the american government is worried.

the other day, it was not a situation where i win, you lose, you win, i lose. we can make this work together. there is no kumbaya moment with vladimir putin. in his view of the world, he may make tactical compromises but strategically russia wins, others lose. >> strategically, it is important on acth a lot of different levels economically. >> some stantial natural gas. >> i mean russia's depending upon exporting gas and petrolium to the world but particularly gas, 76% go to europe. they almost all go to u crepe. u crepe has been the dependent transit country for that trade

. >> that compromise the position . >> it gives them less thousand where they could cut off gas? >> they have cut off gas in 2006 and 2009 so they could drive a tougher bargain. >> the economics of it for ukraine, however, they were depending on those $15,000,000,00 $15,000,000,000. if it defaults, political changes. will they be able to get their act together so they can off and package? >> i am not sure that they are confident of that. the new prime minister, the newly appointed prime miles per hour sister told some reporters yesterday, we are political suiciders in the situation.

welcome to hell. >> you have written about yanukovych, the former prime minister who just was released from jail and who was seen by some as a possible future president in ukraine. for. >> she is media genic. she was rich before she was media genic. it worked with the west. the ukrainians are tired of her. as long as she was in vale. she was a bit of a heroin. a lot going on there. states. good to see you. before we turn to another divided country, venzuela, we want to show you some devastating pictures that demonstrate the ref jopling e crisis. a

have the biggest ref jopling e problem inside and outside of any nation, including more than 18,000 desperate palestinians in the refugee camp in damascus. son seem here queueing up for food. they have been devastated by fighting and by a blockade that has seriously disrupted efforts to deliver supplies. u.n. aid workers delivered 450 food parcels to refugees there wednesday that they admit it is a drop in the ocean. >> venzuela where opposition leaders wednesday rejected a call from the president to take part in a national peace conference aimed at ending 3 weeks of anti-government protests. veraka saw competing tissues. thousands of women marched to demonstrate against what they call the repress and violence by the security vie lenses which they blamed on cuban advisors. thousands of supporters rallied

in a march to the presidential palace declaring their support for peace and against what the approximately /* has called a coup spoof de ta by journalists. i am joined by a venzuelan attorney on and editor-in-chief of the paper funded by the venzuelan government. and chavez code cracking u.s. intervention. pope francis wad he had into the venzuelan conflict today and called for an end of the violence and peace and reconciliation. can that happen? >> of course, it could happen. the majority of venzuelans want peace and there to be a dialogue and don't want these kind of violent protests to continue disrupting their lives. right now, i mean the president has been engaging in efforts to try to dialogue with those, has

brought as many as will participate together in a conference for peace and important representatives from the business sectors in venzuela, the head of their chamber of commerce have participated and have manifested their desire to work towards improving the economic situation of the country degree and improving overall scenario. >> the photo opinion because they believe there has to be real negotiation. the majority have not been violent. >> actually, the washing have been violent. >> you saw the massive protest there on saturday and across the country. we had hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating completelies peaceful protests. in fact, one of the issues here is that the opposition on that day, on saturday, called for the protest to be peaceful did not protests. none of that got on television

because the venzuelan? >> it's not true. i have been living there for the past years. >> during the protests on saturday, they were showing president maduro doing other things. there was no coverage while those protests were happening of those protests. >> that's what happened on saturday. when the man who lost a very close election to maduro spoke and called for peace, none of that made it on television? >> some of it made it on in news segments. as in most countries, they don't cover 24 hour protests or even hourly, hours and hours. >> a few hundred thousand people in the middle of the city? >> in venzuela, it's been common over the past few decades you see large amounts of people protesting. it's taking place whether they are rallying for or against the government. private medium venzuelaans tend not to show the pro-government protests. we have/complaints on both sides in terms of who is sensoring who

or blabbing out and not showing accurate information. if you look at the newspapers in veeps which is what people also are reading every day, most of them are in the hand of private owners. most of them are constantly opposition and their discourse and their protests and their mars. i think it is important that those voices good tget out ther and hear that. i think overall they are hearing that. what we are looking at in venzuela is that while those peaceful demonstrations had taken place a few times over the past few weeks, what we are seeing with the ongoing protests are very violent. they are completely unorganized. you know, it's basically anarchy taking place. there has been a reaction to try to control the situation. there have been isolated incidents where there was people killed and the government announced that five public

officials have already been detained, police officers that were directly involved in that

violence t. on the other hand. >> again a lot of debate over violence. >> not a lot of debate. the last e elections that took -- >> the government party, socialist party won over 70% of may offerships throughout the country, which shows also there is not all focus on the president and just one figure, but it really, there is leadership nation side. >> the total of the vote was much tighter in this election as you know. and the certain rules in venzuela that sort of load thing in a way. let's not get into those kind of details. are these protests lemming it mat?

we are seeing -- >> admitted by the central bank. you are seeing inflation. you are seeing a murder rate that is crazy. when chavez was in power, it was 19 murders per 100,000 people. it's now up to 79. verified. >> the government has admitted it's 56. independent international organizations said it was 79 for 100,000 which is infinitely higher. aren't people in their rights to go out there? >> people are in their rights to go out and protest about t the issue is: are those protests -- what are the goals? t the cop fines of the constitution, previous or seeking regime change? i think we have different faxes at work right now in those opposition protests. we are those expressing kloti concerns like those you have named. there are others who are sort of using those protests to advance their own a gentry a.

for example, you had a guest on the show here the other night, maria machow, one of the leaders of those protests involved in a coup 12 years ago against president chavez is there after the fact? >> she was involved directly in the coup. she had refused to even recognize the legitimate see of the president when she was elected a member of venzuela's legislative body under the same electoral rule. >> if you hold that against her, wouldn't you hold it against chavez who tried though have a coup in airplanes? >> who later took responsibility for it and that's what spearheaded him out to be such a popular figure. he we want through the electoral process and recognized the legitimate see and admitted mistakes. she was someone you put on your show specifically saying basically that what they are looking for is regime change, no way out through elections. specifically. >> she said it in more or less.

>> you are interpreting it that way. >> she hsaid it in venzuela in public. the same with lopez. >> like protesters anywhere in ukraine or people in the arab spring, they want a different kind of government. >> doesn't mean trying to overthrow a government. >> no. but they are not trying militarily because they don't have the support. but they are trying through this kind of destabilization that's taking place and chaos a that they are trying to create an environment of ungovern apparently. as we see, things are dying out in terms of the momentum that these protests have. i think it's unfortunate that they don't respect the rules of democracy and some of the constitution as well. it allows for a recall referendum against any elected official. if they want him out. >> if it's so democratic, why do they kink out cnn and

correspondents, report that more than 60 reporters in venzuela have been beaten and their material stolen from them and you have the president calling anybody who opponents they can oligarchs and fascists? language. i wouldn't contest that because he has done so and he is calling on a class of people who have eroded the democracy and that ran the country into the ground and that, you know, today, those same people, not all of them. >> some would argue with the socialist government has run the government in the ground. >> that's not true. you cited figures for inflation but they were higher before. >> they weren't. >> actually not when chavez. >> no they weren't. numbers. >> the actual average during the deck aid of the 1990s was 60% >> it was not. >> yes, it was. >> we will have to disagree about that. >> it was. it got up in some moments to the 90s in terms of -- it was outrageous.

i was living there during that time. the national currency. it will depend upon what you are looking at. the national currency in that time period devalued at an alarming rate. years? >> not at an alarming rate. there has been an adjustment and devaluation of the currency. the standard of living has increased dramatically. >> so has oil. oil is at $17 when chavez went into power. it got to almost 150. >> he helped raise that price up through, you know, all kinds of policies with opec but used that money to i hope vest in the people and social programs, which is what hazelvated the standarded of lives in venzuela. while there are problems, there have been a lot of improvements. context. >> we could continue to discuss this 4 hours. they are going to kick me out of here from the control room. we have to leave it there. good to have you on the show. thanks for coming in. >> thank you >> it's time to see what's trending on the website.

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hugo chavez stood at about 20%, 23.1% to be exact. inflation earlier in the '90s had been higher reaching an avenue of 50%, which is still today. >> that's all according to the international monetary fund. switching to a couple from california who took their dog for a walk and ended up with $10 million. they stumbled across something that led them to find 14,27 gold coins from the property. it's believed to be the largest discover of buried treasurer in u.s. history. don kagan representing the couple, the president of cagan's inc. meltss, must have been quite something when you heard from this couple. >> pretty incredible. >> they have asked to remain anonymous. they don't want to start a gold rush on their property. capital blame them. how did they come across this? they saw something. how did they not notice all of

this before. >> they have been walking on it for years on their property. they had their dog with them. you know, it wasn't exactly on the trail. so what we understand is that maybe they saw a glint of light, maybe the sup hit one of the tin cans and they went over and took a stick, dug it out, took out the can, it was very heavy. they thought it was full of paint and they took it back, discovered there was gold in there. then they went back with a melts cans. >> this is unique on a number of different levels. among them, the fact that the coins stayed pristine after more than 100 years? >> that's what is really incredible about this. it isn't just the fact there is over 1400 gold coins. but these cold coins are rare. there is over 70 different dates and varieties as well as being in pristine condition. so we figure that somebody perhaps somebody in a mining

industry would get his remuneration and take a xwufrming of these gold coins and put them in a can and it may be connell back a year later, another year later and put some more. evidently he was taking them right from the mint or soon after they were struck at the u.s. mint in san francisco for most of them and they remained condition. >> these are face value is about $28,000, i am told. obviously, they are worth much more. are they still legal currency? >> it is legal tender. >> you wouldn't want to tender them because they are worth more than that. the estimate is that they are worth $10 million. i think you have there. >> i do. i have the star, we call it, of the entire college >> can you show it. >> sure. this is an 1866 s mint struck in san francisco mint with no motto, and in 1866, they changed to

invoke the glory of god on trust." but for a couple of months first they issued whoops without the motto "in god we trust." this is one of the now, the finest in existence. careful,it? >> it has been certified by pcgs, professional coin grading service. they have graded and authenticated every single coin and encapsulated them and hermetically sealed them in this plastic. while i don't encourage anyone to take a coin and do anything other than hold it by its edges, in this case, they are certified and sealed. coin. >> they found this in february of last year. now? >> well, it takes awhile. to, first of all, they wanted to vet and find the right people to sell and conserve the coins?

>> they were full of gurning and dirt and rust. we have been in the business for 81 years and professionally and my chief, david mccarthy has developed a talent of conserving copies that second to none. we made sure each of these coins were restored. >> this treasurer merited that. did other people do this during the gold rush to keep it save safe? >> there wasn't a lot of trust in the banks back then. a lot of people would bury their coins or hold them somewhere else other than the banks. in this case, somebody found a place to put all of his coins and thank goodness, for these focus, because, you know, had they put $28,000 of paper carps see there, you would still have

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vetoed a bill that would have discriminated gay people. >> people were calling to pull the super bowl out of arizona. dave zirin, host offem of sports radio and author of "game over" before the governor veto this bill, the n.f.l. said it supported tolerance and prohibited any discrimination saying that the league is, quote, following the issue in arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law. now, of course, we know it won't be signed into law. was the n.f.l. playing it safe position? >> absolutely. the n.f.l. was playing it super duper safe, using the 5-year-oldchise can i seer on the construction paper throughout this week. they should have taken a stronger stand much earlier on

and not because it's a moral question and not because it would have necessarily been good public relations but because the culty of sb 1062 would have put n.f.l. employees and in the era of michael sam, n.f.l. players perhaps at risk once they stepped into the state of arizona, the bill would have created a set of circumstances that would have made things very difficult for people cop seed to the lgbt. the n.f.l. had to look after it's constituents. it failed to do so. >> should the n.f.l. be an enty that pushes for these kind of social issues? is it in the league's place, or in its best interest? >> you know, there is an old expression: once you start to care, people are going to start expecting it from you. the n.f.l. has already put itself out there in 2013 by saying we want to adopt a much stronger regulations with regard to homophobic behavior in the locker room. it has well put out a strong statement in the era of michael

sam about how they want to be able to to be a place that is welcoming of players regardless of who they choose to be with when they are not in the locker room and on the field. when you have a context like that, it's reasonable to say to the n.f.l., are you about to pump half a billion dollars into a state that codified regulation that recalls back to the worst excesses of jim crow. >> it's not the first time arizona has gotten into an issue here with the n.f.l. the n.f.l. did take a position back in 1993 the n.f.l. pulled the super bowl out of address because it refused to recognize martin luther king jr. day and that was quick. it was only a matter of hours after the vote that this commissioner paul tagligu decided no the to do that is romminger goodell amend today's n.f.l. just not as strong as the n.f.l. was back then? >> it's interesting.

paul taglibu was a commissioner who had a record of trying to do the right thing even if it was not in the best interest of ownership. if you look at all of roger goodell's decisions, it's about disciplining players and never about disciplining ownership. this would have been one of those cases where it would have hurt the bottom line of the n.f.l. if they tried to pull a move off like this because the event you mentioned, paul taglibu said we will pull the super bowl. he announced that in 90. they said we will celebrate martin luther king's holiday and taglibu was tough luck and he held his ground. if there is one thing we have seen from roger goodell, he knows who pays his $44 million a year salary. >> the league is are canning a new rule that would personalize the use of the n word and other racial slurs on the field. but there has been resistance to the rule from many african americans. backlash? >> see, first of all this is the

pesh example of what i was talking about before. here is ownership saying we want to discipline and control how players speak to each other on the field but they don't say a word about the racial slur that you brands the team where i live right here in washington, d.c. in fact, rajjel goodell has gone out of his way to support that particular racial slur because that would be about disciplining ownership and not players. i am not surprised players have spoken out against it not just for the obvious basic first amendment freedom of speech reasons but because it presents a specter of an ownership. there are no black owners in the n.f.l. 31 of the 32 ownership entities are white. kahn is a middle eastern gentleman who owns the jacksonville jaguars but you get the specter of players for having speech disciplined by overwhelmingly white referees and owners. it's not would. >> jason whitlock wrote wrote a passionate peace saying there is

no reason to use the word at all. it's a white supremacist word, changing the pronunciation or the speaker doesn't change what that word represents. any other professional environment, if you used a racial slur of any kind, you you would get fired. isn't the n.f.l. right to make this ruling? >> well, first and foremost, i am not surprised jason whitlock wrote that and there are strong opinions about this in the african community and i believe that as a caucasian commentator that this is a debate inside the african-american community. >> that's where the debate needs to be had out like the idea of roger goodell give of saying what is going to be said between african-american players. it strikes a lot of people as a very false >> all right. a debate that will continue. great to have you on the show. >> thank you. >> the show may be over. the conversation continues on aljazeera.com/considerthis on our our facebook or google+ pages. see you next time.

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