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as it was falling it broke apart. all of the pieces were falling in the sky. >> emergency workers began the difficult task of marking the spots of the bodies and body parts of the 298 people on board. their markers dot the scorched landscape. as those rescue workers were fanned out across these fields we're close to this debris field when some of them came up and we overheard one saying to the other as they approached this
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debris field. they said there are too many bodies in there, i don't have enough stakes and white flags. >> reporter: people came to help. >> we came here because it's just a tragedy. we want to help and find out what happened and stop people from thinking that there are only terrorists here. >> reporter: pro-russian separatist visited the site. >> this bloody war has been going on for a long time, and now unfortunately people from other countries has become victims of this non-declared war. 12,349 the ukrainian prime minister reached out to the families of those skilled but squarely placed blame. >> everyone is to be accountable and responsible, everyone who supports these terrorists. including the russian
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federation. >> reporter: to accurately determine who is behind this attack on civilians international investigators need to get in. both sides have agreed to establish a corridor through the battlefield to allow that. >> in his news conference he spoke the flight. >> there were 100 researchers who were traveling to an international conference in australia dedicated to combating a.i.d.s. and h.i.v. these were men and women who had dedicated their own lives to the lives of others, and they were taken from us in a senseless act of violence. in this world today we shouldn't forget in the midst of conflict and killing there are people like these, people who are
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focused on what can be built rather than what can be destroyed. people who are focused on how to help people they have never met. people who have defined themselves by not what makes them different from other people but the humanity that we hold in common. it's important for us to lift them up. and to affirm their lives. and it's time to heed their examples. >> we're going to do just that. we're learning more about some of those victims. jonathan best ijonathan betz is here with more details. >> reporter: nearly 300 people were on board that flight, from at least ten different countries. we learned the nationalities of 16 more passengers. most of the victims were from the netherlands that include an a.i.d.s. researchers, nun, and families who were on vacation. >> yes know of one american citizen, quinn lucas schatzman
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was killed. >> he was a dual dutch-u.s. citizen. apparently he moved to amsterdam just in april. now another person on that flight with an american connection is caroline, a 25-year-old student. she was recruited to the indiana rowing team in 2010. her university described her as a straight-a student. she was also a champion rower winning several honors for they are rowing. her coach said that she was the leader of the best boat they had that year. the president expressed his sympathy stating that karlijn was an outstanding student and
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talented athlete, and her pass something a loss to the campus and the university. that's a sampling of the loss that is felt across the globe. >> we'll continue to affirm those lines as the president mentioned in his words today. jonathan betz. we'll have more on the passengers at this hour, but first a search for hours. we go to phil ittner who is in london for us. phil, over to you. >> reporter: well, tony, it's been a very powerful day. it started out with expressions of sorrow. as the day has progressed we have seen stronger words coming out, demands for an investigation into what happened, unfettered by any side we have heard a very strong words coming towards russian authorities to back off from supporting the separatists out in the east of the country.
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no one is pinning this on the russians directly or the russian separatists, but we're starting to hear from the government here in britain that they are following along with what the information that is coming out of u.s. intelligence sources saying well, they can't catego categor categorically say it, but it looks like a missile from the russian territory. >> what investigators are on the crash scene now? >> reporter: well, right now as we speak, none. that's a big problem. the international community, emphasis the dutch who lost so many, they want first and foremost those bodies repatriated. but they also want to get the investigators on the ground. there was a group from the osce, 30 of them headed out to the location. they were not all allowed to get there. they do say they were restricted in what they could see and couldn't see by rebels, and they
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are now saying we need to send in somebody who is actually an accident or aviation expert. these osce monitors do not have the expertise. right now there is no international expert on the ground at the crash site. >> what did the u.n. security council say about an investigation today? >> reporter: yes, that was a very interesting session in new york. we heard from all the international players. we heard from the dutch, we heard notably from the ukrainians and russian who is were pointing fingers at each other vehemently saying this is all your fault. when it came to the russian ambassador, that is what he had to say. >> today kiev declared a full closure of the air space in conducting a so-called anti-terrorist operation.
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why couldn't this have been done earlier, not waiting for hundreds of victims to have occurred. we place all blame on kiev powers in government and call for the ukraine side to take decisive measures to stem such incident in the future. >> reporter: now they also said all along the russians have said that it is the condition, the atmosphere, the war basically being fought that they blame on the government in kiev and the west that has caused this, but they have not pointed fingers on who could have pulled the trigger. that's in contrast to what was said at the u.n. security council. they were much less a ambiguous. they said russia supported them, and they were recruiting people who knew how to use these systems, and they were sending supplies. there was not a lot of finger pointing but on the western
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ukrainian, the kiev government side they're much less subtle about it. they very much committed that this is a russian-instigated incident situation. >> yes, that's clear. phil ittner for us in london. let's turn to the international safety board. no professional crash scene professionals on the scene. how concerning is that to you? >> that is quite concerning. we don't have control of it, people traipsing around all the wreckage. undoubtedly some clues will be contaminated. >> that's my next question. my next question is the osce is the organization that is on the ground now. but that's a body that can't investigate, doesn't have the expertise to investigate a plane
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crash and the scene, and they were, in fact, chased away from armed separatists. how worried are you from contamination. you were alluding to it a moment ago, to this crash scene? >> well, i am worried that it's going to cost us some valuable information. however, some information is going to be embedded in the metal of the airplane. that's much more difficult to contaminate and the sequencing of the airplane. that's also going to be the tell tale marks that are going to be on the edges of th of the metal. the voice recorder was going to give us the time of the boom, when it went off, but we can deduce that. it may not be 100% accurate but we can deduce it. i'm going to make the assumptions that the russians have the boxes, and we'll never see them again. we know that a missile was
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fired, so it's clear what it is. we'll get more information. you know, going back to the metal, missiles bring down airports in one of two ways. either they actually hit the airport and cause it to break apart, which is much more difficult than getting near the airport and exploding and peppering the airport with all kinds of steel and shrapnel almost like a shotgun. those signature pieces of metal are going to be embedded all over that airplane. that's one of the things that the investigators, crime scene investigators are going to be looking for because that metal, how it's manufactured, what the content of the metal is, there may be some markings on the metal. >> you mentioned there is going to be information embedded in the aircraft, what kind of n is going to be lost, do you think, potentially contaminated that would be valuable in learning
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even more here. >> the missile, pieces of debris will be in and around the airplane, and that can be pressed into the ground. it could be distorted because somebody walked on it. it can be moved, removed. i mean, there's lots ever things that could happen. if the terrorists in that area make a concerted effort to try to confuse and hide the evidence by moving it around, anything that looks like it doesn't belong hiding it, they could cause a lot of extra work. >> john, i appreciate it. i appreciate your time. john, a former member of the national transportation safety board joining us from massachusetts. president obama was very clear this afternoon when he said that the evidence indicates the plane was shot down from
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surface to air missiles. michael, over to you. >> reporter: tony, the white house said they will wait for the results of the international investigation into the cause of the crash, but today president obama walked right up to the edge of casting blame. >> his administration said it hasn't reached a final judgment but president obama left little doubt about who he thinks is responsible. >> evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by surface to air missile that is controlled by russian-backed separatists inside ukraine. >> reporter: the president laid out the evidence. russian-backed separatist recently shot down a transport plane and helicopter and took responsibility for shutting down an ukrainian fighter jet. and said russia is sending aircraft to the separatists. >> we know that they're heavily armed and trained, and we know
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that is not an accident. that's happening because of russian support. >> reporter: warning of misinformation and tampering with evidence the president called for a cease-fire in ukraine in part to allow for safe and rapid access to the crash site. even as mr. obama cast suspicion, the russians insist they'll wait for a verdict from international crash efforts. >> our focus right now is on seeing through a credible, thorough investigation. >> reporter: yet, u.s. officials believe investigators if given access to all the evidence will implicate the separatist and their russian sponsors, something that the president hopes will strengthen the resolve of european. >> this will be a wake-up call for europe and the world that there are consequences to an escalating conflict in eastern ukraine. >> reporter: now tony, that has been the issue all throughout the course of the spring.
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the president trying to get the europeans to impose tougher sanctions in the face of russian ukraine. after a period when russia withdrew some of those troops the pentagon spokesman said that russia has amassed between 10,000 to 12,000 troops along the border of ukraine and they're growing in size. >> to do what is the question. mike viqueira with us from the white house. mike, appreciate it. russia's response is a much different story. we have this report from moscow a short time ago. >> reporter: i think we're going to be seeing three different types of russian response. the first is on the kind of high-level diplomatic stage. the kind of which we heard from the russian ambassador to the united nations security council. he blames ukraine for what happened and said ukraine needs
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to take culpability because it was in ukrainian air space where this happened. then domestically we're going to see bluster. as barack obama was making his press conference earlier on there was a tweet from the united russia party russian deputy who was saying that barack obama was lying without blushing. thirdly, behind closed doors there is going to be deep worry here in moscow because if any party that is looking into this tragedy can firmly point the finger convincingly point the finger at the pro-russian separatists active in eastern ukraine, then that puts russia in a very, very difficult position, indeed. hugely damaging for its international level, and it will have to make a very difficult decision. does russia keep on supporting the rebels as the u.s. has
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accused o it of doing, or does it cut them adrift. if it doesn't cut them adrift, then as the united states has hinted there may be much more darkin damaging sanctions down the line. >> there is no end in site, no end in sight for the humanitarian crisis. also how does the united states know about the destruction of flight 317? we have answers coming up on al jazeera america.
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>> turning to the israeli-gaza conflict. israel launched a ground offensive in western nations. tensions are high. and where palestinians crashed in israeli forces. conditions are dire, 900,000 people have lost access to water. and hospitals are struggling to keep up. and earlier i spoke to nick
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schifrin, he has been reporting from gaza since the military offensive that israel is calling operation protective edge. let's have a look. >> it does seem like the drowned invasion is pretty limited, but what we are seeing is that chimes with what you just heard there is a lot of tank activity. we talked a lot about that corner over my left shoulder. that's northeast gaza. that's where a lot of rockets have been flying from. and the israelis have been focused on that particular point with airstrikes as well as troops last night. it seems in the last few hours there has been a lot of tank firing from israel into gaza. so early this morning what we saw was one tank shell hitting a house killing three siblings. we're get morgue reports of fighting out there of those tanks, targeting what the israeli military says are rocket launchers, or the homes of people who launch the rockets.
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it does seem to be that some families are reporting that some of that blow back, some of the fragments of those attacks are going into civilian homes. >> how is all of this fighting? how is it effecting people in gaza? >> yes, i think it's traumatic. that is the word that psychologists would use, you talk to children here. you talk to children as well who run into bomb shelters. but you talk about the f-16s and those booms and those thuds and they see other dead children all the time. the trauma from war is something that these kids will never forget. and i spoke with one, for example, today who was feeling hardened by his own father's activism when his father talks about israel. it's very negative. it's very mean.
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the son is much more scared than his father is, but he echos his father's anger, and that comes out through the fear. when he hears an israeli airstrike, he's fearful, and then he takes his father's anger and he turns it into his own. there is a generational problem here of people assuming that violence is the normal part of life. and that has been passed from the father's generation to the children, who i'm speaking to. >> so some perspective now on the scale of this conflict. israel said it has uncovered ten hamas smuggling new testaments. has sent 200 strikes on gaza. reports of strikes killing 298 gazaens. the israeli army said hamas has fired 1600 rockets in israel in
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the past 11 days. israel's iron dome defense system has intercepted 300. operation protective edge is aimed at dismantling hamas' military ape ability. 80% of the dead are civilians, and israel said it is trying to minimize casualties as it expands the offensive. john hedron reporting now from jerusalem. >> the israeli military ground assault on gaza has pressed forward as rocket attacks have continued to come out of gaza. the stated objective of the israeli campaign is to launch a ground invasion that would stop the ability of hamas to launch rockets out of gaza, and also target the tunnels that allow the palestinians to infiltrate the israeli side of the border to allegedly sneak rocket parts and other weapons across the egyptian border and tunnels that
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would also allow leaders and some of those weapons to be hidden underground. the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu had a cabinet meeting in which it was authorized to accelerate the ground campaign. the israeli military chief of staff said that that campaign will accelerate, but both of them lowered expectations, and net ha netanyahu said that there was no guarantee that this will be successful. they said they tried other options. they tried an air war. they tried a peace negotiation, and he said the price will go very high. he said there are facts that he cannot reveal to the public. so far the israeli military said they have found dozens of tunnels underground. there are military officials who say that it could take days to exploit. army engineers need to go down inside of them. all of this contribute toss how
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the israeli army is taking a very measured approach going into gaza. there are not israeli troops in gaza city, which is farther from the border. they have remained in the north and south of gaza. how this campaign continues is still left to be scene, but if israel does accelerate this campaign it is conceivable that we won't be just seeing airstrikes in gaza city, but possibly israeli troops there as well. >> just ahead on al jazeera america, a chilling report from the wreckage-strewn fields of the remains of plight 317 fell to the ground. and it is the details that matter as investigators try to understand exactly what happened.
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>> emergency workers are picking through the wreckage of malaysia airlines flight 317. a shot from the sky, all 298
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people died. >> reporter: these are emergency service personnel who have been on the scene for a couple of hours this morning. you can see they're holding sticks with white cloth on the top of it. they're marking bodies. they've been walking through these fields here coming on this side. again, this is a farm road that divides the debris fields. they've been in there and you can see the sticks near the remains. one of these gentlemen, when they walked past the debris field, they said there are too many bodies. we don't have enough stakes. they walked down the field. this is the tail section. the tail fin is over there. this part is here. and then back up the road you have even bigger debris fields. you have one on this side and one further down that seems to be the biggest debris field. you can see the landing gear.
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both engines are there. there is even a bit of a groove in the earth where clearly there was some kind of impact. these gentlemen are going to be marking where the bodies are. the important thing right now for the international community because this is an international incident is that the investigation into why these men are looking for bodies. >> families around the world are grieving tonight mourning the loss of friends and loved ones. we have reports in the netherlands and malaysia. steve chow is in kuala lumpur. >> the families and friends have been kept at a distance from the media. some have been staying closer to the airport. we by coin by coincidence were at the hotel but we were not able to speak to the people there, but we could clearly see the agony etched on their face.
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we gather also that some friends and family may well be making their way to ukraine. the crash site could well be open to those people, but all of that needs to be confirmed. >> the m malaysian government has come under fire why it allowed its national carrier to fly over the ukraine air space. the air transport minister said flights fly this route regularly, and aviation experts allowed this route to be used. but at the same time we're hearing that as early as april the u.s. government told it's carriers not to fly over certain areas of the ukraine because of a threat that civil planes might be shut down.
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malaysian airlines had come under fire specifically because this is the country's second airline disaster in four months. in march of this year, 370 bound from beijing disappeared to this day. search and rescue teams continue to search for this missing plane as well as 239 passengers. the government has come under a great deal of criticism for the perceived mishandling of this investigation. and now scrutiny will be on them this time around to see how they handle this incident. >> many are turning to their faith for strength at a mosque in malaysia. many say they knew crew members lost on the flight. many offered prayers and hope that those responsible for the downed flight would be brought to justice. this is the second fatal crash
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for the airline line this year. it's shares dropped 18%. the fbi and the national transportation board are sending investigators to assist with the investigation, but foreign monitors have had trouble reaching the crash site. >> reporter: the first independence the observers were able to get to that crash site, there were 17 monitors, but once there they found they had very limited access. they were not free to move around as they wanted to. they spent 75 minutes before leaving the site. the state department called that very concerning, and again called for unfettered access to the crash site. now security of course is a major concern there. it's a hello-held area. two investigators from the fbi and one from the ntsb are headed to ukraine to help with the
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investigation, but as far as we know right now they're only going as far as kiev because of safety concerns. they are not going to the site itself. there are also conflicting reports about whether the plane's two recorders, the black box ohs, were recovered. rebels indicated they had found black boxes but they seemed to not really know what they were looking for and the pentagon said it cannot confirm whether the boxes are in rebel hands or whether they're still in the wreckage. finding foes boxes is very important but equally important and of course so critical to the family members is recovering the bodies, identifying them, and getting these nearly 300 victims back to their loved ones. that will be a top priority once international observers and investigators get on the scene. there are offers of help coming in from numerous countries, and ukraine said it will take offers of help from many countries including the u.s. malaysia, the
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netherlands, but these officer offers mean very little until they can get the access they need on the ground. >> president obama was very clear about where the missiles that shot down flight 17 came from. and perhaps the u.s. was in position to know that information. david shuster explains. >> reporter: ever since in february when it appeared that russia might be preparing to invade ukraine several u.s. military satellites have been focused on the russian-ukraine burde burden. and yesterday the surveillance paid off. the evidence of the jetliner had been shot done by a missiles came from a group of u.s. military satellites orbiting 22,000 miles above the earth. equipped to detect heat signatures the satellites recorded the plume and 30
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seconds later a blast was detected when the missile hit the plane. ground images like this, u.s. analysts say they reviewed memory of equipment nearby capable of such an attack. you russian back separatists made no secret about the surface to air missile system. they showed off the possession of the weapon to the reporters. the weapons are russian made aircraft weapons launched from electronics. the missile is 18 feet long and has a range of 26 miles in distance and 46,000 feet in altitude. the warhead travels at the speed of sound so fast the pilot would not have been able to see it coming. ukraine's military also has the system, but to bolster the case against the separatists and russian, ukrainian intelligence released this video showing a
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missile system in operatist hands short one of its missiles. ukrainian intelligence said that it was recorded in separatist territory near the russian border just hours after the jetliner crashed. meanwhile amiddlesbrough russian denials that it had anything to do with the jetliner disaster the pentagon noted the comple complexity of the missile system. >> to think that they could do this without some measure of russian support and assistance. >> for all the satellite data linking to the missile attack there is no information on motive. however, american analysts are increasingly convinced that missile operators thought they were firing at an ukrainian military plane and not a civilian jetliner. >> can i pick up on what the general said there, suggesting that there may be some training, maybe some russian training involved here. >> that's another thing, they're
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suggesting, the satellites never mind what they pick up on thursday, over the last several weeks they've picked up things along the russian side of the border where it appears they were being trained on surface to air missile system. actually some of of the operatists were brought into russia and taught how to use this equipment. >> the president walked very close to that line in his remarks, but didn't want to, in his words, get ahead of the story whether russians actually participated in training the separatists. something tells me that we'll learn more in the days ahead. the process of investigating any plane crash is painfully slow, and it will be no different in the investigation of flight number 17. jake ward with more in. let's set the scene here. we're talking about a huge debris field and maybe a couple of different fields that we're
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discussing here. how does an investigation like this actually begin? >> well, tony, in ideal circumstances you have a lead investigators typically from either the ntsb in the united states in the case of an accident or from the fbi with support from the ntsb in the case of a criminal activity. here its anyone's guess who will be leading the investigation. in theory what the ntsb would do if they were to get on site, they would first set up a sort of hq just off the site, probably in the field somewhere, a tent of some sort. they would break their investigators into groups. they have a group devoted to the fuselage, which would chart out the wreckage, where it is, figure out what happened to the air frame and map that kind of evidence. then there is a power plant group that looks at air traffic control implications and a group that looks at voice and flight data recorders. they're going to be breaking into these various groups and
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painstakingly go through the evidence. >> when they get there on the ground what will we be able to learn from the fuselage. >> that is the most important thing in the case. that will tell you if it's an explosion that originated within the plane, if it was a suit case bomb, which no one has suggested, but if it was that or the explosion of the fuselage, if it's bent out, it's very different from what it is when the wreckage comes in. how it comes down makes all the difference in the world. the long, linear exact wreckage, it means that the plane came down in one piece. the size of the field of debris suggests it blew apart in midair, and there is a certain order of how it should come down. the right engine should be on the right side. the left sid engine should be on the left side. and if it's inverted then we
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know that the plane landed upside down. >> what will happen. >> lisa mentioned earlier the potential of getting the flight data recorders. there isn't much instrumentation on the plane to tell if a missile is coming up from the ground. there is instrumentation to tell if another plane was getting too close. but there is not going to be much information about anything approaching. and how catastrophic the explosion was if this was an explosion, it is unlikely that the voice recorder will give us much. it is crucial but not as crucial if it's an accidently down. >> it feels like an insensitive question, but once we think about it, we might understand why this is important here. how can the victims help in the investigation? >> it is grizzly business. but the human remains are crucial to the process. there is all the sensitivity of wanting to get the remains back to their families as fast as possible. but once you have established
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the seating chart, this is grizzly stuff, but once you establish the seating chart and you identify all the bodies you have this field of bodies that is going to tell you exactly where the explosion originated, the condition of those bodies will tell you from where the shrapnel was spread through the wounds, where the explosion was, and if there is smoke in the lungs you'll know they were alive and breathing smoke when the engine was on fire. but if there wasn't smoke in the lungs then they were probably dead already. that is crucial to figure out what happened. there is some balance struck between getting the bodies back to their families and using it to reconstruct this situation. >> jake ward for us in san francisco. german chancellor angela merkel takes on spying by the u.s. >> reporter: chancellor merkel said she's willing to hold talks with the u.s. over its spying program. berlin expelled it's top
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employees merkel said trust can be restored through talks but she doesn't expect a quick result. president obama is allowing drilling companies to use sonic canons for oil and gas exploration along the east coast. the canons shoot sound waves 100 times louder than a jet engine in the water. environmentalists worry it could harm sea life. th >> michael: it's the university of connecticut has settled in a lawsuit. uconn has not agreed to wrongdoing but has settled $1.3 million. most of the money will go to a former female hockey player who was kicked off the team after
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she reported that a male player raped her. this afternoon, colorado state supreme court ordered an end to the marriages, the denver clerk's office had been issuing permits after a federal ruling struck down the state's ban. today a federal appeals court ruled that the state cannot prevent same-sex marriage. they found the oklahoma ban violates the constitution. that is expected to be appealed to the u.s. supreme court. the u.s. government could allow early release for tens of thousands of prisoners. under the proposed plan 46,000 prisoner could apply for clemency. the move is part of attorney general eric holder's wider strategy to change america's war on drugs. >> ines. thank you, you'll be back with
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more public stories. >> thanks. >> a voice on both sides of the gaza conflict. we'll hear from a diplomat and senior spokesman from hamas. >> the violence has continued just a couple of miles from here >> just a short while ago we heard a large air strike very close by... >> people here are worried > people here are worried
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>> palestinians in gaza are bracing for the ground offensive. israel began it's ground offensive saturday night with hall of fame to disable hamas military capabilityto against disable hamas military.
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>> while there is a cease-fire in 2012, we have to be clear about the situation in gaza.
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the end of the siege, the end of the collective punishments. all those issues are part of the whole process. >> i also spoke with a spokesman with attorney minister, i asked him why the conflict had escalated to a ground offensive? >> last night the prime minister announced a limited ground incursion directed specifically at the terrorist tunnel. the tunnels underground are both holes and house the command and control center and are the arms that reach out underground into israel from which they're trying to search and terror attacks into israel. the prime minister said this is a limited ground operation in order to target the tunnel infrastructure, but the question is at what point--look, it's a simple equation.
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either hamas will cease and desist from attacking or we'll put an end to it. if we can do that by closing down the tunnels, then that's okay. if they are, then we'll widen the operation, which means a larger scale engage in. >> joining me now, the u.s. senator of the israeli newspaper. thank you for your time. >> happy to be here. >> a couple of statistics here and then we can go on for both sides. 40,000 palestinians have fled to. [ shelters. i wonder if the israelis, we were talking about it a moment ago, ever considered the optics of an operation like this, now there are greater consideration
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at hand. we know the power of pictures to shape and form public opinion, i'm just wondering in your years of following this conflict where are we now in 2014 in the power of social media if this becomes part of the consideration as the israelis launch an invasion. >> we saw just four days ago on the gaza beach where four children were killed this, is the most serious on stal obstacle that israel has faced in terms of public opinion, and i think israelis are very aware of this situation i think they operate at night because they're looking out for their soldiers lives, but it may also be part of the equation. and israelis are used to such
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incident of civilian casualties halting operations. we can mention two that took part i in a south village. it killed several dozen civilians. i think what we're seeing now is that everything is ampfied so much because of twitter so much, and facebook and everything. and so i think they're being doubly careful about these things. >> because we don't have a lot of time, i have a bunch of questions for you, but you've seen this over and over again. you were telling me four or five times since this engagement. >> going by the pass you'll see a cease-fire sooner or later. there will be a cease-fire
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agreement that will lead to a temporary lull. and the assumption that hamas remains in power in gaza, a year and a half, two years if we're optimistic, we'll be back at the same place we are today. israel will try to hammer down oh thanksgiving will not allow hamas to rearm and fire rockets, but it's hard to be optimistic. they will make do with whatever they can get. >> and so the end game for the operation in gaza. what is the end game. >> there are two major possibilities. one is at the end of this current stage of the ground operation there will an humanitarian cease-fire. they'll decide enough is enough. it doesn't need to do any more damage, and there will be some kind of outside intervention to
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get a peace fire or impose a peace fear. and hamas will think it's too its advantage to drive further in. it will no drive further in, and i israel will have to go in deeper than it has today. it will cause many more casualties on both sides. >> the editor of the israeli newspaper. our coverage of the disaster of malaysian airline flight 17 will continue in just a moment.
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>> consider this: the news of the day plus so much more. >> we begin with the growing controversy. >> answers to the questions no one else will ask. >> real perspective, consider this on al jazeera america >> authorities in the united states say the malaysian airliner that crashed in ukraine was brought down by a missile.
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that's complicated by the fact that the wreckage is in an area held by the rebels. he is sending a team to ukraine. now each one of the 298 people on flight had family, friends, loved ones who are agreeing today. ines is back to look at the tribute comments. >> reporter: many of the passengers on board were going to an international aid a.i.d.s. convention in melbourne. also, a father of five girls, he once said if we can get a cold can of coa coke to any part of afghanistan, we can certainly deliver a.i.d.s. treatment. his friend said how do we measure how much a person has done for humanity.
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people like joep changed the course of epidemics. a campaigner who was travel together a.i.d.s. conference his friends write: >> reporter: now many people were traveling on holiday as well. like this man. his friends said he truly loved music. it has all come to an end. and this passenger was a student, he posted this picture saying he was going off to the philippines and vietnam for a month. a video shows what appears to be passengers getting ready for take off. take a look.
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>> reporter: and family and friends are remembering the crew on board, is a o 15 of them, tony. >> all right, "real money with ali velshi" is next. >> the down of a malaysian airliner going down full of passenger. there was something about the flight path of that journey. i'll tell what you it was. and i got to warn you, you might not like the answer. i'm ali velshi, and this is "real money."