than their white peers. >> those are the headlines, "consider this" is next. you can get the latest news on the website online. go to aljazeera.com. is there much hope for an undersea search to find the plane? plus as election in afghanistan capital. is the taliban growing stronger? a shocking report outlines how a control of our power grid could can plunge our country into darkness, weeks if not months. here's more on what's ahead. >> and a legal referendum has taken place at the barrel of

aokalashknikof. >> signing with the european union. >> all parties should refrain from provocative action he. >> there are over 200 families that are grieving and they want answers. >> nine people have been killed on a daring attack on kabul's most luxurious hotel. >> when electricity break down we break down everywhere else. >> what's important is to share modes of attack and times of attack so we is can protect ourselves as modes of society. >> we begin with the crisis in ukraine and the growing confrontation over economic sanctions with the u.s. and the european union on one side and russia on the other. friday saw dueling signing ceremonies. while russian troops continued

to confront ukrainian forces in crimea. and can ufng mo, vladimir putin, to russian are russia few hours earl yrl, signed the political side of an agreement that will bring ukraine closer to the european union. a trade deal that will complete that pact is scheduled to be signed after ukraine holds presidential elections in may. meanwhile, u.s. economic sanctions to punish russia, are taking effect. stock exchange in russia has plunged more than 10% in march, 2% today. visa and mastercard have stopped handling transactions for rusia bank. i'm joined by russ

matlock, author of and frr washington, d.c. i'm joined by jorn beenitez, a senior fellow at the brent scocroft international security institute. it is good to have you both with us, ambassador matlock i'll start with you. president obama has come under stiff criticism for what some have called toothless sanctions. is it fair to say the toothless sanctions are starting to have bite? >> frankly, i don't think this sanctions. first of all, right or wrong and there are many aspects that are wrong, russia is not going to give up crimea. and the sanctions are not going to bring that effect. the crucial thing is now, what's going to happen in ukraine?

can the ukrainians first of all and those who are working with them including the russians, eu and the u.s., help them put things together, so that they can move ahead, and have a viable government. but the real damage to russia is not going to be the western sanctions. it's the cost of the action itself. now, by taking crimea the way they did, they're creating real problems for themselves. economic, security, and also problems for the future. in many respects. among other things, they're going to find that the people in crimea are going to expect a very quick improvement in their living standards. that's probably not going to happen. they're going to have to pour a lot of money into that. at least as much as they poured into sochi for the olympics, to

get the infrastructure up. and you know, their action is going to create a more threat of terrorism around their borders. it is going to make other neighbors much more determined to come into nato. so russia is going to begin to feel the effects of their action, entirely aside from western sanctions. but i think the attention really now needs to be directat how to help the ukrain ians -- directed at how to help the ukrainians put their government together again. not a truly effective government and that's where our attention should be. >> now george do you agree with the ambassador? we've seen these sanction he against individuals tied to putin's circle and to a russian bank as well. do you think the sanction he are going to have any significant effect on russian?

>> i think the current sanctions are not strong enough and i don't think they'll have sufficient influence on putin's rubrubric, yes, the problem here crimea will be much more costly for the russian government to sustain in the long term but i think right now we need the focus on the message that is world. there are two dangerous things and two dangerous precedents that were set by putin's actions. one he used military force to change the borders of europe. he's used his military and the gun to seize the territory and land of one of his neighbors. and the second dangerous thing is he used a very dangerous precedent and logic to excuse this. he said he went in there to protect ethnic russians. there are millions of ethnic russians living outside the border. to use that is nearly not only scaring his neighbors not only

in central europe but central asia. will moscow now use its army and forces to intervene and take our territory and try to retake the ethnic russians living in our states? >> ambassador what's your reaction to what george said? as we said, russian troops on the border of ukraine, you were there when it was the soviet union, do you think vladimir putin is intending to extend his influence over his neighbors? >> he clearly wants to in some respect. and any russian leader would be sensitive to foreign military bases on the border. and i think it was a mistake in the west of having that goal, of perhaps bringing georgia and other cups into the european union. i don't think putin and other leaders could accept that.

the way the ukraine has been taken back has created an increasing increasing on the neighbors for protection. i would also point out that in a calmer world, it might have been possible to arrange very peacefully, of a changeover to russia if that's what crimeans wanted. in many ways ukraine is going to be better off without crimea if they can domicile kyle themselves to this. the problem was -- they can reconcile themselves to this. the way this is done by russia, whether there is any intent to use those methods elsewhere i'm not at all sure. >> we do have a number of nato members who certainly are feeling nervous. the ones that have borders with russia. and george we have leading senators marco rubio, john

mccain, crut criticizing the obama administration. should we? >> i think there are other steps we can take before we get to military aid but i do think option. i don't think it's pro involve tick for us to provide military aid, there was no crisis here before putin created one. there was no ethnic tensions in the ukraine, there was no violence going on. this is a crisis that was totally fabricateby moscow. and the necessitate owe allies are concerned. just today the russian foreign ministry talked about the ethnic russians in estonia. for the russians to talk about the type of intervention in estonia that we just saw in crimea. >> as the ambassador said, would

that not risk an escalation? >> but it's an escalation that is being done by moscow. not done by the nato allies or the united states. that's the problem with this. that is why i think we need to increase our sanctions. we are trying to act and deal with things very mildly and very diplomatically. every time we do that. key hear things about the ethnic russians inest toa estonia. >> ambassador. >> we would have gone up the wall, you know, if others put bases in mexico. we know what we did regarding cuba. so regardless of all the other arguments and one can argue both sides , it is simply not wise to think that this is essentially a matter that is going to be solved by military pressure.

i think it's unwise politically for us to get too involved with what is in effect at bottom a family dispute and i don't think that helps either side. >> can ambassador jack matlock, george benetez, thank you. >> thank you antonio. switching to the malaysia flight 370. on friday they had no luck finding two pieces of what could be aircraft debris that were detected by a satellite last sunday. australian prime minister tony abbott told reporters the search planes would be back. >> it is about the most inaccessible spot can you imagine on the face of the earth but if there is anything down there we will find it. >> a few more possible clues have surfaced. according to cnn american

investigators say chief pilot zaharie ahmed shah deleted files from his flight simulator after malaysian authorities said they were removed. the british newspaper telegraph shows nothing other than routine chatter shortly before communication he s ceased. the pilot took off the significance of that if any is not known. meanwhile the malaysian transport minister thanked the cungcountries for their help. secretary hagel said he'd update the minister in the future. i'm joined by mike williamson, a marine acoustic credit specialist, founder of williams

and associates, they specialize in deep sea searches for submarines and planes. the area that plane is being searched for, is not sow remote, it is deep. the depth of eight empire state buildings stacked on top of each other. with no nearby safe place to moor your ship from storms. >> actually, working at depth is not the problem. we have routinely worked at these depths for times. our equipment is rated at 6,000 meters of depth more like 20,000 feet. the problem is more like the weather and the poorly known conditions of where you would be searching. really doesn't make any sense to search until you have some idea of where the loss datum the point of impact would be and from there you could develop a search plan. >> i want to get to that in a

minute but also i want to talk to you about something you are familiar with. the malaysian minister is asking the navy for remotely operatevehicles for deep ocean salvage. what would you use if you did the job, how do your systems work and how long does it take you to get your underwater machines there? are. >> well, in a crisis situation most of this stuff can go by air. it usually goes by sea because it's big, heavy stuff. but time really isn't of the essence at this point for the deep water search with rovs and deep sonars because i think what we have is a little bit of a time crunch with the battery life on the pingers. but basically the pingers are very short range. and you're only going to hear them if you're almost on this

water depth almost directly above them. >> i've heard so much about the incredible acoustic capabilities of american submarines, so if the plane is in the ocean and the plane's black box is pinging you have to be at a very short distance to be able to detect it? >> yes, they are very low powered battery operatetransmitters. particularly in those conditions, you're going ohave routinely large away waves, breaking waves, bubble intrusion in the water and lots of am beend noise it -- ambient noise that makes it hard to hear those signals from those beacons. >> even underwater in a submarine? >> absolutely. >> the boxes have been underwater at least enough time to use up half of their power. if you don't have a clear idea

where the aircraft sank is there any chance you will ever find it if the black boxes switch off? >> actually, that's a good point point. the transponders in this situation probably the pingers aren't going to be useful in finding the wrerk unless dks wreck unless absolute luck allows somebody to credit happen upon them. without concrete evidence it's really difficult to even make any sense to start searching. >> so even if they find the debris and the debris is from the airplane, what will it be like to backtrack and figure out where the plane went down? because can't the debris go in all sorts of directions? i remember that famous case of the thousands of are uner ducks

that fell off of the ship in the pacific and currents took them all over the world. how easy will be it to figure out the currents and go backwards and find where that plane might be? >> well, it's possible however. and so if you can find wreck wreckage that is confirmed from that aircraft then it's quite possible to at least get a starting point. what we have now is really no starting point. the currents are very confused in that area. we have a general drift of about two knots going from west to east. but superimposed on that are all these gyres of much higher velocity. and the surface currents could be moving those debris in any direction. so back-calculating is going to be very difficult. >> so debris could go in all sorts of different directions. and it's a tremendous challenge, mike williamson good of you to

join us to explain just how difficult it will be. ness. coming up a resurgent taliban attacks in what was considered the most secure area of afghanistan. how strong is the taliban and our social media producer, hermela aregawi is tracking social media now. >> i'll tell you more coming up, also we'd like to hear from you throughout the show. you can join the consideration by tweeting to us @ajconsiderthis or posting on our facebook or google plus pages.

>> the taliban has again tabled a brutal attack in the heart of kabul. killing nine and wounding six others.

making their way into the serena hotel. this follows an attack in january on a kabul restaurant where 21 people were murdered. as afghanistan prepares for presidential elections in april to replace outgoing president hamid karzai, the taliban has vowed to disrupt the elections by any means necessary. these attacks in the capitol city raises important questions about afghanistan's ability to ensure its own security. joining us from washington, d.c, is michael o'hanlon, director of research for the foreign policy program at the brookings institution, his most recent book is healing the wounded giant, maintaining military preeminence while cutting the defense budget. michael, good to have you with us. and kabul has been on attack, 21 people were killed a few weeks ago, now nine at a very well protected hotel.

what did you see while you were there? how strong is the taliban? >> it's a great question. i was in kabul until about two hours before that attack and it was a very peaceful week. what you are struck by in kabul, if you are a person who's traveled in much of the developing world is kabul seems like a relatively poor city but a busy overcrowded teeming lively city. it is not barricaded the way that baghdad was during the worst of the violence in iraq. it is not a city that evades or sort of you know emanates fear. it's a city that seems to be going about its life. these attacks are targeted at the places where they are can calculated to do the most public relations damage. they are serious it is true and our hearts go out to all lives that are lost. but i have to say for most afghans, kabul

is a reflt relatively safe city. >> even if the city isn't that barricaded, the serena hotel is less than a mile from the presidential palace, it has multiple request security checkpoints. how could an attack have taken place in one of the most secure places in the country? >> thathat's a good question. the last big attack in the serena hotel they boofd up security after that -- beefed up security after that time. and they had a stretch of relatively stable ongoings. they have beefed up their protection against car bombs and weapons going in. apparently these were small weapons near the shoe area of the assail ant

assailants and evaded detection. some risk cannot be evaded and the fundamental issue here is in much of the country we're actually seeing improvements in security and the taliban are smart enough to know that creating a spectacular attack of this type in the media capital and political capitol of the country has a disproportionate effect on safety, for april 5th presidential poll, i hope not but it could. on balance it's a serious tragic thing but not indicative of the trent i don't think. >> the upcoming election in afghanistan, they are threatening those who might want to go out and vote. what is their goal? >> i think they would like to create the sense that the place

is going to fall apart, that 2 2014 would be a meaningless election, and there's no nato follow-on force and there's no legitimate president who follows on the steps of president karzai they can create a fear which lends to a visual spiral where the businesses and other people who keep the afghani cultural moving forward starts to depart the country. and create an imminent sense of defeat, which the taliban created in the mid 1990s. i don't think they'll succeed, they are forcing a military force 400 strong who was responsible for tracking down the serena assail ants last night. and doing a major job of keeping the streets safe in the country. they'll try. in this traditional year.

>> -- in this transitional year. >> he's also allowed releases of prisoners that were accused of being members of the taliban. so instead of appeasing the taliban could that be emboldening them? >> well, i do disagree with those specific decisions by president karzai but i hesitate to say that he's part of the problem. certainly many americans find his actions disrespectful, but i actually want to avoid piling gasoline on the fire. i think we get into these spats with president karzai and we start disagreeing with each other too much in public. we are allies in this war and most of what he's doing i'm convinced is in his own mind at least out of concern for well-being of the country. i do have a lot of disagreements with his specifics, and i don't want to blame him for state of violence and i don't think he should blame us for sense of

violence. the pakistan taliban is the real concern. within the alliance we are shona na shona as the afghans say, shoulder to shoulder, and we have to keep that solidarity going forward. >> if the americans end up leaving that might make the taliban lose even more steam because they have been so focused on getting the americans out of there. is there a chance as the government is supposed to hold on to 93% of the country at this point that the taliban is ripe for compromise? >> well, the taliban, we're going to test that theory because nato is going to draw down its force he by a grand total of at least 90% -- forces by a grand total of at least 90%. the forces are either here or not, they will try that. but the coalition forces will be far less visible next year, in

fact they are already far less visible. we'll see if the taliban's need to push out the so-called infidels, if that really works with the parch can afghan population. the formidable fighting hard for their country they are losing several thousand people a year but they're still able to recruit enough to make the streets of kandahar much safer than they were three years ago, to make kabul still safer than it was just three years ago, to make mazari ri slifsri sharif safer. >> the book is healing the wounded giant. here. >> thank you very much. a programming note, al

jazeera freelance journalist embedded with the group of the taliban. the films embedded on that, fault lines, were scheduled to air here on al jazeera america this friday night and next friday march 28th. because of the attack in kabul the local afghanistan press corps has called for a boycott of the taliban, saying the group commits these crimes to get coverage. the al jazeera will delay the airings until april 3 and 11th. ab abu dhabi sectarianism and terrorism that has afflicted the muslim world for decades. joining us now is ed hussein, sr

senior fellow, are u.s. policy towards the middle east. his recent article published in the national one cleric's role on radicals is the hope for moderate islam is his reflection on that trip to the crns. >> great to hear about that conference. why had something like this never happened before? >> firstly can the many if i may, are congratulate you and al jazeera america for covering this. this was an important event that took place inside the muslim country, without the presence of western conference. not to demean western cameras. my point was this wasn't playing to the gallery, this was a genuine heart felt overdue conversation among muslims. that had to happen in a place, i think emirates is somewhat neutral in the political makeup of the country and therefore

hosted by the government there without interference. and with the credit of the foreign minister they said they would not interfere and did not. that was a level of freedom that allowed muslim from all backgrounds to come around and to convene and discuss what's of deep importance to muslims on a daily basis. >> you think the problem was there wasn't an environment in which that could happen until now? >> the environment was one element but the key aspect of the convenor of this event, sheik abdalla ben bella, a 78-year-old muslim theologian, he has the convening power of calling muslim leaders, religious leaders to come to abu dhabi to address the theological

theological, the theo-politics if you like, him and his are theology, he has been teaching for 60 years himself. so it was him as the driver and the atmosphere made available to him in the emirates that made it happen. >> and in fact you said you were reluctant when you first thought of going until you heard he was the person convening it. is there really a conversation going on between the more moderate majority and the extremists? >> there's a conversation but that conversation needs to be wider. it's an indirect conversation at the moment. many of these people came, muftis of egypt, pakistan, tens of millions of followers were there so when they go back to their countries and address their large crowd, whether it's the friday mosque prayers or through their offices, they have

the response a that comes from e extreme is and radicals, what we saw was the mufti from afghanistan, who said, we should dialogue and convince the opposing side, because let's face them, the gentlemen, 250 combined, represent the vast majority of muslims and 1,000 years of scholarship. and i saw this happen repeatedly had a theological and philosophical tools to underpin -- to undermine the al qaeda narrative and win this argument. >> right. >> and this is what's required at this point at this juncture -- >> to have these important people go back to where they come from and get this message out. you wrote that the prophet mohamed believed in compromising if necessary, that peace is what needed to be achieved before you could go forward. and you said that al qaeda is a direct result of misinterpreting muslim scripture and

exploiting contemporary muslim politics. >> yes, this is a mixture of the conspiracy theory or the grievances that they have, genuine political grievances. what do they want to do with them? they resort to unjustified violence killing nent people in the process in order to pursue what they consider to be their rights, their legitimate rights. but what sheik abdalla said, you extreme is claim to believe in the prophet mohamed, we don't believe in you as a prophet, remove that from your clauses, he did that, in other words, he undermined his own office of prophecy and he undermined his definition of god, the very raison detre if you like.

while al qaeda and their supporters tend to undermine and not understand correctly, indeed his own grandson, who was legitimate heir to the califate, al qaeda's fight is about political authority and sheik ben baya shows us it's peace and security that matters more than ensuring our political rights. >> good to have you here and have you bring this to us. >> thank you. >> time to credit see what's trending. hermella. >> turkish courts ban twitter in the country and it back fired. turkey's prime minister who is in the midst of a scandal,

talking about hiding are large sums of money spread like wildfire on social media. the prime minister has insisted the record beings are -- recordings are fake. ironically the number of tweets in turkey went up 138% since the ban. the blue line is the tweets before the site was blocked and the red is after. turkish officials said, agreed to block specific content when requested by turkish courts. naturally twitter tweeted their response by saying, rely on twitter as a vital communication platform. what the u.s. would do if obama's secret phone calls were shown on twitter. the prime minister is fighting a losing battle, it shows us he's under pressure. you can read more at the

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attack on our power grid trigger a coast to coast blackout? according to a wall street journal report, a report exposes an alarming threat to the electric system. the study indicated that coordinated attacks to as many as nine substation could leave our country in the dark for weeks if not months. kurt hebert, now a partner at the brunini law firm. good to have you with us kurt. we've discussed on different occasions just how real these are. last year, unknown attackers fires into a pg&e substation in northern california. office buildings are more guarded than that, is there

enough security at substations? >> well antonio, that is a good question. and as you look at this, there are distribution centers which are smaller centers and there are some which are more important which have the alarmer-type transformerrers that you talked about in the metcalf center there, there are more the of those in the united states. exactly how much security has to be at these facilities, what are the risks involved and what are the costs that are involved? because at the end of the day, the customers have to pick up those costs. so that is a material question as we look at exactly what the decisions need to be around these facilities. >> now an energy department deputy assistant secretary who was briefed on this study responded by saying that electric systems are designed to be resilient. and it would be difficult for attackers to disabled many locations. they are talking in this report about nine locations that would need to be disabled in order for

there to be these massive blackouts. are they underestimating the possibility of the attacks? >> well, i think they're accurate when they say it would be difficult. but the question is, when you say it's difficult, does that mean it's impossible? no, it's not impossible. so we need to do the best job that we can to keep a reliable grid. because we know how catastrophic it is when the lights go out. whether it's from something like this where you had someone shoot holes in a transformer, oil leaked out and the lines went down, or you had storms, hurricanes or earthquakes, we are protecting against all harms and all risks. >> in that san jose case it took forever for there to be response to what was going on. the federal regulatory commission responded to that wall street journal report by saying the journal has declined to identify by name particularly critical substations throughout

the country. while there may be value in a general discussion of the steps we take to keep the grid safe, the sensitive material about the grid crosses the line from transparency to irresponsibility and gives those who would do us harm a road map to achieve malicious designs. what do you think of that response? >> well, i have to commend the ferc for going out and grabbing hold and taking some action and moving forward. now whit comes to sharing of -- when it comes to sharing of information, understanding who is in control of this and who needs to have the information. now, releasing the information is a separate matter and there's no reason for everyone to know what are these critical pieces of infrastructure. when it comes to the electric grid. but there are some people within the government, within the utility industry that must know this and we must communicate it fluidly, quickly and often. we saw with the blackout of

2003, it took us almost a year to understand it was olimb and squirrel involved -- a limb and a squirrel involved that 50,000 people lost their power. that's ridiculous, we can do much better than that. >> and some utility companies agreed to make some improvements. when you start talking about that kind of money it's the point you were making earlier. even if that were enough it's an awful lot of money. have. >> antonio, it is a lot of money and actually on the national scale if you look at what the united states is planning to do from the utility sector, you've got about 500,000 miles of lines that you kind of have to spend money on protect against make sure you have resiliency. and they're going to spend about $7 billion by the year 2020. that's a lot of money and we know who pays for that. so we need to make certain that

the proper decisions maird when it comes -- made when it comes to spending that money and the proper risks are mitigated when it comes to that money. >> what issues should be done? >> in a recent report we sent out talking about we need to make certain there are certain standards in place. the information-sharing is absolutely critical. we need to make certain we've got the proper sneives for the industry making sure the money is spent in the proper location and we need to make certain there's a plan when we do have an event. the best time to make the plan is not in the middle of and event. the best time to make a plan is to make it now, and therefore we can keep harm from coming our way, we can keep the lights on and it may cost us a little money but we need to do it prudently and we're very good at that here. >> kurt hebert, appreciate you joining us. thank you.

>> thank you antonio. >> coming up march madness, while millions of dollars are change hands should some of that be going into the pockets of players? we beam up a happy birthday wish to captain kirk and look at star trek the industry.

>> today's data dive goes where no man has gone before. almost no man.

saturday marks william shatner 's 82nd 82nd birthday . star trek's captain will always be james ty we're yu tie tee ty ca tiberius kirk. played by patrick stewart in star trek the next generation. but there's no doubt shatner helped spawn a major industry. star trek convention are believed to have started in 1969 in newark and they grew quickly. only three years later, 3,000 fans attended a convention in new york. now there are multiple

multimillion dollar convention a year, trekies kc ies can be obsessive. there are even star trek dating sites. the show is seen more than 100 countries, it has been translated into dozens of languages, it has inspired books, comic books, magazines. star trek alone, you can see why shatner embraced star trek later in life, after some initial luns. overall, the entire franchise has generated more than $100 billion of revenue. , paid in more than scholarships? is that taking student out of

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take a new look at news. >> is the massive money made by the ncaa clear evidence that college sports is unfair to college athletes? as march madness began to grip the country last week, the lawsuit claims coaches and administrators are legally make big money while restricting athletes' earning potential. for more let's bring in dave zyron sports editor of "the

nation" and author of the book "game over." dave, march madness is huch busineshugebusiness for the nca. that makes it absolutely egregious. >> march madness is part of a $10 billion television contract for ncaa. that is 90% of the operating budget for the ncaa in a given year. think with that for a second. that means the president of the ncaa mark emert his $2 million salary, his 14 vice presidents each of whom make six figures up to 4 to $500,000 a year, most of their salary comes from that. if they would be willing to exercise it, all it would take before the final four if they took off their sneakers on center court and

said, let's go to the negotiating table, they would have the ncaa by the short hairs. >> the debate has raged for years and we've seen them pretty much the challenges to all this go nowhere because the usual argumentative accumulate is that student these get a free education. >> absolutely right. these debates have been raging since the beginning of college can athletics. men's football and men's basketball, what's different is that they are a victim now of their own success. there is so much money in the sports right now and so much pressure on these so-called student athletes to travel thousands of miles during the week to play these games for the big television contracts,

that there is an absolute storm brewing among athletes, former and current. we've seen students organize a union and demand recognition. going on a wildcat strike saying we're not going to play unless some of our demand are met as well -- demands are met as well. former player from west virginia named sean austin. for too many players it's too ridiculous. mike chechevski makes $7 million a year before shoe endorsements. >> very, very few are able to play professionally and make any money from it.

>> the numbers are gruesome, less than 1% of players in division 1 ncaa play in the professional leagues. credit in the the scholarships are not four years. the scholarships are one-year scholarships that exist at the pleasure of the coaches. you could have a 4.0 gpa or class president, but if there is a change and you are not fulfilling your obligations on the field, you are out of there. >> price fixing having these rules that don't allow schools to or more money to players, what would you like to see? that schools would actually negotiate and say hey, player x you get so much money, player y you get this much money?

>> well, there's the magic wand i would like to see and the reality of what i'd like to see. the magic wand of what i would like to see is the nba and nfl to pony up their own money. why credit are you going to college, if you have the skills to make it at 18? learn your trade and then play then at the top levels after that instead of taking a classroom spot from somebody who might actually want to be there. the reality of the situation is, even though that's being discussed that's not what we're going to see in the short term, plain spoken and basic, have the scholarships actually exist for four years. guarantee medical attention, break the cartel of the nba, where players can get compensation and be compensated

and so the ncaa can't work like tony soprano. >> during the summer, there are all sorts of limitations of what they can do. the problem though, the devil in the details is usual because, if basketball players and football players ended up getting paid, i know you're talking about just guaranteeing those scholarships. if they end up getting paid, what happens to the nonrevenue sports? those people are working hard there and you have the title 9 issues, what about women's sports there's a total imbalance. >> the idea is that the money is there. that's what we have to focus on. it's not all the situation where everybody's cash-strapped. it's a situation where like the lawsuit says, you have a small minority of people getting paid a ton. when you have college coaches make literally millions of dollars a year, when you have

ncaa signing billions of dollars of contracts with espn, when they pay hundreds of millions of dollars to administrators making sure they're compliant, you see the money is there. there's got to be a way for people who produce revenue to if someone is on a wheaties box, let them go on a wheaties box. >> dave zyron, thank you for being with the show may be over but the conversation continues. on our facebook or google plus pages. this is the 900 page document we call obama care. it could change costs coverage and pretty much all of health care in america. well, my show sorts this all out. in fact, my staff has read the entire thing. which is probably more then most

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