>> consider this: the news of the day plus so much more. >> we begin with the growing controversy. >> answers to the questions no one else will ask. >> real perspective, consider this on al jazeera america president obama goes to texas. but not to the border. as even members of his own party worry the immigration crises could turn into advertise katrina. i'm antonio mora and much more straight ahead. >> president obama is in texas pushing his 3.7 billion plan. >> the challenge, is congress prepared to act? >> he is not vistaing the

children who are suffering as a result of the obama policy. >> there is nothing that's taking place down there that i'm not intimately aware of. >> air strikes and rocket fire escalated between israel and gaza. >> that plume of gray smoke that was a huge air strike in gaza. >> one side calling the other to stop. >> the wounded and dead keep arriving. >> the international response puts us in a situation to expect war. >> u.s. high level talks in beijing. >> economic operations. >> we look at china as it becomes more involved in the economic system. >> the united states is not seeking to contain china. >> now broken the record previously held by his famous grandfather. >> back to the world of you earth dwellers. >> birth sweet. >> we begin with president obama's political two step in

texas. with thousands of undocumented children flooding into the u.s., calling for president obama to visit the human taken crisis in person. while on a fundraising trip. governor riks perry greeted -- rick perry greeted him. >> there is nothing that's taken playing down there that i'm not intimately aware of and briefed on. this isn't theater. this is a problem. i'm not interested in photo ops. i'm interested in solving a problem. >> after meeting with governor perry the president said the only disagreement they had was the governor wanted the governor to pay for more immigration security a without asking

congress for more money. >> he was concerned that the control was too far from the border as poapped to -- opposed to simply. >> the spending request has already started another battle in congress with both republicans and democrats. >> if we don't secure the bother, nothing is going to change. if we don't follow the president's request it's all about continuing to deal with the problem. we've got to do something about sealing the border and ending this problem so that we can gib omove on -- begin to move on with a bigger question of immigration form. >> joining us is california congresswoman loretta sanchez. the president is in texas as you know, a few hundred miles from

the center of the crisis. should he have gone to the border? >> welt i believe if he went to texas he might have gone to look at what's actually happening. i'm sure many people on the border have been updating him. but i think if he had had a chance he should have probably gone. >> what about what some of your democratic colleagues are saying. they criticized him not going to the border, especially if he's in texas fundraising. 80 -- your friend henry quellar criticized this as possibly becoming his katrina moment. >> we certainly do have a humanitarian issue, refugee issue at that border. if i had been him, i would have taken a closer look at what's going on. it's not that he hasn't been told about it.

i think it looks a little bad for a president to go to the state and not look at the issue that is really right in front at the time. >> at a senate hearing a today, republican senator ron johnson questioned the amount of money this is going to cost for taking care of the minors while they are here to are taking on more humanitarian issues. >> i can't think of a more humane thing to do, maybe sounds a little cruel than to you deter parents from sending their children to the united states. literally, take these miles an hour, yoi identify where they ce from. it costs $207 in terms of a one way flight, put them in a hotel, need them return them to the country of origin. >> there is a bipartisan law

that doesn't allow for that. the president is saying we're going odeport them anyway but we're going to give them the humanitarian process, this is going to cost $3.7 billion. is there any other way? >> there is a process. just like the president should follow other laws with respect to the border, we have to take into account we did sign a bill, not this president, president bush, talk about having a realistic procedure with respect to minors. we are talking about children, that's what the issue is here. i've been on the committee that deals with this, the homeland security committee, just recently i dealt with a minor issue some of the issues of how we deport, how we let people off in the middle of the night, what do detention centers look like. why we didn't have enough for children if we saw this problem accumulating, so we have tried to address many of these issues

over the last year. the problem is, the republicans while we pass these bills in the homeland security committee, have refused to bring them for a vote to the house floor. and that's why the president is really left with his hands tied, without us being able to change some of these things. >> the other side of the equation is, of course, border security which is what the republicans have been so focused on. the president has said how he'd secure the border, that is not case. house leader john boehner says if we don't secure the border nothing is going to change. i know you worked on a bill to secure the border. we're not talking about $3.7 billion. that would be enough to fence about a third of the border with mexico. why has that process been such a problem? >> well, in fact we have been building and it's not just a fence. i mean we have been building a barrier of a border, that looks very different, it's very

expensive, it's about a million or $2 million a mile to make some of these. so we have been doing part of that. the other part of the process ask very unaccessible areas and that may be where some of these are crossing. especially out in the texas wild lands if you will. the fact that we are patching that, we actually apprehending these, that tells you some of the security we have. if they're asking how secure is the border, the fact that we're actually getting these kids and having them in detention, means that the process we have set up is actually working. ttys ones that get through -- it's the ones that get through, that would be an unsecure border. more of them are sent but we are apprehending them. means in fact we do have a secure border. we don't have a fence all along the way because physically, that may not be possible. think of the environmental issues that are going on. think about for example, the

rivers, you can't put a fence in the middle of a river. property owners have individual rights, many of them who don't like the fact that people are coming across are up in arms when you're block their ability to use the land the way they want to use it so there's a lot of issues at play here. >> the issues are -- two issues you just brought up there, the fence is pushing people into what you refer to as wild lands. that is leading to increased deaths, people crossing in areas where they didn't used to cross before and that ends up to them dying. if we are catching them when they cross, and sending them back, it costs a fom fortune top them here. >> the u.s. hasn't paid much attention to mexico and central

america. why are they leaving? strife, civil wars that go on in the central american portion. a lot of this is a lack of a future, and you have this prop can ga going on by these drug cartels. they'll move anything, drugs, guns, whatever it is that will make money for people. one of the things we have to do is, we have to invest more in these other countries so that they have a viable economy. so they have institutions they can trust. if we can invest and make those countries worth living in then these people are not going to be sending these people up on a hope, often a lie from these cartel people and more importantly they are going to be stable there so they can keep their children where they want to be. i've never met people who said i don't love my country, they may say there's no work for me in this country or there's too much gang violence going on i got to get my kid out of there.

they're parents, like any of us will try to move our kids if that was going on in their lines. >> certainly we would and the problem of course is how many countries have these issues and just how much can the united states do. it's a tremendous challenge. congresswoman loretta sanchez, thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> hamas militants continued to fire rockets into israel further than they have in the past. in gaza 55 people have been killed and 450 injured by israeli strikes since the weekend. no deaths have been reported in israel but bombshell terse have filled up and running for cover. prime minister benjamin netanyahu said israel is battle ready. >> we won't suffer fire on our children's and our communities and our children and hamas will pay a very high price. we are in the middle of a

battle. i have said it before and i'll say it again, patience and determination. >> unless haxtion halts its fire. lisa goldman, she's lived and worked for over a decade in the middle east. lisa good to have you with us. reading what you've written you sound increasingly pessimistic that israelis and palestinians can live together in peace. >> it's not my pessimism but it's from what i'm reading from my other journalists in palestine and israel. one written by a journalist who is a palestinian citizen of israel, and a columnist which is a well-known newspaper here it's translated into english. his columns are very much -- he writes in hebrew and his columns

are very famous. he writes about how much he values his relationship with his jewish friends and neighbors. after the murder of the palestinian mohamed khdeir. you know, the whole country was just -- there were race riots in jerusalem and horrible you know crowds roaming arounds calling out death to arabs and so forth. >> as a result of the kid namg and killing of -- kidnapping and killing of israeli teenagers. we have seen the cycles of violence, a few rockets fired in one direction, a few bombs in the other. this seems to be escalating as does political rhetoric. we're seeing from both sides now, we just heard benjamin netanyahu, mahmoud abbas.

>> this is the third time that'll that the israeli military has commenced amilitary operation against gaza in the last five years. this is the third one. each one based on recent history has lasted two to three weeks. usually the pattern is that you know, this starts with an arab bombardment. there was a ground invasion 2008-2009 which ended up going very badly. the soldiers went into gaza and the soldiers didn't know what to do. they ended up being gratuitously destructive. >> do you think there will be a ground war? >> i don't speculate. i really don't. >> in whatever, hamas has more

sophisticated rockets. they are going further into israel. the israeli iron dome seems to stop them. but something could get very ugly very quickly. >> if one of those home made rockets out of gaza -- >> home made? some of them are iranian rockets and much more sophisticated than home made. >> they are hitting targets that have never been hit before. i understand them very clearly, small children under fire. >> why are they trying to do? the reality is they have failed miserably. they have failed miserably with governing, their popularity has plunged in gaza. are they hoping for that possible strike, victory that will give them more support? >> i think so. you can't have a victory against the strongest army in the middle east. but you can be a mouse that

takes some pretty strong nips out of the elephant's ankles. after, in 2006, hezbollah succeeded in nipping at the ankles, under morse in egypt was the muslim brotherhood oriented government, hamas is technically the gaza, the local version of the muslim brotherhood, now you have president al-sisi who is extremely antimuslim brotherhood. be. >> and hamas is becoming more isolated as a result. what about the u.s. role? today there's controversy over comments made by u.s. envoy philipp gordon in tel aviv, he says how will israel remain, how will it have peace if it's unwilling to delineate a border and the occupation and allow for

palestinian sovereignty, security and dignity? what does that say about the relationship between israel and the united states right now? >> yeah. >> if that's being said in this could bcontext? >> strong words, delivered at the peace conference which took place the first day tel aviv was bombarded, by gaza. they had to evacuate the first day of the peace conference, pretty ironic. it's no secret that the relationship between president obama and prime minister netanyahu is rocky. but it can't ignore its constituents and the popular opinion is with israel. while the white house has said it officially stated it supports israel's right to defend itself we can see from mr. gordon's words that they're a little bit

imapatient. >> and -- impatient. >> no peace process. >> and no peace process. >> now for some more stories from around the world. we begin in iraq where islamic state militants he continue their violent attacks in the region. 50 bodies were found wednesday morning that were blindfolded bound and shot in a mass execution during the night. the militants have also attacked religious sites. one of the bodies in a tomb is believed to have belonged to biblical prophet jonah. next we head to new orleans, where former mayor ray nagen was sentenced to ten years in prison. convicted of receiving bribes, cash, free vacations and materials, for his family

business. nagen continued to proclaim his innocence. >> in my opinion, i've been targeted smeared tarnished. i still maintain my innocence, going to appeal this thing. >> we end up in russia, where the being nsa leaker edward snowden has applied the extend his temporary asylum. he looks to leave russia but risks getting caught in a country that has an extradition treaty with the united states. when his visa was granted last year, it expires july 31st. federal reserve chief heads to china for major talks but is it all a waste of time? the incredible story of a man wrongly convicted of killing his

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built for business. >> for. >> for politicians on both sides of the i'll, the exploding issue couldn't have taken place at a worse time. comments made by a special assistant to president obama are raising questions about the administration's commitment to our long time ally. joining us al jazeera contributor michael shore, in los angeles and from tallahassee, rick wilson joined us, he worked on mayor giulian

giuliani's campaign. ongoing border crisis. michael, even one of the president's strongest supporters representative loretta sanchez of california talked to us earlier and she says she thinks president obama should have made a visit to the border part of his fundraising trip to texas. what do you say about the president's katrina moment? >> this is about the 44th time that people are saying this is the katrina moment. a katrina moment is a katrina l moment. the president, they said the financial crisis was his first katrina moment. they called haiti his katrina moment. they understand why if i was in the white house i would advise the president to in fact not go to the border and i understand why some democrats and some republicans especially in border states are saying go there.

this optically is a challenge for the president. he holds children he hugs children he visits with children. send them back and repatriate with their country they think is a trap they want him to go into. i would advise the president in fact in this case not to do that. jay johnson last been there five times, going down a sixth time, the president is on this and his response to that border has been for a long time scuff if not you know the best it's been since 2005. >> rick, your reaction to what michael is saying, he doesn't need the photo op and it really would be nothing else than political theater. >> well you know, he's 500 miles away from the border tonight which is like if there was a crisis in atlanta it would be about that distance to drive there from washington, d.c. so he really has you know, he really has an obligation if they're going odescribe this as

a sweeping -- to describe this as a sweeping humanitarian issue, if they're going to describe this as such consequence that it is, you know, demands immigration form and all those other things, the president owes it to the american people to demonstrate that he's got his hands on the tiller on this thing, and not spending his night playing pool and drinking beer and spending nights with people who have horse heads. >> this has nothing to do with the other. the president is being a president. he is putting together this supplemental draft of the bill to cure this problem. to address -- >> he is moving with a great deal of alacrity on this thing. >> this is a new problem. >> this is not a new problem. this is a problem they knew about in january. >> they -- this is a problem that has never been this big, it is a problem that yes, you're

right has existed for a very long time never in this magnitude. it is okay that take a measured look at what the problem is,. >> well you know what during the bush administration i recall -- during the bush administration i recall that are george bush was being held responsible for rogue prieghprivates in abu ghraib. this was a case where people are going to give barack obama a pass and roll over and just say who -- [simultaneous speech] >> who is giving him a pass? turn on any television [simultaneous speech] >> engage in this problem. and tonight is [simultaneous speech] >> it is an issue [simultaneous speech] [simultaneous speech] [simultaneous speech] [simultaneous speech] [simultaneous speech] >> so pathetic and so much inertia built into it [simultaneous speech] >> guys, let me move on because

i want to talk israel. as i mentioned earlier in the show, philipp gordon a special assistant to president obama and white house coordinator, that israel recognizes an undeniable reality, doing so is not only wrong but a recipe for resentment and recurring stability. rick, start with you. is the administration taking the right position here? or is it a misstep by the administration, not clearly supporting its allies? >> i would say at the very minimum it calls into question their ability to recognize when timing is important. because when rockets are being fired into jerusalem, and into other cities across israel right now, at a record pace, when hamas is attacking israeli civilians, with absolutely no discretion, to have a state

department official makes a statement like this that indisheindishous and that increy demanding and increasingly demanding about this, if you wanted to make a statement like this that was a fish statement part of national policy where the american government as is constituted today wants to be that's one thing. but going it right now when there there are missiles raining down on are palestinians hunkering down in bombshell terse is remarkably indelicate. is there still a relationship with its allies with this administration? >> michael on the other hand, to show frustration that the administration has with the israelis and the fact that by many accounts it's been their reluctance to move forward with the peace process that caused

the last effort to go awry. >> the only thing that rick said that i would challenge is this is a record pace. this is pretty much status quo in that part of the world. is there ever a good time to bring this up? i don't know. the thing you just said antonio is this is a question of time. they do have an opportunity with abbas. , israel was frustrated with yassir arafat, when they had a chance of coming to the table and working out a peace with bill clinton, i think this is a real frustration with netanyahu and his government because they are not coming to the table with abbas because there seems to be somebody ton other side that is willing to talk and this continues. another issue that is problematic for the israelis is the fact that for the first time in a long time public opinion within israel is changing. these bombings of course change

that too. but in a general sense public opinion is changing and it's going towards changing, we have to talk about these 67 borders, we have to talk about dealing with abbas. >> michael shore, rick wilson, always good to have you, thanks. turning to israel and our troubled relationship with china. secretary jack lew and other senior officials are in beijing. some 60 topics are on the agenda including climate change, the north korean nuclear weapons program and the chinese expansion in the south china sea. despite some on going issues, secretary kerry tried to strike a welcoming tone on wednesday. >> let me emphasize, the united states does not seek to contain china. we welcome the emergence of the peaceful stable prosperous china

that contributes to the stability and the development of the region. >> but it's unclear if anything is actually going to get done this week. some experts are even arguing that these types of meetings may actually be doing more harm than good. joining us in new york is gordon chang, regular contributor to forbes.com, his latest, four reasons to stop talking to china now. gordon, as always, good to see you. kerry, lew, fed person- >> yellen. >> janet yellen, huge delegation there. you feel it's not good for the united states. >> certainly. we're needing the feeling of self importance of chinese officials, making them more arrogant. we are not proposing solutions, we need friends and allies, china's record of compliance with its trade obligations other obligations has been worsening

recently and that really means that there's no sense of negotiating deals with china because they're not going oenforce -- they're not going to apply -- to enforce, he are they're not going ocomply with them. >> let's go down the list of what you said, you think more tops will make the situation worse? you think open communication is a good thing. >> normally it is. but we've been talking with the chinese now for four decades. >> didn't some of that help? going back to nixon and the opening to china it's changed the whole relationship. >> it helped during the cold war but after that it certainly hasn't. especially in this decade, chi china's relationship has deteriorated all over the board. it's continuing on a course of conduct which is belligerent, assertive the chinese see we do not have the will to pose real costs on china. of course they are continuing.

this is beyond the:00 for talking right now. >> if talks don't help, what do you say, that we need to take a tough position on economic sanctions? >> there is something we can really do. we can put a cost on this talking. more than $1 trillion a decade. that's the amount of intellectual property that chinese steal every decade. we are losing about $107 billion a year. we need the stop the bleeding and we need tariffs or something, so that the costs to china are higher than the benefits it gets because of predatory behavior. >> because of that predatory behavior, much of that through cyber means and you're saying that's costing the united states a couple million jobs, we're losing 2 million a year as a result of that. >> the international trade commission put a number on that. we are very happy if we can add

100,000 jobs a month but that is not a very big number. when you talk about the cost over a decade this is something we need to deal with. we haven't. we set up this cyber-working group a couple of years, a year or so ago. it met for a couple of times, the chinese have backed out of it because of those indictments of -- >> u.s. indicted chinese officials for cyber-warfare. >> clearly we can talk to the chinese but we're not stopping them. the only way they are going to stop is when it really hurts and the only way it will hurt is when we impose those costs on china. >> president jinping said any confrontation between the u.s. and china would be disastrous. doesn't it want good relations

to china? they're a huge trade partner. they need things to go well. why antagonize us? >> it's worrying for us that because china needs stability it's doing things to confront in the region. we are there, it's china's confronting india, are vietnam, the philippines, japan. and we're only there to provide stability. that's going to be the issue. they're doing things which are illogical. undercutting the chinese political system i believe because i believe it's in distress right now. >> because we're spending time talking to them, you say instead we should be spending time talking to our allies in that region who are the victims of this chinese expansionism. >> exactly. we don't spend enough time talking with our friends and

allies in the region. we need to build up the coalition if we are going to avoid armed conflict. the only way china is going to stay in the box is if it understands that it cannot win. and it cannot win if everyone in the region is united. we can build the coalition in a number of ways like the transpacific trade agreement, led by the u.s., these are things we can do to maintain peace and stability. we should be working with our friends and allies because right now china is not going to be a cooperative partner for anybody in the region except for mainly north korea. >> gordon, nice to see you. >> let's see what's trending on the web. hermella. >> at times speed looks more like a comedian's account rather than an intelligence agency. most people were amused by their opening tweet. it said we can neither confirm

or deny this is our first tweet. our one month at which timerversary this week. the first tweet read no we don't know your password so we can't send it to you. #sorry not sorry. #twitterversary, and, statement, yes we are hiring. and ellen's question, are we following? can we take a selfie. then things took a bizarre turn, when the agency made a statement about the late rapper's death. i'm sorry but these quote unquote funny cia tweets are scary, scary, cia with a sense of humor is disturbing on so many levels. former cia official bob baird

said wednesday he doesn't think the humor is appropriate. i'm sort of old school and i think intelligence agencies should stay out of the news as much as they can. let us know what you think of cia's online humor. is it harmless or tasteless? tweet us @ajconsiderthis. antonio i'm not sure what they're trying to accomplish with these tweets. >> are we paying someone to place these tweets, rather than getting what they need done? straight ahead, a man wrongfully convicted of murdering his wife. a lesson of forgiveness. fabian cousteau joins us now that he's emerged from a month under water.

>> we like to believe justice is blind and that our courts will find the truth. but sometimes justice is blinded to the facts. and innocent people suffer. that's what happened to michael morton who came home one day to find that his wife had been brutally murdered in their bedroom only to learn that he was the prime suspect and because of a system that preferred victory over the truth, he found himself in prison while his wife's killer was free the kill again. we are joined by michael morgan. he was exonerated by the innocence project. he's the author of a book. he joins us now via skype from

tyler, texas. michael what a story. thank you very much for joining us. after your wife's murder why did police and prosecutors focus so heavily on you, ignoring all sorts of testimony, including the testimony of the only witness, your then three-year-old son. >> thank you for having me. to answer your question, i don't think we'll ever really know because the main players or the first i think probably closest to the answer is no longer with us. but it appeared by their actions and things that were said that for whatever reason, the sheriff in my case, he just surmised that because of certain items at the scene, that i had done it. and after that, nothing else seemed to matter. >> and talking about nothing else, i mean it wasn't just what your son said. there were neighbors' statements about a van, a man near your house, there was a bandanna with blood on it.

why was all that exculpatory evidence held back from your attorneys? >> well, legally, it shouldn't have been. case law states, supreme court case law states and ethical rules require, that everything that's e exculpatory, meaning things that would point to your innocence or lessen your guilt are to be turned over. so while part of this can be said as a systemic problem, part of it personality problem here it should have been right but people involved did not follow the law or obey the rules. >> you faced the incredibly long fight obviously 25 years to get out, years for your case to be revisited, it took years for the innocence project to get permission to do the ns dna tesg to exonerate you. how did you get the innocence project to pay attention to you? >> i was very fortunate, one of

those hand to god things, one of my attorneys at trial happened to be barry scheck's colleague. after my appeals ran their course my attorney contacted his friend, said ba bay barry, can u help? i worked my way up the stack of applications, people pleading for help. at the time, i got to the top of the stack. >> they get thousands of calls every year, a big stack they've got. >> oh yes. >> you wrote about the worst fact my being convicted of chris's murder, but the fact that the real killer had been free take another life. a noble sentiment.

you must harbor some animosity to the police the prosecutor, after losing 25 years of your life. >> yeah, but different baker was killed about 17, 18 months after my wife was. and i had to learn to let go of the animosity and the hate and all the vengeance that i was planning. i spent years, i hate to say but it is the truth. i spent years planning the murders of the people i felt responsible for my incarceration. and only after my epiphany, single life, literally and figuratively, i had to learn to release all that animosity. as my lawyer said, it bears repeating, that holding that sort of hate in your heart is very much like drinking poison and hoping the other guy dies

from it. and so when i let go of all of that when i consciously made the effort, the physical sensation was like losing 20 or 30 unwanted pounds and i was physically lighter and i improved every day after that. >> it's incredible to hear. i know that barry scheck, the founder of the innocence project, there is no prosecutorial misconduct but the man who prosecuted you ken new year's had a long career, but was convicted of a felony and misdemeanor because of your case. he only served five days in jail. do you think that's fair? what kind of message does that send? >> believe it or not in the legal community it's a huge message. if you or i go to jail it's one thing.

if somebody from a bad neighborhood with a real bad life and a rough situation goes to jail for six months or a year you might really get their attention or you might not. but with somebody in the judge's position who was my prosecutor, someone of his socioeconomic status, all eyes are on him all the time. you send him for a few days in jail and it affects him in ways that might not affect you or me or anyone else. when people ask this sort of question, i just point them to his mugshot, and i don't believe i've ever seen a more broken man. it's really impacted him. >> well i know you've managed to reestablish a great relationship with your son, whom you'd become estranged from over the years in prison. i know you've remarried and you've gone on with your life and had an incredible attitude towards life. it's a pleasure to have you with

us. best of luck. the book is getting life, michael maarten, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. fabian cousteau, spengtd 31- spending 31 days underwater. and has the world cup had a lasting impact? a look at data dive next. >> they are truth seekers... >> all they really wanna do is find out what's happening, so they can tell people... >> governments around the world all united to condemn this... >> as you can see, it's still a very much volatile situation... >> the government is prepared to carry out mass array... >> if you want free press in the new democracy, let the journalists live.

>> today's data dive gets a kick out of soccer.

millions of americans watched argentina stay undefeated with a thrilling win over the netherlands on wednesday. goalie stopped two penalty kicks. argentina will take on germany on the final on sunday. while the tournament has proved popular in the u.s. its long term impact is less certain. attendance at major league soccer games is up by just six people on average since the world cup began last month. still average attendance at those games is near 18,000 only trailing football and baseball, and that's up 11% since the last world cup in 2010. that growth has led major league soccer plans to expand 18 to 22 cities, including new york, miami and atlanta in the next few years. but television leadership lags behind way other sports. espn 2 is tiny compared to the 13 and a half million people who usually watch monday night

football. that means lot less money for soccer. mls's tv deals average about $90 million per season. compare that to $7 billion annually for nfl. still since the u.s. hosted the world cup in 1994, youth soccer has grown tremendously. today more than 13 million kids play some soccer including 21% of six-year-olds. only basketball has more kids playing. thursday marks 15 years since the u.s. women's team won the world cup on brandy chastain's penalty kick. brandy chastain will join us friday on "consider this." fabian cousteau will tell us what it was like to spend 31 days with a team that couldn't

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judge we end our show woo special follow-up. last month we interviewed jacques cousteau's grandson fabian. his expedition honored his grandfather's 50th anniversary. we are pleased to welcome fabian cousteau back, great to see you. how did it feel coming back out of the water, what's the transition been like? >> it's been a very bittersweet moment to pierce that veneer back on land. being down for 31 days was an overstimulating amazing time. and then getting back to the surface, being elated to come and see our friends and family was one thing. but then there was also a lack

of stimulus. getting back into air, it was empty. there was no sound. there were just humans waiting for us and no fish. >> so there's that much more going around underwater? >> well ah conveyor -- aquarius has stayed down for almost 20 years. it is a fireworks display of life and it is wholly protected in that area. so it's the way the oceans should be. and you know, it was like a kid in a candy store. >> sounds fascinating. how was the transition physically though being cupped up in this -- cupped u cooped us laboratory? how you the feel? >> it is an efficient space but anyone who has lived in new york city or any crowded city, might be accustomed to that.

i had five roommates. and it wasn't to stay in that space, we could go diving for 12 hours at a time if we wanted to. >> which is different from the past i know. >> a huge difference because diving down you can only stay down 45 minutes or an hour depending how much gas you have. down there 12 hours gives us the ability of collect over three years of data in just 31 days. >> you've got plans to do all sorts of things with that including a whole bunch of research papers, a documentary. >> oh absolutely. the next steps are of course analyzing that data and the scientists we have been working with on that team are elated by the amount of data we got and the quality of it. and not only that we're going to be working on that, we're going to be working on creating a florida -- an ocean learning center as well as a traveling exhibit that is based on mission 31 to go around the world so we can share all these things.

>> what are the most important most interesting things you think you found? >> the list is really infinite. it is very self-evident we cannot live without healthy oceans. the ocean is are being assaulted inadvertently by all of us, over consumption of natural resources. and it's our natural resource bank account. it's our life support system and we need to bring that into the rhetoric, whether it be economics or health related issues as far as our species is concerned. >> you want to get the message out in the world, you've done a lot of things including appearing on this show to get the word out. you dealt with classrooms around the states, you had big celebrities coming out, ian

solder and others came to see you. >> the advent of scieps in the classroom, all around the doopse in the classroom, press was over 500 million people. >> wow that's terrific. just a final question to talk about what life was like under there. i know last time you talked to me about how you couldn't cook any food because obviously you couldn't have open flames down there. what other things are involved in spending that much time in a small space with six people? >> well, it is a very strange environment. in some cases it's very familiar and in others it's very foreign. your sense of taste goes dull. things that we take for granted, as you mentioned, cooking, we can't cook with anything but hot water or the microwave because

of dangers at that atmospheric pressure. and the dangers of daily activity, you are subject to bacterial infections, sign us infections, ear infections, all things in a moist environment. >> smell also goes with taste. >> that's a good thing. honestly we couldn't bring in any chemicals, that includes deodorants, anything with an accelerant, shaving cream and the like. good that our sense of smells -- >> could have gone badly. >> but diving kept down the smells. >> best of luck with your efforts getting all the data out to the rest of the world. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for being there. >> my pleasure. >> that's all for now. the conversation continues on

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