>> a major shakeup at the va but does eric shinseki's resignation mean vets will get the care they need? also why would vets want to rush back to the war in afghanistan? and investigative journalism, why she is more relevant than ever. and coach gets in the holt hot seat. why he dropped the world's most famous player right before

the world many cup. i'm lynch. this is being "consider this." more ahead. >> eric shinseki, secretary of veterans affairs, is out. >> he does not want to be a distraction. >> today's announcement really changes nothing. >> it's not one person that's going to change it all. ttys overall situation. >> shooting people. >> you have to live with the masses. >> we do have the best justice system in theory. the problem is it's run by human beings. human beings make mistakes. >> this thing about hair analysis, science it's a subjective nightmare. >> landon donovan is not going to the world cup. many consider him the best soccer player ever. >> a person opinion between clemson and donovan. >> it's a bit of a pill for him to swallow. >> we

begin with veterans affairs secretary eric shinseki resigning. over explosive systemic problems that left veterans endlessly waiting for treatment. backing away from statements that just a few hospitals had the problem. >> i apologize as the senior leader of the department of veterans affairs. i extend a apology to the people i care most greatly about. the veterans and their loved serve. >> president obama said he accepted shinseki's resignation with considerable regret but he now had to go. >> for now, the leader that will help move us forward is sloane gibson who will take on the

reins as acting secretary. >> but with systemic problems at the va going back to its beginnings, from silver spring maryland we're joined by rick wideman. vietnam veterans of america. good to have both of you are gentlemen with us. lewis, despite the drum beat calling for shinseki to resign. there are quite a few voices, you know what big picture here, we've treated veterans poorly pretty much forever. personnel changes aren't the answer to our problems with the veterans. it's really musical chairs regardless who the president wants running his department. it's pastime for the president to step up and fix this mess. shinseki is out. the internal va report indicates there may be even a federal

criminal vision into this. but considering the endemic problems at the va what do you think's going to actually happen here? >> well i that i shinseki stepping down is not the answer, but it is the first step and if the va is going to heal it is going to have to heal from the inside out. we're actin looking forward to acting secretary gibson coming in. he's not going to be able to do it by himself. he's going to need the support of his subordinates, he's going oneed the support of the veteran community and organizations to pull this off. >> rick a new audit found that 60% of the pressured to gain wait times make them look favorable. it sounds almost institutionalized. shinseki said are l things would change. that barely rrnlg scratches the

surface. we're not -- scratches the surface. >> we never believed that resignation of secretary shinseki is part of the answer. it's what gets this done at this point. first and foremost, managers at every level, in new number 1 in their job description which is that they acknowledge that if they lie or falsify or don't tell the whole truth or cause any of those things to happen in reporting, incidents and/or statistics, that it is grounds for immediate suspension and proceedings for dismissal. because it's become a corporate culture over a long period of time, that you fudge the numbers to look better. not just to your supervisors but frankly to the congress. and congress is not clean in all of this

because while of late, certainly chairman miller and ranking member mitch on the house side and bernie miller on the senate side are trying to get to the accountability measures that are going to make sense. so that needs to start first off. secondly we need the pass the management accountability act to let the senate pass their version and then negotiate it and get it signed and get it in so that people at the very top of at the senior executive service level frankly, they're making big bucks. when you are making more than $200,000 a year we don't think that you need the same protections as ograde 7 or a grade 4 who's making $35,000 a year and trying to support their family. most of the people at va i will say including at vha do great things for vets and they come in because and they stay in the system despite things that they don't like.

because they care about veterans. so first thing is working on the culture. the second thing is redeploy everybody who has trained as a clinician within the veterans health administration at least four days to serve patients. the simple fact is there are not enough doctors and other allied health care or clinicians in order to meet the needs and that's why they're fudging. >> sorry to interrupt but i was reading earlier that in the last three years primary care visits went up 50% but the number of 9%. >> that's correct. there aren't enough doctors. that's what i'm talking about. people who write reports and in fact are trained clinically, need to get back ton line. doesn't matter if you're a clerk or a cook or whatever, when you br to get overrun -- about to get overrun everybody becomes a

rifleman. it is about carry for have it veterans. the other thing we strongly urge to this still is a crisis, it hasn't diminished. for president to mobilize national guard and reserve medical units to stop creeping patients for top 10 or 12 medical conditions that to cause people to die within the vaif and screen them right at the outset immediately and to detail them as immediately as next week and keep them there for 30 o90 days while va pluses up, the permanent staff. >> lou you know the american legion supported shinseki until recently. he's well-known for speaking out, the need to support american veterans in 1993. but did veterans think he would be a new breed of va chief, a creator who didn't care what feathers were ruffled and finally save the va?

>> lisa, that's correct. when he was first nominated and confirmed as secretary of veterans affairs. we thought we were getting a trail blazer. we thought we were getting exactly that person you described, someone who wasn't afraid to roughly feathers, someone who wasn't afraid to lead. the dynamic changed for shnlz. he no longer -- shinseki. he no longer had aring soldiers. he had a federal bureaucracy working under him that didn't adhere to the same ethos. we called for his resignation and in addition, we don't believe that managers actually sign any kind of document that says that they won't lie. it's understood. it's just like not killing. it's understood. when you falsify government reports, when you falsify documents for personal gain, that is criminal. we don't need to have managers, leaders, se sfort employees wage grade --

ses employees say, we need to act on this now. and sloane gibson will be working with the veteran community so that we can try to address this from the inside out. >> so you know lou, one of the things you've got to ask is, is it fair that shinseki is taking the blame here? because i mean this guy had a lot on his plate, a lot of big issues, homeless veterans, veterans on welfare, the over-prescribing of prescription to veterans in the system. is it fair that he actually had intimate knowledge of this or is this an attempt to satisfy the need of the public to have someone to blame? >> no absolutely not, it was his job to know what was going on. as a matter of fact it wasn't that he was completely blind sided. he was being told not only by congressional officials but also his management committee that

his being associates weren't being honest with him. as a professional military leader it is your professional responsibility the know when your subordinates are lying to you. that's what we expect any leader to could and someone especially in charge of a large bureaucracy like the va to do. we expect that general shinseki, being secretary shinseki did wonderful things while at the va, with respect to lowering the homelessness rate, the g.i. billion, opening the va for more presumptive illnesses like agent orange. that's exactly why the american legion defended him when that time article came out a year and a half ago asking him to resign then. we felt he needed more time. we worked more closely with him at that time to try give him the

benefit of the doubt on thighs issues at the veterans hospitals and since then we have completely lost confidence. >> thank you gentlemen for receiving us. from the services received by a wide range of veterans to those who just got home from war, the focus is often political and the soldiers in battle could get lost in corengal. >> you do taicialg things and you have to live with them afterwards. >> it messes with your head in every way. >> i'm not doing this for resignation frorecognition from. i'm not doing this so somebody goes, wow. except for those guys to my left and my right. antonio mora caught

up with the director, antonio sebastian. earlier this week. >> there you focus more on battle and what they went through. here you're looking at the psychology of these men who are up there in this incredibly dangerous place. what message do you want to send with korengal. >> both were drawn from footage that tim and i shot in the korengal valley. there is no narration, no musical score, no nothing. you're there on the hilltop with those guys. it was limited but what i want to do with korengal is to spernlings, the same interviews i did right after the deployment. one of the questions i wanted to answer is why do soldiers miss war so much?

everyone knows, war is hell. what is it that they're missing? is it an unhealthy response to war or a healthy response to war. >> you've been a wror correspondent a war correspondent. you hear them say they miss going back. >> until you layer a snap of a bullet go by your head or hit your head. there's nothing else like it. >> all right, we're getting engaged again because our guys are moving. oh my god. until then get out of the blast. and pretty much oh (bleep) woo hoo! >> your turn. >> i'm on fire! >> what did you conclude as to why that happens? >> first of all, civilians who

are trapped in wars do not miss war. just for record. but soldiers themselves you have to understand they're young, back home they might not even own a car and suddenly they're driving a tank. >> these guys were in extremely dangerous, they are in battle constantly. >> you are running the show, but there's an enormous amount of adrenalin that feels good. particularly to young men, adrenalin feels good. there's a are extreme amount of closeness. sleeping soldier to soldier with the same 20 guys for a year. another thing that men respond to very positively, young men. you get the twin adrenalin and closeness, then you come home the a very dull society, nothing

is going on, very alienated, the opposite of closeness, they miss it. >> but you look at the conditions they work in, the danger, the lack of any kind of human amenities that we're used to in this country. you think oh my god how could anybody want to be there no matter how deep their sense of service is? >> apparently after the blitz in london, 24,000 civilians died in london in the blitz in 1942. afterward, there was a wide sentiment that people missed it and they were glad it was over both, i think that goes on for a lot of soldiers. >> what about you? you again have been in terrible danger many times you don't have anything to protect ufers and the person did you obstrepa with was killed in libya.

>> he was killed in combat in libya, huge loss for myself and for the world. within an hour i decided never to cover combat again. i didn't want to do what tim's death was doing to the people that he was close to, including me. i was almost 50 years old and i felt like there was a point you start living for other people, not for yourself. but i miss it, of course, i'm glad i'm not doing that anymore and i miss it tremendously. >> you spent a lot of time in afghanistan not only for obstrepa but for other reasons. >> i started going to afghanistan since the mid '90s. it's a place i am concerned about, and have a huge affection for. if the president leaves 10,000 are soldiers there he catches criticism for being an occupying army.

if he completely withdraws he risks having the whole house of cards collapse and having afghanistan back in the dark ages. not really on a combat mission so much, i think that's a pretty good compromise personally. no matter what he said he was going oget criticism. i think did he something close to the right thing. >> how does what you're doing in this movie for us to understand what these young men, in this case these young men are going through, because they're abroad? we heard the story of a woman who said if she had read the companion book the restrep she would never have divorced him because she would have understood better. >> she said to me during the lecture yeah if i had read the book beforehand, we never would have gotten divorced because i would have understood him better. one thing she didn't understand is why he missed the war. it's pretty easy to take that personally.

the whole nation sends soldiers to war. it's not their war. they just signed up to fight it for us. we sent them, right? the civilians, the citizenry of this country the government sent them to war and they come back and what they encounter is people that kind of say you know basically how did your war go? it's as if we don't own it. and what i'm helping my film does is allow civilians to understand a little bit better and soldiers to understand a little bit better how those experiences affected them. it affected them in very good ways and very bad ways and they both have to be understood. >> korengal goes a long way towards that understanding. thank you. york. it will open up in summer. the first district to get rid of public schools entirely. also forensic evidence has put

countless people behind bars. but what happens when human error gets in the way. we'll hear from an fbi whistle blower. in one of america's most elite. criminal labs. >> these protestors have decided that today they will be arrested >> these people have chased a president from power, they've torn down a state... >> what's clear is that people don't just need protection, they need assistance.

e nonchenew orleans will begin tht school year with an all charter school district. louisiana congressman steve scali srveglise. >> the charter school movement has literally transformed the public education system. in new orleans.

before creercht, 75 katrina, 75g schools. today less than 15% of those students are attending schools with either a d or f rating. >> advocates for charter school, are quick to note, what's lost when traditional public schools spearts. joining us are nola and danielle. danielle, the statistics are touted every. the high school graduation rate was about 54% and 7,000 teachers and public school employees were fired. the recovery school district took over and about four fifths of the schools and since then most of the schools have become charter schools and as of last year the graduation rate was above 75%. a tulane university study shows the l charter schools have had a positive effect, do you agree?

>> everything has changed. so many things have changed in the school system here since katrina. as you said, the state took over about four-fifths of the schools. there were too many school seats for kids even before katrina. among the changes they've made they have turned most not all of the schools into charters. there's still going to be five traditional public schools in the city in the fall that are run by the local i don't orleans district. you have to enter a lottery and choose and be assigned to a public school here. many, many issues have been changed. >> one of the schools that oprah winfrey gave a million dollars to, it's also known for pretty

rigid discipline liberal suspensions and even civil rights complaints. what are the issues there and how much do they have to do with a charter school versus a public school education? question. first of all, there are many districts in the country that are trying give administrators at the schools charter like freedoms without actually making them into charters. the idea is that school leaders and school groups here have the opportunity to innovate and to do what they think is going owork to get test scores up and get about kids a better education. and certainly some of the charters not all of them but some have these really rigid discipline codes so you have to hold your hand up in a certain way, you're supposed to walk on the right side of the hall, there are a lot of rules about how those things work. and critics say that that's -- would you want your kid going to that? they say is it necessary? advocates would say if the kids

aren't calm and quiet and paying attention nobody can learn anything. and charter advocates will point out that because it'sal it's an all-choice city, there certainly have been complaints coming in about the collegiate charters. on the other hand, parents that i've spoken to say that's what they want for their kids. >> there's question about the quality of education, and racial concerns about racial equality and even the loss of parental control. are those common complaints? >> i would say the whole question of what constitutes control is really complex and it's a very bizarre system, right? so on the one hand, the locally elected school board oversees the controls fewer than 20 of the 80-plus public schools in the city. on the other hand, charters have these local boards so there's a lot of people in the city who are involved in the schools in some way

. and then about the race issue. new orleans is an 86% black public school system. it's an overwhelmingly low income school system. so there are many good schools that are almost entirely black and very poor. but it's also true and this is something that was before katrina as well, that there are schools that have a lot more white kids and a lot more wealthy kids. for the most part it's the same schools before katrina and now there are those really good schools. so i think mostly a lot of people will tell you it's a class issue. the parents who are more savvy, who are more with-it are going to do what they can to apply to the better schools and try get their kids into those better schools. and then if they can't get those schools into the better schools those are the parents who will put their kids into the private schools instead. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. solid science?

it durns turns out that what is used to put criminals in jay is flawed. the latest ever the al jazeera america series the system, calling out blatant wrongdoing. >> ed from whitehurst ball two you the whistle on the crime lab. >> i walked into america's wonder land as a science. there was not a 69. this thing about hair analysis is not science. it is a subjective nightmare. i wrote 237 letters over a period of five years to the inspector general. there were issues of reports being rewritten without my knowledge or authorization. equipment's dirty, testimony is given way beyond a person's expertise. >> joining us from raleigh, north carolina, the latest edition of

the system debuts here on sunday at 9:00. we watch law enforcement on tv with law and order and you are saying it's far from foolproof. how so? >> well, for too many years forensic science labs were not audited, there was no oversight. there was very little training, totally overwhelmed. this fascination we have with forensic science that we think it will solve all the problems, many people foal that burden and started doing something that wasn't science. >> you specifically blew the whistle on the crime lab, that holds itself up as a god like corruption. how much wassing corruption? >> i think a small amount was corruption.

when people find out they can get away with something and decide other people's lives they fall prey to that. i think a lot of that had to do with the fact that forensic science was in a world in a box by itself. there was no outside oversight, discussion. if you didn't agree with the fbi there was a problem with you and you were discounted. so i think a lot of it, a lot of it's been fixed by now okay but a lot of it had to do with being an insular society that doesn't take any inside direction at all. >> how widespread were the issues and how bad were the cover-ups? >> well, i only talked about issues in about three units in the fbi's scientific analysis section. the coverup is going on today. the department of justice looked at the issues that i raised, actually, did an extensive investigation. really didn't find anything.

so we just didn't stop. now, there are people coming out of the woodwork who have been in prison for 25, 30 years and we are finding in the area of forensic hair analysis there was a significant failure rate. the coverup has gone on and it will go on. >> and it goes on because of the culture within the fbi you believe? >> no, i think coverup happens because we're really not paying enough teens what's going on. i'm telling you now that you in the media are paying attention to what's going on in hair analysis but in two or three years you'll quilt paying attention. the attention now someone in authority says we don't have the assets to handle this and before. there is not an openness that there needs to be in science and so you don't have science. >> so we mentioned at the tom

here, you -- ton here, you wrote 237 letters over five years to the inspector general trying to open these cases up. how quickly did the inspector-general respond? >> the inspector-general responded immediately. i had an ongoing conversation with people in the inspector-general's office and they seriously looked into and tried to determine if there was validatity in my concerns. -- validity to my concerns. the inspector general the a great job. i'm proud of the report they wrote. it didn't go far enough in my opinion but it took a lot of courage to put that report out. >> the fbi as you pointed out here doesn't exactly like whistle blowers. you are highly respected. what's life like since you blew the whistle in the 1990s?

>> i came out, i was a consultant for a while when i was in the fbi lab, i went to law school at night, now i practice law i'm a fren forensic consultant. life goes on. i don't depend on the fbi for my paycheck or my livelihood or really an opinion about me. i think i live very confidentably. >> one of the agents you blew the whistle on, michael malone who may have mishandled 1800 cases, what is he doing now? >> he retired from the fbi and was rehired as a consultant for the fbi. i don't know that michael malone destroyed 1800 cases. i have been able to collect 1800 cases or parts of files from 1800 cases in an attempt to determine if someone was hurt by something mike might have done. >> all right. fred

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>> back when newspapers sold a million copies a day and journalism was a man's world, nellie bligh, journalistic stunts that could guarantee a spot on the front page. 1887 she predefended to be insane. her most famous coupe came three years layered whether nellie bested the julius vern heroes, and around the world trip that took just 72 days. now out in paper back to mark the 150th anniversary of her birth on may 5th. for more on nellie bligh, i'm

joined by maureen corrigan. around the world in 72 days and other writings. so maureen, there can't be many journalists who were famous enough had their own time to inspire a board game based on their exploits based on an anthology 150 years after they were born. how is it that nellie bligh is still talked about? >> she captures our imagination. she particularly captures the imagination of young girls. every year i get letters, e-mails to my office send by young girls who are doing research projects on nellie bligh. and they write to me because i was on a documentary once talking about her. they want to know how she got to where she was. they love the idea that she was a writer, a journalist who actually like hemingway went out and went on the road and had adventures. as you know she went around the

world in 72 days. on that famous journey she just carried a small carpetbag in which she fit a jar of cold cream and a change of underwear. what a woman! >> well, you know you had that same curiosity about her as do these young women who are coming to you asking for your advice. when did you first encounter nellie bligh and why did you want to write this forward? >> well, i first encountered her, the way especially young girls encounter her still. an illustrated biography of nellie blie was in my grammar schooled, i read i.t. and i was captivated. i'm talking about the 1960s. there are not a whole lot of role models of young women in fiction or nonfiction. and wanted to write the forward as a testament oher and she is still relevant. i say in the forward that she could really teach us a thing or

two about leaning in to invoke cheryl sanberg's book. she new how to act first and apologize later. >> i hate the idea that women are always apologizing. sorry for had sorry for nap they are fearful of the consequences instead of acting boldly and accepting what the consequence will be. >> i teach at jornlgt. eorgetown. i hear i'm sorry this i'm sorry that. why are you sorry? she left pittsburgh because she was fed up with the culture there that had her covering garden parties and women's news. she left an note to her editor that said, off to new york, look out for me, bligh.

she did not ask for permission. >> her real name elisabeth jane cochran, her pen name nellie bligh. even without the pen name, her strong sense of reassurance, and it's particularly at that time, maureen, where do you think that independence came from? >> that's the mystery right? i think we can get psychological and look at her childhood. her mother had ten children. and be after her father died, as a young man, nellie bligh's mother remarried. and the husband she married was a drunkard and an abuser. so her mother divorced him which was highly unusual at the time. and nellie as a young girl of 14 testified at the divorce trial. i think she learned from that experience that you know men were not to be depended on as a

source of income and as caretakers that you really had to take care of yourself. >> so maureen, nellie put herself in her stories which was really considered a break through in the '60s when that journalism. it is also called stunt journalism. but the madhouse exposé, was you wrote about her as a reformer and a performer. >> yes, yes. what nellie did was, she pretended to be insane. so that she would get herself committed to blackwell's island which is known as roosevelt island, east river off of manhattan. of. and it housed an insane asylum a hospital, a prison. it was not a good place. nellie wanted to investigate the conditions there and she got

herselves incarcerated for ten days. what she found out was many of the women were immigrant women who couldn't make themselves understood. they were imprisoned at blackwell's island just because they couldn't make themselves understood. she found a lot of appalling abuses of power there. doctors who seemed to be sexually soliciting nurses, patients who were mall flourish malnourished, her editor got her out in ten days so she could write the exposé. but nellie bligh was a pioneer of this investigative journalism.

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a smarter start to your day. mornings on al jazeera america >> we're less than two weeksawae 2014 world cup and for the first time in more than a decade, landon donovan will not be playing for team u.s.a, despite being the highest scorer.

earlier today i had the chance to sit down with gergen klin klinsman. >> a big part of your responsibility, is promoting the sport. how much of a challenge has that been? >> no, it's not a challenge at all because you just seem the game growing automatically. on the youth level, millions of soccer. you have a generation of parents too. it is easier for them to explain the game rather than a generation that never played the game before. on a school and college level it's very popular. ton biggest part of it -- onto big on the biggest part of the it, there is a league here that gets a lot of attention.

at the end of the day, the real driving force in soccer is the national team. on the women's side which is very, very successful since decades and obviously on the men's side when it goes towards a world cup. that team tbks locomotive of the spord and has to do well and that's what we're going otry do this summer. >> one of the leading news was the omission of landon donovan from the 23 man squad. here in the u.s. he is arguably one of the best players if not the best player in american history. does it run contrary to the idea of trying to grow the sport in america when you're omittings >> no. first of all he remains a top top of player and keeps playing hopefully on the highest level, for many years to go and is back on our team after the world cup. god forbid if somebody gets injured, he might come into the picture.

in sports it's an automatic, it's down to performance and i choose the players based on performance and based on how i want to put that parcel together going obrazil. in that particular case now there are just others ahead of him you know? so it's a bitter pill for him to swallow and it's obviously a huge decision media wise and also fan wise. because of what he's done and is still doing for the game but it is purld based position on facts of performance and where i see him in this game and i see other ones just ahead of the curve. so there comes always a point where somebody is shooting and taking your spot and this is known in professional sports or in sports in generally did it create some waves absolutely because of his big name and what he deserves. to our the last 15 years what he's done for soccer in this country. if it's not him then the next one will do as much as he can as well for game in the country.

>> that interview will air in full saturday, june 7th on al jazeera america's the stream. let's bring in dave zyron, author of brazil's dance with the devil the olympics and fight for democracy. let's start with landon donovan, during our conversation i brought up germany and the qualifying, and he said the performance. do you buy it? >> i don't buy it because gergen klinsman is siedged up through 2018 world cup. that gives him the security that he could make an unpopular decision like this and he has long term, he knows the united states is not going ocompete for

the world cup, not even competition for the semi finals but by 2018 he sees landon don fan at age 32 being a blocked to the team's development. i feel otherwise, statement at the same time klinsman's decision is understandable and in a way it's also rational. >> i mentioned an espn sports poll that finds major league soccer marches major league baseball now. is this just a bump for world cup fever? >> there's always that bump for world cup fever. there's an old expression, soccer in present and in the future will always be the sport of the future in the united states. you can see that here certainly that you always get that bump around the world cup. at the same time, there are two big differences that are taking place.

first is that soccer is now unequivocally by any measure the most popular youth sport in the united states in terms ever actual participation. and that's unquestioned. the second thing that is of course very interesting is the united states is becoming very multicultural. as i can tell you as someone who has two kids under the age of 10 when i pick my kids up from school i'm as likely seeing the kids wearing their favorite soccer jerseys as i am seeing them wearing the washington nationals team. i see on an organic level will there be a pipeline that exists from these young multicultural players, we live in a country of 300 million people. >> dave let's turn to sterling and the l.a. clippers.

looks like the nba might manage to avoid a pro protracted deal with l, and shelley sterling just signed a deal with microsoft president steve ballmer. many to sell the team. >> the saga might have come to the end, with regard to donald sterling selling the team. the constitution is very clear about the fact that you cannot sue other owners if you are an owner of an nba being framp. his lawsuit is going to be -- -- nba franchise. his lawsuit will be thrown out. if he pursues legal action against his estranged wife

sheal shelley, their legal being issues may be in a parallel universe. that's just fine. as long as they don't interfere with the nba rm o on a day-to-day basis. what i'm readings is the sterlings sterlings have a sterling family trust. if one or the other is deemed to be mentally incapacitated, the other has control. she has medical evidence that says he is incapacitated. no way, legal drama may take place down the lined. which is so interesting, they

are a couple donald and shelley sterling that have many rm beings sued many over the years. there is some dickensian poetic justice at the same time. at the same time, the nba they are set to have these hearings around sterling june 2nd right before the start of the nba finals they would love to be able to avoid that. >> last thought, the $2 billion price tag, sit worth it? >> it is definitely worth it if one has the funds it's worth it. it's not about the nba being a more valuable property than nfl or major league baseball. it is the collective bargaining agreement, so owner friendly future international revenue particularly on streaming internet services goes straight to the rnls can the players are cut out of it and that's why the prices of nba many franchises have absolutely skyrocketed.

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