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>> hundreds of u.s. troops will deq as horrific pictures are shown. >> a wanted man in venezuela in new york. >> why of children illegally crossing it is border and hope to go get caught? >> hollywood's churning out huge blockbusters this summer. why so many good films for adults are getting lost in all those explosions. >> hello, welcome to "consider
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this." here's more on what's ahead. >> president obama is sending u.s. military personnel back to iraq. the u.s. is now considering air strikes in iraq. prepares are underway for possible action. >> it is not in our u.s. interest to go and involve ourselves in the middle of religious civil war. >> when you have people murdering in these mass mass ask hers, you do what you need to do. >> flooding america's borders without parents. >> the wave of immigrants is overwhelming u.s. border officials. >> in the last 90 days, it has gone through the roof. >> those apprehended at our border are priorities for removal, regardless of age. >> we don't make one anymore, basically, we are making movies for china. china wants familiar brands, explosion, 3-d, special effects.
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>> we begin with gruesome images purporting to show isil militants executing hundreds of iraqi soldiers, leading to calls for help from the iraqi government. the u.s. moved with short term military options to help iraq. secretary of state john kerry said something considered unthinkable days ago, the u.s. cooperate, iran is no longer ruled out. >> we are open to any constructive pros here that could minimize the violence. >> kerry said that u.s. drone strikes are under consideration. >> when you have people murdering, assassinating, in these mass massacres, you have to stop that and you do what you need to do if you need to try to stop it from the air or otherwise. >> the president is deploying 275 marines and army troops to the u.s. embassy in baghdad and reportedly considering sending in special forces.
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at the same time, four american war ships made their way to the region. sunni insurgents continued to expand territorial gains, closing in on other towns. the city fell as iraq state t.v. reported iraqi air force claims to have killed 200 isil militants, the first such killings since prime minister al-malaki started mobilizing unstrained shiites to counter an insurgency that threatens baghdad. we are joined from baghdad. the iraqi air force announced strikes on sunday, but the latest on the ground is that towns have been taken. the iraqi government is disputing that? >> yes, that's right. rebel forces say they are controlling that town totally. they also say that they've put a
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very strong fight against the government forces, tens of thousands of people, we are told are fleeing the city, however, the government is totally disputing that, refuting it even. they say the government forces are in full control, they sent reinforcements to that town. they cleared the town of the isil fighters along with other fighters, and they say also that tens -- thousands, rather, of the volunteers, the shia volunteers arrived to back the government forces, so you have two versions of events rewarding the city. >> what's happening in baghdad? i know there's been a lot of fear there over the weekend. a lot of experts say there's no way the rebels are strong enough to take baghdad in part because baghdad is not as strong a sunni territories as the areas where rebels have had most of their
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success. >> that's true. the capitol baghdad is more secure than the rest of the country. you can imagine that with the scale of this crisis, the government is doing what it can to protect it. we are told that the government boosted its military presence on the perimeters of the capital. it's called the baghdad belt. however, there are some signs that the rebels could be near the capitol, because a spokesperson for the commander in chief in this country says at least 56 fighters from the islamic state in iraq and the levant were killed in the area of the baghdad belt. this is in evidence, i would say that they are in those areas. some of those areas are only less than an hour away from the capitol, baghdad.
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the prime minister al-malaki is putting a brave face and did he if ant mode saying we will liberate the country. >> atrocities and pictures being aired by ice sale, aljazeera has amounted not to show them because it amounts to propaganda, but there are real concerns about the brew tallty of this group. >> that's right. iraqis will tell you in the capitol that they are worried that if isil, along with others come to the capitol, then it will be a blood bath, and this is what the government is also describing it, because there is a problem in identifying this cries. the government says this is a terrorist conspiracy led by isil
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with former baathista to topple the government. they portray it as a fight against the shia, however, supporter of the armed groups and political opponents of prime minister al-malaki say this is not a conspiracy against the government, this is some sort of revolution against the injustice inflicted by the shy right led government against the sunni community of the country. the problem here is the two sides really disagree at the core, at the base of this crisis, so this leads iraqis to fear that this is building the sectarian tension which could develop into a wider civil war. >> there are reports that baathista are participating in this rebellion.
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good to have you with us, thank you. >> ambassador at large and coordinator for counter terrorism at the state department from 2009-2012, writing extensively on terrorism, foreign policy and international affairs joins us. we are joined by brigadier general, former deputy assistant of defense for middle east policy and former director of military affairs. dan, the u.s. is saying it might work with iran to help iraq. what do you think about that? we've got senator mccain saying that collaborate, iran in any way is the height of folly. >> it's a bit hard to imagine iranian forces who were responsible for the deaths of many, many americans through their proxies in iraq and
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therefore, i think it would be a strange thing to do. i wonder what we would be getting out of it. that would be the key thing. if we are trying to pressure al-malaki, the prime minister of iraq to become more inclusive, then cooperating with iran is not going to advance that. the eye raines like the al-malaki model and they would like to have a reliable shia oriented prime minister in baghdad as opposed to a more inclusive figure. >> isn't that one of the problems, al-malaki has been a very divisive figure, and if he does stay in power, is there much chance of anything improving? he has had the chances of bringing in the sunnis into his government. >> i don't think the prime minister malaki needs to be the prime minister for a third term. that's up to the people of iraq to decide, and i suspect right
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now in the political discussions, they're asking if this is a predecessor to a third administration and as a result it may very well be the fact that he isn't selected at prime minister. on the issue of iran, i think we've got to decide which of the devils we're going to dive in with, with iran who could potentially be of assistance here or is it a united states government willing to do more to divide iraq as union tear state. i don't think the administration is willing to do what's necessary, so it may be that we're going to have to side with iran in keeping the country together as a unitary state. isil seems to have gained most power during the civil war in syria. again, at this point, who is the worst of the devils, isil who
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dominates parts of iraq and syria or assad who's fighting them? it seems the whole situation is confused. iran could be an ally and assad, too? >> there are not a lot of white hats in this situation. i'm not sure of the utility of the comparison between assad who is committing human rights atrocities on a grand scale every day and isil, which does the exact same thing as it rolls across iraq. both are truly repugnant groups, repugnant forces doing horrible things. i can understand if there is any utility in working with iran in terms of putting a stop to isil and its activities, that there may be value there and certainly they are posing a threat to the unitarian nature of iraq that we
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haven't seen before. the militia is capable of stopping the sunni groups before they get to baghdad and we may not need to do so. i understand the desire to take as many of these gentlemen had defighters off the battlefield as soon as possible. >> general, paul bremer, who was the envoy to iraq in the early days of the bush administration said that the u.s. really is the only broker who can get the parties together there to make some sense out of this situation. do you agree? >> i do agree. if the united states is not willing to step up and do what's necessary to bring all parties together, we're going to have to find a partner to help us maintain the unitary state. is it going to be isil forcing the malaki government to be more inclusive? if we're not willing to do it, expend the political capitol because we have a policy of disengagement from iraq, we're going to have to find people to help us with this.
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>> talking about the unitary state, this is something you addressed in a column the other day, talking about what lesson number one of recent foreign policy should be, to allow no states to fail, to have no ungoverned areas to emerge and not allow any terrorist safe havens to be established. in fact, don't we have that happening right now, where we've got a massive terrorist safe haven north and west i've rack and north and east of syria. >> that is exactly what we have and it's been developing for quite some time. i did write that. i also noted it's a lot easier said than done. this area, which some people are calling sunni stan, this is going to be a problem for a long time to come. i might add that even talking about the unitary nature of the
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state right now may be a little quaint, because the kurds are going their own way without actually declaring their independence and there really is no longer any adherence of the sunni part of the state with baghdad. i have to say, i'm not sure anyone can talk to all three parties at this point and bring them altogether. we should remember that the united states is not in iraq today above all because the iraqis themselves told us to leave in 2011. that was their choice. that was the verdict of their parliament and their government. that was very clearly their choice. >> general, do you think we're talking civil war, no matter what, and probably a partition of the state with the kurds on one side, the sunnis on the other and shiites on the third? >> i think that would be an absolutely disaster if we were
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to allow that to happen. to correct the record, the fact remains that we did have negotiations ongoing in 2011. we were successful in 2008 pushing in eye took maintain a presence in iraq. history will show that the negotiations in 2011 were cut off prematurely because we took the first no that was offered. i think any diplomat understands that the first no that's offered is only the beginning of the negotiations and not the end of the negotiations. this is a president that could do whatever he wanted to do, chose to get out of iraq because that was his campaign promises and used the figure leaf of the first no as the opportunity to get out. >> dan, a final question. we were talking about this terrorist safe haven, reportedly, there are some american fighters participating with isil, but oil prices are soaring. how much of a danger is this to the american economy in its
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fragile recovery? >> well, i'm not an exist. obviously, i think higher energy prices will have to cost, there's no question about that, although we're in much better position than we used to be given the large amounts of shale, hydrocarbons coming on the market. i want to say to the general's remarks that's frankly untrue and unfounded and i don't think he has the diplomatic record to make that statement. the factual is that many generals, many defense officials who are career worked hard with the iraq keys to get an agreement in 2011, and al-malaki and the iraq co parliament simply decided no and the administration continued to press for it, and at a certain point, you to have take no for an answer. i think that this was a time table that was originally set out by the bush administration and we had to adhere to it.
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we could not stay in the country without their permission. >> general, final response? >> well, that's just absolutely not correct. the fact is i was part of the 2008 negotiating team, and at that time, it was clearly understand by prime minister malaki and accepted that this was the first agreement and not the last. we spent many, many months successfully accomplishing a first agreement and we were certainly hoping in 2011 for a second. i think the diplomatic shortfalls of that second negotiation led us to where in some ways contributed to where we are today. >> appreciate you both joining us tonight. thank you. >> now an update on our aljazeera colleagues held in prison in cairo. the release of our longest held reporter was made for health reasons. he was on a hunger strike for 145 days to protest his
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detention without charge. he lost a third of his body weight. he had been held since mid august when arrested while covering a cairo protest. >> a judge said our three correspondents will hear their fate this coming monday. the judge understands the court will rule on their case june 23. they are held on accusations of spreading false news and aiding the muslim brotherhood. the prosecution's expert witnesses cricketed their own written accusations in court and the journalists committed of acts committed in egypt when they weren't in the country. aljazeera maintains the innocence of all three and strongly rejects the charges and demands their immediate release. >> now for more stories around the world. in afghanistan, the presidential runoff election was held on saturday. according to officials, more than 7 million people turned out to vote, but multiple taliban
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attacks killed more than 50 people throughout the country. in the western province of iraq, insurgents mutilated 11 voters, cutting off their index fingers which had been dipped in ink during the voting pros. both sides allege fraud despite the u.s. and u.n. urging them not to. results should be on july 22. >> the ukraine, the russian gas company escalated the conflict monday by cutting off gas supplies to the ukrainians, demanding $1.95 billion of the more than $4 billion it's owed by ukraine, requiring that future gas be paid for in advance. the move could impact much of europe. half of the russian gas head to go european nations is delivered through ukrainian pipe lines. prime minister yatsenyuk responded. >> it is not about gas. it is a general russian noon
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destroy ukraine. it is yet another step of russian aggression against the ukrainian state and independence. >> we finish in tasmania, australia, where thousands of people protested outside tasmania's state parliament, upset over the government's attempt to remove nearly 300 square miles of tasmanian rain forest from the world list to open the forest for logging. that's some of what's happening around the world. >> the crisis in iraq is only one of several hot spots for extremist groups across the globe. we'll run down some of the biggest threats to the u.s. >> the former president of the security council is accused of plotting to kill venezuela's president. he lives in new york and will join us after the break. >> we are tracking the top stories on the web. >> twitter steps into the
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well i.s.i.l. fighters continue their struggle. other fighters who claim inspiration from islam are on the march in the middle east, pakistan and africa. in kenya al-shabab claimed responsibility for an overnight attack killing 50 people in a seaside town. thousands of refugees flee pakistan's tribal belt. the pakistani government blasts taliban sanctuaries following an attack on the karachi airport attack that killed 38 people. 80 have been arrested in the palestine yn area after three teenagers were abducted.
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i'm joined by mr grenier, who served as director of the c.i.a. counterterrorism area, and chief in capital islamabad, and chairs of the advisory board for a firm offering corporate offense and security advice in strategic and development sectors. i.s.i.l. is justifying the slaughters, saying it's trying to build a fundamentalist muslim stast. how many of this -- state. how much of this is rhetoric for recruitment and how much is a statement of purpose? >> if you are talking about i.s.i.l., it's a statement of purpose. it may be instrumental in their ability to attract fighters and funds. they mean what they say. that said, the scope of what they can achieve in syria and iraq is somewhat limited. they are on the march in iraq.
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but it will be difficult for them to gain traction outside of the sunni dominated areas. part of the reason they are focused on iraq is they have probably reached the natural limits of the strength in syria for the time being. >> it's a lot of land they have taken in syria and iraq. it could be a significant country if they keep control. >> let's turn to al-shabab. we heard about them and their attacks. they are based in somalia and been on the rampage in kenya, across the border since the westgate mall attack killing 67 people. they killed 50 people, most of whom were watching world cup matches at hotels and in a police station. they talk about fundamentalists islamic rule and they are not happy with how kenya fought against them. they are seeing travel warnings for people that are going to kenya, that will have consequences on the kenyans.
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>> absolutely. again, al-shabab wants to establish a fundamentalist state in somalia. they made agreed strides in that direction a number of years ago. it's because of the involvement of the african union that they have been driven out of the major cities and had a difficult time in recent years. part of what they are trying to do by shifting the scene of battle to kenya is trying to put political pressure on the government to withdraw pressure and give them scope to go on the incentive. >> across the continent in nigeria, hundreds of school girls kidnapped by boko haram, they claimed they'd sell them as sleys slaves, and they have been relentless. they captured the world attention, and nothing has happened to them. >> well, at the end of the day
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it's the responsibility of the nigerian government to do something about the group. this will include the united states, they can provide assistance, and particularly lethal assistance to the extent that the u.s. extends drone strikes, but the solution to this problem if nigeria is if and when the government is able to assemble the capacity to deal with the problem on a permanent basis, unless and until they are capable of doing that, there's no solution. >> do you think the pakistani government will do that against the taliban. we have seen their ability to strike, a bunch of brutal attacks since 2007. thousands died. do you think the pakistani government is saying enough is enough after a murderous attack at the airport. >> with pakistan, you never know. the fact that the army moved into north waziristan, something they have resisted doing, it's a significant step.
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the army wanted to do this for months. it has taken them that long to convince the civilian government in islamabad that they should be permitted to do this. i see some disturbing signs, the fact that they are focussing on the foreign presence in north waziristan, the fact that most of the casualties of the air strikes have been foreigners. i think that demonstrates that they are concerned about the political impact in pakistan of their killing pakistanis. they'll have to be willing to kill pakistanis if they achieve gapes. they have made a start. we'll see how much staying power they have, particularly after we see a backlash, as we will, from the militants outside the tribal areas, in the urban centers of pakistan itself. >> we have a kidnapping of israeli teenagers, hamas denied they are responsible. others claimed responsibility. the israeli prime minister says hamas is responsible.
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an interesting development is the head of the palestinian authority your condemned the kidnappings, offered to help the israelis. hamas is not happy with that, calling it a poisonous knife in the back of our people. this? >> i think so. behind the scenes what we see is continuing cooperation on the part of the palestinian security services dominated by fatah. let's be clear about that. they have been working closely for years with the israelis and continue to do so, and would like to recover the three young men. what i think we see more broadly than that is politics op both sides. hamas does not want to support fatah in what it is doing. they don't see a political gain for themselves. at this point we don't know, i don't believe, who is behind the
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kidnappings, and the fact ta israelis are quick to blame hamas. so many counterterrorism problems around the world. the governments of the countries, where it's happening. if they don't take charge, it will be difficult to be the sheriff of the whole world. >> happy to be here. >> three venezuela opposition leaders are facing arrest after resisting a court summons to testify in relation to a plot to assassinate a prime minister. the three are a former director of an oil company, a prominent attorney, and a former presidential canned days, u.n. ambassador. venezuela's attorney-general says that while the three have not been charged in the alleged assassination plot, she plans to ask interpol for arrest warrants as they are believed to be out
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of the country. one is, he's sitting here. i'm in new york, joined by one of the three opposition leaders. he has run for president of venezuela, and served as a permanent member, representative of the united nations and i have known you for a good part of my life as i have known others. both of you live in the united states. an allegation is that you have - you know, left the country not with. >> both of us are u.s. residents. i should have been called here. she knew perfectly well. this would be laughable anywhere, except in venezuela, where the regime is danger, and they work with the cubans, who have a good international people. >> in fact, they have come out with a presentation, pamphlet
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talking about the adelaide assassination -- alleged assassination plot that you are involved in as a prelude to a cue de tar and the u.s. ambassador to columbia has been accused of being involved. and the u.s. government said the charges are baseless and false. they have come up with no proof of the allegations, the new york times called it theatrical. what do they want? >> the purpose is to neutralize anyone who is a dissident and forcefully expresses the views. this is the case of my child, myself, among others, who have strongly opposed the regime. it is different to oppose the regime. i speak it for them. i came from speaking at the house of parliament and great britain. the house of commence, and et cetera. that worries the government. they are trying to intimidate us. this way actually they do not want him to return to the country.
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they call me as a witness. witness to want. they want to ambush me. i was not going to be a witness, i was going to be put in gaol when i present eyes. >> the government talked on monday to a main opposition leader, out in front of many of the protests and has been a big voice abroad, speaking in brazil and canada, speaking to politicians, they have been putting the word out there. is that what you are saying, they are trying to neutralise the main foreign voices of venezuelans abroad. >> why is this happening now. it's happening because the regime is collapsingment the economy is collapsing. there's in flayings of 70%. it's basic good. >> they say that that is all the u.s.'s fault, and there's a conspiracy of the economy or government. >> they can say what they like.
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it's the insurgent collapsing, and the me in charge of the presence is actual collapsed before the eyes of its own people. so it is a sign much desperation to create a fantasy that we are being accused of. the generals were involved a month or two months ago are free. they are free. they have invented some of us. >> the paper coup is they have a series of emails. >> emails. >> that allegedly - i know one of the others says he's calling on google to show that they are forgeries, thets have taken emails. >> i was copied in an email. >> you didn't originate. you were on the list of emails. >> and they put it on television, credit cards, they hacked buy computer.
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they put it on television to prove i had access to internet, that i had paid my internet with it. it was a crime that i was able to enter the internet. this is a concoction. i ridiculous fantasy. the international commission of journalists in europe said that one of the problems in vens are is the -- venezuela is the judiciary. it has become part of the government persecution of the opposition, because they simply do what the government wants. including the supreme court. >> strongly on some terms. they don't have an independent judiciary, which is the case much the venezuela tribunalals, the cue ones are a major interest. why? because venezuela is the golden ex-chicken, the one that lays thing.
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if venezuelan fails to help cuban, $10 million a year, that will be a disaster. they decided to push. let's get rid of anyone that can disturbance. >> i hate to ask question because i feel it's ridiculous. i know you'd like there to be new elections and different administration in venezuela. do you have any intention of maduro? >> well, i didn't conspire in public. i haven't made many statements public. i conspire openly. this is a government that betrayed the venezuela, that the president is illegal. we have given up our sovereignty to cuba. more than that it's impossible to say. talking about your public opposition, you were out on the front lines talking to the military on the streets as we
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see in the pictures. do you think interpol will you. >> the interpol knows who is in charge. i hope they know that i have been involved in most of the crisises of the last 15-20 years in iraq and yugoslavia. helping reconciliation society and bringing peace to parts of the world. the opposite of what the regime is doing. >> good to have you on the show. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. i'm safer here today. you probably are. time to see what is trending on the web with harmeli aregawi. >> turning back to the situation in iraq, where militant groups are using social media like youtube, facebook and twitter to spread a violent message. sunday twitter pulled i.s.i.l.'s account after they posted graphic photos of an alleged
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mass killing of soldiers. i.s.i.l. is savvy in the way it uses social media. the group has been capital icing n o the world cup. using the hashtag world cup, they tweeted images of a decapitated head. they have an arabic language twitter app, a product advertising a way to keep up with the latest news about the jihadi group. once you sign up. it's tweeted out of your members. it helps to spread the message. the iraqi government blocked twitter, facebook and youtube in an effort to disrupt the group. let us know what you think. did twitter do the right thing, blocking i.s.i.l.'s account. tweet us. back to you. it's incredible what they are doing, a lot of vial images. thank you.
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between. thousands of illegal immigrants are being detained in warehouses and across america. after crossing the border and turning themselves in to border patrol agents. what is driving the numbers of upcompanied children coming to the u.s. much how are kids getting all the way from central american countries to the border. how is it contributing to the growing humanitarian crisis. joining me now is the vice president of the national border patrol council. an agency that represents all the u.s. border patrol agents. there are numerous reports of women and children in large groups coming across the border and going up to the border patrol agents, wanting to get court, leading to warehouses full of people. border?
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>> we have seen record numbers in the rio grand valley str of otms - other ert than mexicans. they are accounting for about three-quarters of our apprehensions in that sector. it's something not seen there before. is that why it's causing a problem, that there is a large influx of children and children and other people from central america, not mexicans? >> one of the things that our strategy showed is illegal agents go where border patrol does not. they used to cross in san diego. we fortified na area. we went to elcentro, tuscon in arizona, and as we increased the infrastructure and the mann power. the rio grand valley is a place it was feared it next. >> we have heard about many people going through the desert, that if people are pushed to go
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through the desert, and we heard of hundreds dying. here we are seeing people crossing the border in plain sight, rather than sneaking in. we saw stream cases of guys ferried across the rio grand in a jat stream. >> if you are part of a family group or an unaccompanied juvenile, you are being released, allowed to continue to your original destination, or a juvenile, to a relative in the u.s. we feel that that is driving this surge of illegal aliens coming through the valley, without a consequence we believe it will happen. >> the problem is that mexicans are easy to deport. >> when coming from central america, there's no
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way we are set up to deal with the influx. that's where we are getting appearance notices and the fear is that they'll disappear into the united states and become undocumented. people here in the u.s. >> well, with mexicans, we have a treaty with mexico. most mexicans are not deported. they were what is called a voluntary return. they elected not to see an immigration judge and ask for a voluntary return. that's how we deal with the vast majority of illegal aliens, we can't do that. we don't have treaties with central american countries that we can do that. and it's not having them directly on the border makes them more difficult to return them to the country of origin. with the juveniles, yes, they are being released. the family groups are being given what is called an nta,
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notice to appear, and they were given is court date. history shows most people released on their own recognisant and given an nta, upwards of 80% don't show up to the hearing. >> is it your thinking that american policies encourage people to come? >> we think the genesis of the problem may be the violence in central america, or the dire economic circumstances. that is what we here from the people apprehended or that have surrendered. by and large what we are seeing is the word is out in central america, and they are saying that they have heard on the government raid why, television, that the u.s. is issuing permisos, allowing people to stay because we are not enforcing immigration laws. we have heard about securing the border. areas? >> we have. we don't have the mann power and the infrastructure that we have
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in other areas. just like water, which takes the path of least resist apps, that is how immigration is in the u.s. they are going to go where the agents aren't. we have to react to the trends and the flows of illegal immigration, and that's what is happening here. the cartels which control illegal immigration and drug smuggling are able to change up the operation asks we have to follow suit when that happens. >> it's creating a humanitarian crisis. appreciate you joining us to border. >> thank you. >> coming up "12 years a slave" won best picture, raking in millions. why are films like it the exception rather than the rule. first, star backs plans to cover part-time
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you'd think hollywood would be a place where ideas flourish, our next guest says the business model is uncreative. this summer is app example of what successful film plufr linda okay calls tent polls and tad polls. tent polls, the big monsters, like transformers for godzilla. and the tad poles, small independent films and lost in the middle of r are the ones that fall in the middle. we are joined by a producer. her book "sleepless in hollywood", is now out in paper back. you talk about the tent poles and tad poles mentioned. hollywood loves success. they copy it over and over and over again.
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we keep getting big sequels made. independent films seem to pick up the market on the low-budget end for people that care about substantial films, but you say we are losing out on a bunch of movies that used to be great, and movie goers are missing out. >> they used to be called original movies, movies without preawareness or titles you heard of. they are not getting made or made rarely. >> in some cases you are talking about films like forest gumps, "field of dreams", "the graduates", some of the classics made. >> in most cases it wouldn't be made because you can't condense the story into a title like "godzilla", or "avengers", you haven't heard of them.
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the business has radically changed. i had this happen at my father's day dinner. i said "i didn't realise you had seen "frozen." " and he said he saw it on a computer. and my son had seen "wolf of wall street", which i wasn't thrilled about, on a computer. what do you do? >> i think we vote with our legs. you have to go to the movies to influence what is made. the way we influence the movies is seeing hits we didn't expected to see. we made hits out of the heat. this summer there's tonnes of comedies being made when there weren't last year, i thought comedy was dead. in the summer of sequels everyone was so bored with cities blowing up that they were happy to see comedies.
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now they are made again. it's hard to get people to vote with their legs. if we know they have to push or wait a couple of months. paying much less for the experience watching the movies. to some extent we don't require the experience of being in a movie theatre. we didn't get a lot out of them tv. >> every time a new medium was depth we think an old medium was dead. we thought that television was going to kill mvies in the first place, and movies survived. and once again we think movies are going to die because people are going to movies partly because the special effect were phenomenal. even though your son was downloading movies like frozen.
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my granddaughters saw it four times, and several hundred times on the computer. >> one of the things we bring up is how dvds went away, that hurt the business. they were getting so much of their income from that. how much of this has to do with the international audiences. you may not get it for a godzilla or "edge of tomorrow." the collapse of the dvd market was the whole thing. it was the profit margin. suddenly the movie business which was frozen realised that the new profits came from the emerging market and the international community. and when "avatar", and "titan yik" came out. huge movies with gigantic
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explosions and preaware titles like harry potter or doubt date. >>twilight." >> that's right. or "avatar "or transformsers. suddenly the movie made action move oils, special effect. where dialogue was less important and phenomenal set pieces take over. >> fascinating book, a lot of interesting ideas. "sleepless in hollywood", thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> that's all for now. coming up tuesday on "consider this" - as the u.s. military considers action in iraq we'll get the inside word of what is next in the mission rear-admiral john kirby. and how the coke brothers built their fortunes and became
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a powerful force in u.s. politics. the conversation conditions tonne twitter, google+, facebook. see you next time. welcome to al jazerra america, i am del walters, these are the stories that we are following for you. u.s. sending troops to beef up security at the american embassy in baghdad. talking to iran now about the situation in iraq. plus a rare double tou tornado hitting nebraska killing two people. and g.m. reeling from yet another recall just one day before its ceo is set to go before congress. ♪
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