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we begin with the u.s. military advisors on their way to iraq as calls for prime minister nouri al-maliki to step down get louder. the grand ia toldy cleric in iraq -- ia toldy cleric in iraq called for an offensive. a top sunni commander, considered a master mind after saddam hussein was deposed, says thousands of his men are working with the i.s.i.l. militants, and they will fight. he warned that they are not aparade of a civil war -- afraid of a civil war. a chilling recruitment for i.s.i.l. is encouraged muslims to head to syria and iraq, and warns of a bigger war. >> we somewhere letters from bangladesh, from iraq, from cambodia, australia, u.k. the fighting - fighting enemies. no one does it like us.

we will go to iraq in a few days and fight. and we will come back and go to jordan or lebanon with no problems. >> the video coming as the obama administration is viewing the crisis in syria and iraq as a single challenge or a threat. we are joined from baghdad by correspondent omar al saleh. more fighting in the anbar province, we are seeing pictures of what the iraqi government says is a fight over iraq's largest oil refinery, despite the fact that i.s.i.l. raised its flag there. what is going on? >> well, in anbar province, there were two attacks. the first happened in - gunmen attacked a convoy of new recruits, killing 16 of those recruits. in another part north of fallujah, there was a suicide bomber driving a truck loaded with

explosive, targeted a building that houses government soldiers. that attack killed 20. back to beigy, it is still under the control of the rebels from the islamic state of iraq and levant, backed by other sunni fighters. when it comes to the refinery, the government is in control of the refinery. i.s.i.l. fighters attack the refinery. the government is telling us they killed dozens of attackers. it is, however, shut. >> what about the government of nouri al-maliki. vladimir putin is pledging support, american help is on the way, and nouri al-maliki is losing support upon the base. one of the most important clerics said that nouri al-maliki has to go. politically. >> that's anyone's gs at this statement -- anyone's guess at this stage, because nouri al-maliki is emboldened.

he has the support of the community, from volunteers to beef up the security. he also has managed to portray this fight as a fight against terror. that's why he galvanised most of the shi'a support. when it comes to the grand ayatollah, he is influential. he made a statement through a representative in a sermon. he called on the politicians to act quickly to form a new government and called on the parliament to convene as soon as possible to choose a speaker of personal, a president and a new government that meets the aspirations of the iraqi people, and to correct the mistakes that were committed. now, here lies the whole thing, some are interpreting this as a criticism towards the prime minister from the grand ayatollah. others are saying, no, it's not a direct criticism, he is

calling the grand ia tolla, calling on politicians to unite to end the violence. the prime minister, as i said, wants to win a determined office, trying to form the coalition, to form a government. he is not letting it slip through. he wants a third term in office. >> talking about the war on terror. the sheikh, the master mind of the sunni insurgency that fault the u.s. during the war is saying in an interview with the telegraph, one of the only interviews he has done, that if nouri al-maliki doesn't step down, his men will take baghdad back, and says i.s.i.l. is not the biggest part of the insurgency and doesn't care about the civil war. how much of a threat is he, or the people that report to him. >> i think it's important. these guys have power. it's not about individuals here. what is happening, i think, it's

a marriage of convenience between all the worrying factions, including i.s.i.l. with others. if you look at them they have different ideologies, the sunni groups of the iraqi army including other islamists that fought the americans when they occupied this country, they don't care about i.s.i.l. ideology, they are united against a common enemy. these guys seem to be serious and want to go all the way to baghdad. if it happens politically, it will slow things down. if it didn't happen they'll continue. there's one important thing that we need to look at here. the politicians that are talking to each other here in baghdad and others from all different sides, mainly the sunnis, do not have a lot of sway on the fighters that are leading the insurgency or the rebellion against the nouri al-maliki government.

no one has influence, or on other bathists or nationalist figures who say they are united against an insufficient government that they describe as an agent government for the u.s. and iran. their goal is set. they want to take bag dad. >> it's a complicated mess. omar al saleh thank you for joining us. for more we are joined from the studio in washington d.c., from the dean of the john hopkins school, he's an author. good to have you with us. let's start with what we were discussing with omarks the founder of the islamic army says the takeover of the north-west iraq is not just i.s.i.s. it's other militias and others working together.

is there a sunni revival that can threaten baghdad? >> i don't think it can get to baghdad as easily as it swept across the north. that kind of a scenario doesn't exist in southern iraq. they can encircle baghdad, send suicide bombers in, threaten it, but they can not march through north. >> you said that president obama must walk a delicate line, that we can't become the air force of the sunni militias. what should we do? >> we can be the airsupports of the shiites. >> i apologise, the shiites. >> our mission is clear. we cannot tolerate extremists of the kind we see in the band of terrorism. that is the mandate in iraq. we are not there to referee the

shia sunni issue. we are there to protect that country and ourselves against extremism. how do we do that. does it mean we have to take the side of the she items and use -- shiites and use the air force to bomb the militia. >> one of the mistakes is to lijiate the appearance of -- legitimate the presence of i.s.i.s. the sunnis may be unhab with nouri al-maliki -- unhappy with nouri al-maliki's form of government. they are right. but it's not allowable for them to make i.s.i.s. the answer. >> let's talk about iran, the deputy foreign minister for arab and african affairs reacted to a plan showing that the u.s. is terrorism. there was a quote:

do they have a point. we saw vladimir putin coming out in support of the nouri al-maliki government on friday. he's on the shiite side in iran and syria. iranians. >> if we are going to persuade nouri al-maliki to compromise and to follow our advice, we need iran's backing because iran has a lot more influence in iraq than we do at the moment, and nouri al-maliki has no reason to listen to us if we are not going to give him military support, no force on the ground to compel him to listen to us. we need the iranians to back him. i think the iranians would like to use iraq to change american policy in syria. but pointing out that i.s.i.s. was carrying terrorism and if you fight them in iraq, you should change the policy in syria.

they are trying to push the policy. "the washington post" is reporting that president obama is seeing the crisis in iraq as a single challenge, a threat to the region's stability, and even a threat to us in the united states. how could they just be beginning to see this? >> well, that is a good question. everybody in the region understood that syria and iraq are connected together. that there is a lot of tribes that share kinship across the two borders, and the issues in both syria and iraq parallel one another, mirror one another. we have sectarian tensions between majority shi eats and sunnis, minority superies and alawites in syria. the same actors, saudi arabia, iran, turkey engaged in both countries on the same side. it's a regional issue, we are only seeing the implications.

>> let's listen to something president obama said about the terrorist threat on thursday. >> we have problems with terror organizations that may be advancing. rather that try to play whacka mow, wherever the terrorist organizations pop up, we have to build effective partnerships, capacity. you know, haven't we been playing waca mow and the partnerships, you talk about the broader region, there are so many different interests there. can those partnerships get together to fight the wider war on terror? >> they could if the united states would really get engaged and the u.s. has been disengaged from the region. countries will not follow the united states lead if the u.s. is not willing to exercise leadership. it requires following commitment

to fighting i.s.i.s., diplomatic issues and taking them seriously. some of these partners were not on the same page. i.s.i.s. benefited from the support of governments and private individuals, and, therefore, for the united states to deal with the complex issues, iran on the one side, saudi arabias on the other, get everyone on the assume pain, it has to change its attitude and become more involved. going back to the sunni alliance, are we seeing the dismemberment of iraq and seeing the creation of a sunni stand and state. >> we see the dismemberment of iraq. syria is more intact. the disintegration of iraq began when the kurd got de facto independence from iraq, and they are an autonomous unit within iraq. and the victorian territory is open to question.

we have a political situation between sunnis and shiites that are polarized and difficult to bridge, and now it's taken a military tone to it. it's difficult to see how the country keeps together under one leadership in baghdad. >> as you mentioned the kurd, they were autonomous. they took kirkuk. the deputyie prime minister said the iraq we knew has come to an end. will this be like the old yewing , a number -- yugoslavia, a number of new states rising from the old. >> everyone in yewing was clear that -- yugoslavia was clear they don't want to live together. the sunnis and shiites have not dom the conclusion. they believe they can exist in iraq. on the kurd have an independent identity. as the violence goes forward and

hatred grows and vengeance takes over and each side kills and attacks the other, the fabric that keeps the country together will stretch and possibly break apart. then we'll basically see a very bloody end to the current territorial map of iraq. >> a final question about the threat to the west. there's a recruitment video showing australian and british nationals. we know a french recruit committed an act of terrorism in belgium. how big of a danger is this? >> it is a very big danger. we saw the scenario unfolding in afghanistan. when you have a failed state you have conflict on the ground that attracts extremists and recruits from around the world. ultimately those people return to their own country, they are not longer going to be integrated into their own societies and they'll bring the

experience of the war back from the region to their home countries. syria is a lot closer to europe and the united states. it's closer to the rest of the arab world. we'll see blow back from what is happening in syria and iraq across the region, and potentially in the west. >> so many issues and concerns. us. >> thank you. now for stories from around the world. >> we begin in washington dc where a congressional hearing over the irs scandal as heated on friday. irs commissioner defended the disappearance of emails belonging to the disgraced former director of the irs exempt division. it could contain evidence that the agency targeted conservative citizen's group for scrutiny.

paul ryan exploded, accusing costanin are lying to hide the loss of the emails. >> i'm sittingling to the testimony. i just - i don't believe it. that's your problem. nobody believes you. being forthcoming is to say you know what, investigators... >> will you let him answer the question. >> i didn't ask him a question. next to ukraine where president petro porashenko signed a unilateral ceasefire asking police units to fire if fired upon. russian's ambassador to the unsays it's premature to discuss whether russia agrees with the plan, because they haven't seen it. pro-russian separatists will not lay down the arms until the ukranian military pulls out of the eastern iraq. we look at a problem.

friday is world refugee day. >> we have for the first time since the world war ii, more than 50 million people displaced by war or persecution. last year we had ha megacrisis, syria. we had mallee, south sued , some -- south sudan, somalia - they go on and on and on, without finding a solution. the u.n. high commissioner political. that is some of what is happening around the world. coming up, temaze is taking matters into its own hands on the u.s. border. there are questions about how effective law enforcement will be. and whether kids who can commit violent crimes, can be redeemed. and harmeli aregawi tracks the top stories on the web. >>

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texas governor rick perry has a plan to combat the surge of immigrants crossing the boarder with a surge of his own. he pledged $1.3 million every week to reinforce border operations. much of the influx is from women and children who turn themselves in to border patrol officers. is more law enforcement the real solution. let's bring in a democrat relating the 29th district of texas, opposing the surge to secure the bored.

his district, including el paso has been affected by the migrants from distral america. the state government says safety and security of of texans is threatened. how bad is the situation? >> it's not bad at all. i disagree with the governor and those who insist that they need to put more boots on the ground, more border enforcement as a result of the undocumented, unaccompanied children coming to the united states. this is not a border security issue. this, to me, is a humanitarian refugee issue. these children are unaccompanied, they are minors, they are not terrorists or criminals. they are turning themselves over to the border patrol. they are fleeing violence in central america. it's only - not only that, many have their parents in the united

states to many are coming to link with the parents. i think that the governor's approach is the wrong approach. he should be focussing and putting resources into providing assistance to these children. this is a humanitarian crisis, not a border security crisis, and fun -- money... >> most agree, but others argue it's a border crisis. governor perry argues that texas cannot afford to wait for washington. the governor said the federal government abdicated responsibility to secure the border and protect the country. are they right. we have seen the video of people taking jet skis and walking into parks and parking lots and moving on. i realise that el paso is not the center of it.

texas. >> look, we have a federal government responsibility for securing the border. the federal government spent billions on a high wall, or more boots on the ground. we have gone to 4,000 to 21 thoz border patrol in the last several years and invested a lot of security money from the state of texas, upwards of $300 million this year alone for border security. the governor now is proposing to add $30 million because the children are coming over the border. so my view is that this is not a border enforcement issue, it's a humanitarian refugee issue. what do we do when refugees flow do. >> i'm a beneficiary of that. i'm a cuban exile and grateful

to the generosity of this country that took us in. i understand some of the other arguments. what about what the governor is saying, that texas resources are overwhelmed. if there's a natural disaster, texas won't be in a position to take care of its own citizens. >> i believe the federal government is sending personal to south texas, and resources. they were unprepared and we want to hear - we had 350 of these children brought in by the customs people, and they have moved on to arizona. there many organizations with sectors, faith-based and others none profit that can provide services to the children. the governor ought to be putting

the state resources, the money to open up more shelters. to support the faith-based organizations to others, that children. >> i guess the question many ask is where do we draw the line. there are refugees all over the world. we talked about on the show about how it's worse than it's ever been any time in human history. where do we draw the line. >> well, the fact is in the united states of america, we have never said we are going to draw the line officially. why? we are a country of immigrants. we have built this country as immigrants, and so immigrants are right now at this moment in demand by the service sector. the agricultural sector, the construction industry. there are many demands, we have

had an ebb and flow of the demand for additional labour, people coming in, meeting our labour contribute. >> but the concentration where people are leaving desperate situations and the u.s. is thinking of adding aid to the countries to see if the conditions to make people leave in desperation to come to the united states, if that improves, president obama has spoken with the mexican president. vice president joe biden is in guatemala. don't central american countries need to take access. the question is are they willing to. that's a good question. the vice president and others are getting involved in trying

to support or sure up the government in these countries. there's instability there, and a lack of proper enforcement against the cartels and the gangs that are driving this and forcing people to leave their homes. so that is the appropriate response. it seems to me if we are going to solve the problem long term, we need to address the issues in the sending countries, like guatemala, honduras, to ensure that the conditions are not such that people are forced out of their own country. >> it's a major humanitarian crisis. appreciate you joining us. thank you. should kids as yupping as 13, convicted of murder spend their lives in adult prisons with no chance of control. the supreme court ruled no. banning mandatory life sentences for minors, because it violates

rights against cruel and unusual punishment. there's a debate over what should happen to kids that have a violent start to life. we talk to a man with the highest number of kids sentenced to mandatory life sentences per capita. one is profileded on "the system", premiering sunday, 9:00 pm eastern. this is a tough debate, larry. the supreme court ruled that children do not have enough maturity, they have an underdeveloped sense of responsibility, are vulnerable to outside pressure and are open to being rehabilitate. we are talking about murder and violent crimes, why should we let them on the streets when they have committed murders? >> that is the ultimate question. it seems to me it comes to the fact that you have to take each case differently.

you can't throw everybody in the same boat. every case is different. you have to look at every juvenile differently. some can't be rehab ill tated and others can be. >> that is pretty much what the supreme court says. there's science that backs up the position. research shows that adolescent brains are not fully mature, and especially resource control, planning, risk avoidance. we are looking at crazy numbers. we are putting kids that age in prison more often the the supreme court agrees, feeling that courts should have more discretion, and need to look at mitigatingfactors before sending a teenager to prison for life.

the sad part about that is in the state of michigan, there's no discretion. it rests in the hands of the prosecution. the courts have some distrgs, but if -- discretion, but if the prosecution tries the person as an adult, that's the way the child will be tried. and there should be more discretion, it seems to me. >> it's an emotional situation. in august last year in michigan, there was a push back from families about whether the supreme court ruling should be retroactive and apply to people sentenced, mandatory sentences, before the supreme court ruling. let's listen to some of that. >> this guy was killed by a 16.5-year-old teen who took his gun, put it to the side of his head, pulled the trigger. >> they want to bring their loved ones home, we can't. >> future cases - i think i can

somewhat understand. going back, releasing people that have been sentenced, understand. >> for my family it's been 23 years. 23 years of being constantly reminded or living the nightmare of what happened to my brother. >> we should say that there were families that supported the other side. when you listen to that powerful testimony, how do you lich to the families and say they deserve to be looked at and have a chance to get out? >> that's why we don't have victims generally involved in sentencing. that's why we have judges who are supposedly independent, to make the tough decisions on who should get released and who shouldn't. every case is different. every case has to be reviewed individually. and we go from there, it seems to me.

>> your appearance in this episode of "the system" is because you represented a man, a get away drive at age 16, sentenced to life in prison. he has turned his life around, by all accounts. what happens to him? does he get a chance at parole. will the supreme court apply it retroactively to him. >> i hope and pray it does. the person that you see today in solo. i saw that 18 years ago. i saw all toes conditions that the supreme court heighted, like -- highlighted, like impulsivity. those conditions or actions were evident with solo. he, despite participating in the heinous crime, was a kind and gentle person. i saw that in him during my representation of him.

and he is that way today. he's never been a problem in prison. he is well respected in prison. he would not be a threat to the community if he was released. that's why i say you have to look at every case differently. >> but there is a wrinkle in his case, in that his wife believes his rehabilitation would not have happened if he was tried as a juvenile, because he would have only got five years, and it wouldn't have been enough time for him to get his life together. so'oialo's it took a long time for him to get his life to where it is now. is there a middle grouped? >> that's the question, isn't it. i - there was no doubt in my mind, having represented solo that in five years, which was the maximum length of time that

the courts, that judge kalen drk a sentenced him to a juvenile sentence, there's no doubt he would not be a threat to the community at age 21. one only needs to review the sentencing transcript that we had. that we participated in in an afternoon to understand that sola was different. it was not like the other two people that he got involved with. i disagree with his wife. i think solo would have been rehabilitate in five years. there would be a lot more on his case and the other case of the system which airs sunday night at 9:00 pm on al jazeera america. good of you to join us, larry. >> thank you very much.

time now to see what is trending on the web the let's check in with harmeli aregawi. >> the internet is swooning over a convicted felon's mug shot. 33-year-old jeremy was arrested as part of a gang roundup by stockton californian police. he is facing felony weapon charms and a gang charm and held on a $900,000 bail since posted on the stock tonne police department page, it's been liked by 70,000 people and has 20,000 comments, like this one. just: and others suggesting he switch careers: people are photoshoping his face on fashion ads like this from calvin cline and hugo boss. not everyone is swooning over him:

the mugshot is not the first to get this kind of attention. in july 2012, 27-year-old megan simians's mugshot was a source of online means focussed on her looks. she was arrested in florida on dui. earlier this year she filed a lawsuit against a website that she said used her mug shot for advertising without her consent. jeremy served a nine year sentence for grand theft and a spoke person for the stockton police department called him "one of the most violent criminals in the stockton area." what a phenomenon. >> i agree with rhonda - stop glorifying a criminal. a depressed polar bear has a lot to teach us humans. dining out, spending

habits - how the average day. >> and a number of kids moving in with their parents, taking >> we have to move out of here right now >> i think we have a problem... >> we have to get out of here... >> they're telling that they they don't wanna show what's really going on... >> mr. drumfield, i'd like to speak to you for a minute... >> this is where columbia's war continues... >> ...still occupied... >> police have arrived... you see the blast scars from a bomb that went off...

can humans learn a lot about mental illness from animals. many of you may be among the millions of americans who have

seen a viral video who shows how a goat fell into a depression, refusing to eat after being separated from a friend, a donkey. it's hard to hold back tears when you see the reunion. dogs, cats, gorillas and elephants can suffer a wide range of ailments addressed in "animal madness", how dogs, parrots and elephants in recovery help ourselves. laura wrote the book and graduated from mit. the video of the donkey and the boat gets anybody. your own experience led you to write this. oliver. >> yes, it was heartbreakingment i adopted him.

the first six months he was amazing. canine calm. he developed separation anxiety, compulsions and a variety of other problems. >> it's sad to see the story. you mentioned that rescue dogs, rescue animals often have been given up for adoption because of problems they have. >> yes. absolutely. we are all a function of our early speerningss. -- experiences. you address cases of all sorts. let's start with animals in dispoos. a famous case was gus, a polar bear, who in the '90s swam figure eights for 12 hours a day, scaring children. he was treated with all sorts of things from some sorts of therapies to prosack. you found there is more mental illness in zoo animals. >> absolutely. they are a captive population.

when it comes it a creature like a polar bear, it's hard to replicate the stimulation they get in the natural environment. i don't mean physical exercise, but all the vast array of happen. >> there's a name for it zoo sis. >> i don't use the term, but animal psychosis is like ours, if you are in an environment that stresses you out. you'll see a variety behaviours. >> you talk about how clear it is that animals form attachments and have emotions. you see what happens to guerillas that move from one zoo to another, and you discuss the case of elephants in thailand. when elephants were used for logging, that became illegal, when it was stopped they became dangerous.

there are all sorts of emotions changes. >> absolutely. luckily many of us can recover. >> many that many that own a dog, we know that dogs have feelings people that come home, and find the dogs chewed up the furniture. that can be a sign that they are suggest a mental illness, anxiety or dementia. >> absolutely. i want to be care. . because a dog chews up the couch doesn't mean they are path logical. if they do it like a person with an obsessive compulsive disorder, that's a sign to pay attention to. >> you say ocd is the issue, there. >> from my own dog we tried valium and prosack, it doesn't work. the valium worked.

for many animals, exercise helps, ex-personal to other n -- exposure to other animals. getting another dog, another rat or a sad rat. not always. therapy. i know you are concerned about overmedication in zoos. i know you are not advocating that animals be given drugs. a final question for you. part of the title of your book, what can humans learn from animals with mental illness. >> we owe them a lot. studies on animals. we owe them all the psychopharmaceutical pharmacy we take. we take dog and rat drugs ourselves, but beyond that, i think recognising mental distress in the creatures around us, trying to help them makes us

better at being human, making us more empathetic and identifying with them helps us help them. >> easy to identify with some of the stories in your book. the book is animal madness. >> thank you for having me. >> one in five young adults are living with their parents the the boomerang kids are staying for longer stretches. we discuss an upside. a look at how we spend our time. researches are are sleeping more, watching more tv. >> fran drescher >> bad things happen to good people >> an incredible fight >> there was like a perfect storm... >> an ability to overcome... >> i was able to turn my pain into purpose... >> her inspirational story >> you pull yourself up, and you start all over again... >> every saturday join us for exclusive, revealing, and surprising talks

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today's data dive looks at what americans do all day.

the bureau of labour statistics released a breakdown. we spent a lot of time in bed despite concerns we don't sleep enough. the average americans get 9 hours a night - i wish. employed americans, 7.5 hours a day. a quarter doing some or all of them. employed men working 63 minutes long: it reflect the time women work half-time. 83% of women did some household account yist i compared to 65% of men. men are more likely to exercise. we spend honour and 15 minutes. women spend three-quarters of an hour grooming. men half an hour. we average 5 hours and 15 minutes in leisure time, using half to watch tv.

four times the amount we spend on communicating or socialising. age makes a huge difference in how much americans read. if you are older than 75 you average more than an hour daily of reading time. older teens spend about four minutes reading for fun. that is not a good sign, but maybe they are sick of doing homework. coming up, the boomerang generation. older adults are moving in with parents and taking longer to

the night's events, a smarter start to your day. mornings on al jazeera america the boomerang generation is growing - people in 20s and 30s who move home after living on their home. one in five young adults boomeranged back to their old high school bedroom. 60% of americans in 20s and 30s receive financial support from mum and dad. some parents may find this troubling. many experts say they better get used to it. to help us make sense of it all, i'm joined by a psychologist and assistant professor in

behavioural medicine. dr gharde ear received the effects of being a perimeter to a boomerang kid when his 21-year-old moved back home. how is it going? >> it's going all right. and i'm surviving. >> look at the numbers, he's one in five young adults living back home. 60% of them getting financial support from mum and dad. this is a difference from a generation ago when it was one in 10. what is going on. >> they are different. it makes it more palatable to me as a parent, and him. so many of his forehands are in the same situation. it's about the finances. it's about being born into a situation of where they can't achieve what we did as parents. this is a generation of children who may not be able to own their own homes and, of course, getting their high school college degrees and going into a recession makes it harder. >> they depraduated into a --

graduated into a recession, and there has been studies those graduating into the recession made less later, than people that depraduated into the boom in the '90s, it's a big difference. and student debt is a big part of it. student debt is a problem. we are seeing a lot of college students who made it out. carrying on an after 20, 30, 60,000 in debt. i'm working with medical students. once they graduate they carry 200 to 300,000 in debt. a lot of these young people, as they get out, when they are getting jobs, because the student debt need to lay over at their parent's home so they can save housing. >> a lot of these kids are having trouble getting jobs much the ones that get jobs are

underemployed. >> they are making less money. >> what do you say to people who say in the long run it's not a bad thing, going home may be a good launching point to get the act together and careers going? >> studies show that there are young people who are using this to their advantage, not that they are taking control of the situation of using the parents and funny, but more than anything else saving money, getting involved in business ventures, and being able to invest a lot of that money into the venture instead of into rent or into housing. so this is a positive thing, and this is becoming our new normal. the rule of the game is if you want to move in with a parent, that's fine, but contribute to the parent, to the cost, save money and show the parent that it's a short-term plan.

this is to get you on your feet. you are concerned about psychological dependence, that they may not do what you said. >> i'm afraid it's too convenience. now you don't have the executiveduation and independence and instead of moving forward you regress. you are back in the room which tells me you are climbing back into the environment of being in the womb and not moving as fast and forward as you need to be. >> numbers shows the relationship with parent doesn't deteriorate. most say it stays the same. a quarter say it's worse. a quarter better. >> 50% say it's not bad at all. >> on the other hand are we being too tough. if we look at south america, europe, other parts of the world, a lot of young people don't leave home until they are married. in the 40s minister stayed home

college. >> that's right. in the "40s and the '50s. we are used to the fact that we had boom times in the '60s, and '70s, and the culture was "get the college education, move away from home and become as independent as quickly as you can." now we see a trend going the other way. it's more out of this is something we need to do or we might go ahead and sync. situation. >> is it hard when they go back and say "i need you to take care of me.". >> it is if the parents don't shift the style. i got into the "you better pick up your socks", because of my ocd in keeping everything cleaned and realised he's notling to me because i'm

talking to him as if he's a 15-year-old. i had to switch the style. we shouldn't embarrass our children or tell them they are bad or they are doing it because they have no other choice. we need to support them in whatever they do, even if it means coming back home. we need to push them out a little more and reminding them look for work, get an education, saviour money because you want to get out, have your own family and do your own thing. >> big adjustments. good to see you. pleasure to have you. >> that's all for now, this weekend on "consider this", the former president of the u.n. security council is suddenly is wanted man in venezuela. they don't have him. we do in new york. and the coke brothers, the private men in politics, and among the most misunderstood. the conversation conditions on

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