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after months of drought, the rain is finally here, but the mud shrinemudslides happened bey couldn't hold all the water. stay tuned, "consider this" is up next. >> hello and welcome to a special edition of "consider this." for the past month we have been the only tv show to give you in depth looks at all oscar nominated documentaries. feature length and short subjects. a country genocidal past to the organized cameramen in egypt and yemen. back up singers who fought bigotry. and the victim and perpetrator
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of a hate crime who somehow found a way to work together to prevent violence. finding prevention through healing. frightening consequences of the war on terror. and from an amazing holocaust survivor to obsessive artists. to a couple bound by creativity and nearly pulled apart by it. this is for your consideration, the 2014 oscar nominated documentaries. is america's war or trough creating new enemies wherever it spreads? that's the claim in a disturbing documentary dirty wars and it follows investigative journalist jair anjeremy sahill. >> this was supposed to be the front line on the war on terror
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but i knew i was missing another story. there was another war hidden in the shadows. a nightmare. >> so there's the two men in the guest house were the first two people killed. you saw the u.s. forces take the bullets out of the body? >> right. >> who were these men who stormed into daod's home and why would they go to such horrifying lengths to cover up their action? >> covered up killings. >> how would a covert unit take over the largest war on the planet. >> you've dismissing what you've done. >> why is he still alive? are you paranoid? >> jeremy skahill, he wrote and produced the oscar nominated film, dirty wars. your movie starts very
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disturbingly with an attack, a raid on a small noun southern afghanistan where special forces went in and killed 13 people including a couple of pregnant women, two brothers one of womb was a police commander who had been trained by americans. is that when you first woke up to the fact that our efforts around the world are not necessarily winning hearts and minds? good yes, i was familiar with the fact that we had special operations forces i had seen them in action i knew that the cia had paramilitaries. the force that did that raid and in fact are doing many of the kill capture raids around the world, joint forces command, that reports directly to the white house and they don't operate within the normal chain of command. once we realized they had done that, it was like peeling back the onion. >> and you realized, that
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through the photographs that showed linda craven with afghan troops, they had broad a sheep to the town, the americans were apologizing about whad happened there. more than 75 countries. >> actually now it's more than 100 countries. the most current statistics we had from the u.s. special operations command. >> is this the way we are going to wage war in the future, special operations war? >> absolutely. president obama wants to get the world away from large scale troop deployments. what we're going to see is reliance on technology, we're getting away from human intelligence and relying on the technology of drones, special ops or cia to get around the world and go hunting.
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>> when technology goes awry, you show the case in southern yemen when a cruise missile ended up landing on a poor trien. the pictures are -- tribe. the pictures are absolutely brutal. babies killed, dozens killed. >> 14 women and 21 children were killed in that attack. part of what's at the heart of our film, people attacked us right and left about our film. at the end of the day, to put a face on these films. that could be my son or daughter who was killed in newtown or the virginia tech shooting that happened a few years ago. why shouldn't we have the same empathy for the people who died around the world? >> it is heartbreaking, social media question hermela aregawi for that.
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>> jeremy wants to noaa have you had any backlash or failed threats? >> all joirntljournalists who ds investigation into these covert units, i received a call from a very senior u.s. military official telling me if i published one of the stories that i was working on that made this film possible, that i would be quote on thin ice. if i invite you to view my in boax on any given day it's not a pleasant day. you either get paralyzed by your fear or you do your job. all of us have to encrypt our e-mails and stand up when we're attacked. >> after all these years whatever the u.s. is doing is working because there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack since then, 9/11. good first of all i think we are going to pay a price down the line. remember, in the occupation of
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iraq, look at the iraqis pulling down the saddam statute. fast forward to a year later, there was a massive innumber of the sunni and shia forces. >> our next documentary just lost the subject of its film in the past week. she is one of the most remarkable people we've ever seen. at 110 years old, alice hertz som err, oldest holocaust survivor. the eternal optimism of the lady in number 6 gained worldwide attention and oscar nomination for best documentary short subject. we spoke with the film makers before her passing. >> i knew that we will play. and i was well, we can play it
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can't be so terrible. the music, the music. music is in the first place of art. it brings us on an island with peace, beauty, and love. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> music is a dream. music is a dream! >> nick reed produced the film. he joins us from los angeles. oscar winner joins us from montreal. guys great to have you with us. you can't help but fall in love with this woman with her spirit. she went through the hello holo.
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she's not bitter. she says hate only breeds more hate. how has she managed to kind of find that inner peace and joy? >> it is something that mandela or dalai lama orga or or gandhie would all live to 110 and we would all be laughing or smiling still. >> you were nominated for another film. you must have a sense more than many others what she went through. that camp was somewhat different than the notorious camp. >> terezenstamp was not a camp
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hike the others. pretty much everyone who went there had the understanding they would be exterminated. but the interesting thing about the camp was an extraordinary collector of famous jews, jews who were nobel prize winners, and prize winning scientists. they were collected there, for propaganda purposes. they were to tell the world that they were okay, that they were surviving and that it wasn't as bad as the rumors said it was. in fact it was actually as bad, it was pretty much worse than you could imagine. >> what they were able to do living inside their mind in obviously horrible conditions somehow sort of set them apart. that ability to live in your mind is obviously incredible. people talked about when they went to a concert it allowed
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them to be somewhere else and it sort of recarnlgd their spirit. -- recharged their spirit. the brain is this mechanism that we really don't understand at all. somehow alice managed to connect to its power. it's amazing and mesmerizing. >> she played 100 concerts while she was in the camp and there was an especially poignant moment that came from her friend who was in the camp with her. she explains how she found what was truly important. >> when you were really down in the hell, and come up again, you have learned what matters in life and what doesn't. and what matters is very few things. life matters. human relationships. and that's about it. the rest is not important. one can live without.
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and because of this, it has enriched my life. and i'm grateful. for that experience. i can say that. >> i know alice feels the same way, nick. what kind of impact is the film having on people when you screen it? >> i think all of us that are involved in the film have a phrase now, which is what would alice do? there is nothing in our life that happened that even comes close to it. it's a very balance being thought. from the screenings, from a ten-year-old boy after seeing the film actually took up the piano. you expect adults to get a response but the response from the young people has been the most beautiful. >> coming up, risking their lives for freedom. arab spring, protesters
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rewriting their own freedom. tahrir square, for your consideration, the 2014 oscar nominated documentaries. hard hitting... >> they're locking the doors... >> groung breaking... >> they killed evan dead. >> truth seeking... >> they don't wanna show what's really going on... >> breakthough investigative documentary series america's war workers only on al jazeera america
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>> in the arc of history bends towards justice the road there judged. >> if the arc of history bends towards justice, the road there is rarely smooth. we continue our oscar documentaries, the square. egypt's tahrir square. when hosne mubarak was ousted and the chaos that fold -- followed. >> we need to enter that process. the army has to step aside.
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>> jaha nujem directed the square, the square is streaming on netflix and also in theaters around the country. the last time we spoke with you, you talked about the people you had spoke to in egypt and they told you egypt felt like it was in a dark place but despite the military takeover they were grateful what happened in treasurin tahrirsquare.
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>> speaking with all of them, they all feel like this is a long struggle. and what we can do with a film like this, with art, is to basically show that all egyptians should be respected, regardless of political background. i think all of our characters feel that way, and freedom of expression and social justice. >> those who call tahrir home are not going to give up. what was born in that square was a sense of dignity. for the first time egyptians felt hike they could be the authors of their future. and i think right now they are committed to claim authorship for the future of their country. any force that has come in since the revolution has started has failed, as we have seen. i think it's an ongoing struggle. i stay optimistic because i believe in the relentlessness of
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this dedicated few. >> the square isn't approved for public screenings in egypt. people are getting to see it. what's the response been? >> it's created a lot of comments, the overwhelming are positive. some say it's more on the brother hood and more on the army. i think it's healthy. in egypt we have been living moment to moment to moment. we haven't had a chance to reflect on where we've come from and where we're going. like the will of the young egyptian people have helped shape the flow of the country. >> the fact that it has been nominated for an oscar touches the people halfway across the world. >> to fail to understand what's happening, it comes in waves. we also have to realize that what's happening in egypt is
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also part of a global struggle. we showed the film to the square in kiev. the government of ukraine came and said they are against this film, tried to stop the film. all it did was just make people want to watch it more. a youth led movement around the world is going to say, we are going to write our own stories, we are going to be the authors of the future. and this will be the end of the government who continue this process. >> revolutions are defined as insurmountable, but the costs are often high. the shortly subject film, parama has no walls. the peaceful act in yemen that took 53 lives. the film the chilling.
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>> sara ishak directed the film. parama has no walls. sara, great to have you with us. i got to say i have never seen anything like this. you have cameras filming the peaceful protests as part of that country's arab spring. how these peaceful people started getting killed as they were sitting ducks.
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why did this happen? >> nobody knows why it happened. it came as a shock to everybody myself included which is why i really felt the need to make a film about it. the willingness of this cameraman to stay steadfast in the front lines the way they did and document regardless of their danger, was nothing i had ever seen before. the walls appeared, just after the scene happened, tires were set on fire, so snipers could go on buildings and fire direct hi on protesters. i didn't know the cameramen i didn't hire them, but i learned about them afterwards. about what happened on the day. >> the courage of those two photographers was incredible. they were targeted, people were shooting at them and they had
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people die all around them. >> that's what made it incredible. they knew that they wouldn't get credibility from the rest of the yemeni public that wasn't demonstrating at that point. put also from the outside world you know. they wanted to basically show that they were willing to ask for salah to step down in 2011 without use of weapons. >> as you go through this you also show just terrible images and just such sadness, little kids shot, one lost his eyes. did the reaction to this horror later help to topple ali salah, yemen's long time president? interit was a tribute, it took for almost a year for that actually to happen. ministers resigned, crowds were
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tenfold what they were before. and suddenly people had a responsibility to their other fellow citizens. they realized how far the government was just willing to go. >> but sala was almost assassinated a year before, he's still in yemen in fact he or his son may run for president. so in the end was anybody really held accountable? did the protests accomplish anything? >> no, it wasn't, giving him immunity from being tried, nobody is even been held accountable. everything around the case was people assassinated so there has been a lot of silencing and question marks around the whole case. >> straight ahead, using movies to make genocidal criminals to admit they're wrong.
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we'll hear from a film maker who risked his life, in a country whose people have not been held account annal for five decades. should we show mercy to prisoners who didn't have any for their victims? for your consideration, the 2014 oscaoscar nominated documentari. don't just need protection, they need assistance.
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victors are deranged, genocidal killers? our list of oscar nominated documentaries continues. a film maker asked some of those killers to recreate their crimes for a film and incredib incredibly, they said yes. ♪ born free ♪ as free as the wind blows ♪ as free as the grass grow ♪ free to follow your heart [ crying ] [ shooting ]
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>> joshua oppenheimer joins us from los angeles he directed the oscar nominated documentary, the art of killing. good to have you with us joshua. i could say on a human level this may be the most bizarre film i've ever seen. how the man we just saw there anwar, just openly boast about their crimes, absolutely mind boggling and of course raises the obvious question how are these people able to walk around free after confessing to murder on film? >> fundamentally, because they have never been removed from power. these are the men who in 1965 helped the military take power and have been in power ever since. and while the military dictatorship formally ended in 1998, these men still remain in
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control. like aging nazis, these men have never been removed from power. they have boasted, needed to boast, so they don't have to admit that what at the did was wrong. >> how did yo did you manage tot these men to come before your cameras and talk in such detail about how they massacred these people? >> i began making these films with the population of survivors. the army which is stationed in every village in indonesia, would no longer allow the participantsurvivors to particis film. try to film the aging perpetrators, they may tell you how they killed the family of our survivors.
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to my horror and my astonishment would boast about the grizzly killings, often with smiles on their faces in front of their wives, their children their small grandchildren. i had this awful feeling that i had wandered into germany 40 years after the holocaust only to find the nazis still in power. >> to tell stories and mildly reenact them, they go heavy duty and reenact a lot of what happened back then. >> this hapt organically -- this happened organically. i filmed every death squad either i could find, working across s sumatrap. these were criminals who hung out in movie theaters involved in all sort of serious organized
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crime but can selling movie tickets on the black market, scalping theater tickets. they had the love of paper movies. i had this feeling this pan's pain was close to the surface. and somehow i realized the boasting seems like the sign that these men feel no remorse. they may hack any conscience, their sign that they may know and defensive and are desperately trying to convince themselves, that it was heroic on their own society. >> can you go back? >> i can't safely go back to indonesia. i think i could get in but i don't think i could get out again. that said, the film has radically transformed the way
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indonesia talks about if past. the present day fear of corruption, and it's led the media to seriously investigate the genocide as a genocide and what happened was wrong. >> not because our prison population is growing but because it's aging and it's far more expensive to take care of older prisoners. a far number of prisons, have formed hospices. the documentary prison terminal. >> when i thought, what i could do for that patient to make them feel better. but when you do what do you, the feeling that you get back from them, you can't even describe it. it gives you a feeling
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certified, that for once, i'm somebody that nobody thought i could be. >> edgar barons directed the film, he joins us from chicago, prison terminal, the last days of hall. thank you for joining us. >> thank you antonio. >> these help these prisoners in their final days. >> well, i mean, for the most part these prisoners, most prisoners die even in their cells by themselves, in an infirmary possibly by themselves as well or in a state hospital shackled to a bed with a card outside the door where no visitors can come. so the prison hospice program at the iowa state penitentiary allows the terminally ill
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prisoner to die with friends around or family. >> more than 100,000 are expected to die in their cells alone over the next decade. you know what impact do you think this hospice is going to have on these prisoners turned patients? >> commutation will not be used very often, medical parole is rarely used. so the hospice is best for the prisoners who are destined to die behind bar. the benefit of this program is this program in iowa, that will help their buddy go through the rest of the sentence, holding their hand as they die. >> what do you say to people who, why are we going out of our
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way for people like jack who killed people, should they have an easier death than those whom they murdered? >> i think we as a society have to be better than they were when they committed their crime. i know for some people it is hard to stomach. if you want to look at it in an economic way it is a budget saver. they know they will be taken care of on a palliative level, pain-free and they will slowly die. the people worried about economics and the program is going to cost too much? the truth is it is causing next to nothing. >> that's what i was asking you, should it be replicated, l not just for the prisoner but for taxpayers? >> that's why i made this film, to tell you the truth.
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standardized legislatively pass some law and make this standards care. the program at iowa, the one i filmed used a lot of community volunteers. they would get church grun to tonight the quilts, the prisoners thems would make things at their own cost. so it's a no brainer that this system can be replicated for low to no cost across the country. >> just ahead. describing the civil rights story through song. and finding redemption on stage. and from a brultd act of bigotry to a sense of forgiveness. their unexpected path together to prevent more violence. a "consider this" special is
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>> the physical distance between back up singers and the star >> the physical distance between backup singers and the star they're backing may be only 20 feet tbutd struggle to get from one is. but the struggle to gel from one tto get from one to the other. >> there's a power to stand on the stage for these guys. >> it's a bit of a walk. and the walk to the front is complicated. >> i let them do what they can
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do. >> your backup singing is a springboard but it easily can be a stand if that's what you want to do. >> i felt like if i just gave my heart. to what i was doing. i would automatically be a star. >> morgan neville directed the film. joins us from studio city california. 20 feet from stardom, is on demand and dvd and blu blu ray. >> what do you see as the biggest difference in attitude and approach between the two? >> i mean there's a world of difference. i mean we talk about that 20 feet being the distance from the lead singer to the backup singer. but it's a psychological distance that's vast. it's something that they all have to come to terms with, which is not just talent.
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which is one of the messages of the film. an industry that values image and luck and talent and all these things, taint can be far down the list. that's a tough alcohol pil psycl pill for our stars to take. >> it's great to sing those oohs and ahs and eventually it gets ol. you bring up the issue that prejudice may be part of the problem. >> absolutely. there's certainly something about the pact that backup singers are probably the ultimate disenfranchised members of the music industry. they're primarily women and primarily african american. the film touches on civil rights
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issues. there was kind of an arighti ara franklin spot and a whitney houston spot. >> bub rock and roll hall of fame career, in there somewhere she ended up as a house maid. how did she get assigned that particular point? >> one particular christmas i was cleaning this lady's bathroom. ♪ ♪ >> and christmas baby please come home, my christmas record, came on the radio while i was cheeng this bathroom. -- cleaning this bathroom. ♪ they're singing technical the halls. ♪ >> i was thinking, all right
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sweetie, this is not where you are supposed to be. you are supposed to be singing. >> julia hill was going to be on the michael jackson tour that never happened. she went very deep on "the voice." but she even had a moment between the jackson things and the voice she ended up being a backup singer in disguise. it's really hard for these people. >> it was, when judith was on the voice, there was a little bit of a backlash against her, which is largely along the lines, she's already made it, shouldn't be on the competition show, but the whole time that we're shooting this film, judith was sleeping in her childhood bed in her parents home trying
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to save money. but because of her brilliant sign, judith has been signed by sony records. >> tolerance and the amazing lack of it, led to forgiveness. a gay matthews crossed paths between tim and ten of his friends. >> they started punching me and kicking me as hard as i could. >> i saw something to the effect of what's wrong with you guys, don't you know how to put a boot in? >> i remember looking into at a face, i remember looking at that mohawk and those eyes. i kicked him in the forehead and he was out. they believed with everything that was within them that they
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had accomplished the goal of cimg that kid i in in the alleyo had never spoken to them, never said a word to them. those words were far more nornt my life than the boots and the blades. >> 20 years ago, the victim and his attacker met again. the oscar nominated director joins us from l.a. you also then end up at the museum of tolerance and you meet matthew. tell me about that meeting. >> i had been there at the museum of tolerance for about five years prior to matthew coming on to the scene. we had stepped out to have coffee and to discuss a group that was coming into the museum,
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a school group. there was a specific hotdog thag stand that was there. i told him, and there was a whole bunch of questions. a very awkward moment for the both of us. >> away makes the story rather remarkable in a way is forgiveness didn't come easy. >> that was a big motivation of the film to explore the process of forgiveness that the two had to go through. it's not cut and dried, not an overnight thing, both of them had personal issues they were struggling with both matthew and tim. and it took a lot. they were not necessarily wanting to be around each other
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from the get go and finally did this presence. we had to examine how they ended up in the place they were now. >> matthew, it's difficult to imagine for someone who almost killed you how long did it take and how did you get to that place? good it took a few years. it took a lot of -- it started out with wondering why they had chosen me how those things happened but part of the reason was tim's willingness to be on and honest, which made me move forward and pass it to the point i could forgive timg completely. doing the process that we do together chem we can i could be wharnd was once my perpetrator and worked through the ieshts we
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had worked on together singly. to achieve our prime goal. >> god has forgiven you, have you? that was very difficult. >> most of us have not gone through such an horrific thing that these two men's had gone through. but we can present it, and let people take it back and see how it affects a small dispute with a family member. we have shown the world at this point and people are really reacting to it and wanting to talk and open up a discussion about compassion, love and
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forgiveness. >> next for your consideration, the 2014 oscar nominated documentaries. we depend on you, >> you are one of the voices of this show. >> so join the conversation and make it your own. >> the stream. on al jazeera america and join the conversation online @ajamstream. >> there's no such thing as illegal immigration. >> al jazeera america
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>> we continue our series looking at this year's oscar nominated documentaries, with this question, when does art become obsession. the most unusual of artists. >> i'm totally obsessed. thinking about it all day long. >> he doesn't do things for himself. he does things for art. >> i don't put any energy into being a success in the world. my strategy is to wait for something from heaven. >> hi, i'm the guy that dug the cave. >> i've had ideas for ages that i've never gotten to try. i want to create a space that's transformative.
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>> jeffrey, good to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you follow raul paulette as he creates these caves, he does it all by himself. can you describe his work for people who haven't seen the film? >> well, he starts with a mountain side. there's a particular material that he can work in that has the combination of a malleablity to it and also a firmness so that it will keep its shape. and he can recognize this material. and he can see from the outside of the mountain the shape inside. and he starts digging in one direction and creates these cathedral hike spaces over the course of months or years. >> and one of the caves he has finished has bookshelves and doors and all sorts of details. how livable are the spaces? >> that one is the probably the most livable of the caves that he's created. it is also wired for electricity and it has internal plumbing and
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it has a bathroom in it. the other caves are more used for meditation, or just you know, relaxing or chanting. i think people tend to continuous the caves more for that. >> he seems to have an inner conflict about wanting recognition but then when he actually gets work for clients, the clients order, you know, ask him to build some of these caves he has some issue with them. let's take a look at the clip. >> i couldn't rather get into the mindset that we were working together. he was off on his loan artist stand. >> it's definitely important with me to have a rapport with the people that i'm working for. they have to have an input, but i'm not the paintbrush and my client is not the painter. >> and your film does seem to
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say something in general about artists that it's something that they have to do that it's not a choice. and he seems to let even his relationships go. >> i would say that obsessed is a word he uses for himself. there's no place he would rather be than underunder the earth an zigging or carving. to me it's a rather unpleasant thing but what can you say about that? >> jackson pollack and rita kazner. what happens when the me mentee emerges from the mentor? cutie and the boxer. >> while his works are exhibited across japan, american
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significant artist in her own right, even for a long time she was totally under his shadow. >> that makes up the narrative of the film. i was inspired about noriko's art. it started out as a biography, the more forthcoming and noriko as the more reserved. but it was her fire and energy and attention between them that became more universal for an audience, who could find in themselves many, whether you are an artist or anything that is doing something creative or that you're passionate about and especially for couples that are in long term marriages and certainly couples that have similar careers as well. >> ultimately does that kind of tension in the couple work in their favor? good it keeps them young. i mean if you look at them
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they're ableless. ushio is now 82. he has the energy of a five-year-old. >> let's listen to noriko describing their relationship. >> sure. >> heaven or hell. but in the end, when you showed him the finished film, it wasn't relationship issues that really mattered so much but he wanted you to reedit the film. >> yeah, when i turned the tv off for the the first screening, his reaction was, so this is a love story?
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and i said well yes. and he kind of grunted and clearly was disappointed the film wasn't more about him, more focused on his artwork. he was certainly under the impression that it was about him. and luckily enough, noriko was able to counteract his criticisms, he thought it was too long, i should cut off the last 30 minutes of the film. >> which was mostly about her. you also show how these will struggle. is it that hard to make a living even though you're a fairly renowned artist like him? >> it's hard to say. ushio came over in 1969. he never really learned english, he was never sort of managed i think in the proper way. it's an incredibly competitive
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art field and his artwork is fairly hard to define. it fits in these categories of pop art of sort of post-abstract expressionist. he couldn't escape the legacy of the boxing painting with this pure form of action, where his body was the art and the performance was the art and it was something renowned and groundbreaking. it was hard for him to move on from those pieces, that's away he wanted to do as every artist wants to reinvent himself. >> he actually started filming himself early on. so you would have footagen of the early days in new york. which makes it more interesting. the movie has been nominated for an oscar and led to great things for your career. >> it was great for many of the
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people in the film. we had exhibitions -- >> you have been hanging out with beyonce too. >> yes, i had the opportunity to work on a series of short films announcing the release of her secret album that came out in december. really an amazing project poop a mammoth project, two years of work to condense and make sense out of she had been working with justin timberlake, an her husband. >> it was worth it certainly for you and cutie and the boxer is available on itunes and dvd and bli-ray. all ten of the films we just
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profiled are available online or theatrically in select cities. put on by the academy of motion picture arts and sciences. please go see them. thanks for watching, have a great night. ♪ ♪ it is time for the russian intervention in ukraine for end. a second emergency session of the united states nighted nations ukraine goes on high alert after russian troops move in to crimea. 90-minute phone call president obama speaks to russia's president telling him to back off ukraine. and now nato will have their emergency meet diogu crane set for monday in brussels. ♪ ♪
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