5150 of the code which would have him expressed. he expressed that he was having difficulties with his social life. deputies discussed option, offered resources to him and ultimately cleared that call without further action. >> reporter: (inaudible). >>. >> i'm not going to go back and play monday morning quarterback, we are investigating the incident and what happened and the interaction that they had. you have to understand that this is a fairly routine type of call that is quite commonplace, and the deputies who are well trained and adept at handling

the calls contacted the ja in an effort to determine whether his welfare was imperilled and did not believe that as a result of that contact, that he required any further care. i'm not going to second-guess them at this point. >> reporter: (inaudible). >> as you are aware in the mapp festo he lays out a plan on what he intended to do. i will, without getting into too much detail say that there are three people that were murdered in the apartment. it appears as though that happened prior to him going on this mobile shooting ram major. the three male victims were stabbed with sharp objects and it was a horrific crime scene.

>> reporter: (inaudible). >> the question is did he shoot himself or was he shot by sheriff deputies? it would appear as though he took his own life at this point. >> reporter: (inaudible). >> we are in the process of determining who those people are and making positive identifications and notifying next of kin. i can't comment to that question now. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> we are going to look at any and all evidence we can gather. we also are asking anyone - as you can imagine, we have interviewed a huge number of witnesses and there are probably still many more witnesses who we have not yet been in contact with. if anyone was privy to any information about this case, or if anyone actually witnessed any

aspect of the rampage that occurred last night we encourage them to contact the santa barbara sheriff's office. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> i can't comment on that, nick. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> the victims killed - the first three were killed in the suspect's residence. the next two were killed outside the alpha phi sorority and the remaining fatally injured victim was killed on pardall at a blz, a dli cat esen. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> three in the apartment two at the sorority and one at the

delhi cat essence, and the additional, the suspect. a total of seven fatalities. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> reporter: [inaudible] >> do we have that? all three weapons were purchased prior to his contact. so he had... >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> you have to under when a firearm is purchased there's a check run on people who purchase the firearm. but if a person has not been institutionalized or has not been taken against their will and put on a hold, that information is not entered into a database or is not disqualifying information for someone purchases a firearm. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> we did not have a 911 calls

relating to the stabbing and we subsequently found the victims while we were in the process of investigating this case. and went to the suspect's residence. i'll take one more question here. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] >> we have not been in contact. other than - recently, other than last night we were in contact with his parents and interviewed them and notified them of his death. thank you ladies and gentlemen, appreciate it hi, i'm kellie hoover the public information officer for the santa barbara office. i know there's unanswered questions, and i know there's a complicated list of locations, we have a map for you guys with all the locations that i can give you... > you watched the santa barbara police describe the tragic and chaotic events that

happened with multiple crime scenes. police confirmed that michael david elliot was the 22-year-old -- elliott rodger was the suspect. he had three previous incidents and was a student. beginning with the shooter his first incident was in july 21st, 2013, treated for injuries that he said he was the victim of. when police wept, they said they thought he was the aggressor. then he spoke with police in january 2014. the suspect said his room-mate stole three candles worth $23. he issued a citizens arrest of his room-mate, who was taken to gaol. finally in april of this year police called to check on his welfare and deputies found him polite and courteous and didn't see anything was wrong. then the police officers scrid

what happened last night. there were 10 separate criminal locations, many with multiple crime scenes within the locations. county sheriff bill brown identified the shooter and he outlined the sequence of event leading to the shooting spree. let's take a listen. >> it appears as though suspect rodger murdered three victims within his residence, in the 6500 block of saville road prior to the shooting rampage. okay, first he murdered three men allegedly in his residence, and they were stabbed to death. he drove to a sorority house, knocked on the door aggressively and allegedly shot three women, two of whom died. he went to a deli, shooting a 20-year-old u.c.s. b student and police saw him flee in a black bmw. he shot two on the sidewalk, and drove south-east where he waved

a hand gun in a female vig tim adds if as. sheriff's responded on food, exchanged fire and hit a bicycle with his car. after he fired at pedestrians, another intersection and came in contact with four deputies and feared at them. three of them shot back. they believe he was hit in the left hip. the 10th location was when he hit a buyinger with the car, and drove off. he hit other cars and the car stopped. that's when police say they believe he was dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. we'll bring in brian, who was there with us. we really left off the police conference with this youtube video. what was the content of the youtube videos? >> he could talk about how unhappy he was about his social and personal life. then, in the last one that he

posted, he actually made threats that he was going to go to a sorority house and kill all the girls, and go out on the street and kill as many people as he could. we learnt in the press conference that he tried to get no a sorority house, banged on the door, but no one opened the door. then he went on a shooting spree in the streets. we learnt things we didn't know. he killed three people in his apartments. apparently they were his room mates, but the sheriff wouldn't say so because they are still being identified. the three were stabbed to death. another point is rodger wrote a long manifesto describing what it was that he intended to do. another point which is salient in all of this is rodger had three legally purchased handguns, registered to him. even though he had a history of

mental health troubles, he had never been committed, so his troubles distant show up on a background check, all his weapons purchases were legal. >> you mentioned the sever itty of his mental illness, and the sheriff wrote a 145 page manifesto, which is what revealed the severe extent of his illness. can you recap what his family lawyer said about that? >> well, his family lawyer said that, obviously, anybody that would commit an act like this is mentally ill. the lawyer said that roger did have - he was high functioning asperger's sindh rom, which i would be challenged to scribe what it is. people that have it have social difficulties. it seemed that roger had

problems beyond that. we may learn more later. >> brian rooney live outside santa barbara. don't go anywhere, just to update you on the aftermath on this situation. the sheriff's department said there were seven fatalities, six victims, one the suspect. 13 were inscrourd, four by the suspect, eight by gunshot and one unknown. they were three semiautomat uk guns recovered from the suspect's vehicle. stay tuned to al jazeera, we'll continue to have the latest on this unfolding situation.

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stadium. pope francis brought his popularity, pope mobile and pleas for peace to 25,000 christians. [ speaking foreign language ] >> it's a holiday. this is a new starting. with jesus. >> they came from across the middle east. rocky flags. jordanians stay they are treated well. it's not the case for christians and neighbouring countries. >> it's a difficult time. we need it badly from all the leaders. to understand that we belong to god. we have to have the peace because we love peace. >> his omilly, peace was not easy. >> peace is not something that can be bought or sold. it is a gift to be sought patiently. >> pope francis came here to the site where jesus was believed to

have been baptized and the message shifted, becoming sombre. >> much of the crowd were iraqi. 20,000 syrian christians fled, including joseph salba. trfferent in the last three years syrians suffered from violence. >> reporter: joseph fled to imam 18 months ago. in syria he and his family live in a city that had been a christian sanctuary. the war asked in malula. joseph had to defend his family himself. they shot at our house and me. >> his daughter shows me the few syrian mementos she had time to bring of. >> my life was amauzing. in -- amazing. in syria there's a lot of freedom. more than here.

>> reporter: joseph fools the house is a prison -- feels that the house is a prison. in jordan he is not allowed to work or assimilate. the citians are inspired -- christians are inentired by pope francis's visit. joseph and his family decided to apply for asylum in canada, feeling they have no choice but to become refugees again. the pope's schedule is jam-packed. he'll travel to bethlehem to visit the church of the nativity, and fly to be welcomed by the israelis, and after to the western wall and meet the mufti. and back to tel aviv before returning to the vatican. voters in ukraine take to the polls, it's the first presidential election since the ousting of former president crank elliot rodgers. dana lewis has the latest from kiev. >> reporter: in a kiev suburb

the campaign truck blares a message "give a gift to ukraine, elect petero poroshenko, don't elect criminals", on the eve of the presidential election, his supporters and polls say the 48-year-old has victory in the bag. on the last day of the campaign, he talked like ukraine's elected leader. >> russia lost the battle for supporting terrorists. >> reporter: he's the candiman, the king of chocolate stores and factories. unlike many he seems to have built his empire in an honest and transparent way. crisscrossing the country, he promised it all. he says he'll rebuild the economy, turning ukraine towards russia. and security - he'll rebuild the army to deal with russian separatists who refuse to lay

down their weapons, he tells us amnesty for some, but not all. >> we'll have talks with people in the streets. >> people are on the street on the east, and we are willing to have a talk. people with arms - not. >> petero poroshenko is somehow emerging unscathed from a history of politics. he's a government minister including trade and foreign averages. when violent demonstrations broke out. he was one of the first to go to the street. he supported those fighting. he publicly denounced russia and interference and doesn't rule out ukraine joining n.a.t.o. if the security is rising up. if the instability will not stop after presidential election, who knows, maybe we should make these decisions. >> ukrainians are in no mood for false promises, whoever wins has russia to deal with.

the demonstrators want a massive government overhaul and will not wait long. at this camp they honour those killed by police bullets. this was the first gunned down in violence. this weekend his father visited the tent where he lived. he said "i didn't want him to be here. he said he would pay until victory or pay with his life.". >> his close friend warned petero poroshenko must deliver or demonstrations will begin again. he predicted there'll be more violence. that literally puts ukraine's next president under the gun. >> it's a big electoral weekend in egypt where voters choose their new president. the man leading the poll is former military chief abdul fatah al-sisi. he says the ties with the u.s. will get have toinger. he led -- get have toinger.

he -- get stronger. he has imprisoned hundreds of members of mohamed mursi's brotherhood. which is where three of our journalists are, spending 148th day in an egyptian gaol. peter greste, mohamed fadel fahmy and baher mohamed - all accused of conspiring with the outlawed muslim brotherhood. their trial has been adjourned one more time until june 1st. the department of veterans' affairs will allow more veterans to receive care at private facilities. they are facing allegations that veterans died whilst waiting for treatment of the the head of the agency says the department is enhancing the clin k capacity to get care sooner. this is america honouring those that lost their lives serving in the military. defense secretary chuck hagel and retired general pet ray us were among those showing

respect. chuck hagel said america ha an obligation to take care of veterans next - fighting the federal government. anger in utah over washington's control of wide-open spaces.

this memorial dau weekend a group of -- day weekend a group of nevada rampers will saddle up for a 70 mile horse back ride to protest grazing rules. in utah more than 57% of the state is now under federal control. a al jazeera's paul beban has more from salt lake city. >> reporter: as you hike into recapture canyon you notice the

silence. >> we are barelied in the closure. we have come to our first ark logical site. >> reporter: there's evidence that ancient native americans called this home. >> this is what we call an outdoor museum. it's a special place where there's remains of the past. >> recaptured canyon is protected land administered by the federal bureau of land management or b.l.m. in 2007 they closed the canyon to motorized vehicling something that didn't sit well in blanding, where locals don't want to be told what they can or can't do in the canyon. on may 10th the roar of engines fill the air as all-terrain riders took an illegal spin. >> several years into the process, it's ab surd. the b.l.m. should be embarrassed. bill runs the local paper here and says people in these parts

are fed up. >> say yes or no, don't drag it out for seven years, or you'll have a situation that happened here, local people frustrated, feeling that they'd been disenfranchised taking matters into their own hand. phil wyman organised the protest ride. >> it's not about recapture or atvs. it's about the federal government, the b.l.m. that is willing to criminalize people. >> reporter: the challenge is that it can't be all things to all people, but that's what it's supposed to do, balancing competing demands for a resource development and recreation across the west. even with hundreds of millions of acres at the agency's disposal, it seems there's not enough to go around. this is utah's director of the b.l.m.

>> what you hear, things are taken away, access to public land. we can't ride atvs, graze the cattle, a sense that the government is encroaching. it's not that we are taking something away from the citizens, we need to manage that for not only this current generation, but generations to come. >> up the road from recapture is the town of mohab drawing tourists and where off-road vehicles share land with 190 million-year-old dinosaur footprint fossils. b.l.m. ark cogs rebecca heart foster showed me where a footprint was stolen. >> there was a triangular rock. >> they come with a crowbar and take it up. >> yes. if someone takes one things, they are robbed from all of us. >> reporter: how did you feel after this one print, the best

one, was stolen. >> that was terrible, we were all upset. >> reporter: relations between the b.l.m. and locals feel mour cordial. that's the way it will have to work if they avoid armed confrontations that grab head leebs. >> tappings is more than just -- headlines. >> attention is more than just ideological. the way we used the west 100 years ago is not the way we'll now use it in portland oregon the water is safe to drik. this afternoon they lifted a boil water notice. the warning was ut into effect after tests showed elevated levels of ecoli. the test came back clean. the wild park tripled in size, 5% contained and across say they'll let it burn until it

reaches flat areas that they can defend. it will grow up to 36 square miles. the first hurricane of 2014 is in the gufl of mexico. rebecca stevenson is here with that. >> the gulf of mexico is quiet. it's popping up in the eastern pacific. we are not used to seeing these in the pacific. it's south of mexico. you can see the storm developing an eye. it's the first hurricane of the season. we see the thunder storms rotating and the bands swinging up, going into mexico. we are looking at this because last year we had so much rain fall. weather caused all kind of problems for this area of mexico, and this is where we get the leems. >> look at the prices of limes at the qfc, and you'll see good prices and it's in part because we get about 97% of our limes in

the united states from this particular area. so here we have storms beginning to brew, and the national hurricane center putting out a prediction for a near or above normal season expected for the pacific. for the atlantic, the gulf of mexico. because of ocean conditions, temperatures look like they could have a near or below formal season. nonetheless, it's a lot of moisture coming up, causing a lot of instability, and we have low pressure instability over where we have the wildfires. these - the concern is that the burned areas can easily get excessive amounts of rain call causing flash flooding, which is what the concern is, from the showers and thunder storms. roswell, new mexico - record rain fall in one day - 4.39 inches. that's a lot of rain.

>> i'm glad i'm not there. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. thank you so much for joining us. i'm morgan radford live in new york city. i'll be back for more news. don't go anywhere, "talk to al jazeera" is coming up next. >> they he told use it would be fast, cheap and easy, and that's not the case. >> american chef and action visit alice waters said we should return to eating local and seasonal food. >> you know, it's celebrating life. >> the owner of the world renowned restaurant is famous for her pioneering use of organic ingredients. >> we are part of nature. we depend on it. >> for deck caused, she has

championed the slow food movement. >> the idea of eating in your car is something just uncivilized. >> alice waters, welcome to talk to aljazeera. >> thank you. >> you have said that food should cost more. explain what did you mean. >> well, i have been running restaurants for 42 years, and i think the success of the restaurant is completely dependent on the ingredients we have. i discovered very early on that these farmers that were local and organic made the restaurant what it is and i wanted to give them the money directly, and so we don't really have a

middle man. we go to the farmer and i want to pay him the real price of food. >> is it possible to replicate that? >> i think it really is. when you cut out the middle man who is taking that cut, because the farm are needs to be paid enough so that he can send his children or her children to school, and to college. it's really hard when someone is asking that farmer to give a wholesale price and to really compete with cheap food that is being produced by sort of the fast food system. in countries around the world, people spend more money on food because they know how precious it is. >> it sounds like you're a pretty big critic of industrial food and industrial farming. >> i am.

i am, because they are interested in selling this food, not necessarily because of its -- you know, that it's good for one and selling food that's produced in a way that is destroying the land. so i want to support the people who are taking care of the land. >> what about the argument that industrial farming, and industrial food makes food less expensive and therefore more people can get it, you can deem with issues of malnourishment if you can get more people who are in poverty to be able to afford the food they buy. >> but, usually, cheap food is not nutritious, and so you're talking about food that's produced with pesticides and herbicides, foods that have

antibiotics in them, like the meats, and the poultry, and so you're -- and foods that have a lot of salt and sugar, so what you're doing is you're feeding people -- you're feeding people, but you may not pay up front, but you'll pay out back. >> isn't that better than the alternative of not feeding people. one i eight americans are looking to cut back costs and what's wrong with them saying i can pay $2 for this per pound for this beach or i can go $6 for the organic for my family so they can ever any meat, we go with the less expensive version. >> i think some of that is in issue of not knowing how to cook. now, there are countries around the world that think of protein

as a combination of grains and vegetables. we consider sort of that meat source as the only source of protein, but it's not true. we have to learn to cook the foods that are really affordable. >> is non-organic food bad for you? >> well, i believe it is, because i'm -- i don't want food that comes from animals that are caged up and fed antibiotics because they're in confinement, who aren't eating a natural diet out there in the field. i am really suspicious of that kind of production of meat and poultry. >> would you acknowledge, though, that organic chicken,

beef, vegetables, fruit, that that really is a luxury item given the system that we have now. >> way back when in this country, we didn't eat so much meat. it was a special thing to have a steak, even to have a chicken, it was. we out other cuts of meat that were more affordable. now, we only want the chicken breast. but if you buy a whole chicken, you can have several meals out of that. >> as technology develops and they can grow food 16 they gotically and prove that it is not bad for you and do it inexpensively, would you support it? >> well, they did that already and we have found that it hasn't been successful. i think we're part of nature. we are part of nature, we depend on it. it's really what is giving us our nourishment, and we need to treasure the farmer, we need to take care of the

land and that's a beautiful pleasure of life. >> you've been talking about changing wholesale, the system icon assumption of food in america as it stands today. how do you do that? where do you start? >> i think it starts in kindergarten. i you this you start in the public schools, because that's the place where you can really educate children when they're very young and bring them into a new relationship to food. they can be engaged with nature and where food comes from, and they can learn how to take care of the land where they're little, and they can learn to taste and smell and they're open. they're really open to that. >> you said that the government ought to provide, pay for school lunch programs across the

country, that they should take it over. what would that look like? >> well, in my plan, it would look like a sort of like a stimulus plan, actually, that you would put the money to the buying of food, and educating children right in the public school system with a criteria for the buying of food. so, when you did that, you would be giving the money directly to local people that were farming sustainably. that would be the first thing. then the parents wouldn't have to worry about what they're children were eating at school, and then of course, the children would grow up with a different set of values. >> what do you say to those people who say well it sounds great, but still, it sounds very much like the nanny state, that the government knows best, knows better than individual families and it's the family responsibility to teach kids

what to pick and choose from their school lurches? >> i think that this fast food culture is what has been educating everyone, and it's very difficult to get out of that prison, if you will, of fast food culture. i mean, they've told that you say food should be fast, cheap and easy and that's not the case. really, we've lost the beautiful ritual of sitting at the table. we've lost that moment in the day when we can communicate with our family and friends. they say it's ok to eat on the run. i'm saying that, you know, eating in your car, the idea of eating in your car is something just uncivilized.

the idea that food is cheap means that somebody's missing out. somebody's not being paid. i think it can be affordable, but it shouldn't be cheap. so when you have a nation that's being fed these ideas through television, through the fast food everywhere, in every train station, you know, airport, along the street, vending machines, that are, you know, selling us things that are really addictive, very sugary, very salty, that we all have to go back to school and find out what real food is about. >> in washington, d.c. at the white house, the first lady started a garden of sorts. you have been there, seen the garden. how are they doing with their vegetable garden? >> i think the one thing that's just amazing is that they've had

a number of events where they've invited children in to participate, in the harvesting of the food and the digging in the ground and planting seeds. now that's a beautiful thing. i do know that the harvest very often goes to them and to the kitchens of the white house. i think it's an example that has, you know, given people hope around the world, truly. >> and yet we don't hear the obamas, the white house talk about it very much. is that a mistake? >> i think it is a mistake. i think it should be kind of front and center, because we're at a point where we need to really take care of the land. it's endangered, not only the land, but the sea and the air.

we, the best way to do that is to plant a garden, and company com post the food, and the leftovers, and it's those beautiful processes that send up the right kind of chemical process in the air that help to say save our ozone. so, it's -- you feel that cycle, that rhythm of nature, and that's what i'm trying to get into. it's like i want the to eat in season. i want to feel connected to this time and place. i feel disconnected when everything's available all year, and you lose your sense of time and place. you're eating second-rate fruits and vegetables all year long, so when the real thing comes around, you're motte even interested. >> we will continue our discussion about real food with some real life examples of

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back to the time when i grew up in new jersey in my parents victory garden that they had during the war. i think i must have fallen in love with the straw about herries out in the garden, and that applesauce that they make from the tree. my parents bought the frozen food that was really omni present in the 1950's in the country. >> you never liked it. >> i never did much. i never liked vegetables, except tomatoes in the summer and corner, but i went to france when i was 19. it was a revelation for me. it was kind of an awakening, and i tasted things that i never had before. so, that was really where it was. you know, hot baguette in paris in the early 1960's and when i

went to the farmers' market with friends, and we bought things and i just fell in love. >> did you ever think your career would take off the way it has? i mean you are one of the most influential chefs that exists out there in the world of organic foods. did you imagine you would be in my place? >> no, i never imagined. i was definitely a part of the counter culture of the 1960's. i was very influenced by the participation in the free speech movement and trying to stop the war in vietnam. so it came from that place. i was in the counter culture and i thought well, i can open a restaurant, and my friends will come. i want to live like the french. i want to have a little place. i was very serious from the very first day. i will not compromise.

i wanted it to taste like the food in france, so i went looking for it and i couldn't find it. we ended up planting seeds in my back yard garden to have for the restaurant, and with we looked for farmers that had farm stands, and then we experimented with trying to get a piece of land and find a farmer, but that didn't work so well. we didn't know enough about farming to do that, and so we ended up looking for farmers in all the little areas around san francisco and berkeley, but really, had a product that was tasty. it turned out that these were the organic growers. so i wasn't really looking for the organic food at the beginning, although i was

probably living in berkeley, you had that in you a little bit. >> i want to ask you about your restaurant. a lot of people may know you only through your restaurant, which used to have all the stars from michelin. it lost a star. what do you make of that and what do you make of the whole rating service of restaurants? >> there hasn't been, certainly any designation for restaurants that are using real food, and i think it's terribly important. i a long time ago, decided that sort of the proof was in the pudding, around rung the restaurant. if people were coming, and that they loved it, that that was good for me. >> when you travel now and you travel a lot, you must certainly see next to you on an airplane

or waiting in an airport, somebody eating a bag of oreo cookies or processed salty snacks, what goes through your mind? >> i take my own food on the plane. i always bring my own food. i've taken to bringing some mint with me, and i ask for hot water and put the mint in the hot water. it sends out a scent into the cabin. people ask me questions about what i'm drinking. i love that. i love that idea that i can influence, reach people through an roma. >> that begins the conversation. >> that begins the conversation. i mean, i like to feed people ideas. i also bring it up so i can share it with anybody who's at the seat next to me, but i am, i'm shocked by

what people e, what they eat in airports with, how they -- how they how omni present that food is and how accessible, how it's sold to people. i just -- i feel more sorry for the person who's eating it than to really, you know, be angry about it. >> yet the person who's eating that oreo or twinkie or gummi bears, they may feel sorry for you that you're not having any or haven't tried. have you ever just tried them to see what it's like? >> i have tried it. i mean, i certainly tried it when i was a teenager. i've eaten at mcdonald's once. >> what was that like? >> i was surprised.

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>> are you optimistic about the future of organic foot consumption and the direction things were going? >> i am incredibly optimistic, because it's so tasty. you know? it's so good, and it also brings you into a connection with other people who care about the future of this country and the world, and they are people that share your values. when you go to the farmers market and you meet the farmer, you have a rapport with that person. then you end up cooking with your friends at home and it's not arduous when you have your pals over for dinner, and you

all cook together. i think what's really hard is when someone is asked to do that every day by herself or by himself, but when you gather and you have your children participate in the cooking, that's when they want to eat the food. the one thing that i can say absolutely is when kids are involved in a garden, they grow it themselves, and they cook it, they all want to eat it. that it's a beautiful thing. >> what do you see the world being 50 years from now in terms of food consumption when you and i are no longer here. >> in an ideal world, i would see small communities that really are supportedding each other, that where the food is grown nearby, where there's, you know, we're decentralizing.

right now, it's shocking that six or seven big corporations sort of own the food system. the small farmers are being supported by the people nearby. this is the way that we have eaten since the beginning of civilization. this is nothing new, that we have been eating in season, buying food locally, enjoying it with family and friends. it's cell braying life, and we have really -- we're losing our -- our meaning to life by -- by allowing other people to take over the way that we live every day, and eat and think about the world around us. >> so this is a question that i know a lot of people want to

hear from you you. have five minutes to go shopping. you got 10 minutes to prepare your meal, you just don't have time, what do you do? >> i love this question. i really love this question, because i can cook a meal in five minutes if i have shopped properly and that's the truth, so when you have tasty ingredients that you bought from the warmers market and you have things in your pantry that are good, then it takes no time to cook them. i have greens from my garden and i have maybe a chicken breast, and i saute that, and make a little vinaigrette for a salad, three minutes for that, i put the greens in the bowl, i'm washing them while i'm cooking the chicken. then maybe i boiled a

little potato, maybe have some brown rice. >> this has already taken 25 minutes. you can saute a chicken in less than 10 minutes. you can. i'm not sure i can. >> 10 minutes, if you boned off the breast, you're talking about six minutes. >> what's the one item that everybody should have in their pantry, just on stand by no. >> for me, i like olive oil and vinegar there. i need garlic. absolutely garlic. but i know that i can make something tasty if i have all three of those things. i can take some kale, saute i in a minute with a little garlic and olive oil. absolutely. >> alice waters, it's been a pleasure and an honor talking with you. thanks for being on "talk to

>> let us bow our heads for a word of prayer. our father and our most gracious god. as this family, the murdough family and their friends, as they gather, we ask that you send your comforter, your holy spirit, your guide, to be with them. >> queens, new york. jerome murdough's family is laying him to rest. four months ago, 56-year-old jerome was arrested for