officials continue the search for a 9-year-old swept away in a flash flood. those are the headlines. "consider this" with antonio mora is up next. you can get the latest news online at aljazeera.com. >> are we seeing another russian power grab in ukraine. ukraine's prime minister claims moscow is orchestrating the seizure of government buildings in the country. did the taliban's threat of violence harm afghan elections. is syria's civil war leading to an outbreak of polio spreading beyond its borders. >> why are latinos doing better than african-americans. >> i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". here is more on what is ahead.

. >> pro-russian protesters seized government buildings in three cities in eastern ukraine. >> there are strong evidence to suggest some protesters were paid. >> this is nearly the same playbook we saw in crimea. >> the elections mark an important step forward in the first democratic transition of power. >> polls are being counted to see who will succeed president hamid karzai. >> we don't know who won. we know that the taliban lost. >> clashes between protesters and police in venezuela's capital, hours after opposition leader was formally charged with inciting violence at a government rally. >> we begin with serious unrest in ukraine since russia annexed crimea. hundreds of pro-russian demonstrators in donetsk declared they would follow

crimea's lead to leave ukraine and urged vladimir putin to send peace-keeping troops to the region to assist them. donetsk is one of three areas where there are calls for a referendum. the acting president vowed to resist measures to dismember his country, but with the troops on the boarder, it looks like russia is ready to take aggressive action. moscow is paying some of the protesters. >> what is clear is this is a result of increased russian pressure on ukraine. and we see it in the troops that have massed on the border, and there is strong evidence suggesting some of these demonstrators were paid and were not local residents. >> russian foreign minister sergei lavrov warned in an pan piece on monday that it's been the west that has been needlessly whipping up fence and

cooperation is needed or chaos may take hold. the white house warned that any overt or covert russian move into eastern ukraine could trigger another round of tougher sanctions. we are joined by william courtney, who served as an ambassador, and a fellow of the foreign policy in new york city, her latest book is "the lost journey into the gulag of the russian mind." >> ambassador, you have warned that this might not end with crimea, that russia will want more and after the unrest ukraine sent some of the security forces into donetsk after russia had warned them not to. it seems like the situation in eastern ukraine is developing into a powder keg. >> yes, that's correct. with 40,000 russian forces

mobilized on the border of ukraine, they have been at a high state of alert for a couple of weeks. you can't keep troops in a high state of alert for very long. it's true that the troops have sustaining capabilities, like field hospitals. they are there for activity that will be pretty large. what will be different now though than the crimean situation, where the russians have tactical surprise, this time there'll be resistance from the ukrainians. >> an oped piece in forbes said that this is all part of a coordinated attack on putin's part, that he started a covert destabilising of eastern ukraine by paying some of the forces and getting people to invade the buildings, but they have also been, for the last few week, doing an economic destabilization by cutting back contracts, so people are losing their jobs. do you agree that that is what

is doing on? >> absolutely. they are not only cutting contracts, but they are jacking up the prices of oil and gas to ukraine. it's more and more expensive. we know that the government, the kiev government is a very poor one. they need a lot of financial support, and so russia is making sure that where it can, it will weaken the government, and destabilize it. i'm not sure that we immediately should be ready for military actions, but destabilizations before the may 26th elections is a big part of the vladimir putin's agenda. >> the peace argues that once the covert phases are over, the obvious ert phase will begin, and troops will come in to help the breth ren as they did in crimea, because the same thing will happen, the russians in eastern ukraine will say "things are terrible for us, we are being discriminated against",

and putin will use it as an excuse to move in. >> interesting distinction. russia may be three fifths of the population, in the three regions of ukraine, where the provocateurs and sab tours are stirring up unrest. russians are the minority. they were 40% of the population. so the russians are the minority. it is a significant minority. >> and the ukrainian foreign ministery said if they do send the troops in, they'll send troops to fight. do you think they can get to that? >> i hope they mean it. i hope the western support that is promised will come to fruition. if putin is declare war, that has to be - we talk numerous teems, bullies cannot be allows

loud to bully. he hasn't been able to work his magic, mystique, tough actions should be a response to possible actions on the part of the kremlin. >> talking about fighting back against a bully, the white house can check a warship to the black sea, there's fear, the czech president said on sunday if russia decides to extend territorial expansion, that "the fun is over", and he says n.a.t.o. should be called in. what is n.a.t.o.'s role? >> secretary hagel said that it's possible that army combat brigade team might be sent back to europe. probably that should go into

poland. the u.s. warship in the black sea should go towards odessa. if the russians invade the eastern ukraine, they are likely to use the black sea fleet to take control of the odessa port that ukraine has. the warship should be there for deterrence from taking control of the odessa port. >> do you think there'll be a referendum. the numbers don't favour the russians, it's crucial for ukraine, especially in the situation they are at. a lot of ukraine's industrial output is in the east. i think it is possible that there'll be a referendum. the talk of the referendum may be a way to bring back the ousted president. the president who fled ukraine, viktor yanukovych, because he

was silent for a while and has been speaking a lot about how he will support ukraine, bring back crimea, and that could be a trade off. it will take viktor yanukovych as part of the federation, and somehow be able to negotiate russian traps stepping out of ukraine. that could be sort of a long-term, somewhat long-term strategy of the kremlin. >> i only have about 30 seconds left, secretary of state john kerry says he'll meet with diplomats from russia, ukraine and the e.u. is anything going on in the negotiations. >> the next 10 days could be late. the russians, if they move in fewer than 10 days, right now the issue is deterrence. they lost an opportunity to provide defensive antitank and defense weapons, now the west needs to take stronger action to deter russia. >> i see nina nodding her head.

good to have you both on the show. we look forward to having you back. >> after 12 years of war, and frequent taliban attacks, afghanistan held what most observers say was a very successful election on saturday. according to the officials, as many as 7.5 million afghans, 16% of the 12 million eligible voters passed boll ots. taliban claimed they made thousands of attacks and killed dozens of voters. security says that was a gross exaggeration. most voters sensed a relief. a sense that a more peaceful, stable afghanistan might be on the horizon. >> for more i'm joined by an independent journalist who has written on central asia,

incluting "the atlantic", and "rolling stone", and is going to receive a poke award for "the 18 killings." that's a great honour. thanks for being here. >> thank for having me. >> is this a victory for afghans and the american war effort. >> certainly it would be a positive development. it's too erty to say. in previous elections it took weeks to get the results in. the figure is coming from - it was announced the eve of the election day. they couldn't have a clear idea of how many voted. >> you were covering the elections, you were in the west of kaboom, what did you -- kabul, what did you see then. >> there's a growing divide rely live di secure and better development, and the rural areas

racked by violence and poverty. 75% of the population lives in the areas, it's an important story. we wanted to get outside the capital. that's where most foreigners are restricted. the province was violent, full of taliban, straddling the highway in the country. there we saw almost no voter turn out in the safer areas. we went to the secure areas there was ballot stuffing, places were there couldn't be proper monitoring. >> so a different picture than to the capital. >> like the 2009, 2010 officials. >> and lower levels of voter turn out. back then we are talking about less than 40%. the statistics are problematic because, for example, in 2009, 5.6 million votes were cast, but

a million were thrown out because ofs fraud. >> do you think if probic estimates hold true, it could be a turning point. >> that's been used in afghanistan. it's a messy and long road to democracy for the afghans. >> the 2009 elections were marred by significant fraud. already virtually all the main candidates are talking about fraud, including abdullah abdullah. who was the man who lost the 2009 election to hamid karzai. even though, apparently, the reports are that he's doing better than anyone else, especially in kabul where more votes had been counted. what do you say - actually, abdullah abdullah has not talked about fraud, but his running mate has. >> i think what you will see, the way the afghan election works, if no one gets 6% of the vote, it goes to a run off.

>> if the two leading candidates are faced with a run off, they'll be happy, and the issue of fraud will not be too big. >> the other top candidate, zalmai rassoul, hamid karzai's favourite candidate - he will probably not be happy. his strong hold, the pashtun areas, there may have been issues there. >> yes, some of the areas that were more likely to support him. but russell's funny. there has been a lot of speculation that he didn't want to be in the election. he ran an enthusiastic campaign. i don't think he had a fight in him to try to contest if a count is in favour of abdullah abdullah. >> what kind of difference will it make depending on who wins for the united states. >> both candidates have said that they'll sign the bilateral security agreement to keep american forces in the country. >> hamid karzai refused to sign.

>> there's going to be a bit of a reset with whatever candidate gets in, there's a lot of deeper problems, but there's a question of who is sitting in the presidential palace, and they will sour the relationship. >> the debate as to how much disruption the taliban caused, some say there was nothing, the taliban saying they conducted 1,000 separate attacks, what do you think the truth is. we had completely differing opinions on the show from experts and said the taliban is on the rise, or the taliban is weaker. where do you see the truth? >> in terms of election day there are reports from the rural areas. there's a high level of violence. that being said the taliban didn't launch major attacks in the city, and i don't think they did want to disrupt the selections. you never saw pressure on the

campaigns, they never attacked in the big rallies. they used the high profile of the elections to attack foreigners in the capital. and continuing a general program of creating insecurity. >> the attack on the sareena hotel in kabul, and the attack on journalists, who i am sure you knew, the other day. >> what do you see happening, if you are looking at your crystal ball. what will happen? >> my crystal ball says shake again. >> i think you'll see a relatively smooth transition with whoever wins. none of the candidates will upset - tip the boat. as my friend in kabul put it, they have a stake. the part of the country is elite and they have a stake. >> they'll be able to hold the taliban down. >> where we went a lot of areas are controlled by militias.

a lot are former taliban. we were with former taliban commanders, supported by the american military special forces. >> there has been a lot of that. >> exactly. they stuffed ballots and threatened candidate. these people will turn against the state if it's in their interests to do so. the biggest threat is not the taliban, but a proliferation of armed groups, and criminal economy backed by opium. it threatens the viability of the state. so many issues there. let's hope for the best. thank you for coming in and talking to us about it. >> my pleasure. >> an update on a story we've tracked for months. monday marked 100 days since three journalists were detained in eget. the trial of mohamed fadel fahmy, mohammed badr, and peter greste is due to continue thursday. abdullah abdullah, the fourth al

jazeera journalist in detention has been prisoned without trial since august. after 77 days on hunger strike his health is deteriorating. media companies around the world talked with al jazeera, standing in unison, holding signs that reads journalism is not a crime. al jazeera rejects all the charges against its journalists and demands their release. >> coming up, violence in venezuela gets uglier as officials ask for application after pro-government vigilantes attack students on campus. >> a polio case in iraq following an outbreak in syria sparks fears of an epidemic. >> and harmeli aregawi is tracking the stop store joys yn the web. >> a grand honey maker got comments over an ad featuring gay and lesbian couples and they

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>> turning to the unrest in venezuela. officials at one of the oldest, largest universities in the western hemisphere called on president nicolas maduro to help protect the students. >> translation: tie down your thugs. do what you must. >> the head of the central

university was responding to the attacks, carried out thursby pro -- thursday by provigilantes. students were stripped and beaten. guards stood by. the students have been rallying and protesting. the school has been invaded at least 10 times by armed vigilantes. joining us from caracas. a weekly columnist from a widely circulated independent newspaper. he is a fellow and a former director of policy in caracas. good to have you back. why are school officials bothering to call for president nicolas maduro's hep. has he made it clear he supports

the thugs and has no issue with them harassing the protesters. >> thank you. in a wide sense, yes. they are an important part of nicolas maduro's plan or way of keeping in power. essentially a reason that the middle class neighbourhoods and upper class neighbourhoods have been a focal point is because in a lot of lower class neighbourhoods there's a fear of collect ivos if any people don't support the government takes to the streets. as a result, nicolas maduro has incentivized to not act too brashly. at the same time. he has an excuse not to do so, because the university is autonomous. the national government can't send guards or policemen there. >> it's happened on a few

occasions. it gives you a reason not to do so now. >> outside the university, how bad is the situation regarding food and basic goods. you voted pictures. prices have skyrocketed. >> i think it depends on who you ask. the government has made a case that the long lines outside of grocery stores and places selling wholesale and bulk are a sign that the economy working and people have time to spend. mismanagement - price controls - has caused a shortage of basic goods, to the extent that because of rationing where people are allowed to take a certain number of goods from the supermarket at a certain time. as a result of that, people go to the supermarketing groups and check out as individuals.

this means there are more people checking out, counting their money, and the lines get longer and longer and longer. >> to a point in which you have people hiding basic goods inside the grocery store, hoping they can come back later and get them. you have people filling shopping carts with good. they can't pay for all of it, but they wait for the goods in the cart so they can call their friends. it's an inefficient system, and having a cost on the lives of ordinary venezuela. >> the economic mess extends to all different levels. the world economic forum found venezuela was dead last in respect for property rights and diversion of public funds. basically government corruption, is that a big reason behind the economic chaos. >> i think that's a question,

antonio. essentially you have a situation in which the culture of impunity built up by the government over years, decades, and as a result the government is trying to put out fears and not investing in what is going to be good for the country tomorrow, but in trying to preserve credibility and options for the moment, for today. in that sense it makes a lot of sense thinking that way, that if they are having trouble with an outside company, you nationalize their practice, their enterprise, if you have a crisis internally with corruption, you end up ignoring it. because you don't want to take the black eye, even if it means more credibility for the government. that causes a loss of faith, and affects investors from all walks of life. >> it was reported that nicolas

maduro was to sit with the opposition. venezuela's conference of bishops came out and accused him. seeking totalitarian rule. will that complicate peace talks. >> i don't think it will complicate them, i don't think there would have been a likely scenario in which the vatican could play that type of role. the government in offering that as a possibility knew that. the vatican has a lot of credibility in venezuela, and it is unusual, given that most of the institutions and organizations that predated the rise here has found out of favour and are seen as desgraced or obsolete. the vatican is an exception. the government has, since the days of chavez, taken a lot of unpopular moves towards the vatican, which made relations between the two sticky at best. in 2010 chaff referred to the

clenchy as trovladites and interviewed in the ways that jesuit schools are able to control their own curriculums. there has been a tense relationship with the church. having the church agree to make a move to negotiate in a way that would legitimize the government was going to be very, very unlikely. and the government knew it going in. it's a way of seeming proactive and not being called to act for the promises. >> john kerry asking for the administration calling for action from the u.s. we'll see what happens on that front. good of you to join us. >> a mass polio vaccination is under way in syria and iraq targetting 20 million children after the vir awes affected a young -- virus affected a young boy in iraq.

it was app outbreak called the most challenging. a big concern is that the terrible infectious disease could be spread through the middle east by syrian refugees, i had a chance to speak to chris, the senior scientist for polio eradication for the world health organisation. he visited a syrian refugee camp. there's not been a case in syria sips 1989. now we have not only these cases in syria, but a 6-year-old near baghdad. how concerned are you that this could spread? >> it represents a serious risk. and we have a polio outbreak in an area free of polio for more than 10 years, coming in the middle of an emergency, effectively where health services had broken down in syria. certainly in some parts of the country there was no immunization services or few

offered. on top of that there was extensive population movements occurring as part of the crisis. there's a significant issue of spread. there are close to 3 million refugees that poured into other countries in the middle east. there was a million in lebanon. you recently visited a rev any camp in jordan. how dangerous is the possibility. >> i think the camps are pretty well serviced in the different countries, they are between the host governments and the united nations commission on refugees. the camps are set up pretty well. probably a bigger challenge from the camps is whether the syrian refugees in the neighbouring countries are in the camps. they are in the general

population. it's that - both are large numbers of the refugees. and the fact that they are intending to be dispersed through the host countries. it increases the risk. >> there has been a massive vaccination campaign. 22 million children have been vaccinated. has that happened quickly enough. i think that's what we all have. i have to say, it was pretty rapid response even by the standards of the global polio program, which i think is, over the years, become good at dealing with outbreaks in polio-free areas. many countries that had not had to do a polio campaign for some time, had not had to worry about polio for some time. to get everyone to gear up and get the huge campaigns rolled out, targetting the large numbers of kids. that was something, i think,

that is a credit to the governments, that country managed to put the response together. >> the problem in syria is reaching children in areas of active conflict and as many as 800,000 kids may not be able to be vaccinated. >> it's very difficult to put a number on the number of kids - the children we can't reach. because of the nature of the conflict, population movements and the way the conflict itself is moving from area to area, it can be hard to be precise about where children are when we are not reaching them, how many of them there are. >> it's fair to say from our point of view we consider that in all likelihood there's hundreds of thousands of children that we don't reach. they don't necessarily need to be the same children for every immunization round, but it's in that frame. >> polio requires various rounds of immunization.

we hope it doesn't keep spreading. if it does, how big a concern is it that a disease that's been eradicated in large parts of the world, including america, could spread behind the middle east, especially the environment where some parents choose not to vaccinate kids. >> if there's a case of polio anywhere in the world, it's a risk for the rest of the world. we are close to having zero cases, to having no polio left anywhere in the world. when i was in my early 20s, anywhere between 300,000 and 500,000 people a year were paralysed or killed by polio, and it's an enormous and dramatic change in the space of the last 30 years. but that change, that situation we are in now is quite fragile. we do have the risk that circulation of virus in the middle east will lead to a

spread of violence to other countries outside. we could end up with polio violence in other parts of the world. >> measles. some operate in the united states, also because of a lack of vaccination, is that a concern to the middle east? >> very much so. particularly in the setting of syria. particularly in refugee settings. the kids are more vulnerable, less well nourished. prone to other infectious diseases. measles is a threat in those circumstances. chris, thank you for joining us, and best of luck with those efforts. >> time to see what is trending, let's check in with harmeli aregawi. >> a honey maker double downed on a controversial add it released, featuring gay and lesbian families and challenges the definition of whole some. >> no matter how things change,

what makes us whole some, and forever will - honeyman. every day whole some snacks for every whole some family. >> like other companies that presented gay and interracial families, honey made, a brand of nabisco received backlash. they released a video showing two artists they hired rolling up the negative comments and gluing them together to make the word love. >> they received ten times as men comments decorating the space around love. the point is love is the only thing that matters when it comes to family, not race or sexuality. and here: >> and this comment: >> on the other support there

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compete. >> the u.s. economy may be

turning around. for some groups more than other. the national urban league released the annual report on the state of african-americans, lagging behind whites and his panics when it comes to jobs. unemployment for blacks was 13% compared to 9% for his panics and 6.5 for whites. underemployment twice as bad for blacks and whites, what hispanic underemployment not much better. i'm joined by the president and c.e.o. of national league. great to have you. this is a tremendous achievement. the amount of information in the book is astonishing. >> it's a big report. what i point out that is different is we have information on 18 american cities. the unemployment comparison, median income for 80 cities is in the book. in the past we only had national

data. that creates a chance for people to see what is happening in the areas. >> across the board, general wellbeing. that's one of the things that raises my question. when it comes to education, high school drop-out rates, it's plunged or the past couple of decades. how does it explained the lagging numbers when it comes to employment. you've. >> you've got to point to a variety of factors. the continued existence of discrimination in the work place, that blacks and latinos and women face. that's a factor that is involved. secondly, we've got to not only increase the high school graduation rate. we've got complete the matriculation rates. education is a way to improve

economic outcomes. i think if there's a sort of a lense to which i hope people look through the report, it's that in the post success environment the communities of colour are not coming back as past. >> the rebound is slower. >> we need continued stimulation. we can't rest with where we are. >> you look at the overall equality index, and that shows equality for black americans have 76% of whites. social justice, education, health across the board. what other than information can lead you to close the gap. >> what can lead us to close the gap is business formation, asset building, home ownership.

the president's affordable care act will help to close the gap. but i want to say that for washington, particularly the congress to continue to shine in workforce and infrastructure is not the way to go. this obsession with extreme austerity is damaging the ability of the economy to create more jobs. >> really, you are on the side of more spending is necessary from the government. >> i kind of believe that more investment and more incentives from the government. it's a combination of things. we are spending, but we spend 50% of our discretionary budgets on the military. we need to bring some of those dollars home. >> you said that it is an centring support, how you did go across the country, different

cities and what happened, and you found in some cities blacks and whites are comparable. in some cities, his panics are doing better. it seems to me hard to come up with patterns. the blacks are doing worst in the rust belt. >> everyone is taking a hit in the rust belt. >> everyone is doing badly. >> african-americans were heavily vested in manufacturing and in the industrial companies that made the rust belt the quote unquote. when those economies, the building of automobiles and refrigerators and vaccual cleaners and home appliances begin to decline, it's affected african-americans in a material way. the disparities that exist exist in almost every american city.

they may be narrower. let's be cautious. >> it's not so much that african-americans are doing better, whites may be doing worse. >> it's a comparative analysis. i encourage people to get the book and look up your home town. >> the information is certainly there. the book looks at household income. black homeserb about 34,000, that was the median, his panics more than 40,000, and whites more than 56,000. there was an anomaly that i noticed which is that black males have a higher median income than white males. white females have a higher income than hispanic females. why are hispanic households doing better than black households. >> it may be that there are some households doing so well that

they drive up the number. when we look at median income, it's a median. it could mean that the community is maybe doing worse. some are doing well. that's why you see significant disparities in some communities. they have a great wealth. it drives up the top of the numbers. >> it is one thing i did not see addressed there, which is could it be that there's more single parents, households, in the african american community. >> that's a significant factor. there are more single-parent households in the african american community, therefore there's only one bread winner. >> i know that's something that concerns you. it affects the outcome of families and children. we have to be candid with ourselves. all the factors that effect and

create the problem are not simply the spolenty of government -- responsibility of government to fix. we have responsibilities in our community. we have things that we have to do, but we can't allow this sort of false debate on whether government policies of parental responsibility alone. we think it takes a variety of things and a variety of steps multiple initiatives to address the challenges. >> i know you point out that this is important for everybody because in a matter of years white children will not be the maj city. blacks are more optimistic about the future. >> african-americans have been,

i think - we understand the difficult times in the past. the path to progress, a struggle by forefathers and mother. there's an eternal optimism. let's not mistake this fact. it is important because the country is changing demographically. what we have to do is address the idea that a country of great prosperity, a country of great wealth, a county of great ingenuity in innovation that the united states represents, has to be able to ensure that that is spread and that opportunity provide upward mobility for everyone. >> that's the large question for the united states. underlying the report, i hope that's what people take away from it. >> let's hope the optimism is well-founded. the state of black america, one nation underemployed. >> nul.org, read them for free

or buy the book. >> good to have you with us as always. >> coming up, should it make a difference if an athlete is an amateur or a pro. the olympics stopped caring. is it the time to do the same in college. >> first, bubbles in real estate and tech stocks. we'll track the rise and fall of the bubble in bowling. data dive is next.

>> today's data dive follows the boom and bust of bowling. the atlanta looked at the bowling bubble in america. dutch settlers brought it here in the sf00s, but it -- 1600s,

but it caught op in the 1950, and '60, thanks to technology, the automatic pin setter. business owners thought they had a great game and bowling alleys doubt. the number of americans in bowling leagues shot up from 3 million to 7 million. the 1988 olympics made bowling a demonstration sport for the first and only time. it caught on in the special olympics, and it's their most popular sport. the special olympics website said it's loved by people why intellectual disabilities because it encourages social integration. bowling has faced more 7/10 splits than strikes. by 1998 there were fewer alleys in 1955. the white house had its own ups and downs. lanes were installed as a birthday present to harry

truman. he wasn't much of a fan but his staff played. it was moved to the executive office building to make way for a mimio graph room. richard nixon brought it back, president obama jokingly said he'd tear it out for a basketball court, but in the first 2.5 years of his administration 4100 people were granted access to try to rack up some trikes. things now may be coming up for bowling. it's the nation's number one parities patry sport. i loved a bowl, but who knew putting on someone else's shoes would be popular. >> coming up, is it time to declare the concept of being an amateur dead?

>> is the concept of being an amateur athlete a myth that needs it be left behind. as march madness wraps up, new questions about the amateurism of college athletes, many of whom go college and play for a year because n.b.a. rules force them too. coming weeks after the labour board decided student athlete at north western had the right to unionize, are we seeing the beginning of the end of amateur athletes at the collegiate level? joins us is dave ziron, sports educator for the nation in author of "game over",

amongst others. the olympics, during the cold war the russians, eat germans used professionals to dominate amateurs from the west. that lead the abandonment of not using proathletes. why are we talking about amateurs today. >> the olympic athletes protested, making the point that a lot of them lived on charity, keeping them being in the olympic movement. they fought for it, expressed their cop srns. naysayers said -- concerns. nai saysers said "it will ruin the olympics. the world did not stop turning. not only that. the olympics, from a ratings perstelentive have never been more popular. i don't know how seeing people on television doesn't help the

viewing. the n.c.a.a. championship, and the star player, shab as napier is pro having a union and being deleted like an employee, because he th "i go to bed hungry at night." how does it improve your product if the viewers don't know whether or not the players have a meal coming to them once the game is over. >> i misspoke the olympics changed the rule in 1988 not 1998. shauking about shebaz napier, as you said, he goes starving to bed sometimes. >> yes. >> the reality is he can't go out and make money in the summer time as a professional. that's one of the things that the n.c.a.a. does. it's not a question of whether they get paid. the athletes are limited in the money they can make when they are not going to school or playing for the teams. it goes for the golfers, the

tennis players, and all the guys. does the n.c.a.a. - aside from whether they should be paid. why are they limited in what they can do. if you are a business major, you can work at a corporation and make money during the summer? >> exactly, if you are a cellist at the school you can play professionally in your own time and play for the school orchestra. if you are an athlete. emweigh went to college and did theatre, was in the harry potter movies. it's only athletes who live in this kind of black hole in the constitution, where they don't have the same rights as anybody else. the reason why every athlete is affected is because of two sports - basketball and football. it's about preserving the golden gees, making sure that the millions keep coming in and roll in unimpeded so they punish all athletes to preserve the province of the two sports which

get everyone paid at obscene levels while athletes go to bed hungy. >> it's hypocritical in basketball, and we see it in the march madness finals. the five players will be in college for a year, because they are forced to go to college for a year before playing professionally. the coach is open, it's been his recruiting strategy. he's told the guy, come for a year, learn how to dress well so you are ready for the n.b.a. draft. >> john calipari makes millions a year. he is also, in a lot of ways, the most honest person in this criminal aball. so many of the other coaches play under this idea that the students are somehow getting the most out of their college education and basketball is a great learning spirits. in these ways that is john calipari's strength. he says it's not one and down,

it's half a year, you can get ready for the draft. that approach made him millions, we can expect copiy cats from that. what is so obscene about the coaches - look at a man, pat fitzgerald. he's a coach at north western. they are about to vote. pat fitzgerald has been on the war path saying "you better not vote yes on union", he makes $2.5 million, and had a $2.5 million loan from the school. shame on him and the coaches who are benefitting from the labour of the kids and not standing up for them. >> the hypocrisy is incredible and forced amateurism is ridiculous. all the issues that there have been in the past, in the olympics and elsewhere. good to have you with us. the show may be over the the conversation continues on the website aljazeera.com. or on the facebook or

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