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cl hundreds of u.s. troops will deploy to iraq as horrific pictures show the brutality of islamic insurgents. our report and analysis the former u.n. security council president is a wanted man in venezuela. they don't have him, we do in new york. why are thousands of central american children crossing the border and hoping to get caught. hollywood churns out the
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block busters. why so many good films for adults are lost in the explosions. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". here is more on what is ahead. . >> president obama is sending u.s. military personnel back to iraq. >> the u.s. says it is considering air strikes in iraq. >> preparations are under way for actions. >> it's not in our interest to go and involve ourselves in the middle of religious civil war. >> when you have people murdering in the massacres, you do what you need to do. >> the seeds of 9/11 are planted all over iraq. >> thousands of children flooding the borders without their parents. >> it's a wave of immigration, overwhelming u.s. officials. >> the last 90 days it's gone through the roof. >> those at the border are priorities for removal, regardless of age. >> we don't make one-offs. we are making movies for china.
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they want a familiar brand, explosion, 3d, special effects. we begin with gruesome images showing i.s.i.l. militants executing hundreds of soldiers, adding to calls for help from the iraqi government. president obama announced moves to help iraq with short-term military options. secretary of state john kerry says something considered unthinkable, the u.s. cooperating with iran is being ruled out. >> we are open to any constructive process that could minimise the violence. >> kerry said that u.s. drone strikes are under consideration. >> when you have people murdering, assassinating in these mass mass abbingers, you have to stop that. you do what you need to do, if you need to try to stop it from the air or otherwise. >> the president is deploying
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275 marines and army troops to the u.s. embassy in baghdad and considering sending in special forces. at the same time as four american warships made their way to the region. sunni insurgents continued to expand closing in an talla far and other towns. the city fell as iraqi air force claims to have killed 200 i.s.i.l. militants, the first killings sings the government of nouri al-maliki mobilized thousands of shiites to encounter an insurgency that threatens baghdad. >> omar al saleh, it's good to have you on the show from baghdad. the latest on ground is that tal afa and other towns are taken. the iraqi government is disputing that.
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>> that's right. rebel forces say they are controlling the town. they say they have put a strong fight against the government forces. tens of thousands of people, we are told, are fleeing. the government is totally refuting it. the government forces are in full control. they have sent reinforcements to the town. they cleared the town of the i.s.i.l. fighters, along with other fighters, and they say also that thousands, rather, of the volunteers arrived to back the government forces. so you have two versions of event regarding tal afa. >> what is happening in baghdad? >> i know there has been a lot of fear over the weekend. a lot of experts say that there's no way the rebels are strong enough to take baghdad because it's not as strong a
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sunni territory as where the rebels have had success. >> that's true. the capital baghdad is more secure than the rest of the country. you can imagine that with the scale of this crisis, the government is doing all what it can to protect it. we are told that the government boosted its military presence on the parameters of the capital. it's called the baghdad belt. there are some signs that the rebels could be near the capital because a spokesperson to the commander in chief in this country says at least 36 fighters from the islamic state in iraq and levant were killed in the area of the baghdad belt. this is evidence, i would say, that they are in those areas. some of those areas are less
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than an hour away from the capital baghdad. but the prime minister, nouri al-maliki, is putting a brave face and defiant mode and says we'll eliminate every inch of the country. in part it's because of alleged atrocities. as opposed to other news outlets, "consider this" chose not to show video of abuses, of iraqi military being taunted or hit by militants. there are concerns about the brutality of the group. this is what people tell you. the ordinary iraqis will tell you in the capital that they are worried that if i.s.i.l. and others come to the capital, then it will be a blood bath, and this is what the government is also describing. there is a problem in identifying this crisis.
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the government says this is a terrorist conspiracy led by i.s.i.l. with former bathist trying to topple the government and this is a fight against the shia. supporters of the armed group, and also the political opponents of prime minister nouri al-maliki say that this is not a conspiracy. this is some sort of a revolution against the injustice led and inflicted by the shiite led government. the problem here is that the two sides disappear at the core, at the basis of this crisis. this leads ordinary iraqis to fear. this is building sectarian tension, which could develop into a wider civil war. >> there are reports that bathists who are former allies
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of saddam hussein are participating in this rebellion. johannesburg correspondent omar al saleh -- al jazeera correspondent omar al saleh good to have you with us as always. wr joined by the director of dart net john sloane university. and served in the court terrorism unit of the state department. he has written wherein terrorism, u.s. foreign policy and international savers, and from paris, brigadier general mark kimmitt. former assistant secretary of state for political, military afavors amongst others. dan, the u.s. is saying it mite work with iran to help iraq. what do you think about that. we have senator mccain saying that collaborating with iran is the height of folly. >> it's hard to imagine.
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iranian forces were responsible for the deaths of many americans through their proxies in iraq. therefore i think it would be a strange thing to do. i wonder what we'd get out of it. that is a key thing. if we are trying to put pressure on nouri al-maliki, the prime minister of iraq to become more inclusive, then cooperating with iran, they like the nouri al-maliki model. they would like a reline ail shia oriented prime minister in baghdad as opposed to an inclusive figure. >> is that a problem, of course, that nouri al-maliki has been a divisive figure, described as a thuggish sectarian, and if he stays in power, is there much chance of anything improving. he had the chances of bringing the sunnis into the government. >> i don't think that the prime
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minister needs to be the prime minister for a third term. that is up to people of iraq to decide. i suspect in the political discussions that they are asking if this is a predecessor to a third administration. it may well be the fact that he isn't selected as prime minister. on the issue of iran, i think you'd get to decide which of the devils he would dive in with. is it a united states government that is willing to do more to provide what is necessary to keep the government toot. i don't think that the administration is willing to do what is necessary. it may be that we need to decide with iran in coping the government together. >> talking about devils, one of the devils in all of this is bashar al-assad in syria. i.s.i.l. seemed to have gained most of this power during the
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civil war there. at this point, who is the worst of the devils, the i.s.i.l. group that dominates tremendous parts of iraq and syria, or i.s.i.l. who is fighting them. it seems the whole situation is refused. iran could be an ally, and i.s.i.l. too. >> there's not a good deal of hats, i'm not sure of the utility of the comparisons between asaad who commits atrocities on a grand scale and i.s.i.l. which does the same thing as it rolls across iraq. they are truly repugnant groups and forces doing horrible things. coming back to your original questions, i ined if there's a utility working with iran, in terms of putting a stop to i.s.i.l. in its activities, that there may be value, and they are posing a threat to iraq, that we
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have not seen before. my own guests is that the militia are capable of stopping the groups before we get to baghdad, and we may not need to do so. i understand the desire to take as many of the extreme fighters off the battlefield as soon as possible. >> general paul bremer, the enroy to iraq in the early days of the bush administration said the u.s. really is the only broker that can get the parties together to make sense out of the situation. do you agree? >> i do agree. if the united states is not willing to step up and do what is necessary to bring the parties together, we'll have to find a partner to help us. is that going to be bashar al-assad, the iranians, i.s.i.l., forcing the maliki government to be more inclusive. if we are not willing to do it, to expend the capital because we have a policy of this engagement
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from iraq, but we'll have to find some people to help us. >> talking about the unitary state, this is something you addressed in a column, and you talked about what lessen number one of recent foreign policy should be, and you said it should be to allow no states to fail or have no ungoverned areas emerging and not allow terrorist safe havens be established. don't we have that happening now. we have a massive terrorist safe haven in the north and west of iraq, and the north and east of syria. >> that is what we have. it's been developing for some time. i did write that. i noted that it's a lot easier said than done. this area, which some are calling jihadize sustain, others are calling the emirate - this will be an enormous problem for
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a long time to come. i might add talking about the unitary nature of the state right now may be a little quaint. the kurds are going their own way without declaring their independence, and there is no longer any adherence of the sunni part of the state with baghdad. and i have to say i'm not sure that anyone can talk to all three parties at this point, and bring them altogether. we should remember that the united states is not in iraq today. above all because the iraqis themselves told us to leave in 2011. that was their choice, a verdict of their parliament and government. that was clearly their choice. >> do you think we are talking civil war, no matter what, and probably a partition of the state, with the kurd on one side, the sunnis on the other and the shiites on a third.
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>> i think that would be a disaster if we allowed that to happen. to correct the record, the fact remains that we had certain negotiations ongoing in 2011. we were successful in 2008 pushing it with iraq. we understood it was in our interests to maintained a presence in iraq. i think history will show that the negotiations in 2011 were cut off prematurely because we took the first that was offered. any diplomat understands that the first no that is offered is the beginning of the negotiations, and not the end of the negotiations. this is a president that could do what he wanted to do, chose to get out of iraqs, because that was a campaign promise and used the fig leaf of the first no as an opportunity to get out. >> a final question. we were talking about this terrorist safe haven reportedly there are some american fighters participating with i.s.i.l.
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oil prices are soaring. how much of a danger is this to the american economy in its fragile economy. i'm not an economist. i think higher energy prices will have a cost. there's no question about that. we are in a better position than we used to be given the large amounts of shale, hydrocarbons coming on the market. i want to say that actually that's frankly untrue and unfounded and i don't think he has the diplomatic record to make that statement. the fact is that many generals, many defense officials who are career, worked hard with the iraqis to get into 2011 and evgeni malkin, and the iraqi -- nouri al-maliki and the iraqi parliament decided no, and the administration continued to press for it. at a certain point you have to take no for an answer. i think that, you know, this was
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a timetable that was originally set out by the bush administration and we had to adhere to it. we could not stay in the country without their permission. >> final response? >> well, that's just absolutely not correct. the fact is i was part of the 2008 negotiating team. at that time it was understood by nouri al-maliki, and accepted by prime minister nouri al-maliki, that this was the first sofa not the last. we spent many months successfully accommodating a first sofa and we hoped for a second. the diplomatic shortfalls led us to where in some ways contributed to where we are today. >> thank you both joining us tonight. thank you. now an update on the al jazeera colleagues held in prison in cairo. egypt's prosecutor ordered the release of our longest hold reporter abdullah al-shami. citing health reasons. abdullah al-shami-on a hunger
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strike for 145 days to protest detention, without charge. he had lost a third of ris body weight. he had been held since mid august, arrested whilst covering a protest. a judge in egypt's capital said peter greste, mohamed fadel fahmy and baher mohamed will hear their fate this monday. the judge said the court will rule on their case june 23rd, they are held on accusations of spreading false news and aiding the muslim brotherhood. the prosecution's expert witnesses contradicted their own written accusations in court and the journalist were accused of acts committed in egypt when they weren't in the country. al jazeera maintain the innocence of all three and rejects the charges. the network continues to demand their release. now for more stories from around the world. we begin if afghanistan where the run-off election was heard on saturday between
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abdullah abdullah and ashraf ghani. according to officials more than 7 million people turned out to vote. multiple attacks killed more than 50 people throughout the country. in the western province, insurgents mutilated 11 voters, cutting off index fingers that had been dipped in ink. both alleged fraud after the polls closed, despite the u.s. and u.n. urging them not to. results should be announced on july 27th. next, ukraine - gazprom cut off gas supplies to the ukrainians. gazprom is demanding $1.95 billion of more than $4 billion owed by ukraine, requiring that future gas be paid for in advance. the move could impact much of europe. half of the gas heading to european nations is delivered through ukranian pipelines. the ukranian prime minister arseniy yatsenyuk responded in a
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news conference on monday. >> translation: this is not about gas, it's a russian plan to destroy ukraine. it's another step against ukranian state and independence. and we finish in tasmania australia where thousands protested outside the state parliament over the weekend. the crowd upset over the australian government's attempt to remove 300 square miles of tasmanian rainforest from the un-world heritage site list. tony abbott's conservative government wants to open the forest for locking. coming up, the crisis in iraq is one of several hot spots. we'll run down some of the biggest threats to the u.s. next. a former president of the u.n. security council is accused of plotting to kill venezuela's president. he lies in new york. our special media producer is
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twitter. well i.s.i.l. fighters continue their struggle. other fighters who claim inspiration from islam are on the march in the middle east, pakistan and africa. in kenya al-shabab claimed responsibility for an overnight attack killing 50 people in a seaside town. thousands of refugees flee pakistan's tribal belt. the pakistani government blasts taliban sanctuaries following an attack on the karachi airport attack that killed 38 people. 80 have been arrested in the palestine yn area after three teenagers were abducted. i'm joined by mr grenier, who
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served as director of the c.i.a. counterterrorism area, and chief in capital islamabad, and chairs of the advisory board for a firm offering corporate offense and security advice in strategic and development sectors. i.s.i.l. is justifying the slaughters, saying it's trying to build a fundamentalist muslim stast. how many of this -- state. how much of this is rhetoric for recruitment and how much is a statement of purpose? >> if you are talking about i.s.i.l., it's a statement of purpose. it may be instrumental in their ability to attract fighters and funds. they mean what they say. that said, the scope of what they can achieve in syria and iraq is somewhat limited. they are on the march in iraq. but it will be difficult for them to gain traction outside of
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the sunni dominated areas. part of the reason they are focused on iraq is they have probably reached the natural limits of the strength in syria for the time being. >> it's a lot of land they have taken in syria and iraq. it could be a significant country if they keep control. >> let's turn to al-shabab. we heard about them and their attacks. they are based in somalia and been on the rampage in kenya, across the border since the westgate mall attack killing 67 people. they killed 50 people, most of whom were watching world cup matches at hotels and in a police station. they talk about fundamentalists islamic rule and they are not happy with how kenya fought against them. they are seeing travel warnings for people that are going to kenya, that will have consequences on the kenyans. >> absolutely. again, al-shabab wants to
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establish a fundamentalist state in somalia. they made agreed strides in that direction a number of years ago. it's because of the involvement of the african union that they have been driven out of the major cities and had a difficult time in recent years. part of what they are trying to do by shifting the scene of battle to kenya is trying to put political pressure on the government to withdraw pressure and give them scope to go on the incentive. >> across the continent in nigeria, hundreds of school girls kidnapped by boko haram, they claimed they'd sell them as sleys slaves, and they have been relentless. they captured the world attention, and nothing has happened to them. >> well, at the end of the day it's the responsibility of the nigerian government to do
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something about the group. this will include the united states, they can provide assistance, and particularly lethal assistance to the extent that the u.s. extends drone strikes, but the solution to this problem if nigeria is if and when the government is able to assemble the capacity to deal with the problem on a permanent basis, unless and until they are capable of doing that, there's no solution. >> do you think the pakistani government will do that against the taliban. we have seen their ability to strike, a bunch of brutal attacks since 2007. thousands died. do you think the pakistani government is saying enough is enough after a murderous attack at the airport. >> with pakistan, you never know. the fact that the army moved into north waziristan, something they have resisted doing, it's a significant step. the army wanted to do this for months. it has taken them that long to
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convince the civilian government in islamabad that they should be permitted to do this. i see some disturbing signs, the fact that they are focussing on the foreign presence in north waziristan, the fact that most of the casualties of the air strikes have been foreigners. i think that demonstrates that they are concerned about the political impact in pakistan of their killing pakistanis. they'll have to be willing to kill pakistanis if they achieve gapes. they have made a start. we'll see how much staying power they have, particularly after we see a backlash, as we will, from the militants outside the tribal areas, in the urban centers of pakistan itself. >> we have a kidnapping of israeli teenagers, hamas denied they are responsible. others claimed responsibility. the israeli prime minister says hamas is responsible. an interesting development is
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the head of the palestinian authority your condemned the kidnappings, offered to help the israelis. hamas is not happy with that, calling it a poisonous knife in the back of our people. is there a poisonous lining in this? >> i think so. behind the scenes what we see is continuing cooperation on the part of the palestinian security services dominated by fatah. let's be clear about that. they have been working closely for years with the israelis and continue to do so, and would like to recover the three young men. what i think we see more broadly than that is politics op both sides. hamas does not want to support fatah in what it is doing. they don't see a political gain for themselves. at this point we don't know, i don't believe, who is behind the kidnappings, and the fact ta israelis are quick to blame
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hamas. so many counterterrorism problems around the world. the governments of the countries, where it's happening. if they don't take charge, it will be difficult to be the sheriff of the whole world. >> happy to be here. >> three venezuela opposition leaders are facing arrest after resisting a court summons to testify in relation to a plot to assassinate a prime minister. the three are a former director of an oil company, a prominent attorney, and a former presidential canned days, u.n. ambassador. venezuela's attorney-general says that while the three have not been charged in the alleged assassination plot, she plans to ask interpol for arrest warrants as they are believed to be out of the country. one is, he's sitting here.
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i'm in new york, joined by one of the three opposition leaders. he has run for president of venezuela, and served as a permanent member, representative of the united nations and i have known you for a good part of my life as i have known others. both of you live in the united states. an allegation is that you have - you know, left the country not to face arrests, untrue to begin with. >> both of us are u.s. residents. i should have been called here. she knew perfectly well. this would be laughable anywhere, except in venezuela, where the regime is danger, and they work with the cubans, who have a good international network to do damage to some people. >> in fact, they have come out with a presentation, pamphlet talking about the adelaide
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assassination -- alleged assassination plot that you are involved in as a prelude to a cue de tar and the u.s. ambassador to columbia has been accused of being involved. and the u.s. government said the charges are baseless and false. they have come up with no proof of the allegations, the new york times called it theatrical. what do they want? >> the purpose is to neutralize anyone who is a dissident and forcefully expresses the views. this is the case of my child, myself, among others, who have strongly opposed the regime. it is different to oppose the regime. i speak it for them. i came from speaking at the house of parliament and great britain. the house of commence, and et cetera. that worries the government. they are trying to intimidate us. this way actually they do not want him to return to the country. they call me as a witness.
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witness to want. they want to ambush me. i was not going to be a witness, i was going to be put in gaol when i present eyes. >> the government talked on monday to a main opposition leader, out in front of many of the protests and has been a big voice abroad, speaking in brazil and canada, speaking to politicians, they have been putting the word out there. is that what you are saying, they are trying to neutralise the main foreign voices of venezuelans abroad. >> why is this happening now. it's happening because the regime is collapsingment the economy is collapsing. there's in flayings of 70%. it's basic good. >> they say that that is all the u.s.'s fault, and there's a conspiracy of the economy or entrepreneurs against the government. >> they can say what they like. it's the insurgent collapsing,
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and the me in charge of the presence is actual collapsed before the eyes of its own people. so it is a sign much desperation to create a fantasy that we are being accused of. the generals were involved a month or two months ago are free. they are free. they have invented some of us. >> the paper coup is they have a series of emails. >> emails. >> that allegedly - i know one of the others says he's calling on google to show that they are forgeries, thets have taken the -- they have taken the emails. >> i was copied in an email. >> you didn't originate. you were on the list of emails. >> and they put it on television, credit cards, they hacked buy computer. they put it on television to prove i had access to internet,
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that i had paid my internet with it. it was a crime that i was able to enter the internet. this is a concoction. i ridiculous fantasy. the international commission of journalists in europe said that one of the problems in vens are is the -- venezuela is the judiciary. it has become part of the government persecution of the opposition, because they simply do what the government wants. including the supreme court. >> strongly on some terms. they don't have an independent judiciary, which is the case much the venezuela tribunalals, the cue ones are a major interest. why? because venezuela is the golden ex-chicken, the one that lays thing. if venezuelan fails to help
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cuban, $10 million a year, that will be a disaster. they decided to push. let's get rid of anyone that can actually create more disturbance. >> i hate to ask question because i feel it's ridiculous. i know you'd like there to be new elections and different administration in venezuela. do you have any intention of plotting to assassinate nicolas maduro? >> well, i didn't conspire in public. i haven't made many statements public. i conspire openly. this is a government that betrayed the venezuela, that the president is illegal. we have given up our sovereignty to cuba. more than that it's impossible to say. talking about your public opposition, you were out on the front lines talking to the military on the streets as we see in the pictures.
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do you think interpol will follow through, trying to arrest you. >> the interpol knows who is in charge. i hope they know that i have been involved in most of the crisises of the last 15-20 years in iraq and yugoslavia. helping reconciliation society and bringing peace to parts of the world. the opposite of what the regime is doing. >> good to have you on the show. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. i'm safer here today. you probably are. time to see what is trending on the web with harmeli aregawi. >> turning back to the situation in iraq, where militant groups are using social media like youtube, facebook and twitter to spread a violent message. sunday twitter pulled i.s.i.l.'s account after they posted graphic photos of an alleged mass killing of soldiers.
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i.s.i.l. is savvy in the way it uses social media. the group has been capital icing n o the world cup. using the hashtag world cup, they tweeted images of a decapitated head. they have an arabic language twitter app, a product advertising a way to keep up with the latest news about the jihadi group. once you sign up. it's tweeted out of your account, by the i.s.i.l.'s members. it helps to spread the message. the iraqi government blocked twitter, facebook and youtube in an effort to disrupt the group. let us know what you think. did twitter do the right thing, blocking i.s.i.l.'s account. tweet us. back to you. it's incredible what they are doing, a lot of vial images. thank you. straight ahead - the surprising
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thousands of illegal immigrants are being detained in warehouses and across america. after crossing the border and turning themselves in to border patrol agents. what is driving the numbers of upcompanied children coming to the u.s. much how are kids getting all the way from central american countries to the border. how is it contributing to the growing humanitarian crisis.
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joining me now is the vice president of the national border patrol council. an agency that represents all the u.s. border patrol agents. there are numerous reports of women and children in large groups coming across the border and going up to the border patrol agents, wanting to get court, leading to warehouses full of people. how bad has it gotten on the border? >> we have seen record numbers in the rio grand valley str of otms - other ert than mexicans. they are accounting for about three-quarters of our apprehensions in that sector. it's something not seen there before. is that why it's causing a problem, that there is a large influx of children and children and other people from central america, not mexicans? >> one of the things that our strategy showed is illegal agents go where border patrol
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does not. they used to cross in san diego. we fortified na area. we went to elcentro, tuscon in arizona, and as we increased the infrastructure and the mann power. the rio grand valley is a place it was feared it would go to next. >> we have heard about many people going through the desert, that if people are pushed to go through the desert, and we heard of hundreds dying. here we are seeing people crossing the border in plain sight, rather than sneaking in. we saw stream cases of guys ferried across the rio grand in a jat stream. >> if you are part of a family group or an unaccompanied juvenile, you are being released, allowed to continue to your original destination, or a
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juvenile, to a relative in the u.s. we feel that that is driving this surge of illegal aliens coming through the valley, without a consequence we believe it will happen. >> the problem is that mexicans are easy to deport. >> when coming from central america, there's no way we are set up to deal with the influx. that's where we are getting appearance notices and the fear is that they'll disappear into the united states and become undocumented. people here in the u.s. >> well, with mexicans, we have a treaty with mexico. most mexicans are not deported. they were what is called a voluntary return. they elected not to see an immigration judge and ask for a voluntary return. that's how we deal with the vast
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majority of illegal aliens, we can't do that. we don't have treaties with central american countries that we can do that. and it's not having them directly on the border makes them more difficult to return them to the country of origin. with the juveniles, yes, they are being released. the family groups are being given what is called an nta, notice to appear, and they were given is court date. history shows most people released on their own recognisant and given an nta, upwards of 80% don't show up to the hearing. >> is it your thinking that american policies encourage people to come? >> we think the genesis of the problem may be the violence in central america, or the dire economic circumstances. that is what we here from the people apprehended or that have surrendered. by and large what we are seeing
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is the word is out in central america, and they are saying that they have heard on the government raid why, television, that the u.s. is issuing permisos, allowing people to stay because we are not enforcing immigration laws. we have heard about securing the border. has it not happened in these areas? >> we have. we don't have the mann power and the infrastructure that we have in other areas. just like water, which takes the path of least resist apps, that is how immigration is in the u.s. they are going to go where the agents aren't. we have to react to the trends and the flows of illegal immigration, and that's what is happening here. the cartels which control illegal immigration and drug smuggling are able to change up the operation asks we have to follow suit when that happens. >> it's creating a humanitarian
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crisis. appreciate you joining us to explain what is going on on the border. >> thank you. >> coming up "12 years a slave" won best picture, raking in millions. why are films like it the exception rather than the rule. first, star backs plans to cover part-time employees college tuition. that's far from perks offered. we'll show you in data dive next.
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through the arizona state university online programme. asu will help them apply for need-based aid. employees will not be required to stay with starbucks after college. it's a great perk - pun intended. employment benefits cost 8.26% above salary - everything from taxes, health care and some amazing benefits. companies are getting creative or ways to woo hires and keep them happy. they become three lump and dinner, oil changes, massages and yoga. if you don't want to leave the dog at home, don't worry. pets are okay to bring to work. yahoo employees get to attend speeches with big names, tom cruise led to an overexcite
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employee. i can only imagine how she reacted to the taylor swift concert. some offer cash to workers to confront their fears. employers take courses from boxing to stand-up boxing. fc johnson, that produces zip-log bags et cetera, give concierge services, paying up groceries, shopping for insurance et cetera. dpr pays up to $20,000 for recommend k someone for a job at the company if it's hired. it makes swimming pools and paid vacations seem bare bones. coming up, are sequels leaving smaller choices at the box office for movie goers. the producers of "sleepless in seattle" joins us next. way to.
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you'd think hollywood would be a place where ideas flourish, our next guest says the business model is uncreative. this summer is app example of what successful film plufr linda okay calls tent polls and tad polls. tent polls, the big monsters, like transformers for godzilla. and the tad poles, small independent films and lost in the middle of r are the ones that fall in the middle. we are joined by a producer. her book "sleepless in hollywood", is now out in paper back. you talk about the tent poles and tad poles mentioned. hollywood loves success. they copy it over and over and
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over again. we keep getting big sequels made. independent films seem to pick up the market on the low-budget end for people that care about substantial films, but you say we are losing out on a bunch of movies that used to be great, and movie goers are missing out. >> they used to be called original movies, movies without preawareness or titles you heard of. they are not getting made or made rarely. >> in some cases you are talking about films like forest gumps, "field of dreams", "the graduates", some of the classics that we love may not have been made. >> in most cases it wouldn't be made because you can't condense the story into a title like "godzilla", or "avengers", you
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haven't heard of them. the business has radically changed. i had this happen at my father's day dinner. i said "i didn't realise you had seen "frozen." " and he said he saw it on a computer. and my son had seen "wolf of wall street", which i wasn't thrilled about, on a computer. what do you do? >> i think we vote with our legs. you have to go to the movies to influence what is made. the way we influence the movies is seeing hits we didn't expected to see. we made hits out of the heat. this summer there's tonnes of comedies being made when there weren't last year, i thought comedy was dead. in the summer of sequels everyone was so bored with cities blowing up that they were happy to see comedies.
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now they are made again. it's hard to get people to vote with their legs. if we know they have to push or wait a couple of months. paying much less for the experience watching the movies. to some extent we don't require the experience of being in a movie theatre. we didn't get a lot out of them watching it on a big flat screen tv. >> every time a new medium was depth we think an old medium was dead. we thought that television was going to kill mvies in the first place, and movies survived. and once again we think movies are going to die because people are going to movies partly because the special effect were phenomenal. even though your son was
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downloading movies like frozen. my granddaughters saw it four times, and several hundred times on the computer. >> one of the things we bring up is how dvds went away, that hurt the business. they were getting so much of their income from that. how much of this has to do with the international audiences. you may not get it for a godzilla or "edge of tomorrow." the collapse of the dvd market was the whole thing. it was the profit margin. suddenly the movie business which was frozen realised that the new profits came from the emerging market and the international community. and when "avatar", and "titan yik" came out. huge movies with gigantic
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explosions and preaware titles like harry potter or doubt date. >> "twilight." >> that's right. or "avatar "or transformsers. suddenly the movie made action move oils, special effect. where dialogue was less important and phenomenal set pieces take over. >> fascinating book, a lot of interesting ideas. "sleepless in hollywood", thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> that's all for now. coming up tuesday on "consider this" - as the u.s. military considers action in iraq we'll get the inside word of what is next in the mission rear-admiral john kirby. and how the coke brothers
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