aljazeera.com/creditthis. we'll see you next time. >> jazeera america. i'm john seigenthaler in new york. truce - the deal just reached between israel and hamas coming on a day of more violence, including the deaths of four young boys. depending bowe bergdahl - the sergeant free from the taliban. he is not talking but his lawyer joins us tonight. deported veterans - they fought for america. why are they being kicked out of the country? the story of one

soldier and the family left behind. >> i can't understand why they are trying so hard to break up our family. we are not bad people. plus, hiring hackers - google's solution to combat a growing threat. we ask a former hacker once on the federal bureau of investigation's most wanted list. it is already morning in gaza and israel. in four hours the hope is that both sides will begin a truce. the u.n. brokered a stop in fighting. they are focussing diplomatic efforts on a permanent ceasefire. >> the israeli and the palestinians do not want to live

like this. they deserve to live in peace and security, free from fear. >> today more violence - four palestinian boys killed on the beach. it was called a tragic outcome by israel, and they are investigating. 75 deaths have been civilians, 43 children. >> the boys on the beach were the latest. stefanie dekker saw them running from the attack and witnessed the strike that killed them. >> reporter: they had been playing near a shack on the beach. the four cousins, 11-year-old, 10-year-old, 9-year-old and 10-year-old boys are dead. >> translation: my back is broken. >> reporter: the raw agony of a father. the attack happened in broad daylight in front of our hotel. i took the picture after two strikes on a beach shack. you can see four boys running

away. then there was another bang. this picture shows people carrying away a body from a shack that was hit. the other bound ris were up the beach where they had run for safety. "god should punish israel", mohammed's mother cries. the boys were buried. many asking why innocent children are targeted by the israeli army. we see israel for rehabilitation. based on preliminary results the target of this strike was hamas occupants. the investigation is ongoing. this strike took place in front of two hotels, filled with journalists. no one knows what was in the shack. there was no secondary explosion suggesting weapons were kept there. we witnessed children running from a strike, but ended up being killed anyway. the truce begins in a few hours.

the pause in strikes will give aid workers a chance to get supplies into gaza and israel yes a chance to come out of the bomb shelters. james bays reports. >> reporter: the u.n. hopes this will stop. a vital pause to get humanitarian aid in to help the people of gaza. it will only bring temporary assistance. intense diplomatic efforts are underway to negotiate a lasting ceasefire deal. >> we're doing everything in our power. >> we are in touch with egyptians, prime minister and others. >> european leaders are meeting in brussels. the crisis in gaza was added. >> how concerned are you. >> this has po be a source of concern for everybody. >> this is a conflict that could

only end by negotiation. >> everybody is concerned about what happened. at the end of the day we need a ceasefire. >> it is important to have - finding a peaceful solution, especially a ceasefire on both sides. a real ceasefire. >> the main point of the meeting is to start deciding who is to get the top jobs in the european union, one is a replacement for katherine ashton. one hotly tipped contender. italian foreign minister who has been meeting israeli and palestinian leaders. >> here they are expressing concern about the mounting death toll in gaza, a permanent ceasefire relies on diplomatic efforts in the region. the last egyptian brokered ceasefire was not properly negotiated with hamas, that is why those countries with leverage with the group will be

important, in particular turkey and qatar. >> the israelis and palestinians in gaza have been fighting for decades, it's a cycle of violence with no end in sight. nick schifrin reports. >> this man is surrounded by his children. he has 10. when he looks at his 12-year-old, every time he looks at the scar on his arm one was missing. >> he and his son were caught in the crossfire. this became the most iconic, tragic image from the uprising. mohammed was killed by an israeli bullet. >> mohammed was the life of the family. he was closest to me, dearest to my heart.

downstairs is a younger son, the same name as his older brother. >> this is the hear mohammed died. the israelis that side, palestinian fighters that side. mohammed and his father were caught in the middle. there's no sign of what happened. if you look at the area, at the street right now, it's almost completely abandoned. everyone is scared of israeli airstripes. >> the air strikes have been closer, one 70 feet away. another 100 feet away. >> are you used to it. this is the third israeli-gazan conflict in six years. during israel's 2008 campaign his neighbour's house was

bombed, the kitchen blown out. he rebuilt but is powerless to shield his children from another war. >> translation: this is the challenge our people face, every day our people are bleeding. this is not the first time. he told me the wound bleeds at random, and never heels. >> translation: children are the most important thing to palestine, as long as there's occupation, there'll be killing. >> translation: as jamal was talking on a beach, four palestinian children were killed by an israeli air straike, an

image that may be as tragic as mohammed's. israel says its strikes over gaza are aimed at areas underground. hamas is suspected of using tunnels to smuggle in weapons. they serve as supply lines for food and other goods for gaza's civilians. paul beban is here with that part of the story. >> gaza has a lot of people packed into a small area, about 1.6 million, 146 square miles. it's the same population as philadelphia. there's three main ways in. two in israel, one in egypt. the one in egypt is opened occasionally to let the wounded out. all three at the moment are closed. those underground tunnels are vita to gaza's -- vital to gaza's economy but in the cross-hairs. >> reporter: israeli military footage taking aim at targets under ground. hamas uses tunnels to smuggle

weapons, rocket parts, ammunition, whatever it needs to fight into gaza. one goal of the campaign is to take them out. >> the military mission is two fold. primarily to strike hamas. there are other components like dealing with terror tunnels. >> israel accuses hamas as using tunnels as underground launching sites and a way to stage raids into israel. gaza's people say the tunnels were built in response to the israeli and egyptian blockade of gaza - stretching into its seventh year. >> translation: we didn't want to make tunnels, we were forced. we don't have food for our children. >> reporter: half of the children rely on united nations food aid. tristy is cut for hours. building materials, medicine and other supplies have been scarce. the problem is worse since

egypt's military seized power and shut scores of tunnels. >> translation: destroying the tunnel is bad. >> unemployment is hovering at 40%. any deal to end the fighting must include the lifting of the book aid. until then the tunnels are likely to remain the underground supply route for daily needs and deadly weapons. israeli media quoted a senior official saying they are finding and destroying tunnels from the air, that's a reason to consider a ground offensive. it will take two weeks and be bloody. an american teenager caught in the middle of this, the 15-year-old high school student beaten by israeli police is

home. he was seen on video attacked by undercover officers. he had been under house arrest. his cousin was abducted and killed during clashes with israel and gaza. we go to the airport when he arrived. what was the mood at the airport. >> i have to tell you it was a festive atmosphere when tariq, his parents got off the plane. there was a huge crowd. 50, not just family members. friends from school. he's a soft more at tampa. when i asked how he was feeling to be back on american soil he said "awesome." keep in mind he spent 10 days under house repeat. he was beaten. he'll go to the doctor in the coming days and is mourning the loss of his 16-year-old cousin.

these are some thoughts he shared about how he's been processing what he has been through the last couple of weeks. >> and i'm only 15. i will never think about freedom in the same way i did two months ago. i wanted to ask you all to remember my cousin and the 36 kids that died in gaza in the past several days. they have names like mine. i hope the violence will stop for their sake. >> one of the things, john, that tariq repeatedly touched upon is if they weren't american, he feels he may be sitting in an israeli gaol. >> so he was arrested during the riots. what did he say about the

arrest. >> police said he had a sling shot. tariq denied participating in the riots. he said he was observing and he was never formally charged. he says that he experienced sheer terror while he was being beater. he said he believed were there not this huge media campaign to raise awareness about his gaoling that he wouldn't have been home today. >> natasha in tampa, thank you. in afghanistan an explosion caused delays near kabul. a blast of gunfire, a car set on fire - all flights diverted to other cities. the attack as recap begins on

the disputed presidential election. today is 200 days that three al jazeera journalists have been in prison, accused of helping the outlawed muslim brotherhood. allegations that they deny, and al jazeera strongly denied. a letter was released from mohamed fadel fahmy: today journalists in london took part in a slept protest. phil lavelle has the story. >> reporter: they may be journalists from different networks, but they met together. bbc, skye, ibm. they are working together to support three al jazeera employees locked up for 200 days. mohamed fadel fahmy, baher

mohamed, and peter greste are in prison in egypt. this was then being sentenced and gaoled, reporting false news the charge. it was something they and their employer denied. >> our guys shouldn't have been arrested or incarcerated for one day, let alone 200. we call on the president of egypt to recognise that and release them. >> here at al jazeera european the staff are doing what they cap. this is a silent protest. but the message is loud and clear - journalism is not a crime. the network continues to demand the release of its employees from prison. >> at the end of the day as journalists we are aware it could have been any one of us inside that gaol cell. wherever we are in the world, whatever story we are covering

we are thinking of the three and calling today and every day for their immediate release and for egypt to reverse their shameful decision. >> reporter: across social media the hashtag free av's staff is re-tweeted from america to australia, there's a determination to make sure the men are not forgotten. >> the president, the leader of the government in egypt expressed concern. why is he doing that? there's a lot of noise made. it won't go away. the people stand as symbols, not just for what happened to them, but for journalists around the world imprisoned by governments. >> the coal of these journalists to bring the men home. and without fear of being locked up. >> coming up, deported soldiers, many convicted of nonviolent crimes ordered to leave the country. is it fair? i have the story.

bowe bergdahl free from the taliban, his private life in america is being revealed. we'll talk to his

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afghanistan hired an attorney to represent him during an investigation. he is represented by a military lawyer. and he said people should not draw conclusions about his climate. asmir begovic was released in may. he's assigned to a desk job. i spoke to his lawyer and asked how bowe bergdahl feels about his release. >> sergeant bowe bergdahl is deeply grateful to president obama for having saved his life. you can just imagine the danger that sergeant bowe bergdahl was in with the capacity to a group that can only be described as ruthless and unprincipled. >> you said that some people are trying to vilify your clients, in fact, some of his platoon are

accused of desertion. how would you respond to that? >> i have had an opportunity to talk to sergeant bowe bergdahl, and will have more opportunities to go over things with him. i think when people have more facts, they'll figure out what to make of the allegations that have been floated around. >> i mean, these are people that served with him in the military, and to call him a deserter. some call him a traitor to his country. what do you make in the debate about what is going on. what about comments made that the united states shouldn't have gone in rescue bowe bergdahl. >> i don't know that there's a debate about that. it's long been policy not to

leave americans innen my hands. that's a given. it's occurred long before bowe bergdahl was in the army. the legal system will sort it out. and, by the way - hang on, the american people will sort it out. the mep people have a good sniffer for truth, fairness and i'm sort of an optimist. bare with me, that's where i am. i also have heard some of the family members, members of the military that searched for bowe bergdahl, who were killed. they have been - some of the strongest voices who suggested that it wasn't a good idea to rescue him. some suggested that he was a deserter and a traitor. you say there wasn't a debate. there has been in this country, strong voices that don't think it would be a good idea to get

him out. and you say... >> i say that the president of the united states, and our military leaders made a decision to retrieve him. they did what had to be done. i'm not in a position to say "the president could have struck a better bargain with the taliban", or we could have hold out for releasing fewer people. that's not my involvement. my involvement is to represent sergeant bowe bergdahl in his legal issues with the u.s. army. all i can tell you is sergeant bowe bergdahl is a grateful person right now. >> you are a talented lawyer, and i'm not asking about your client's case, but how difficult is something like this, to prove collaboration with the enemy? >> no one to my knowledge has suggested that my client collaborated with the enemy. i don't want to dignify that with a response. honest to pete, we have to be a

little critical about some of the balloons that people floated. i don't think it's prulentive for viewers -- productive for viewers to treat it as a serious proposition. >> that's why we wanted to have you on the programme to speak to the issues. whether or not those comments are valid - i mean, i turned on television on a number of channels, and i heard them. they are being said and have been said since the rescue. as his representative, as a person defending him. i was curious about your response to it. i'm not going to respond to every irresponsible comment that people perhaps with an axe to grind are going to have a soapbox to disseminnate. i don't know what channel was carrying this, i can speculate.

it's neither here nor there. we have a legal process to work through. >> sergeant bowe bergdahl and i are committed to not trying the case in the media. we had a cordial conversation, it wasn't stiff. let's see how this unfolds. >> we will see how it unfolds. good to have you in the programme. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> under the weather heavy rain slammed idaho, some with up to five feet of water. kevin corriveau is here with the latest on that. >> this happened last night. i'll take you to rex burg idaho, and if you wanted to know what two inches of water falling in 45 minutes looked like, look at what happened in brieingin young university where the campus was

flooded. this water accumulated to about five feet. this flooded a lot of the first floors of the campus and dormitories across the area. they closed the campus for night classes. a lot of campus was reopened today. most of the area cleared out. we are looking at clear weather. we have not seen the clear weather down here, more towards the south, across the plains. we have been looking at weather rumbling all night long from colorado to kansas and oklahoma. we saw tornado warnings in effect. those have then been allowed to lapse, and were looking at severe weather across the region as hail. you can see thunderstorm watch boxes in effect. the other big problem is the flooding. it will be all the way over

here. we'll see rain showers in the area. as we go towards the weekend, look at what happened. we are looking at going into the high 90s. >> we expect to see about 96. it is sum are. >> coming up, big city problems come to anchorage alaska. we talk about its surging gang violence. and the c.d.c. scandal. safety risks. a new warning from an infectious disease expert - all coming up.

. >> this is al jazeera america. john seigenthaler. >> military families torn apart, not because of deployment. making mistakes. >> the c.d.c. says the handling, the mishandling of deadly pathogens should never have happened. but it did. now what. >> if you can't beat them, join them. why google hired a bunch of

hackers. in washington, a fierce debate on the immigration crisis. congress fighting over a bill to tighten border security. stopping the flow of thousands of underaged, undocumented migrants. i hope that we'll act immediately in order to change that. nothing will improve until the plane loads of children return to the country that they left, thereby costing their parents and families thousands of dollars. then they'll stop coming to the united states. >> i also remind people of a time in the past, around world war ii, where this country unwisely closed its borders to people fleeing the holocaust in germany. they came here, they were turned

back, september back, many of then, to certain death. >> republicans have been trying to kill efforts, but they support doing something immediate about the flood of children crossing the border. with the immigration debate there's a group of beportees that few realise. they are u.s. military veterans. they'll serve the country, and sometimes the country they defended will deport them. i was surprised to learn - a lot of people will be surprised. men and women fought for the united states, some risk their lives in war. once their service was over, tens of thousands are being deported. >> reporter: for 5-year-old blair seeing daddy means staring at a computer. >> she lost - the one that she lost is coming in. skype is largely her only contact with her father.

>> she knows her daddy but not what a daddy is supposed to be. >> her father is not divorced, but deported. even though he spent years wearing a u.s. army uniform. when i tell people he's a veteran, how could they deport them. i tell them that it happens every day. they rely on thousands of citizens to fill its ranks. immigrants that can be deported if they run into trouble with the law. that is what happened. despite the six years served with the national guard. >> i have a job, a daughter are, a wife to support. you can't just take that away from me. they did. >> a conviction on drug and larceny charges triggered a deportation, three years after serving a prison sentence. >> he has served his time and

punishment. that should be the end. >> 70,000 noncitizens enlisted, one out of 25 recruits. advocates say deportations of veterans is a problem. >> i think sometimes people's hatred for immigrants trumps their love of veterans. >> facebook has support pages. >> they need to be home. they served our country. families post videos online begging for help. >> they should not lose their status. it is a country they fought for and defended. >> the u.s. made it easier for recruits to become citizens. >> custom forces say it specifically identifies services as a positive factor. that it should be considered. critiques are not sympathetic.

if you have committed a serious crime in the country, and are subject to deport agency, the government ought to remove you. >> demarca had been corrected 17 times, he insists none were for violent crimes. he adds that he has been clean. >> i spent 5.5 years in the service. what i did was a bad mistake on my part. i take full responsibility. >> he says he served his time and country. highs wife is fighting to reverse the decision. >> how much do you miss him? >> sometimes i feel really alone. his partners are on your side. a lot of times i feel like it's me against the world. >> for now he remains back where he was born. far from home. his wife hopes he'll return

home. his earlier applications have been (nighed. they serve prison terms and are deported. it's unfair to those that serve their country. >> i know you are digging into the story, we'll see more coming up. the immigrants defense product works with deported veterans and alissa, their director, joins us now. can you tell us why this happens? >> it's really shocking to so many people that people who are greencard holders in this currently face deportation for a wide range of offenses. >> like. >> any kind of drug offense. i've been talking to someone with a marijuana-related offense. >> they were american soldiers. >> the veteran served in the persian war, was discharged. had a family, owned two

businesses. the drugs couldn't consider his case. >> the law changed. >> 1996, almost any person could go before a judge and say if i made a mistake, here are the positive factors in my life. after 1996 a huge range of offense, like drug offense, a bar fight and theft offences, minor things can throw people into this detention, where a judge can't consider those factors. >> you say some of these people don't have proper legal representation. why not? >> like in criminal court they don't have a right to a free immigration attorney. immigration law is complicated. and people are navigating these cases. i'm here in new york, and people we see are deported or detained in louisiana and texas, far from

family and legal council. >> have you heard from veterans groups on this? >> i have. we publish a story about the case that i mentioned. veterans wrote me. how cap we as a country not mix actions with values. we stand up for veterans, we deport people after standing up for us. people are shocked. so we understand, this is jonathan's story. they served their country, they get into trouble and serve time. they are punished again by being thrown out of the country. where do they end up. >> theynd in a country they were born. howard bailey was sent to jamaica, he lives on a cement floor. his two businesses were closed. the life he built was destroyed. he is applying for citizenship. it doesn't matter. >> clearly you think they need

legal representation. do you think there needs to be legislation. >> it's up to congress to fix this, fix the broken immigration system and ensure people like arnold and howard get a fair day in court. the obama administration can choose not to put people in the deportation system. >> some suggest these soldiers, soldiers serving in the military have the opportunity to become u.s. citizens, and didn't do it. >> a lot of people were thought and told they'd automatically become citizens, that's the case of many that i talked to. after someone makes a mistake, they are not eligible for citizenship. the law is failing them on multiple levels, the families are being destroyed, and the communities. everything we built is destroyed by sending people who served this country back home. >> we have a huge immigration debate about children coming

from honduras. millions and millions, 12 millions, maybe, of people in this country who are undocumented. now this story about people who served in the military. >> where do you put them in that - in those groups? >> i think it boils down to the same fundamental question, what are our values - are they to protect veterans that sort of the country or children fleeing from home. to match actions with the values. some say people should be thrown in the deportation mess, not have the right to a lawyer or have a judge weigh the sentence of their case. let judges be judges, don't tie their hand, let them weigh the individual circumstances of a child fleeing for harm or a veteran that maybe made one mistake, but has all these other factors in their lives before banishing them from the country. >> thank you for coming on the

programme. there are new development in the movement. paul beban is here with the headlines. >> in a few hours israel and gaza are set to begin a truce for five hours. strikes and rockets are supposed to stop. it's to allow workers to get food and medical supplying into gaza. this after four palestinian boys were killed while playing on the beach in gaza. the military called it a tragic outcome, saying it was trying to hit hamas fighters. 75% of deaths and gaza have been civilians, 43 children. nearly 1700 other palestinians have been wounded since the fighting began. some of the seriously injured are being evacuated. 20 to egypt and 12 to jordan. president obama spoke on the crisis, saying the u.s. was putting diplomatic efforts towards a lasting ceasefire.

>> there's more criticism for the interests for disease control and prevention. after mishandling the anthrax discovered last month. a new investigation uncovered more safety lapses, saying scientists contaminated labs with bird flue. transferring bacteria. the chair of the house committee called it sloppy and inexcusable. >> with the recent incident we recognise the pattern at c.d.c. where we need to greatly improve the culture of the safety, and i'm overseeing sweeping measures to improve that culture of safety. >> although the missteps have not hurt anyone, jake ward explains why security lapses are risky. >> the revelations come at a time when some researches created new lab-broken forms of existing viruses to under ahead of time how they may be

pandemics on their own. let's be clear. these are viruses that don't exist in nature. we are energying them to be as dangerous as possible. it's a controversial practice, and a petition from the top infectious disease researcher opposes it. any accidental release of a virus would make it impossible to control in the world. today i spoke with dr mark lepsitch, a specialist disease expert. i began the conversation by asking whether controls are enough to safeguard these dangerous viruses in a lab. >> when there is human involvement in research, which there will be for the foresee ail future. there's a potential for human error, and the engineering controls and ventilation system in security systems put in place can't work in someone takes the virus they think is ipp activated and takes it into a

lab that doesn't have controls, that's the human error that no amount of technology can fix. >> tonight, it's more up in the air than ever. how the country will turn this around. the defining body for establishing rules is the n.s.a. bb. this week the n.s.a. bb dismissed the 11 inaugural members of the 2300 board. these are top researchers, experts in their field. the only experts that the nih had to rely on. it's been revealed that the n.s.a. bb, the one bored in charge of this has not met since 2012. man of those dismissed scientists signed on to the same petitions this week. here it is. the country is creating new dangerous viruses in labs that as we have seen, can't effectively secure them. it's doing all of that in a manner that top researchers ops and the country has in place

half the experts it needs to create new regulations. we are in a scary situation. >> in california a federal judge ruled the death penalty system is unconstitutional. delays make the system arbitrary and unfair. it violation the 8th amendments prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. hundreds have been plussed on death row. california has not executed a prisoner since 2006. the u.s. supreme court refused to halt an execution in missouri. killer john middleton was scheduled to die this morning, but the execution was delayed when a judge said his mental competency should be tested. the supreme court let the execution go to head. he was put to head. when you here gang violence

you might think of chicago or l.a. as michael oku reports, it's becoming a problem in alaska. >> hang on, i'm not supposed to go code 3 to the southside. we'll go a little faster. >> reporter: lately every night in the land of the midnight sun has been busy for this officer. he's been on patrol for half an hour when a report of a stabbing crack les through the radio. during his 9 hour shift. he will respond to as many as 15 incidents. anyone that visits, they'll ride along. it's a rude awakening. >> according to the fbi, there are more than 60 street gangs in alaska. >> in the past few months there has been a shooting or a stabbing. and a good majority are gang related. i remember growing up in miami, every school was infested with

gangs. it's a huge eye opener. >> it's a disturbing trend that plays out along the alleys and roadways. >> why do you think your peers find the gang banging lifestyle attractive. >> the clothes they wear. drugs they have, the way they speak. >> why have gangs taken route. mountain view is not only pure, but a diverse area in america. they can be a way to belong. the o blood killings, the mongolian boys society, the sons of samoa. this man grew up here and is a long-time hero. >> a lot of kid grew up here. >> in the early 2000s after a short career, he returned to

mountain view. he runs a group which encourages kids to channel their ethnic pride through music and dance. >> today. they are performing at a local festival. >> we are here to increase the chances of success. and the kids see that. we are working hard for them. how we do that is to do what we love. if there's something we can do more of, we are trying. >> coming up. our image of the day. plus, a matter of trust. we'll talk to one of the most famous computer hackers and google's plan to fight cyber threats.

typhoon ramasoon is making its way across the south china sea, not before it causes damages. in manila, we saw flooding and power outages. we saw schools and businesses close. half a million evacuated. two dozen people died because of the storm. on the next couple of days we are going to see the storm. it will make its way to the north-west. it is china and vietnam that

will see the storm as it increases in intensity. china, we'll see that on friday evening. as we go towards saturday, it will decrease a bit. it will make its way towards the northern part. we expect to see an incredible amount of flooding, as well as storm surge along the coastal areas of china. we are watching what is happening to the east. there's another drop call wave out here, that the joint typhoon has the potential to develop into a storm. the tract could be similar to what was seen in the philippines. >> that is a look at the weather. the news is coming up after this. destroying lives... >> this state is literally redefining what it means to be a criminal alien fault lines al jazeera america's hard hitting... >> they're locking the doors...

>> ground breaking... >> we have to get out of here... >> truth seeking... award winning investigative documentary series fault lines the deported only on al jazeera america google says it's fighting hackers by hiring them. the supercrew is called project zero, and said to include a number of big-name hackers. the job to find internet security flaws before other hackers use them to do damage.

kevin was the federal bureau of investigation's most-wanted computer hacker in america. he runs a firm. he runs his own firm. welcome back. it's great to see you. thank you for being with us. >> great to be back on your show. >> explain why it is that google is hiring hackers like you. >> there was a security research team to attempt to find vulnerabilities and software. possibly what is used in products and services. the idea is to find the vulnerabilities to get them fixed. >> it will be who wins the race of finding the vulnerabilities. >> i want to push you on this. i understand that part of it. >> explain to me. there must be people trying to hack into google today, right. >> it's common. >> so the hackers that they hire, aren't they going to figure out what those people who

hack into google. who they are and what they are doing. >> not really. >> if a security firm - i'm under a push back on this. if they hire your security firm, they want to know who is trying to hack in. >> that's an incident response. the team and department, that they are putting together is solely researchers, finding scores in software so they can get them fixed. it's that simple. it's not to go out and detect who is hacking into google. >> wouldn't that be a big part of it. if you detect someone hacking into google, and you know who they are, and what their mo is, that helps you figure out what you need to do to put up the wall so they can't come back. >> i understand that. google has a lot of money in resources. they can have a different team. the team in the news today is

focussed on security reach, i am sure google has the team to do what we call incident response. >> so you answer my question. we ask you, our producer. she asked you to hack in to her boyfriend's phone and send a message to her. and she has an igon -- iphone, and you did it. how did you do it? >> i didn't hack in, but i used what the gchq called code name burlesque. >> the gchq is the n.s.a. of the u.k. >> correct. >> recently edward snowden's files revealed the code names and the capabilities of the gchq. one was called burlesque. it's a tool that you could use to spoof s.m.s. messages.

what i did was i asked her for the phone number of a friend or boyfriend. i was able to send her a text messages, but i never hacked his phone. it's a method. >> you made is look like you hacked in. >> exactly. it was indistinguishable that - whether or not it came from her boyfriend. is actually came from me, because i told britney, give kevin my passwords. >> you say you can hack into any company system. >> 100%. we have 100% success rate when clients allow us to sues sa technique, social -- use a tech name called social engineering. we use manipulation and deception to get a tart to comply with a request, like opening up an excel document. in the gchq's bag of tricks,

they have a tool, tracer fire. it's an office document that they send to the target, and when that person opens up the document they have full control. we use the same techniques when doing security testing and find one person inside an organization that will open up the document. >> how many banks have you been able to get into? >> several. i didn't take their money. it was legitimate authorise the testing. >> you laugh about this and we joke about this, but this is a little unsettling. it's more than a little unsettling, it's very unsettling. >> think about al jazeera, i was in their studio, when they put me into a room to change into my suit on several laptops, everyone's user names and pass wards were sitting on a yellow post-it note. if i was a bad guys, you know, and got access to the studio, i could log in and access the

resources. a lot of companies make a similar mistake, writing down passwords where people can see it to deploying web applications that are vulnerable and can be exploited. >> will this help google? if google hires the hackers, will it make a difference? >> remember the heartily bug, that was bandied about in the press, a serious vulnerably. one of the people on the research google team found and exposed that. what google is doing is they are hiring the particulars of information security. >> will it work? >> it will help to reduce - discover what we call vulnerabilities faster than the bad guys. if they do that, it will help. >> great to see. we'll talk again. >> thank you. appreciate the programme. >> we appreciate the comments.

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