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look at what's ahead. president obama is sending military personnel back to iraq. >> preparations are under way for action. >> it's not in u.s. interest to involve ourselves in the middle of a u.s. war. >> when you have people murdering in the mass massacres and you do what you need to do... >> the seeds of 9/11 are planted over iraq. >> boko haram's attacks are continuing. >> targetting a viewing center where fans were watching the world cup matches. >> i refuse to give up. >> i believe the great pacific garbage patch can clean itself in five years. >> we created the mess. please, don't tell me we can't clean this up together. we begin with iraq's dissent into chaos, which is disturbing for the american men and service women who served there.

watching cities that they fought hard to windfall swiftly led to a range of rehabilitations from anger and sadness over lives lost and sacrifices made to thoughts on why this happened and what the u.s. should do now. joining us from san francisco is colby, serving as a specialist in the u.s. army during the iraq war as a heavy weapons machine-gunner, spending nine months in mosul. taken by i.s.i.l. militants. he's the author of the book my war, killing time in iraq. we are joined by joe diamond, a marine staff giant who served in iraq and fallujah, he is the general manager of dynamic defense materials, a company that developed mckirdy's armour, named for a soldier and friend killed by sniper fire in fa falluj fallujah. joe, i'm start with you. you were in fallujah, the

deadliest battle american forces fought was in that city and it was taken by i.s.i.l. a few months ago in january. the first city taken since the latest offensive. you have been talking to other vets and their families, what is your reaction, and what are you hearing from them? >> yes, it's heart-breaking. we put so much effort to gaining the city, maintaining it and building a secure city where people were moving back in and starting to build lives. to have it fall back is horrible. i mean, i think we knew it would happen if we pulled out, but we still watch. it's a kick in the gut. you knew, you felt in your gut that mosul - that fallujah wouldn't hold on forever if the u.s. left. we knew that there would be - if the u.s. walked away. we knew there would be a civil

war. it's a matter of time. the vibe between the sunni and shi items is too deep. they were there trying to fight. we knew once they left that it would get ugly and it was a matter of time. >> the biggest shock came when mosul fell to the insurgents. it must be hard to know you risked your life and others died. does it feel like the sacrifice was in vain? >> it was a big shot. i was there 2003 to 2004 and meting fellow soldiers and talking about how this would probably happen if we pulled out. i remember going on missions with the iraqi army, the impression was we would do the fighting and they'd be in support. why would they put their lives at risk and shed their blood when the americans were there to do that for them.

now that we are not there, it will have to be up to the iraqis to take care of that. >> you are saying the same thing that joe is saying. both knew that this would happen, most of the people you fought with knew this would happen. how do you react to the fact that we did spend a trillion dollars there. that so many american lives, more than 4,000 died there, and this is happening. >> this is the beginning. we have not seen the end result of what will happen. we don't know yet if the american soldiers. it looks that way. we don't know what the outcome of the situation now will be. the overwhelming amount of the reporting we see is most are asking themselves what do we do all that for. is it casting a shadow over the fact that you guys served nobly. that you got rid of a murderous tyrant. that you let the country

establish a democratic government if the democratic government is failing now? >> yes. it certainly cast a shadow. honestly that's why i'm hear. i really struggled with whether to do these interviews, and i finally came to the end result that i needed to do it for the men dropped in baghdad right now. men like myself who ended up in iraq. fighting for something with no real clear mission, no clear goals. we knew, we secured things, but the second we pulled out in 2011 we knew it was a matter of time, you know. here is a shiite government. who had revenge in mind for a sunni population who ruled them for a long time. and without us in the process we knew it would happen. it's painful to watch. and as i'm watching the guys dropped on the ground the only thing i say to our politicians

is everyone is sick to say we didn't have an end game. before anyone gets hurt figure out what the end game is before you drop guys in there. >> you have been quoted as talking to the mother of one of the people who fought with you. she had a heart-breaking reaction. >> yes, yes. i keep in touch with the families of all the men, all the friends i lost. as fallujah was falling and other cities were falling, we discussed and she had two lines that stuck with me, this was a mother's worse nightmare died for nothing. what was it for. >> what should we do? we should give the iraqi people everything we need. weapons, arms to exterminate the i.s.i.l. exterminate every single one of them. >> but no troops there. >> this is not our sword fight. it's up to the iraqi people to finish. >> what do you think, joe.

drum strikes, air strikes, supporting the iraqis, but no boots on the ground. >> definitely no boots on the ground. i honestly question drone strikes, my concern is we start dropping bombs on the guys, what happens next. iran comes in and starts building up the shi'ite government. they are not going to pull the sunnis, they are not going to say okay, guys get along. we need to think long term. something we haven't done in a while, and what is our ultimate goal and what is the end game, and commit to that, not the we're tired of it and done with it, like we did in 2011, you know. there's too much blood loss to make the decisions without thinking the end game through. >> dangerous situation in a country that means a lot to a lot of americans especially those that fought there. i thank you both. appreciate you joining us

together. >> thank you. >> thank you sir. >> turning to the boko haram militants that kidnapped more than 200 girls from their school. in may nigerian families welcomed the arrival of military aid and drones hoping they can find the girls. no news on their whereabouts and boko haram continued its campaign of terror, massacring civilians on a daily basis. this week 21 people were killed by a bomb as fans gathered to watch a world cup match. the militants expand their reach to kidnap young boys and forcing them to join their sect. members of congress went to nigeria to get an update and get help on the families. today we call upon the government of the nimia to establish a victim's fund for all the victims to suffer at the

hands of boko haram. for the girls still missing. for the girls that escape. for the families and father who came and spoke to us about his missing daughter. he could hardly speak for tears coming into his eyes. >> congress woman led the mission to syria. good of you to join us. there's worldwide interest in the girls. what did you learn about the efforts to find them while you were in nigeria. >> thank you for highlighting the tragedy. i hold up a headline in nigeria. they could not be without knowledge and attention to boko haram that continues to pillage and ab duct and kill and murder people in north-east nigeria. what we found is that boko haram is not to be taken lightly, and, more importantly, it is going to take the eyes of the world to

make sure that the kidnapped girls are not a sideline story. there's a crisis in iraq, and we all understand the devastation there. but i don't believe in historical review. that we have seen where militias and vicious individuals have taken 300 girls. 90 of them escape at the night of this vicious attack. 57 escaped from the envoy taking them to where they need to go. now the girls as you have said have been scattered. there are articles in newspapers that say we may never see some of the girls. i don't want that to be the headline. we meat with a father -- met with a father whose daughter was captured. and i wouldn't leave without him knowing there's hopes and we

insist the nigerian government continue negotiations. you mention all the family are in pain. what is the nigerian government telling them. >> i think the understanding of their pain is scattered among religious organizations and n.g.o.s. but i don't believe that there is enough focus at the highest level of government that the world can see. we need a comforter in charge to let the families know they are not suffering. these families drove two days, they did not fly, to meet with us in abuja, in borno state. they wanted us to know their pain. what the families want. they have accepted and joined and joined on to the idea of the victim's fund not for money, but to keep them going while they are praying and hoping for the return of the girls. then those who have lost loved

ones such as the woman who came and visited with us, whose throat was slashed as she watched her husband decapitated. they want to know they will not stop the government going after boko haram to end the siege on nigeria, but to find the girls. >> boko haram is killing civilians on a daily basis. many fear they are trying to create an islamist belt. hundreds were arrested in a convoy in southern nigeria, it's not where the group is operating, and many, if not all of those people could be boko haram. is the nigerian government capable of stopping them or do we have to intervene there too? >> nigerian government is leading a prosperous nation, or the most prosperous nation on the continent. maybe there'll be 440 million

persons. they have 7% growth and 60% people living in poverty. i think it will be a collaboration with the united nations who declared boko haram as a terrorist group, but also with the african union, and with the surrounding neighbours, nig ear, chad, cameroon, have got to join with nig earia and say no to boko haram. boko haram may be the nigerian taliban. therefore we didn't know the taliban a decade ago in the united states in terms of their capacity for attack. i'm not suggesting that boko haram will be on our shores, that is not our point. i want to make it clear. i'm suggesting that boko haram is trying to spread its evil violence across the region, across from north africa into west africa and into nigeria. a police of business and

thriving opportunity is not going to survive if boko haram is allowed to kill, pilling, rape and destroy villages and municipalities with impunity. they have to know their before is doing to stop. i make the argument that this is not only a military operation, we have to intervene with social services, education, investment in northern nigeria. businesses training, rebuilding the schools, the mosque. the hospitals, the christian churns and do it in the face of boko haram. and dare them to think they can destroy this beautiful country. congress woman sheila jackson lee. good to have you with us and bring attention to this issue that is fading from the news. "consider this" will be right back.

wroo while i.s.i.l. fighters continue the struggle to carve a calafat out of syria and iraq. other fighters are on the march in the middle east. pakistan and afghanistan ka. in kenya al-shabab claimed responsibility for an attack that killed 50 people in a

seaside town. thousands of refugees are fleeing the northern tribal all belt as the pakistani government blasts the sanctuaries following an attack on the airport that killed 38 people. in hebron officials affiliated with hamas have been arrested by israeli troops, including one with joint israeli citizenships. for more, and what they can gain i'm joined by a man with a 27 year in with c.i.a., serving as director of the counter terrorist sector and the agency chief in pakistan's capital islamabad. he chairs the advisory board for eig partners, a firm offering corporate partnership and strategic device. i.s.i.l. is justifying the slaughters saying it's trying to

build a muslim state. a number of groups makes similar claims. how much is rhetoric, how much is a statement of purpose? >> well, if you you're talking about i.s.i.l., it's a statement of purpose. it may be instrumental in their ability to attract fighters and funds. they mean what they say. that said, i think that the scope of what they can realistically achieve in syria and iraq is limited. they are on the march in iraq. but it will be difficult for them to gain fraction outside the sunni errors. part of the reasons they are focussed on iraq is they have reached the national limits of their strength in syria for the time being. >> it's a lot of land that they have taken already in syria and iraq. it's a significant country if they manage to cope control. let's turn to al-shabab. we have heard about them, they

are based in somalia. they have been on the rampage in kenya since the westgate mall attack that killed 67 people. they killed 50 people, most who were watching world cup matches at hotels and a police station this week. like i.s.i.l., they talk about fundamentalist islamic rule in somalia and they are not happy with how kenya fought by gaines them. this is going to have consequences on the kenyans. >> absolutely. again, al-shabab wants to establish fundamentalist state in somalia. they made great straits in that direction a -- strides in that direction a number of years ago. it's because of the involvement of the african union and the kenyan army that they have been driven out of the city. part of what they are trying to do by shifting the scene of battle is to put political

pressure on the kenyan government to put pressure and give them scope to go on the offensive again at home. across the continent in nigeria, boko haram, worldwide notoriety when it kidnapped hundreds of school girls and claimed it would sell them as slaves. they killed 3300 and 22 on sunday, so they captured the world attention, and nothing has happened to them. well, at the end of the day it is the responsibility of the nigerian governments to do something about the group. others include the united states, providing assistance, and particularly lethal assistance to the extend that the u.s. can extend drone strikes, but the only real solution in this problem in nigeria is if and when the government is able to assemble the capacity to deal with the problem on a permanent basis,

unless and until they are capable of doing that there's no solution. do you think the pakistani government will do that against the taliban. we have seen their ability to strike. a bump of attacks in 2007, thousands died. do you think the pakistani government is saying enough is enough after a murderous attack at the airport. >> with pakistan you never know. the fact that the army moved into north waziristan, something that they resisted downing is a significant step. the army wanted to do this for several months and it has taken them that long to convince the civilian government in islamabad that they should be permitted to do this. i see disturbing sirnings the fact that they are -- signs, the fact that they are focussing on the foreign presence, the casualties of their air strikes have been foreigners demonstrates that they are concerned about the political

impact in pakistan of killing pakistanis. they'll have to be willing to kill pakistanis to achieve gains. they made a start. we see how much staying power after we see a backlash as we do from the militants outside the tribal areas. hamas denied that they are responsible. other groups claimed responsibility, but binyamin netanyahu, the israeli prime minister says hamas is responsible. an interesting development is the head of the palestine authority has condemned the kidnappings, offered to help the israelis. hamas is not happy. they called and a poisonous knife in the back of our people. is there a silver lining? >> i think so. in fact, behind the scene what we are seeing is continuing cooperation on the part of the

palestine security services dominated by fatah, not ham a let's be clear about that. they have been working closely for years with the israelis and are doing so now, and would like to recover the three young men. what we see more broadly than that is politics on both sides. hamas does not want to support fatah in what it is doing in cooperation with israelis. they don't see a political gain. at this point we don't know who is behind the kidnappings, and the fact that israelis are quick to blame hamas is more to do with politics. >> so many counterterrorism problems around the world. as you said, if the governments of the country where it's happening don't change charge it's difficult for the u.s. to be the sheriff of the world. good to have you on the show. three venezuela olympics

leaders are face -- opposition leaders are facing arrest after failing to attend court on summons to be witnesses on an attack against a president. the first is a director of an oil company, a prominent attorney, and a former venezuelan presidential candidate and president of the u.n. security council. while the three have not been charged in the assassination. the president plans to ask for arrest warrants as they are believed to be out of the country. one is, he's here with me. i'm joined by one of the opposition leaders. he has run for president of venezuelan twice and served as venezuela's permanent representative to the united nations and president to the u.n. security council, in the interests of full disclosure, i have known you for a good part of my life. both of you live in the united states. one of the allegations is that

you have - you know, left the country not to face arrest, totally untrue. >> both are u.s. presidents. i should have been called here. of course, she knew perfectly well - this is ridiculous. it's laughable in any other society except in slens , where the -- venezuela, where the regime is dangerous, and they work with the cubans, who have a good international network to do damage to some people. they have come out with a whole presentation in english, a whole pamphlet talking about this alleged assassination plot that you are involved in. as a prelude to a cue de tar, and accused the u.s. ambassador to columbia as being involved in this. the u.s. government said the charms are baseless and false. they came up with no proof of allegations, they called it all thee at electrical. what do they want. >> the purpose is to neutralize

anyone who is a dis dent and forcefully expresses a view, this is a case of child, myself, and others who have strongly opposed the regime. it's different to oppose the regime. i speak at a forum, and i speak at the house of parliament. the house of commons. et cetera. in this way they are not returning to the country. that's why they call me as a witness, a witness to what. i wasn't going to be a witness. i was going to be put in jam. >> the government talked on monday. the main pead leader -- opposition leader, and she is in front of the protest and has been a big voice abroad. speaking in brazil, canada and the united states.

she's been putting the word out there. is that what you are saying, that they are trying to neutralize the main foreign voices. the main voices of vensans abroad -- venezuelans abroad. the regime is collapsing. it's part of the basic goods. they say that that's all the u.s.'s fault. there's a conspiracy of the economy, entre prepures. >> the urgenciesy assist collapsing and the man in charge has already collapsed. before the eyes of its own people. it's a sign of creating a ven significance and fantasy. the generals involved are free. they are free. they have invented a paper coup

that involves some of us. >> the paper coup - they have a series of email. >> emails. >> that eingded ( -- allegedly made. the emails are forgies, they've called on google to help them say they've taken emails and copied. >> i was copied. >> you didn't originate, you were on the list. >> and it's on television. credit cards. this is a great card. they hacked my computer and put it on television to prove i had access to the internet and paid my internet. it's true. it was a crime that i was able to enter the internet. it may have been approved. this was a concoction, a good fantasy. the international commission of journalists in europe said that one of the big problems is the judiciary.

the judiciary has become a part of the government persecution of the opposition because they do what the government wants. >> they do what want. >> they stay away. it didn't happen in an independent judiciary. it's the case. the venezuelan tribunalals, the cubans have a major influence in all the rulings that are taking place. why, you would say, because venezuela is a golden ex-chicken. the chicken that laid the eggs. if it fails to help cuba, at the tune of it 10 billion a year. that would be a disaster for them. they have decided to push. let's get rid of anybody who is a strong discenter, that can create more disturbance for the government. >> i hate to ask the question, because i feel it's ridiculous. i know you would like there to be elections, and different

administration in venezuela. do you have intention in plotting to assassinate nicolas maduro. i haven't made statements in public. i conspire openly. this is a deposit that had betrayed the venezuela, that the president is il, that we have -- illegal, that we have given up our sovereignty. more than that is impossible. you are out there on the front line talking to the military on the streets. do you think interpol will follow through and try to arrest you. >> interpol knows who is in charge of the administration. i hope they know that i have been involved in most of the crisis in the last 15-20 years. doing precisely the country. helping reconciliation societies and bringing peace to parts of

the world. just the opposite. ambassador, good to have you on the show. >> thank you, i'm safer here. >> you probably are. we'll be back with more of "consider this".

won -- concentration camps and apartheid in 2014. forced to live in modern day concentration camps surrounded by armed guards, little access to schools, medical care and face restrictions on marriage and children that a woman can have, "new york times" columnist travelled to a camp in myanmar where a woman was in need of a. >> we have a woman in hab our with a breach -- labour with a breach delivering. >> reporter: these people are locked up because of their eth in any eventy. they -- ethnicity. they live behind sensis. doctors are not allowed in, even to save their lives. is she going to die? joining us is "new york times" columnist nicholas

christoph who spent a week in burma. documenting the plight of the rohingya people. people living in a modern day concentration camp. it is shocking to look at what you show in your pieces and the video. you start with a woman with a breach baby, there's no doctors there, you try to help her, taking her to a clinic, and there's a nurse that can't do anything. there has been sporadic violence. issues of malnutrition, other abuse, but the most urgent issue is for the last few months there has been no medical care for the population of more than a million people. you have - that was in a camp of 150,000 people. and women are having babies, children are getting sick and they are... >> babies with 107 fever and

nothing to help the child. it survived. there were doctors there, doctors without borders were there and kicked out. >> they were kicked outlet. >> it was said that this is the worse human suffering. why is it happening. there has been violence in the past. is anyone blameless? >> well, in a sense this is an echo of apartheid. we have a country of myanmar where population is buddhist. and the military government has for decades targeted this rohingya population who are ethnically different, racially some are darker skinned and who are muslim and made them

scapegoats. as country has transitioned towards democracy, that has amplified the problem. if you are running for election, it is popular to scapegoat an unpopular minority. >> you talk to children on the streets that say if they ran into a rohingya child, they'd kill that child. are they trying to ethnically cleanse these people? >> absolutely. this is something that is motion. the aim is to make conditions intolerable. it is working. thousands have fled by boat. many are dying on route. these are boat people in 2014. you brought up the buddhi s buddhists, the majority. the buddhist monks are very responsible for a lot of what is going on. especially one leader.

let's listen to what he has to say. >> here is this monk talking about people as if they were fish. >> it is astounding. we associate budism, you know, with peace, and, you know, in most cases it is. but it is astounding that you have had buddhist monks for example marching down the streets calling on humanitarian workers being kick youed out of the country. it's not representative of buddhism. not any more than serbian atrocities. it's a time when religious leaders need to speak up. civic leaders need to speak up. >> and international leaders. >> that's something you point out. two nobel prize winners have

been silent. one inside myanmar, australianing -- awning , who is -- aung san suy kyi who is loved around the world for her bravery. she may be president of burma and if she wants to win, she can't be seem to support this minority. >> she is a heroic figure. you know, this is not something that she caused. at a time when we need people to speak up, i would hope that aung san suy kyi would find that courage she showed. >> the other is president obama. he talked at west point about myanmar, burma being a successor. >> yes. >> why is he not speaking out. there are sanctions in place still. >> yes. and the u.s. government has, to some degree, tried to work within the system. they tried to - i think they regard burma as overwhelmingly a

success. there's a lot to that. the situation has deteriorated so badly, and with the expulsion of workers and doctors without borders. it's no longer an approach. american officials, western european officials avoid using the word rohingya to avoid antagonising the government. >> the government talks as if they don't exist. >> that there's no such ethnic group. the deposit official asked me not to use the word row hing area. >> people should be interested and look up your pieces online. they are powerful and the video, it's about 10 minutes and bring the story home. good to have you with us. >> good to be here. "consider this" will be right back. we're revolutionary because we're going back to doing best of storytelling. we have an ouportunity to really

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should juvenile killers serve life without parole? >> the didn't even ask for the money they just shot him. >> horrendous crimes committed by kids. >> i think that at sixteen it's a little too early to write him off for life. >> should they be locked away for good? >> he had a tough upbringing but he still had to have known right from wrong. the coke brothers are modern day boggy men or left. they are aligned with the republican party, but having a private life. the book shows boys impacted by

their father's distain for communism after he witnessed stalin first hand. this book tracks their live of sons of privilege to political powerhouses. the senior editor for mother jones is here. fascinating topic and book. you have been praised across the political spectrum, that's an achievement not many manage to do. >> must have done something right. >> let's start with a definition about david and charles coke. charles runs coke industries with his brother. there's two others, fred and bill. >> fraternal twins. there are four coke brothers. >> they don't necessarily get along. there was a battle over the inheritance. >> the brothers had an epic feud in american history. i mean, these guys - you know,

this battle lasted about 20 years, and on one side you had fredrik and bill and on the other charles and david. they unleashed private detectives on each other, with fears of moles within each other's companies. bill coke allegedly set up a fake head hunting shop to download coke industry executives on what was happening. these were the tactics in use. >> and probably goes back to their dad who was a tough guy who made a fort in in the oil business amongst others, starting in texas, ending in kansas. what was interesting was that he went to the soviet union and help with oil refineries in the stalin days. he came back so horrified by what he saw that he was a founder of the john bert society. >> basically he goes over to the soviet union in the 1930s. he's sued for patent

infringement. the seeds for fortune were built in stalin, he was horrified by what he saw and his role in helping to modernize the soviet oil industry and pave the way for industrialization of soviet union. he was literally present when the john birch society was founded and charles coke was a member, influential in his day. >> he turned against them because of the vietnam war. >> charles was influenced by the fledgeling libertarian movement. charles coke takes out on anti-vietnam add in the wichita paper. it enraged people. he was pushed out. i think he left on his own volition. he was on to different things. that was the break between his dad's politics and the libertarian movement which was

an ideological matter. >> and david who ran against ronald reagan, which didn't make them popular with republicans. >> they were trying to find a third way, demolish the two-party system and were reaching out to the left and the right. that's what the movements goal was, they wanted to find people that were advanced freedom in all its forms, whether it was reproductive rights or pro-gay issues to free market ideologies. that's a misconception. that they - you think of them as right wing tea partiers down the line. they are not that conservative on social issues. >> no, they are not social conservatives an at all. you see them aligning with social conservatives. you don't see them putting their money behind gay marriage, but they make common cause with

people across the conservative spectrum. their obsession is anti-regulatory. that's what they are focused on and they aline strongly. that didn't happen until six years ago. >> they had an uneasy relationship with republicans. they didn't aline with them. really, what happened with the election of president obama is he comes into office, talking about reforming the health care system and the financial sector. these things with government-led solutions and the cokes saw a lot of work over the years going down the drain. you know, you have to see the guys are in the twilight of their lives, advancing the idealogical agenda for decades. you point out that they are not putting money behind causes that benefit them monetarily. while it may in some cases, it's a philosophical choice. the guys have tremendous amounts

of money, worth $41 million. >> they are free market purists. they are working on issues related to climate change, where na is in their economic interest. but the guys have an across the board anti-regulatory agenda. they don't want to see a solution to carbon or anything else or health care. >> and you think they have pushed the republican party to be libertarian. it is happening now and we are seeing it in candidates like - politicians like rand paul and people of that ilk. so the question now is really what are they going to do now this they amassed the power center within the party, will they moderate it on certain issues, like immigration, on which they are moderate. and some of these social issues that really combine to help the republicans lose a number of

elections in 2012. >> it's fascinating how you address political issues and tell an interesting family story, it's great to have you here. sons of wichita - daniel shooulman is the author. we'll be back with more of "consider this".

could a decades old problem of ocean clean-up be solved from someone alive for two decades. our next guest can't buy a beer legally but comes up with a fix to clean up the oceans. the boy wonder behind if joins us. brian is the 19-year-old from the netherlands, in washington dc for the our ocean conference, an international summit on ocean conservation. >> good to have you with us. >> you were swiping in greece and koirntd a lot of plastic --

encountered a lot of plastic trash. you came up with an have had, barriers in the shave of a have, position the for ocean tournament to move the garbage into it. >> thank you for explaining basically everything on how it works. that's absolutely correct. i started, indeed, with this when i was 16. then it got out of hand and a year ago i decided to pause my first year of university and social life to focus my time on proving the idea i had was feasible. >> these arms of the v are massive, aren't they? >> right. so on every side of the platform in the center of this v there's over 50km of floating barrier. immediately it brings me to the major point we had to solve out of the 50 questions we covered

in the last year. the most difficult one was to make sure that this floating barrier stayed alive in extreme conditions like storms. >> so you are talking about each side of the v being more than 30 miles long and so you hope they'd gather the plastic in a passive way so there's no danger to wildlife. >> what's -- in the past, nets for plastic - not only would it take 79,000 years and cost billions, it would create a lot of bycatch in the form of see life and omissions, i wondered why go through the oceans if they can go through you. i came up with a system attached to the seabed. the counter passes under the

floating barriers, taking away the buoyant sea life, while the buoyant plastics are in the arms. >> the arm is a little above the water and below the water and grabs mostly plastic. >> correct. so nobody knew what - how to - to what depth the plastic was. last year or in the past year i assembled a team of 100 people and we tried to april these questions. -- answer these questions. part of that was to organise three expeditions to a garbage place, and most of the plaque is within the top one to three metres. that's the area we focus on. >> you believe that with your testing, this will work, that it can handle as much as 95% of ocean trash. the 5% you can't get is what,

small plastic fragments? >> yes. so the efficiency is 80 to 90%, and that is, indeed, the particles below a few millimetres, and that's because they are not buoyant enough. they will get taken away by the current. and - but the good thing is that it catches the plastic that is large are than that which is 90% of the plastic, and this means that that plastic doesn't break down into the smaller particles, because that's something we can prevent. a lot of this plastic is getting into the sea food and into the human diet. >> right. >> you started a crowd sourcing campaign to raise $2 million to implement this. you are at half a million. if this does get fully

implemented and work, how soon will the oceans be able to get out. >> we won't be able to get out every last kilo or pound, but be can remove almost half the plastic from the great pacific garbage patch in 10 years time, costing about 30 million euros each year. it may sound expensive, but it's 33 times cheaper than conventional methods. it will be more expensive to leave it in the oceans than to get it out. >> you hope to finance some of it by recycling the plastic. >> first we proved that we can turn the ocean plastic into oil, that is a suitable as normal plastic for the process, but we then wondered can we recycle it.

we thought there would be no more fitting way to show that than by making the cover of the feasibility study reports out of this plastic that has circled the oceans for decades. >> that's an interesting thing you have done. there are estimates that a million sea birds are getting killed, and 100,000 ocean mammals and turtles. congratulations. i hope it works and you get it executed. pleasure to have you with us. the consider continues on the website aljazeera.com/considerthis or facebook or google+. find us on twitter at aj consider this. see you next time. when you want it. a global perspective wherever you are. the major headlines in context. mashable says... you'll never miss the latest

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