>> i think that at sixteen it's a little too early to write him off for life. >> should they be locked away for good? >> he had a tough upbringing but he still had to have known right from wrong. president obama attempts a meeting of the minds with congressional leaders from iraq. table. a new poll spells bad news for the president. does it mean the public is over. should mental illness take away a parent's rite to live with their kids. and we meet a teenager that could hep to save our oceans. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", here is more on what's ahead. .

>> president obama met with congressional leaders to discuss the crisis in iraq, hours after assistance. >> it is in our national security interest to counter i.s.i.l. wherever we find them. >> if i.s.i.l. succeeds, it will pose a threat to the security of this nation. >> no one hurt or injured. >> i believe he should be prosecuted in a federal court. >> gitmo is the perfect place to keep him. >> i believe the great pacific garbage patch can clean itself in five years. we created the mess. please, don't tell me we can't clean this up together. we begin with iraq. the country continued to unravel on wednesday as i.s.i.l. forces battled for control over the

biggest oil refinery south of baghdad. several reports claim i.s.i.l. claimed control. nouri al-maliki insisted the fight was still going on. president obama spent an hour with top congressional leaders with ongoing consultation on iraq. he told the leaders he did not need congressional authorisation for moves in iraq and discussed ways to strengthen their security forces and pushing the nouri al-maliki government to set aside sectarian issues. reports were concerned that the nouri al-maliki asked for military aid. >> we have a request from the iraqi government for air power. >> you do. >> we do. >> do you think it's in our national security interest to hop our that request? >> it's in our security interest to counter i.s.i.l. >> i'm joined from baghdad by omar al saleh.

reports say i.s.i.l. has taken the large oil refinery, an rouky military source de -- iraqi military source denies that. what have you heard? >> we spoke to a person who works there, through a relative. he said that the rebels controlled the refinery and staff were asked to leave. we understand that the refinery is understand control of the rebels. another source says that 75% of the refinery is under control of the i.s.i.l. fighters. now, the government is refuting all of this, saying they managed to repel the attack and kill between 50 to 60 fighters. and they say they are in control of this refinery. conflicting reports as to what

happened, but from previous reports during the last week we understand the fighters have the upper hand in and around beigy where the refinery is located. >> what would a takeover of the refinery mean for nouri al-maliki's government and i.s.i.l. to control a big refinery like that will be a big boost. >> absolutely. it's a blow to the government's effort. the refinery is the biggest in the country. it will not affect exports. most of iraq's oil exports go from the south, from basra. however, it will affect the local consumption of gas and fuel, and again it will boost the moral of the rebels, who are advancing in different parts of iraq. the government is saying that they are sending reinforcements

and are trying to retake different towns and sis, including the re -- cities, including the refineries. the government is making a lot of statements trying to affirm iraqis that their forces have the upper hand not only in beigy, but in other parts of iraq as well. >> the white house has urged nouri al-maliki to reach out to iraqi sunnis and kurds in order for him to get more u.s. aid. the prime minister apparently has done the opposite. he accused his political opponents of helping a regional plot to tear the country apart. in the meantime the government asked for american air strikes against i.s.i.l. under the circumstances, does it expect the u.s. to comply? >> i don't think so. because the american president - president obama mentioned clearly that he wants iraqi leaders to be more open, and to

try and bring in all the opponents, the political opponents in this political process. remember, the prime minister, nouri al-maliki, has problems with the sunni community, with their politicians. he has problems with the kurds, and problems with his own swider coalition. he needs to reach out. in terms of what he has done, there's nothing concrete. he was part of a meeting where different leaders were gathering. it was hailed as a good step. they came out saying that iraqis are agreed to unite against the terrorist wave against the country, but there were no concrete steps to bridge the differences and end the cries suss. >> there's the shadow of iran. hassan rouhani says tehran will intervene if the i.s.i.l. follows through on threats on shia shrines.

according to the bbc, 100 members of the iran's revolutionary guard are already in iraqs. will they accept iranians come worse. >> it will make things worse. >> some of the kurds, not all, will not accept the iranian presence. when you speak to the ordinarily iraqis, they tell you the iran are well involved in iraqi politics since the u.s. occupation of this country. this is something not really new. now, they are - they are accusing iran of meddling into iraqi politics. rainians have close -- iranians have close ties with the shia led government, but the former prime minister, eljavry. this is something that is not new. iraq refuted the fact that there

are involvement of iranian forces in this country, and they say we are only allies. however, iraq has its own sovereignty, and the regional countries need to respect that. >> the u.n. declared iraq a level 3 humanitarian crisis. 1.5 million displaced. it's a terrible situation in iraq. al jazeera, omar al saleh, appreciate you joining us. thanks. >> i'm joined from washington d.c. by retired air force colonel, who lek fewereded at the nation -- lectured at the national research institute and war colleges, and the vice president and distinguished scholar at the woodrow international center, a forker state advisor, and the dollar of "the end of greatness - why america can't have and doesn't want another great president."

the president met with congressional leaders about iraq on wednesday to go over responses. they talked about what the administration was thinking about. what options are available? >> well, the options they are talking about is increased intelligence for ourselves and to provide the iraqi government. they are talking about options of putting special operations forces into iraq. then there is the air strike option. which is the one that seems to be getting the most attention, and finally, there's the idea do we pull more people out of the embassies for example, and reduce the vulnerability done? >> there's no good options. it's like the crisis we've been in for syria and over the ukraine. the military options have very little possibility of achieving a success.

it just is not in the cards to point. >> i know you agree, you've written that the obama administration will succumb to pressure to do something in iraq, but i don't think it should, aaron. >> iraq has been held a bad hand in terms of where t its demooing raffy and geography. unless you can create a sustainable, equitable balance in which these confessional groups, shia, sunni and kurds participate in a broader sense of iraqi identity, iraq is going to be vulnerable to iranian aspire suggestses and as we see from syria, the emergence of giugni jihadi groups who play the alienation.

the fact that 5,000-8,000 guys with light weapons could take over the second largest city and large swaths of the county and an oil refinery in the matter of a week, suggests to me the iraqi stage is an empty shell. i agree with your guest, that - military options are pretty scant. i mean, yes, we can use predator drones, but you can't hold the country together. no matter how good the intelligence is. >> general martin dempsey told the senate it's in america's interest to counter-i.s.i.l. wherever we find them, we haven't done it so far. should we take action under these circumstances. >> he said to counter i.s.i.l. wherever he find them. he didn't say to counter

i.s.i.l. in iraq. i think that the notion that we are supplying and going to increase supply for moderate forces in syria is in part an attempt to counter i.s.i.l. but the thing about iraq is there isn't any place to provide military force that's going to do any leverage. it's a fluid battlefield where you can't be sure where good guys or bad guys are. the idea of air strikes, and the idea of military force there just is such a terrible idea. >> but then what do we do, aaron. we talked to darryl benjamin and he said the lesson number one of 21st september jury politics is not to allow states to fail. if i.s.i.l. is allowed to hold an enormous territory, it controls from syria down to iraq - wouldn't it be ignoring

the lesson and we'd face the darping of the possible -- danger of this possible terrorist safe haven? >> sure. but we have that in large areas of pakistan, somalia and yem ebb, and you'll -- yemen, and you'll have it in africa. if you want to turn iraq. >> a counterterrorism problem and find a solution through good intelligence partnerships with the neighbouring states. that may well be a sensible kind of policy. but i just don't see how - right now, how the president is going to avoid doing something. he's under withering criticism for advocating his leadership, heading to the exits too fast. ignoring a red line in syria. not dealing with the worst human stairian crisis. -- humanitarian crisis

since the end of the world war ii. i think the use of military options will not be effective. i think he will have to do something. it most likely will involve once collection of intelligence is complete or more comprehensive in the use of drones and ped tors -- predators against i.s.i.l. positions in the north, convoys travelling across the border. because i don't think we have right now any other good options. areas... > you wrote that this is not our neighbourhood and we can't get sucked back into an iraq war. the issue that we can't do anything on the diplomatic frond bus the 800 bound guerillas that live in the area are at each other's throats. >> no, i think if grand ayatollah sistani who carries

weight in the shia community of iraq and iranians, fear that sunni jihadists, i.s.i.s. as well as collateral sunni tribes are presenting a maim yore threat -- major threat, fragmentation of the country, iranians want to avoid refugee flows. i think they might be able to create a situation by nouri al-maliki is forced out, and you would identify newer shia leader with whom the sunnis and the kurds have more confidence in. that repairs a decision on the part of the locals, those that live in iran, those that live in iraq, various elements, to craft the foundation of a political solution. maybe if we employed regional actors and military power on our

own or intel, perhaps we can craft an outcome that is better than the situation we see now. >> colonel. do you think the consequences of doing nothing, or the consequences of doing something. which is worse. >> we can do something. >> there's a consensus amongst nations about the need to deal with this growing threat of terrorism spilling out of syria and now iraq. that is a basis on which we can make this not a united states issue, but a broader global issue. we need to work in that direction, lith. >> there has been so much trouble getting the global actors to agree. >> a worrisome situation. thank you both for joining us. >> now for more stories from around the world. we begin if ukraine where president petro porashenko laid

out a 14-stel peace plan for -- 14-step peace plan for east ukraine after a call with putin, including a cease fire, tougher border control and amnesty for arm. the defence minister predicted the ceasefire will happen in the next few days next to washington d.c. - the redskins have been dealt a blow, the u.s. patent office cancelled the trademark registrations saying the name is disparaging, but there's an appeal, and there was confidence it would be overturned. courts have sided with the redskins in the past and in thailand - a youtube video titled "they stand up to protest", has gone virus. it shows a huge flock of ducks

blocking a rural road, bringing traffic to a standstill. why do the ducks cross the road? according to the driver, they were following a farmer in search of food. as for the name of the video, it's a reference to the anti-government protest that rocked thailand this year, leading to a military coup. coming up, critical irs emails have gone mia - the explanation not satisfying many. and the man that wrote the book on benghazi. join us about the latest capture. and what is trending harmeli aregawi on the web. >> a shampoo ad wants women to stop apologising. looks like it struck a cord with a lot of people, because it's going viral. while you are watching join the conversation at:

>> as president obama faces pressure on what action to take

in iraq, a new poll shows a large percentage of americans disapprove of how he is handling foreign policy. a 54% of registered voters believe he cannot lead and get the job done. according to a wall street journal poll. form he secretary of state hillary clinton isn't faring well either. joining us from los angeles to talk about the political headlines is al jazeera america political contributor michael shorer. president obama's being after 2006 in katrina. and 54% as i said said he can't lead and get the job done. that led nbc's chuck todd to say, that amounts to the public telling president obama his presidency is over.

this lack of public confidence has to hurt the president's ability to govern. >> it does. why chuck todd would say that, he works for nbc. as you said, you know, a second term president is different than someone who's running for reelection. what's going on around the country right now is there are a ton of people running against barack obama. so all of this, you know a lot of these numbers are affected by that. these local and state and federal elections that are happening, the president isn't up for anything, that doesn't help him though. it isn't good to have your leadership question at any time especially going into a foreign policy situation as they are dealing with iraq right now. >> only about a third of americans think he's doing a good job on foreign policy, he has to lead on iraq. he met with leaders on wednesday, it was a good

meeting, but the iraq plan would not require congressional vote, will that roughly feathers? >> that doesn't ruffle feathers. there were congressional leaders in the meeting. the president has the authority to do this going under the acts of 2000, 2001, 2003. barbara lee the congresswoman from california says wait a second, we want to sunset those bills and have the president come back here to ask for authority. he's going to get some unexpected trouble from his own party on this. >> meanwhile, hillary clinton has been selling her book, speaking to the media about just about everything. some of the her things, saying e should send the children coming in from central america back home and now we see this poll finding

38% of registered voters told pollsters, other numbers in polls before the book tour were better. so is all the exposure hurting her. >> she has a book? no idea. no, i think this is probably calculated antonio. i think they go in, the clinton name is a familiar name in america. they want to get by clinton fatigue. have the clinton fatigue happen early and when she decides to run for president, which i imagine she will do and a lot of people will think is a forgone conclusion, it will be a reinvigorated movement. if you tell us 37% of people who really want her and 27 who don't that's in place p. >> she sgd that the irs case

could benefit from a fair minded investigation. whether irs employees covered tea party, any time the irs is involved, for many people it's a real scandal. and now we have batches of e-mails from lois learner, the main irs person involved in this and other irs employees? these reports have been lost because of computers crashing. former secretary of state to sort of digress from her boss and go away from where he was on this. because as you mentioned it's a populace issue, and she has had her own flirtations with missing files in the past, so she has to be careful how she treads on this issue, yes, there's question marks here. generally speaking when you go up against the irs a lot of

people have your bark when you're doing -- back when you're doing that. to stray from the president as she will have to on certain respects and other issues as well. >> you and i and everybody else in the country paid a lot of attention to the big defeat of house majority leader eric cantor in his republican primary. michael smith says there's a postelection poll that shows that cantor won among republicans but lost amongst independents and democrats. it was an open ended primary. that up ends all the reasons pundits said was the reason behind the loss. >> it was such a curious outcome. i know they have the jungle primary there, how many democrats came out to vote. because by and large they were going to vote against cantor

because of their distaste for his leadership there and locally. one thing to remember this pollster as we mentioned is cantor's pollster. he didn't do a great job, he was way way off on the internal polling for that campaign. >> he was probably polling republicans noontd independents and democrats. >> i think it's fascinating. it speaks a little very quickly about the tea party. people said this was such a tea party success, without democrats, the tea party wouldn't have mattered as much. it was more that so many people from conservative republicans to democrats. >> thank you for being here. the capture of amu aba katalla, what he could be telling investigators who are 94 interrogating him on a u.s.

neafer -- navy ship in the mediterranean sea. despite soiption from many republicans who feel he should go directly to guantanamo and face a military tribunal. took the lives of four americans and left ten others injuries in benghazi. fret burton vic fred burton, and samuel katz, fred and sam are the authors of under fire, the untold story of the attack on benghazi. fred i will start with you. we learned more about the mission to get katala, he was lured to the location after delta force received intelligence from locals. special forces captured him, no

shots fired, he wasn't guarded. it is curious, the timing, i know the suspect was identified early after the attack and he certainly was accessible to a range of reporters from various international media outlets who interviewed him inside benghazi. so what do you mean by curious timing? a lot of people are puzzled as to why it took so long. >> well as sam and i figured out for our book, "under fire," the suspects connected to the special mission compound attack were identified by the fbi and the intelligence community within a few months after, and when you look at this in context in my assessment the u.s. special operations community could have picked up katala as

well as many others, many months ago. >> that's the question. why haven't they picked him up and those other people you're referring to? >> these decisions are always political . the special operations community that's putting together the tactical plans, they are ready to go when the green light is given. but the green light is given from the national security council and that would be a question that you would have to address to them. i don't know the answer to. >> are you surprised sam that they've moved so slowly? >> no. timing is always of question, and everything is always politicized. but their operational requirements could have been taken into consideration, it could have been that the opportunity to snatch him without there being massive firefights or any other type of resistance could have been dependent on a particular opportunity. there have been terrorists in

the past that the u.s. intelligence community has gone after and has come very close to catching. 13, 14 years after the fact. i think the important thing about this operation was that the operators went into the country and went out with the target that they had intended to capture without a shot being fired or any of our force he being killed or wounded. >> as opposed to those people we have waited many years to accessible. there are references that after the other incident the libya. benghazi branch of ansir al sharia. how accessible was he? >> evidence was he was clearly involved, clearly important enough that the u.s. special operations community would risk invaluable assets like delta to pick him up.

he wasn't just a mid level or low level operative who might have been snared somehow by the local authorities or gone away with, by a drone strike or something. he was worthy enough to pick up because perhaps he has information that leads the a matrix of other salifist and jihaddists, that could help protect u.s. installations in the future. >> talk about that intelligence, fred you conducted a lot of operations similar to what katala is receiving now. he did receive a miranda warning. will he fill in the blanks what the motives were? >> i think so. it is my experience most of these terrorists do talk. accomplishments. this is an overwhelming event. he's been transported out of his turf. he is now in u.s. custody. it would not surprise me in the

least for the fbi to show him photographs that were taken from the surveillance footage, captured at the ambassador's villa, and helped them identify other suspects. to me, the more curious point now that he is in u.s. custody is, how long before we start seeing some of his statements leak out concerning whether or not there was an infamous film video that provoked him to be involved, or really, the granular details as he knows what took place. >> well, on the video front sam, form he secretary of state hillary clinton's book tour has coincided about all this and she was asked why the state department reportedly told the libyan government that this was a islamist attack. have listen to this.

>> i don't know of anybody saying it is only the video now but i think at the time there was a lot of information flowing around that we were trying to assess that at least it played a part. we knew it had in cairo, which was next door to libya. also we were trying to sort things out like who did what when and information kept changing. >> at some point are we getting the straight story on this? >> clearly we're not getting the straight story now. cairo was far enough from benghazi that it shouldn't matter. the five state department, they were under terrorist attack and these were reports that they gave out and down the chain of command through the embassy in tripoli down to washington, everyone knew it was a terrorist attack. >> did samantha power write that

katari was planning more terrorist attacks? do you think he would be capable of that outside libya? >> i think outside libya would be more problematic. having said that, if you look at for example we had the jordannian ambassador to libya kidnapped in tripoli, we have had targeted assassinations of various jordannian officials. i would be more worried about u.s. or western interests for example in tripoli in light of this. >> well, if people want a very clear description of what happened that night in benghazi they should pick up your book, "under fire, the untold story of the attack in benghazi. ed from and sam, glad to have you with us.

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to talk more about sham shampoo. antonio, dove is known for their social commentary in their commercials, when it's done it gets people talking. every hour is 10,000 views. >> amazing, thanks hermella. straight ahead, mental illness affects millions of americans. but should that prevent them from keeping their kids? a fine debate. also an 11-year-old, competing on avery adult stage of golf, lucy li. >> an a i scientific face of the

>> should parents lose their children when they're diagnosed

with a mental illness even when no harm has been done? most state governments work on the theory that those children are more likely to hurt in the future. for more i'm joined by seth freed-westler. seth, good to have you here. really powerful story. you started with one example. a woman named mi minut named mindy, set for a psychological evaluation and at that point they took the child away from her. later on things settled down she was found to be fine, no issues, judges, evaluators found she could take care of the kids, but the daughter was never returned to her, in fact she will never get the daughter back now, a

theory called predictive neglect. >> that's right. about 30 states have laws on the books that say that if a parent is deemed to be mentally disabled to the point that they are unlikely to be able to safely take care of their ced, the state can severe parental rights -- sever parental rights between the parent and the kids. that makes sense, if the parent can't take care of themselves they probably can't take care of a child. but i found in the course of my reporting, that in many cases children are being removed from parents and then parental rights are being terminated, not on the basis that a child has been actually harmed but on a prediction what that mental illness might mean in the future. >> and in mindy's case, she had another child and was a perfectly capable mother.

>> in her case she had a second child, living over the missouri state line in the state of kansas. canzler removed this baby from the hospital. thinking that if a baby was removed in missouri, we should check into it. they could find nothing to prevent her, and now raising without incident, completely healthy, happy little kid. meanwhile the state of missouri says it won't returned m indy's daughter to her, her daughter has now been adopted, this is all on the basis of this prediction that because of an old mental health diagnosis she poses some sort of danger. >> there is some correlation between the higher risk of abuse of children from people who have mental health diagnosis and people who don't.

>> certainly, mental health issues, child neglect and abuse certainly correlate at times. there are many things that correlate with higher rates of abuse and neglect. the question is, does that mean that that person is going to pose a danger to their child? the way that's valuated, the process under which the courts are making that determination, tends to be rather flawed and shallow process. >> in mindy's case, one of the judges said, she made some odd faces in his courtroom and that was enough for him to confirm the bad things about her. >> things seen all the time, that judges and child welfare agencies look at anything the person does strange. that is the sign they are crazy, too crazy to be parenting a child. if a person were e-without a diagnosis were to do the vaim

thing they wouldn't lose their kids. >> you also mentioned that part of it may be that there are old laws on the books, that a person like mindy would be ended up committed based on that one episode. >> old laws allowed for people to be put away for a long period of time because of diagnosis and also in some cases sterilized forcibly paws of a mental -- because of a mental disability. the laws are much more nuanced than that and these cases are very often complicate id. but ultimately in many case -- complicated. courts are operating under an antiquated basis of what mental illness is, that you can't survive part of larger society. >> better to be safe than sorry, a case in 2008 where a mother

drown her three children. a situation where people had repeatedly brought up the fact that she had issues and nothing had been done. >> frankly in that case and in mindy's case, few people argue whether she should have been removed from the hospital when she had a psychotic episode. the question is, is that enough to terminate a person's rights permanently, when there's real indications when she's capable of parenting, parenting another kid. nobody is going oargue that if a parent is posing a real risk to their kid that, that that child should remain at home. and that's what child welfare departments are there to do. these cases move forward, once a person has a diagnosis and their case is in the system, this moves forward and they aren't able to get their kids back even when they're recovered. >> research shows one of eight

kids suffer are abuse or neglect by the time they're 18. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me on. he might save our oceans from mass pollution. first, an 11-year-old is getting set to battle for a u.s. open should juvenile killers serve life without parole? >> the didn't even ask for the money they just shot him. >> horrendous crimes committed by kids. >> i think that at sixteen it's a little too early to write him off for life. >> should they be locked away for good? >> he had a tough upbringing but he still had to have known right from wrong.

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>> could a decades-old problem of ocean cleanup be solved by someone who's only been alive for two decades? can't legally buy a beer in the u.s., but he's come up with a major solution to pollution in our oceans. the boy wonder behind us joins us now to explain it. boyan slot is the boy wonder from the netherlands. good to have you with us. you were swimming in greece and you encountered a lot of plastic trash in the water. then as a high school project, you came up with this project. massive barriers

formed in the shape of a v. >> thank you for explaining that, that's absolutely correct. i started this indeed when i was 16 years old. then it sort of got out of hand. and one year ago, i even decided to pause my first year of university and my social life to focus all my time on proving the idea was actually feasible. >> these arms of the v are absolutely massive, aren't they? >> right. so on every side of sort of the platform in the center of this v there is over 50 kilometers of floating barrier. that immediately brings me to the major point we had to solve. out of the 50 questions we covered in the last year, the most difficult one was to make sure these floating barriers stay alive in extreme conditions like storms. >> and so you're talking about basically each side of that v

being more than 30 miles long. and so you would hope that they would just gather all this plastic in a passive way, so that there's no danger to wildlife? >> correct. so what happens is, in the past there have been many ideas to clean this up using vessels and nets that would sort of go out and fish for plastic. but not only would this take about 79,000 years and cost many billions of dollars but it would also create lots of bi-catch in the form of sea life. why would you go through oceans if you if the oceans couldn't go through you? the ocean passions through the barriers, this takes away the nutrient buoyant sea life. >> the arm goes a little above the water but also it goes down

below the water and that way grabs this mostly plastic? >> correct. so nobody exactly knew what -- how to what depth the plastic was. so last year, our in the past year, i then assembled a team of 100 people with whom we tried the answer all these questions. and part of that was organizing three expeditions to one of these ocean garbage patches and then we measured that the plastic, most of the plastic is within the top one to three meters. so that's the area we're focusing on. >> all right so you believe that with your testing this will work, that it can handle as much as 95% of ocean trash, the 5% fragments? >> it is 80 to 90% and that is indeed the particles that are below approximately a few millimeters that is because they

are not buoyant enough so they will also get taken away by the current. and but the good thing is that it does catch the plastic that is larger than that which is almost 90% of the plastic. and this means that that plastic doesn't break down into the smaller particles. because you know that's something we can't prevent. >> right, of course a lot of this plastic is getting into the seafood and conceivably into the human diet. you've started a crowd sourcing campaign to raise $2 million to fund this. i know you're already at a half million dollars at least. if this all does get fully implementhow much will it cost and how soon do you think the oceans could significantly be cleaned up? >> well, of course, we will not be able to get out every last kiloorpound in what's in the

kilo, or pound. but we can remove at least half of the garbage patch. this would cost about 30 million euros per year, that may sound expensive but 30 times cheaper than conventional methods, more expensive than to leave it in the oceans. >> you hope you can finance part of it by recycle the plastic you pull out. >> right. first we prove that we can turn this ocean plastic into oil, just as suitable for normal plastic for this process. then we wondered could we recycle it into new materials? we thought there would be no more fitting way to show that than by making the actual cover of the feasibility report out of

the ocean plastic that's been floating for decades. >> there are estimates a million sea birds are getting killed ber year and 100,000 ocean mammals and turtles because of this garbage. congratulations on your idea. hope it works. hope you get it executed. i should congratulate you and congratulate t on the netherlands winning their world cup match today. >> thank you very much. >> congress is demanding action on boko haram. sheila jackson lee will join us. and providing a voice to the voiceless, muslims are being confined to camps and denied doctors. the conversation will continue on, @ajconsiderthis. we'll see you next time.

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