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. >> evil incarnate has force. >> exorcism is a priest or deacon having power over spirits in the name of the victorious and risen christ. >> in the next 24 hours, can you top this. >> nominations can be is good time. people go overboard and get hurt. >> the carn age continues in the syrian war. >> after nearly three years of
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i'm joined by the save the children vice president, michael the video is powerful. how many people have seen it. what is the response. it's been a very, very strong response. i think over 13.5 million viewers have seen the video, it was our effort to help people connect with what is over there, by bridging it over here and removing the foreign next. and you are left to consult the horror. >> the numbers of children whose lives have been destroyed are staggering. >> more than 7,000 killed, 1.2 million are refugees, two and a quarter million denied an education. 5 million need help. there are kids displaced within syria. this is the worst humanitarian
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crisis. it's horrific circumstances. that's why we are encouraged that so many have viewed the film. there'll be empathy when we bark the third cann sersry. and hope that the world can turn a corner and start both getting humanitarian aid to help people, and accelerate the process of bringing about a political settlement. >> talking about the humanitarian aid, 18% of syrian children under 5 are refugees, meaning they have to leave syria, if it is happening in the united states, more than one in 40 american children would have been driven from their homes. is one of the issues that the numbers are so overwhelming and going op, that it drives people away from giving, rather than
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helping. >> there's a number of things. assistance will put bread on people's stableses. medical care and support. we need resources to do that. secondly, it's important that the world's leaders understand that people want to show solidarity with families in syria, and we need to accelerate to open up the channels for getting systems in, and accelerate effort to bring about a political settlement. people can raise their voices. that will be part of the problem, that they have not been terribly willing to negotiate, including allowing humanitarian aid in. we are showing the horrible pictures from refugee camps, we saw how it snowed and it was freezing cold and people were living in tends in many places, more than 2.5 million syrians were struggling to survive. every day we saw new pictures of
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fighting. what can people do to help save the children and other organizations that are trying to do what they can to help these people. >> i have not been inside syria, but i visited our work in neighbouring countries, and save the children is reaching over a million people inside syria itself, and the neighbouring countries where large numbers of syrians sought refuge. people can provide support to non-profits, and as i mentioned they can encourage the governments to step it up and ensure that humanitarian aid is getting to people inside syria. that is where the gap is. there's good assistance provided to refugees in jordan, lebanon, iraq and egypt. a shortfall is support for people inside syria, and we have to do more to get the aid in. the security council passed a resolution. it was a diplomatic breakthrough that has to pass into a
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humanitarian broke through. you you thank you and good luck to save the children. >> recent events turned the image of a happy whale upside down. a controversial documentary "blackfish" point the story of a whale at sea world. a top trainer had been pulled under water and drowned by the orca. now a bill has been introduced to force the theme park to end its shows in an effort to protect highly social and intelligent animals. i'm joined by richard bloom, a democrat proposing the ban on orcas in cap difficulty.
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and the nephew of the jacks cousset. richard, what do you hope to achieve with the legislation. >> thank you. it's good to be here. the bill would do a number of things. the most important would be to end the captive breeding program. any captive breeding program. and it would also make it illegal the import or export of the issuingas into or out of the state of california. >> are these issuingas suffering in the -- orcas suffering in the conditions in which they are kept. >> it's an important question and you bring up a great point in the debate that is happening, one that is overdue. fundamentally it's hypocritical to take a creature who can swim 100 miles in a day, and that has a rich and deep social tie in nature, to degrade the quality
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of life to enhance hours, and indeed the habitat. no matter what we do, the whales in captivity is nothing like what the life is like in the wild. while i heard people refer to treating them like kings, you know, the truth is if you put them in a room, my life is in a small engaged bathroom. people making noise, i don't think that it is a quality of life that any creture deserves. >> richard, if the orcas can't survive in the wild, what do you propose be done. that they not entertain, and just be kept still under the similar conditions to what they are in now. >> the orcas are surviving in the wild. let's bear that in mind.
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>> there is an argument. some believe, especially the ones born in captivity, can't survive in the wild. >> that is correct. the ones born in captivity cannot survive in the wild. we are not proposing that they be released from captivity. what we are saying is that they are not doing well in captivity, the life spans are several reduced and they live in a - in a state of stress that is leading to bad consequences for those that are in captivity. we want to end the captivity program. it will be over a period of time because these great mammals that have been bread in captivity or in a limited number of cases brought in from the wild and domesticated for the most part can't be released out into the wild. >> are there no positives to have orbingas in captivity.
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one member of a zoo and animal organization org use out of site, out of mind. if humans don't connect, we'll be less inclined to have preservation levels. >> i take issue with that, and consider the fact that elephants or rhinos have been in captivity for 200 years. they were never in captivity. there was an outcry and whaling was stopped in the early part of the 20th century. i find that the evidence demonstrates that the correlation between the two is not that strong, and we don't necessarily have though have animals in captivity in order for us to care about them. it makes a few people a lot of money. >> how about baluga whales.
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there is a successful program for breeding them. are some animals okay to have in captivity if we protect them. >> it depends on the animal and the surround we offer them. it's easier to create a safari park: it's virtually to recreate their life in the mild. >> they are against the concept. it's a complex social group. at sea world aquarium and the georgia aquarium, they just plied to do that. the animals were taken out of the wild in russia, introduced to a captive situation that is unacceptable for anyone to agree
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to take captive animals and put them - free animals and put them into a captive situation. it's unacceptable. >> where do we draw the line. they are talking about marine animals. do we not have dolphins in captivity. >> i rely on the opinions of scientists like the cousteau family, like the folks who are supporting my bill. we have reached out into the marine mammal scientific community, and have heard recounting opinions that the type of program that economists at sea world keeping the killer whales in captivity is not a good idea. >> what about san diego. down there i don't think you are popular. the newspaper, the mayor, assembly men spoke out saying sea world brought tens of millions into the economy, and
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that they - this makes no sense. >> well, actually, that same newspaper ran a poll asking its public what they thought about the bill, and folks that are running about two-thirds, one third in favour of the bill. i don't think my popularity is suffering, but my popularity is not what is important. this bill is about a program that we should bring to a close. i think the public and the scientific community, including very conservative publications like scientific american, which came out with an editorial supporting the types of actions that we have in my bill. there's really a resounding amount of popular opinion, and scientific opinion that supports the ideas in my bill. >> they are magestic animals, and it's good to talk about them and raise consciousness about
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>> could e-cigarettes be forcing adolescents to smoke? are they a gateway to the real thing or is it that more smokers are trying the electronic version to quit or out of curiosity. we are joined by lauren, a researcher at the center, for tobacco research. she is one of two researchers. the media reaction is varied. some claim that the study shows that egrets are a gate way to real cigarettes, is that misreported or are you confident this smoking e-cigarettes is leading adolescents to smoking real cigarettes? >> it's tricky, as we said many times, this is cross sectional data. i can't tell you that it is
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causing kids to smoke. it's possible that it is a gate way. that's left to be demed. we saw the kids using e-cigarettes if more likely to be tobacco smokers. we saw that this doubled among teens. studies showed the total number of teens was declining, if e-cigarettes is growing in leaps and bounds. shouldn't we see an increase in smoking. >> that is something we might see in the future. e-cigarettes have only been popular in the u.s. for the last couple of years. the data we have on e-cigarette use is on 2011 and 2012. generally the dat owe from c.b.c. is older than that, when we talk about convention tall possible abbingo.
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>> here are some other findings, current esecret use was associated with smoking or having smoked secrets in the past and mistakers that used cigarettes were likely to intend to quit smoking. could that be used to arg ou against iyour use. >> the taken edgers using e-cigarettes were likely to be planning to quit. they are less likely to have stamed smoking. >> you maptioned it briefly. how significant was the number of teenagers. were you able to find kids whose first use of nicotine. we saw that among middle school students. 20% of them had never tried a
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tobacco secret. not even a puf. we saw that 7% had not tried a puff of conventional tobacco cigarettes. some smokers used other nicotine delivery devices. how much do you think the use of e-cigarettes is in that way. there have been some studies showing that e-cigarettes are used in great numbers to try to quit. >>y, i think the trick -- yes, i think the tricky thing with the data is a lot of the existing studies have been online surveys of people who are buying cigarettes. there are reports of people quitting. it's something we have heard. based on our study we can't talk about what is doing on with adults, but among adolescents, it looked like they hadn't quit.
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>> some of the strongest criticism comes from dr michael segal. he said that the authors seemed to have an axe to grind. i could argue that he says what the study shows is that people who are heavy smokers are attracted to e-cigarettes because they are looking to quit. how do you sonned to that? >> i would say what you found was they were less likely to have stopped smoking. i think it counters a second argument. you know, i think the most important thing is to focus on the findings. we can talk about my personal opinions about e-cigarettes, but the most important thing is what the data shows. if you read the study, you know what it shows, we are talking about high-quality data from the c.b.c., high quality analysis, and two educated researchers trying to express these findings, not only in the paper, but also to the public. comments about our personal opinions, that's not going to be
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reflected in the findings in the paper. >> a lot of studies will have to continue to be down on this as it changes the whole world. good to have you with us. thank you. >> switching topics to a drinking game that has gone viral on social media, but has turned deadly. called nick nomennate it incuds players chugging alcohol. they dare friends in online video to one-up what they do. harmeli aregawi reports on a dangerous game that has glamed five lives worldwide. it's called necknominate. it starts by the participate drinking or, as the british and aussies say, necking. then the person nominates other
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people by name. [ bleep ] >> challenging them to top the drinking in creative, outlandish and dangerous ways. the online videos pressured the people nominated into participating. the game is believed to have starts in the u.k., when this video was posted last year. >> i nominate all of you whose birthday it's not, merry christmas. >> a facebook page def i don't think to neck and nominnate credits sampson for starting the craze. young men and women consume large amounts of alcohol and sometimes adding dead animals into their drinks to top their nominators. five men from the u.k. and ireland died, participating in this craze. in our research we found a couple of guys in washington state neck nominating.
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it doesn't look like it's gaining traction in the u.s. >> to discuss this further. joining us from our studio in los angeles, wendy walsh, who has been following the trend. binge drinking, filming yourself, getting drunk and doing crazy things, it may have started as someone's idea of fun. five people have decide. why in the world would anyone find this appealing. >> it's mostly taking place with young men. mother nature is perfect. they make sure more boy babies are born than females, because by the time you reach middle age we are about evened out. the testosterone serve makes men try at-risk behaviour, whether it's joining gangs, driving, or drinking too much on the internet. there'll be a few knuckle heads and a few will lose their lives.
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>> some of the knuckle heads are women. one recent stunt involved a 21-year-old woman who road a horse into a store. she didn't drink much, but did it as part of a neck nominate dare. some are risking arrest. it seems with showing off and foyerism. your friends see you and you get a thrill out of it. >> the reference is clear that what the internet has done is given a wonderful platform to extroverts. you could pretty much correlate the personality types or disorders with internet use. there's a bunch of others watching and laughing. they are called the lookers and watchers who are not doing this. whether they are male or female, this is what the internet has down. given a flat form. >> others argued that it's not so much about it being appealing. there's a dark side to it that
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is about bullying. it is putting peer pressure to do stupid and dangerous things. >> i might argue that long before the internet this happened at frat parties and in dorm rooms, and hazings all over the world. specifically in this country. in a way, the fact that it was online is bringing the problem into the open where you and i can talk about it, governments can talk about it. parents can warn their children about it. sadly people died in dark frat houses before in, and nobody knew why they died of alcohol poisoning. >> you are right. that brings up an important point - how big of a problem drinking already is in the u.s., especially in clem. the numbers about college students and drinking are really shocking. four out of five students drink. half of those are believed to binge drink. the national institute reported that 1825 college students
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between 18 and 24 die every year from alcohol-related unintentional injuries. many were assaulted by another students who were drinking, and 97,000 student were victims of alcohol-related sexual assault and date rain. the numbers go on and on and on. what can be done to combat this? >> i would venture to say the number on sexual assaults is highly underreported. there's so much shame around this issue. the issue is somehow do we teach children or adolescence to drink responsibility. in europe, there's no drinking age, there's a guideline, and the average age that student have wine with their parents is 12. i'm not sure that that is the way. we keep moving the drinking age to older and older and older.
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you can't have a shot of whiskey until you are 21. i don't know that that is the answer. >> as we mentioned. facebook devoted to this game made its way to the united states shows that it made its way to the us. all the deaths occurred overseas. how much traction do you think it will gain here? >> well, i did hear that my own college nephew in canada. has someone asked him to participate. he was not about to be shamed by it. i think that americans tend to be. they tend to be less conformist and stand on their own. they may not take the bets or bullying, i don't know. we'll see what happens. i do know, having lived in europe that there is - correlated, there's more drinking there than here. partly because culturally there's a lot of pressure, to conform, have social convention,
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it's almost like you are not allowed to let loose. we don't need alcohol to be crazy. i don't think it will catch on as much as we think. i would never argue for censorship, but should social media companies like facebook, twitter do more to combat the videos. it does take offensive content down. facebook gave us a statement saying that we do not tolerate: >> do you think companies should do more. >> we need to make culpable the alcohol companies that market to people and adolescents. i think - i don't think that
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will solve it. social media - it's good and bad. the bad is that maybe the odd kid, young person is going to think it's a cool trend and adopt it. plenty more will be warned. bus their seeing this, and you and i are talking about it. deaths from alcohol poisoning are real. >> there's a facebook page ecouraging people, instead of in effect-nominating or creating a chain of good deed. >> i like that one. >> me too. dr wendy walsh. good to have you on the show. >> back with more consider this.
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renewed concerns over security. my next guest suggests a threat to our security is america's ailing education system and failure to produce enough scientists, engineers and creative thinksers that our economy needs to survive. >> i'm joined by a retired c.e.o. of the lockheed organization, a defence contractors, and retired army chief. before we get to education, you co-wrote an article about a forum you sat on identifying 50 ways to improve security, congress didn't act on it before 9/11, and afterwards only one, the department of homeland security. >> is congress undermining security. >> i would have to say it is. the the study, the hart-redmond
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study was put together bay commission spanning the political spectrum, coming to a conclusion on 50 recommendations. before 9/11 americans were elected to die by the thousands, and we said what we thought ought to be done. after 9/11, even establishing the homeland security department was considered. it's very hard, in my view, among others, that we are endangering national security. over the past week we saw the war break out between the c.i.a. and senate. with charges of countries spying on each other. with that kind of system of oversight, it's difficult for anyone to believe anything could get done. >> it's very hard. i have spent life in the corporate world, and no corporation could survive with
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that type of management or leadership. we can't have hundreds of different committees overseeing the security department. >> do you think there's a will to change your it. >> nod today. i'm afraid it will take a catastrophe before we will do anything. my hope is that it's a survival catastrophe. >> let's turn to education. you think it's important when it comes to national security. you are writing a book. you spoke about all this at john hopkins university last fall. you mentioned a couple of things that stood out. how far down the line is the united states on - compared to other developed nations, and you bring up that more than 70% of young americans may be ineligible for service because of mental, physical or moral
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shortcomings. how do we get here? >> it's taken a long time. there are a number of factors that get in national security. most young americans are not eligible to serve in the military for the reasons cited. >> america is not producing scientists and engineers. there was a study of 93 countries. wh what per cent studied engineering. the countries were thirdly world countries that most haven't heard of. that's a factor that is a real concern. science and technology underpins the economy. you can't have a strong military - without a strong
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economy. russia proved that not too lodge ago. >> you point out that 70% of engineers in this country, the ones graduating from college are foreign born. what do we have to do to get more engineers and scientists. you bring up the fact that in other parts of the world it's cool, it's a smart thing to do to be an engineer and scientist. here we have a tendency to look at them as nerds and keecks. >> that's right -- geeks. >> that's right. engineers take pride in talking about themselves as being geeks, which is not helple. you never see a program where the scientist is the hero. our culture today is not supportive of this kind of thing. all of us have our pockets full. in other countries, as you point out. it's one of the favourite callings of young people. i think there are two solutions. one is to encourage more young
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people that want to study, to come to the country and stay here. that kept our science system working. the other is to encourage science and engineering. what that takes is first-rate teachers of science and technology, k through 12. >> is the problem at that level as opposed to colleges. towarding to the times of london. it is true. we have the overwhelming majority. it's a danger, i might add, more other reasons, the problem is a k to 12. it's around fourth agreed when a father tells a daughter the girls don't do maths, or when a teacher is not qualified to teach maths and science, or the students say "why is this important?", and the teacher says, "i don't know, but we have to do it." we need teachers with degrees in science and
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engineering who teach, paid appropriately, respected appropriately, and i think we'll see this turn around. >> you point out that our younger generation is less educated than their parents, the parents believe the kids will have a lower standard of living, and you talk about american exceptionalism. and greatness has to be earned by every generation. i guess my last question is how significant is this for our future. how concerned are you. >> i'm very concerned. it's extremely important. the nation's future depends on having a strong economy and it depends on an educated work so far as. >> americans enjoy a g.d.p. that is six times the average of the rest of the world. you don't get there by being there below average.
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joining us from indiana is father who is the exorcist and pastoralist of a church in indiana. he is a member of the international association of exorcists. good to have you with us. most people have a perception of what an exorcist is. the exorcism of memly rose. they are portrayed as people possessed. we see incantations forcing out evil spirits. that's not what an official ex-sore sis by the church is like. >> no, not at all. a true exorcism is a prayer by the church for those that believe they are up against the forces of evil, when this determination is made. it is true that there can be
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manifestations of evil, but the best way to think of an exorcism is it is a prayer of the church. >> before getting into that, what, if anything, do the movies get right? >> well, movies get it right when it comes to the reality of evil. they play to an kaudiens that likes all the theatrics, if you will, but in reality that's very far removed from what a true exorcism is about. >> i know the majority of cases where people call the church, that priests refer people to doctors to deal with what is likely mental illness. what do you do to determine if, under if it's something that the catholic church deems a possession, and the person needs an exorcism. >> an exorcist relies on people
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in the mental health field as well as a family doctor, to determine the physical cause. and the experts are asked to weigh in on whether there is something about the particular person going beyond the scope of their expertise >> there's different types of possessions. >> evil is personified. sometimes people view evil as nothing more than humanities treatment of one another. there can be different levels of demonic activity, there can be infestation to do with object. there can be vexation, physical attacks that a person can be going through. there can be obsession, and there can be demonic possession
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itself. indexation, vexation and obsession would be the lesser degrees of activity. >> when you first became an exorcist in 2005. and now there are more than 50. reports are that there has been an acceleration, and in italy and spain there's a lot of requests. why a drastic increase. >> the increase is - people say it's a greater sense of evil in the world. i say that i believe that the increases do, perhaps, because people are more fascinated with evil, they are dabbling with things, they can open up an entry point, and the church recognises if they don't address the issue, people will turn elsewhere for the answers. exorcisms should be rooted in pastoral care and faith. it needs to take place within the confines of the church.
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>> a reason for the increase has been what you said, there has been a rise in satanism, black magic, in the occult arts. how - what have you seen. have you seen extreme cases where you are convinced that there is demonic possession. >> yes, after working with experts in mental health and the physical area, have made a determination to perform an exorcism. it's a true demonic possession. they are rare. i have probably down five over the course of nine years that i have been involved in the ministry. is part of the reason within the churches, something you referred to also, that we are seeing an increase in people selling them as exorcist outside the church, and who are not serious and out there making a buck for other reasons. >> seems like there has been a growth in people in the
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professional field, if you will. usually that is not linked to the component of faith, so the church would say that the so-called professionals cannot provide the relief that they say people are looking for. they may provide temporary relief, but long-term care is neg glected. >> what would you say to non-catholics who say that this is crazy. >> catholics will tell you that this is crazy. >> the reality is it's not new to modern times for people to doubt the reality of evil. many doubt the reality of god. a common theme is the clash between the kingdom of god and satan. once again there are many people who think exorcisms is a throw back to the middle amounts, back to the time of christ when mental health issues were not
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>> $300,000 to study the body language of world leaders. >> you consult with multi national corporation, i want to be fair. it's good to have you with us. this is coming from one office this seems to try all sorts of u.n. conventional methods in looking at international policies. apparently it's never been used to do anything, secretary of state - defense chuck hagel says he heard about it when he read about it in a news report. let me ask you about body language. how valuable is it. >> body language is as good as as far as it goes. the problem is it's not universe
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am. there are certain cultures, and people can consciously will body language and politicians. >> the face is different. you say it tells you more than the body. that the microexpressions are accurate and you can interpret them in a clear way. >> there's two things. one is spontaneity, the only place in the body where the muscles are attached. that's the microexpressions you referred to, maybe in one tentsds of a second you show an expression, and you may try to camouflage it. that's a key thing. the second thing, we are talking about vladimir putin, facial expressions are universal. a person born blindemotes the same way as you and i.
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it carries across genders, cultures. you get a richer read. how much of a science is this. i remember the tv show that focused on all this, and an expert who could tell when people were lying. how accurate is that in terms of interpretation. >> sure, the origins are no less than charles darwin, the first scientist to take emotions seriously. paul ekman, an advisor, we went through with a school of bed sin, statement of claimicly figuring out which muscle movement corresponded. it's the facial action coding system. it's quite scientific. >> vladimir putin. one of the things you noticed was anger. >> let's take a look at a couple of these faces. what did they tell you? >> what you see with vladimir
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putin is a strong indication of anger. this is from a press conference while he had begun to get the troops out in exercises near the ukrainian border. you see a bit in the body language where the fingers are pointing. it's the anger. you would rarely see a western leader showing this degree of anger in a public event. you have the mouth tightening, the eyebrows lowering, the eyes getting narrow slits. this is really a pretty profound degree of anger, and anger is an emotion about several things. one is it's aggressive, i'll reach out. this is a man that put forces into the crimea. it's an emotion about "i want to be in control of my destiny", and i will get matter to the extent that i feel an injustice has been served. >> here we talk about the greatest tragedy of the 20th
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century. that's lot of anger of vladimir putin here. >> you saw smirking and disgust and you believe that that was worrisome in some cases. we are trying to get to a diplomatic settlement. what are the odds? less when you deal with a leader smirking about the opposition. what i noticed is when he was talking about obama, and a smirk shows in the corner of the mouth. it's a mixture of anger and happiness. you feel mad about the other side because you don't trust or respect them. but you have an element much soup ear yore city. they look at obama as someone not on his level, not a worthy adversary. if you don't see someone on the same page as you it makes it difficult to negotiates. all you talk about is an aversion, rejecting the other side. you are not going to get to a
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diplomatic solution that way. >> one thing i believe surprised you, you saw something vladimir putin doesn't show often, fear. >> i was not expecting the fear element. this is a guy that prides himself on being a tough guy. maybe a couple of circumstances. it was a press conference in which he was fielding squefference, and owns that they were not russian drops, that the military exercises were - these were answers stretching credulity, and people wonder whether they could believe the answers, and he probably wondered himself, and there was a bit of wariness. anger, but fear is an emotion about i feel under threat, my survival is at stake. the ukrainian border is about 300 miles from moscow, so i saw
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a lot of fear with the corner of the mouth pulled wide, the ideas lifted, wrinkles across the forehead. this is freightful, anxious person than i expected. the stakes are high. the leader who just opposed in may ways resembled a small verls of what vladimir putin created in russia, and vladimir putin wouldn't want to see the same fate happen to him as the leader. >> what practicality, how can we use the interpretation of these microexpressions in a practical way? >> we can use them every day. business meetings, understanding whether our children, when they come home from a date tell us the truth about whether they were drinking and driving. in diplomatic circles, they do reveal motivations and character and indications.
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emotion have the same root in latin, making something happen. vladimir putin, taking anger and fear is a volatile cocktail. it will be hard to negotiate. i don't think he's likely to back down based on signals i see here. >> it's fascinating. very interesting. appreciate you joining us. dan hill. >> absolutely. thank you so much. >> the show may be over, but the conversation continues on the website aljazeera.com/considerthis. on google+, twitter and facebook pages. see you next time. >> welcome to al jazeera america. i'm jonathan betz in new york with the headlines. >> russia vetoed a u.n. security council resolution that would have declared tomorrow's election in crimea illegal.
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>> violence erupted in eastern ukraine, not far from the border. russian troops are trying to advance northward from the peninsula into the mainland. >> a criminal investigation is undie for flight 370. the malaysian prime minister says it appears of the plane was deliberately diverted off course and flown for seven hours. investigators are scrutinising the backgrounds of everyone on board. police reportedly searched the homes of the pilot and the co-pilt. >> today marks three years since the uprising, as bashar al-assad forces claimed a strategic city. nearly 3 million people have fled the country. venezuela president nicolas maduro is making good on using force against anti-protesters. hours after issuing an ultimatum, fighting break out between protesters and police. more than 30 have been killed since demonstrations began.
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>> here in the united states, honda is recalling 100,000 minivans, it affect honda oddy sis built in alabama. replacement parts are not available until summer. one tech company can tracked moves and what they intend to do with it. marita davison is specializes in ecology and evolution. tonight, it looks like chicken, but it's not. the new meat substitute created from the lab gets the techknow taste test. >> that's our team.
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