>> i'm ali velshi, the news has become this thing where you talk to experts about people, and al jazeera has really tried to talk to people, about their stories. we are not meant to be your first choice for entertainment. we are ment to be your first choice for the news. >> president obama attends a meeting of the minds with congressional leaders on iraq. what military options are on the table? also, a new poll spells bad news for the president. is his presidency over? also should mental illness take away the right for parents to live with children? and what could save our

oceans. i'm antonio mora. welcome to "consider this." here's more on what's ahead. >> president obama met with congressional leaders today to discuss the crisis in iraq. hours after they asked for assistance. >> it is our duty to count erdz counter-i.s.i.l. everywhere we see them. >> i believe he should be prosecuted in federal court. >> gitmo is a great place to hold them. >> we've created this mess. so please. don't tell me we can't clean this up. together. >> we begin with iraq. the country continued to

unravel, as i.s.i.l. forces, bagi facility north of iraq. government of prime minister nouri al-maliki insisted the fight was still going on. president obama spent an hour with congressional leaders, on ongoing consultations with iraq. the president told congress he did not need congressional authority for further action in iraq. pushing the maliki government to set aside sectarian agendas. general martin dempsey confirmed reports the maliki government had requestmore military aid. >> we have -- had requested more military aid. >> it is in our interest to

counter i.s.i.l. whenever we find them. >> i'm joined by omar al sala. omar, good to see you. the bagi facility, an iraqi spokesman is denying all of that. what have you learned? >> we spoke to sources at the refinery, a person who works at the refinery through his relative. and he said that the rebels did control the refinery and all the staffers were asked to leave. so now we understand that the refinery's under the control of the rebels. another source says that 75% of the refinery is under control of the i.s.i.l. fighters. now, the government is refuting all of this. they say they managed to repel the attack and kill between 50

to 60 fighters and they say they are in control of that refinery. now, conflicting reports as to what has happened but previous reports during the last we we -- last week we understand around the refinery is located. >> what would mean a takeover for that matter i.s.i.l. to control a big refinery like that is certainly a big boost. >> absolutely. it will be another blow to the government's efforts. the refinery is the biggest in the country. it will not affect exports because most of iraq's oil exports go from the south, from basra. however, it will affect the local consumption of gas and fuel, and it again will boost the morale of the rebels who are

advancing in other parts of iraq. the government is trying to retake different towns and cities, including the refinery. the government is making statements, rapid and quite a lot of statements trying to reaffirm, but in other parts of iraq as well. >> the white house has urged maliki to reach out to iraqi sunnies and kurds in order for him to be able to get more u.s. aid. the prime minister prime minister has apparently done the opposite. accused the terrorists of hatching a regional plot to tear the government apart. and has asked formally for american air strikes to combat i.s.i.l.

>> i don't think so, the american president, president barack obama did mention clearly that he wants iraqi leaders to be more open and to try and bring in all the opponents, the political opponents in this political process. remember, the prime minister, 94 nouri maliki has problems with his own wide are shia coalition. so he needs to reach out. now in termination of what he has done, there is nothing -- in terms of what he has done, there is nothing concrete yet. he was part of a meeting where different leaders were gathering. it was hailed as a good step but came out as saying iraqis agreed to unite against this terrorist wave across the country. but there were no concreate cons to bridge this gap.

>> if the i.s.i.l. insurgents follow through on threats on sliens in samala and nejef, could iraqi sunnies and kurds accept iranians coming in or do you think that will make things worse? >> it will make things worse and i think the sunnis, most of the sunnis, some of the kurds not all of the kurds will not accept iranian presence. the irony of this, when you speak to ordinary iranians, well involved since the occupation of country, this is something not really new. now they accuse iran of meddling into iraqi politics. not only nouri al maliki but the

performer prime minister. iraq has always refuted the fact that there are involvement of iranian forces in this country. and they say we are only allies, however, iraq has its own sovereignty, and the regional countries need to respect that. >> well, the u.n. has declared iraq a level 3 humanitarian crisis, 1.5 million people displaced. so it's a terrible situation there in iraq and always al jazeera, omar al sala, appreciate you joining us. thank you. i'm joined by retired air force colonel samuel gardner. we're also joined by aaron david miller, vice president for new initiatives and distinguished scholar at the woodrow wilson center, author of the end of

greatness, why america can't have and doesn't want another great president. gentlemen, welcome. president obama met for less than an hour with congressional leaders on wednesday. what sort of options are realistically available? >> well, the options that they keep talking about are first, increased intelligence. both for ourselves and to provide the iraqi government. they're talking about option he of putting special -- options of putting special forces into iraq. then there's the special operation which is the one that seems to be getting the most attention and finally there is the idea of do we pull more people out of the embassy as an example to russ our vulnerability. >> what do you think should be done? >> there are no good options. its a little bit about like the crisis we've been in for syria

and over the ukraine. the military options have very little possibility of achieving a success. it is just not in the cards to leverage military force at this point. >> aaron you agree, you have written that the obama administration would likely succumb to pressure to do something in iraq but you don't think it should. >> iraq has been dealt a pretty bad hand, in terms of where and when. unless you can figure out a way to create a sustainable equitable and reasonable confessional balance, in which these three groups, sunni, shia and kurd, participate equally, iraq is going to be vulnerable both for iranian aspirations, and in syria, the sunni jihadi

groups. the fact that five to 8,000 guys with light weapons could essentially take over iraq's second harnlg -- largest city and large swaths of the city and including the oil refinery in less than a week, suggests to me that the iraqi state is an empty shell. i agree with your guest that our military option hs are pretty constant. you can use reaper and predator drones but you can't hold the country together, no matter how good the intelligence is, with reaper and predator drones. >> chair martin dempsey told the congress, isn't we take some action under these circumstances? >> well, i -- if you pay very close attention to what he said,

he said to counter i.s.i.l, wherever we find them. he didn't say, to counter i.s.i.l. in iraq. i think that the notion that we are supplying and going to increase supplies for moderate forces in syria is in part an attempt to counter i.s.i.l. but the thing about iraq is there isn't anyplace to provide military force that is going to do any leverage. i mean it's a flufd battle field where you -- fluid battlefield where you can't tell where good guys and bad guys are. the idea of military force is such a terrible idea. >> we talked to daniel benjamin the other day on this show and he said the lesson number 1 of 21st century diplomacy is not to allow large states to fail.

if i.s.i.l. is allowed to hold this enormous territory from syria to iraq, wouldn't it be ignoring that lesson and the danger of that terrorist safe haven? >> sure, but we already have that. in large areas of pakistan, somalia, yemen and you're going to have it in africa as well. i mean if you want to turn iraq into a counterterrorism problem and find a solution through good intelligence partnerships with the neighboring states, then you know, that may well be a sensible kind of policy. but i just don't see right now how the president is going oavoid doing something. he's -- to avoid doing something. he's under withering criticism for heading to the exits too fast, for ignoring a red line in syria, for not dealing with the

worst humanitarian crisis since the end of the second world war. i think colonel's right, that the use of military options is not going to be terribly effective. but i think he will have to do something and it's most likely going to involve once collection of intelligence is complete or more comprehensive, in the use of drones and predators, against i.s.i.l. positions in the north, convoys traveling across the border. because i don't think we have right now any other good options. massive air strikes and -- >> you have also written that this is in our neighborhood and we can't get sucked back into an iraq war. is the issue that we simply can't do anything on the diplomatic front because the 800 pound gorillas, sunni and shia

and kurds are usually at each other's throats? >> grand ayatollah sistani, who carries very much weight, both the sunni and shia, boat feer bg i.s.i.s, the threat to the iranian community, want to avoid refugee flows too, then i think they may be able to create a situation where maliki is forced out and you would identify another shia leader with whom the sunnis and the kurds have more confidence in. that requires a decision on the part of the locals, so to speak. those who live in the be neighborhood of iran, those who live in iraq, part of the shia community to begin to craft the foundation of such a political

solution. and maybe if we employed regional actors and perhaps some military power on our own and some intele intel we can perhapt an outcome better than the one now. >> the quebses of doing something or doing nothing, which is worse? >> i think we can do something. i think there's consensus about the need to deal with this growing threat of terrorism spilling out of syria and now iraq. that's the basis on which we can make this not a united states issue but a braide braid browdel issues. that's the thing i think. >> certainly a worrisome situation. appreciate you both joining us. thank you. now fro for more stories frm

around the world. >> we begin in core ukraine, whe president petro poroshenko laid out a game plan, including a cease fire, tougher control of the country's border with russia and it offers am amnesty to separatists who put down their arms. next we go to washington, d.c. where the redskins have been dealt a blow. the u.s. patent office cancelled the team's trademark registrations, saying the name is disparaging to native americans. an attorney for the redskins expressconfidence the ruling would be overturned. courts have sided with the redskins in the past.

they stand up to protest has gone viral. the video has a huge flock of ducks, i mean huge, blocking a rural road. why do ducks cross the road? according to the driver who shot the video, they were following a farmer in search of food. as to the name, it is a reference to antigovernment protest that rocked thailand and led to a military coup. that is something from around the world. mia explanation isn't satisfying many. also the men who literally wrote the book on benghazi, the capture of a social suspects. our social media producer, hermela aregawi. what's trending, hermella? >> stop apologizing for everything, women. and it looks like it struck a chord. it's going scrierl. i'll tell you more coming up. while you're watching, join the

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>> as president obama faces pressure on what action to take in iraq, a new poll shows a large percentage of americans disapprove of how he is handling

foreign policy. a 54% of registered voters believe he cannot lead and get the job done. according to a wall street journal poll. form he secretary of state hillary clinton isn't faring well either. joining us from los angeles to talk about the political headlines is al jazeera america political contributor michael shorer. president obama's being after 2006 in katrina. and 54% as i said said he can't lead and get the job done. that led nbc's chuck todd to say, that amounts to the public telling president obama his presidency is over. this lack of public confidence has to hurt the president's ability to govern.

>> it does. why chuck todd would say that, he works for nbc. as you said, you know, a second term president is different than someone who's running for reelection. what's going on around the country right now is there are a ton of people running against barack obama. so all of this, you know a lot of these numbers are affected by that. these local and state and federal elections that are happening, the president isn't up for anything, that doesn't help him though. it isn't good to have your leadership question at any time especially going into a foreign policy situation as they are dealing with iraq right now. >> only about a third of americans think he's doing a good job on foreign policy, he has to lead on iraq. he met with leaders on wednesday, it was a good meeting, but the iraq plan would not require congressional vote, will that roughly feathers?

>> that doesn't ruffle feathers. there were congressional leaders in the meeting. the president has the authority to do this going under the acts of 2000, 2001,2003. barbara lee the congresswoman from california says wait a second, we want to sunset those bills and have the president come back here to ask for authority. he's going to get some unexpected trouble from his own party on this. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton has been selling her book, speaking to the media about just about everything. some of the her things, saying e should send the children coming in from central america back home and now we see this poll finding 38% of registered voters told pollsters, other numbers in

polls before the book tour were better. so is all the exposure hurting her. >> she has a book? no idea. no, i think this is probably calculated antonio. i think they go in, the clinton name is a familiar name in america. they want to get by clinton fatigue. have the clinton fatigue happen early and when she decides to run for president, which i imagine she will do and a lot of people will think is a forgone conclusion, it will be a reinvigorated movement. if you tell us 37% of people who really want her and 27 who don't that's in place p. >> she sgd that the irs case could benefit from a fair minded investigation. whether irs employees covered

tea party, any time the irs is involved, for many people it's a real scandal. and now we have batches of e-mails from lois learner, the main irs person involved in this and other irs employees? these reports have been lost because of computers crashing. former secretary of state to sort of digress from her boss and go away from where he was on this. because as you mentioned it's a populace issue, and she has had her own flirtations with missing files in the past, so she has to be careful how she treads on this issue, yes, there's question marks here. generally speaking when you go up against the irs a lot of people have your bark when you're doing -- back when you're doing that. to stray from the president as

she will have to on certain respects and other issues as well. >> you and i and everybody else in the country paid a lot of attention to the big defeat of house majority leader eric cantor in his republican primary. michael smith says there's a postelection poll that shows that cantor won among republicans but lost amongst independents and democrats. it was an open ended primary. that up ends all the reasons pundits said was the reason behind the loss. >> it was such a curious outcome. i know they have the jungle primary there, how many democrats came out to vote. because by and large they were going to vote against cantor because of their distaste for his leadership there and locally. one thing to remember this

pollster as we mentioned is cantor's pollster. he didn't do a great job, he was way way off on the internal polling for that campaign. >> he was probably polling republicans noontd independents and democrats. >> i think it's fascinating. it speaks a little very quickly about the tea party. people said this was such a tea party success, without democrats, the tea party wouldn't have mattered as much. it was more that so many people from conservative republicans to democrats. >> thank you for being here. the capture of amu aba katalla, what he could be telling investigators who are 94 interrogating him on a u.s. neafer -- navy ship in the mediterranean sea.

despite soiption from many republicans who feel he should go directly to guantanamo and face a military tribunal. took the lives of four americans and left ten others injuries in benghazi. fret burton vicfred burton, and, fred and sam are the authors of under fire, the untold story of the attack on benghazi. fred i will start with you. we learned more about the mission to get katala, he was lured to the location after delta force received intelligence from locals. special forces captured him, no shots fired, he wasn't guarded. it is curious, the timing, i

know the suspect was identified early after the attack and he certainly was accessible to a range of reporters from various international media outlets who interviewed him inside benghazi. so what do you mean by curious timing? a lot of people are puzzled as to why it took so long. >> well as sam and i figured out for our book, "under fire," the suspects connected to the special mission compound attack were identified by the fbi and the intelligence community within a few months after, and when you look at this in context in my assessment the u.s. special operations community could have picked up katala as well as many others, many months ago. >> that's the question. why haven't they picked him up

and those other people you're referring to? >> these decisions are always political. the special operations community that's putting together the tactical plans, they are ready to go when the green light is given. but the green light is given from the national security council and that would be a question that you would have to address to them. i don't know the answer to. >> are you surprised sam that they've moved so slowly? >> no. timing is always of question, and everything is always politicized. but their operational requirements could have been taken into consideration, it could have been that the opportunity to snatch him without there being massive firefights or any other type of resistance could have been dependent on a particular opportunity. there have been terrorists in the past that the u.s. intelligence community has gone after and has come very close to catching. 13, 14 years after the fact.

i think the important thing about this operation was that the operators went into the country and went out with the target that they had intended to capture without a shot being fired or any of our force he being killed or wounded. >> as opposed to those people we have waited many years to capture, this person was pretty accessible. there are references that after the other incident the libya. benghazi branch of ansir al sharia. how accessible was he? >> evidence was he was clearly involved, clearly important enough that the u.s. special operations community would risk invaluable assets like delta to pick him up. he wasn't just a mid level or low level operative who might have been snared somehow by the local authorities or gone away

with, by a drone strike or something. he was worthy enough to pick up because perhaps he has information that leads the a matrix of other salifist and jihaddists, that could help protect u.s. installations in the future. >> talk about that intelligence, fred you conducted a lot of operations similar to what katala is receiving now. he did receive a miranda warning. will he fill in the blanks what the motives were? >> i think so. it is my experience most of these terrorists do talk. they are proud of their accomplishments. this is an overwhelming event. he's been transported out of his turf. he is now in u.s. custody. it would not surprise me in the least for the fbi to show him photographs that were taken from the surveillance footage,

captured at the ambassador's villa, and helped them identify other suspects. to me, the more curious point now that he is in u.s. custody is, how long before we start seeing some of his statements leak out concerning whether or not there was an infamous film video that provoked him to be involved, or really, the granular details as he knows what took place. >> well, on the video front sam, form he secretary of state hillary clinton's book tour has coincided about all this and she was asked why the state department reportedly told the libyan government that this was a islamist attack. have listen to this. >> i don't know of anybody saying it is only the video now but i think at the time there was a lot of information flowing

around that we were trying to assess that at least it played a part. we knew it had in cairo, which was next door to libya. also we were trying to sort things out like who did what when and information kept changing. >> at some point are we getting the straight story on this? >> clearly we're not getting the straight story now. cairo was far enough from benghazi that it shouldn't matter. the five state department, they were under terrorist attack and these were reports that they gave out and down the chain of command through the embassy in tripoli down to washington, everyone knew it was a terrorist attack. >> did samantha power write that katari was planning more terrorist attacks? do you think he would be capable of that outside libya?

>> i think outside libya would be more problematic. having said that, if you look at for example we had the jordannian ambassador to libya kidnapped in tripoli, we have had targeted assassinations of various jordannian officials. i would be more worried about u.s. or western interests for example in tripoli in light of this. >> well, if people want a very clear description of what happened that night in benghazi they should pick up your book, "under fire, the untold story of the attack in benghazi. ed from and sam, glad to have you with us. trending on the web. hermella. >> stop apologizing, the video is going viral.

>> i have a question. >> sorry do you have a minute? >> sorry. >> yes. can i squeeze in here? >> sorry, sorry, sorry. >> the second half of the ad show the same women speaking more pointly. differences in the way men and women are described at work. men are a boss and women are bossy. men are persuasive and women are pushy and so on. that ad has gotten over 46 million views online. looks like pa pantene, gets peoe to talk more about sha shampoo.

antonio, dove is known for their social commentary in their commercials, when it's done it gets people talking. every hour is 10,000 views. >> amazing, thanks hermella. straight ahead, mental illness affects millions of americans. but should that prevent them from keeping their kids? a fine debate. also an 11-year-old, competing on avery adult stage of golf, lucy li. >> an a i scientific face of the future, a teenager's bold way to save our seas.

>> should parents lose their children when they're diagnosed with a mental illness even when no harm has been done? most state governments work on the theory that those children are more likely to hurt in the future. for more i'm joined by seth freed-westler. seth, good to have you here. really powerful story. you started with one example. a woman named mi minute named ma

psychological evaluation and at that point they took the child away from her. later on things settled down she was found to be fine, no issues, judges, evaluators found she could take care of the kids, but the daughter was never returned to her, in fact she will never get the daughter back now, a theory called predictive neglect. >> that's right. about 30 states have laws on the books that say that if a parent is deemed to be mentally disabled to the point that they are unlikely to be able to safely take care of their ced, the state can severe parental rights -- sever parental rights between the parent and the kids. that makes sense, if the parent can't take care of themselves they probably can't take care of a child. but i found in the course of my reporting, that in many cases children are being removed from

parents and then parental rights are being terminated, not on the basis that a child has been actually harmed but on a prediction what that mental illness might mean in the future. >> and in mindy's case, she had another child and was a perfectly capable mother. >> in her case she had a second child, living over the missouri state line in the state of kansas. canzler removed this baby from the hospital. thinking that if a baby was removed in missouri, we should check into it. they could find nothing to prevent her, and now raising without incident, completely healthy, happy little kid. meanwhile the state of missouri says it won't returned mindy's

daughter to her, her daughter has now been adopted, this is all on the basis of this prediction that because of an old mental health diagnosis she poses some sort of danger. >> there is some correlation between the higher risk of abuse of children from people who have mental health diagnosis and people who don't. >> certainly, mental health issues, child neglect and abuse certainly correlate at times. there are many things that correlate with higher rates of abuse and neglect. the question is, does that mean that that person is going to pose a danger to their child? the way that's valuated, the process under which the courts are making that determination, tends to be rather flawed and shallow process. >> in mindy's case, one of the judges said, she made some odd faces in his courtroom and that

was enough for him to confirm the bad things about her. >> things seen all the time, that judges and child welfare agencies look at anything the person does strange. that is the sign they are crazy, too crazy to be parenting a child. if a person were e-without a diagnosis were to do the vaim thing they wouldn't lose their kids. >> you also mentioned that part of it may be that there are old laws on the books, that a person like mindy would be ended up committed based on that one episode. >> old laws allowed for people to be put away for a long period of time because of diagnosis and also in some cases sterilized forcibly paws of a mental -- because of a mental disability. the laws are much more nuanced than that and these cases are very often complicate id.

but ultimately in many case -- complicated. courts are operating under an antiquated basis of what mental illness is, that you can't survive part of larger society. >> better to be safe than sorry, a case in 2008 where a mother drown her three children. a situation where people had repeatedly brought up the fact that she had issues and nothing had been done. >> frankly in that case and in mindy's case, few people argue whether she should have been removed from the hospital when she had a psychotic episode. the question is, is that enough to terminate a person's rights permanently, when there's real indications when she's capable of parenting, parenting another kid. nobody is going oargue that if a parent is posing a real risk to their kid that, that that child

should remain at home. and that's what child welfare departments are there to do. these cases move forward, once a person has a diagnosis and their case is in the system, this moves forward and they aren't able to get their kids back even when they're recovered. >> research shows one of eight kids suffer are abuse or neglect by the time they're 18. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. he might save our oceans from mass pollution. first, an 11-year-old is getting set to battle for a u.s. open championship. our data dive is next. next.

should juvenile killers serve life without parole? >> the didn't even ask for the money they just shot him. >> horrendous crimes committed by kids. >> i think that at sixteen it's a little too early to write him

off for life. >> should they be locked away for good? >> he had a tough upbringing but he still had to have known right from wrong. >> today's data dive looks add minors with major careers. lucy li is swinging big. she'll compete in the u.s. open, at pinehurst north carolina. she can drive the ball 230 yards. >> it's awesome, right? it's mind-blowing.

the food is great and it's been a lot of fun. >> mind-blowing for everyone. lucy's only been playing dwofl for four years. early success won't always lead to dominance. michel wi, 24 now, even though she's a solid pro, injured have hurt her career and she's still looking for her first major win of a tournament. didn't even put tiger woods in the youngest. 1868, he was just 17. john mcdermott and gene saracen also won majors as minors. 15-year-old joe nuxhall pitched for cincinnati redwoo reds.

these days, training kids for big time pro-sports is big business. the ing academy is an elite training ground for athletes and many start early, very early. kids as young as 11 live there full time. while some star kids get free rides, other parents shell out much more than they would for an ivy league education. cleecollege teams, this week sis who is going into his senior year is reportedly on the verge of backing out to attend west virginia university instead. we'll talk to a different kind of teenage wunderkind next. >> hi everyone, i'm john siegenthaler in new york. coming up right after "consider

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ray suarez hosts inside story weekdays at 5 eastern only on al jazeera america >> could a decades-old problem of ocean cleanup be solved by someone who's only been alive for two decades? can't legally buy a beer in the u.s., but he's come up with a major solution to pollution in our oceans. the boy wonder behind us joins us now to explain it. boyan slot is the boy wonder from the netherlands.

good to have you with us. you were swimming in greece and you encountered a lot of plastic trash in the water. then as a high school project, you came up with this project. massive barriers formed in the shape of a v. >> thank you for explaining that, that's absolutely correct. i started this indeed when i was 16 years old. then it sort of got out of hand. and one year ago, i even decided to pause my first year of university and my social life to focus all my time on proving the idea was actually feasible. >> these arms of the v are absolutely massive, aren't they? >> right. so on every side of sort of the platform in the center of this v there is over 50 kilometers of floating barrier. that immediately brings me to

the major point we had to solve. out of the 50 questions we covered in the last year, the most difficult one was to make sure these floating barriers stay alive in extreme conditions like storms. >> and so you're talking about basically each side of that v being more than 30 miles long. and so you would hope that they would just gather all this plastic in a passive way, so that there's no danger to wildlife? >> correct. so what happens is, in the past there have been many ideas to clean this up using vessels and nets that would sort of go out and fish for plastic. but not only would this take about 79,000 years and cost many billions of dollars but it would also create lots of bi-catch in the form of sea life. why would you go through oceans

if you if the oceans couldn't go through you? the ocean passions through the barriers, this takes away the nutrient buoyant sea life. >> the arm goes a little above the water but also it goes down below the water and that way grabs this mostly plastic? >> correct. so nobody exactly knew what -- how to what depth the plastic was. so last year, our in the past year, i then assembled a team of 100 people with whom we tried the answer all these questions. and part of that was organizing three expeditions to one of these ocean garbage patches and then we measured that the plastic, most of the plastic is within the top one to three meters. so that's the area we're focusing on. >> all right so you believe that with your testing this will work, that it can handle as much

as 95% of ocean trash, the 5% you can't get is very small fragments? >> it is 80 to 90% and that is indeed the particles that are below approximately a few millimeters that is because they are not buoyant enough so they will also get taken away by the current. and but the good thing is that it does catch the plastic that is larger than that which is almost 90% of the plastic. and this means that that plastic doesn't break down into the smaller particles. because you know that's something we can't prevent. >> right, of course a lot of this plastic is getting into the seafood and conceivably into the human diet. you've started a crowd sourcing campaign to raise $2 million to fund this. i know you're already at a half million dollars at least. if this all does get fully

implementhow much will it cost and how soon do you think the oceans could significantly be cleaned up? >> well, of course, we will not be able to get out every last kiloorpound in what's in the kilo, or pound. but we can remove at least half of the garbage patch. this would cost about 30 million euros per year, that may sound expensive but 30 times cheaper than conventional methods, more expensive than to leave it in the oceans. >> you hope you can finance part of it by recycle the plastic you pull out. >> right. first we prove that we can turn this ocean plastic into oil,

just as suitable for normal plastic for this process. then we wondered could we recycle it into new materials? we thought there would be no more fitting way to show that than by making the actual cover of the feasibility report out of the ocean plastic that's been floating for decades. >> there are estimates a million sea birds are getting killed ber year and 100,000 ocean mammals and turtles because of this garbage. congratulations on your idea. hope it works. hope you get it executed. i should congratulate you and congratulate t on the netherlands winning their world cup match today. >> thank you very much. >> congress is demanding action on boko haram. sheila jackson lee will join us. and providing a voice to the voiceless, muslims are being

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