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taking advantage of the immigrants. and our colleagues held more than 200 days in an egyptian prison. and protecting your privacy. new evasion technology. hackers say it's the only way to hide from the government's spying eyes. ♪ we begin tonight in gaza where there are major developments. these images are from a hospital where dozens of israeli shells landed this afternoon. israel says hamas missiles were hidden nearby. the israeli army says it killed at least 10 hamas fighters trying to get into israel through tunnels. secretary of state kerry is in cairo tonight and the u.s. has again called for an mediate

ceasefire. the united nations says more than 100,000 palestinians have sought safety in un compounds. nick schifrin has more. nick? >> reporter: john, good evening, the israeli bombardment continues tonight. we are hearing tank shells, artillery, heavy weapons, being dropped in gaza. the israeli government has told gaza residents to leave. where they say where do we go? >> reporter: nowhere is safe. not their homes. this morning thousands of families fled this neighborhood, one mile from israel before getting bombarded. this family received a phone call and leaflets, warning them to evacuate.

they didn't wait. >> translator: we left so quickly. we left everything at home. we brought just this bag, my moan phone, and the clothes i'm wearing. >> reporter: are you scared? >> translator: we have no place. and nowhere to go. when they bomb, we are scared and frightened. >> reporter: so what do you do when you are scared? >> translator: i go to my father and he hugs me. >> reporter: they have no family or friends who can take them in. the only place that is willing aun school, but it is already overcrowded and running short of supplies. as we arrived palestinian fighters fire a barrage of rockets from a nearby launcher. these kids cheer. they tell me they hope they land not on israel, but the united states. today about ten miles away, this was the side of the hospital. israeli shells went straight

through the roof and caused chaos. [ shouting ] >> reporter: dozens of patients quickly evacuated. at this point are you able to care for the injured who were in your hospital before? >> translator: of course not. we cannot treat anyone or take care of any patients. this doctor takes us on a tour of the damage. he has practiced for 20 years, and survived three wars. he says israel has never been this aggressive. >> translator: even the medical staff were seriously injured. the hospital should be the safest place in the world when people know their houses are not safe, they come to the hospital seeking safety. >> reporter: this room is, was, a post surgical ward.

israel says the target was a nearby cash of anti-weapons. and the fighters who put them there are responsible for the gazans who died here. if their hospitals aren't safe, if their homes aren't safe, where are they supposed to go? it is currently after 3:00 am in gaza. to my left that is all eastern gaza, it is completely black. a huge blackout across four, five, six neighborhoods, and this bombardment, john, it is getting closer and closer inland towards gaza city, and that's why so many ask where do you expect us to go? >> nick, thank you. benjamin netenyahu says the blame for civilian deaths lies squarely with hamas. >> they are hiding rockets in hospitals, arms in hospitals. they are shooting from

hospitals. they just don't care. they break every rule in the book. committing triple war crimes. er targeting civilians, hiding behind civilians. al jazeera -- spoke with this woman. >> israel is a rogue state that exists outside of the law. there's no way we can come to any peace agreement with such a country unless it abandons its terrorism. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo to push for an immediate ceasefire. he is scheduled to meet with un secretary general banky moon. and egypt's president. it is providing humanitarian support. public opinion poll suggests

many israelis support their government's operation in gaza. and many say they regret the civilian deaths but are still in favor of the military campaign. kim reports. >> reporter: in israel bulletins lead with casualties. pictures of palestinians make the prime time news. a veteran news anchor choking up during coverage of a military funeral. soldier deaths going to the heart of the israeli psyche. these men arer canned heros. even israelis know the difference in coverage. these cartoons played out on a major channel during a debate over the crisis. but the israeli opinion is for the most part one-sided. >> national interest is above everything. >> hurts what is happening to

the people in gaza, but hamas uses them as a shield. >> reporter: israeli journalists aren't allowed in to gaza, and the messages the public see are carefully constructed. almost hourly updates that don't mention civilian casualties. clips up loaded is that this is an operation against terror. but on the ground, death and destruction appear indiscriminate, and palestinian civilians are dying. >> when there is a situation whereby you are targeted and bloodshed sadly is anyhow in the air, and the general feeling is that if we don't fight this, then we will die anyhow, except ingloriously and off of the battlefield. so we might as well fight. >> reporter: israel is warning

it will expand the campaign in gaza until calm is restored to israel. preparing israelis and palestinians for a continuation of this conflict. kim vinnell, al jazeera, jerusalem. in our next half hour we'll have an in-depth look at hamas, its weapons and who is arming it. now the black blockses of malaysian flight 17 are now in the hands of investigators. lisa stark joins us from washington. >> john that handover happened just within the last hour or so. the boxeser were turned over from the separatist leaders. two malaysian officials who negotiated the handover. we don't know where those boxes will be analyzed, but at least they are now in the hands of the

malaysians, and they can move forward with that part of the investigation. today at the united nations, the security council took a unanimous vote calling for an open access to the crash site, calling for a full investigation. the resolution was put forth by the australian's foreign minister. she denounced what she called grotesque violations at the crash site. australia, of course, has at least 27 victims of this disaster. >> it is despicable that this access is not being provided. it is an affront to the victims and their families. all states, armed groups, everyone must cooperate with the investigation. >> now un ambassador -- u.s. ambassador to the un, samantha powers took aim at russia during that meeting, saying today's

resolution wouldn't even be necessary if putin had forced the separatists to allow the investigators in. that remark drew rebuke from the russian ambassador who insisted that russia is working behind the scenes to help the crash investigation move forward. >> translator: and if that's the facten that the american embassy should be better informed and indeed, there's no need to turn the discussion of a tragedy into a farce. >> now the resolution passed by the un today also calls on those in the area where this plane went down, also calls on them not to disturb the debris or evidence, but it seems it's a little late for that, john. >> lisa, talk about how the united states is getting involved now. >> well, president obama spoke again today about the situation in ukraine about this -- this plane, this disaster. he said that putin should have

compelled the separatists to let the investigators in. here is some of what the president had to said. >> the burden now is on russia to insist that the separatists stop tampering with the evidence. grant investigators who are already on the ground, immediate, full, and unimpeded access to the crash site. the separatists and the russian sponsors are responsible for the safety of the investigators doing their work. >> some investigators were able to get better access to the site today. but a lot more is still needed. and tomorrow in europe, in brussels, the european foreign minister has an already scheduled meeting to talk about sanctions against russia because of what was going on before this plane went down. we'll see if they are willing to up the anti. there is some thinking that some still may not be willing to.

the thinking is what netherland wants may help sway those opinions, because, of course, the dutch suffering the most when this plane came out of the sky. >> lisa thank you. a train carrying the bodies of the victims is making its way to kharkiv. the remains of 282 victims are in these refrigerated care ages. after sitting for more than 30 hours they finalally left. it's the next step in getting these victims out of ukraine and closer to their families. earli earlier another team of international investigators also arrived in kharkiv, beyond the reach of separatist control.

the teams are waiting to get on with their job, receiving the bodies and accessing the large area where this plane went down. there is much work ahead and a recent flair up in fighting could make that even more difficult. ukraine's prime minister has agreed to give control of the investigation to the dutch and again underline russia is to blame. >> translator: it is also absolutely clear that the drunken pro-rur shan terrorists are separatists who have been trained and we have information confirming that the training look place on russian territory. advancing weapons, training, and education from russia. >> reporter: russia's president pushed back, saying now is not the time for politics. >> translator: no one should and no one has the right to use this tragedy to achieve their own selfish political goals. these represents should not divide but unite people.

>> reporter: back at the crash site the workers moved a large part of the wreckage. now kimberly martin is a political science professor at barnard college. welcome. >> thank you. >> you listened to vladimir putin say that people are using this for their own political gain. is that message going to work for very long? >> i think that the game has really changed. and putin made a mistake quite a while ago by deciding he was going to put his faith in what amounts to outsourcing to these contractors in ukraine. and the chickens have come home to roost, basically. this kind of tragedy was just waiting to happen, because no one is really in control, the evidence is that these people are not well disciplined. they are often drunk, and so he

sort of got what he paid for in taking this particular route. >> but given the fact they are called pro-russian separatists, they link themselves to russia and its leader, why couldn't he come in here and say, give them access to these bodies. give them access so they can do their investigation? wou wouldn't that be easy for putin. >> well, all he can really do is cut off their resources. they are not in a hierarchy that he is controlling. he could shut down their finance and punish the people who are running the websites. he could change his rhetoric. those are all things he can do, but he can't control them. the other thing to keep in mind, is i like to think sometimes russia is controlled by this dictator. but he is trying to balance what is happening at a political

level too. so he is constrained the way everybody else is constrained. >> how do you think this is viewed by the russian people? >> it's really interesting is that the evidence that we have is that the russian people are mostly supporting the if i recall news, and the official news that this was probably done by the ukrainian government. even though there is evidence that the missiles were given to them from the russians, and the flight pattern. >> is there danger in the international community getting too involved? >> i think he is running scared right now. >> it doesn't look like it. >> it's really interesting, the russian support at the un security council today, that

they voted it, and i think that indicates the especially european sanctions getting harden on putin. >> does that really matter, because we hear that they are squeezing russian billionaires. >> they are people that have economic interests in putin's circle, and nationalists who are also in putin's circle, so the danger is that he could be ousted and somebody who is even worse would come in. the evidence seems to be that it's working, and making them fear what is going to happen next. and whether russia will be comple comple complete isolated in this system. and the dutch government is now looking at the russian situation differently than how it was a week or two ago. >> kimberly thank you very much. coming up next, an in-depth

look at whether criminals are exploiting the immigration crisis. plus why hackers say privacy is dead, and why they say the government, and corporate surveillance are bigger threats than ever. ♪

>> al jazeera america presents >> what did i do? please take this curse off of me. >> 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen coming september only on al jazeera america the governor of texas has deployed more than a thousand troops to the border of mexico. >> reporter: 1,000 texas

national guardsmen are deploying to the mexican border. what they won't do is target the migrant children who have been overwhelming border patrol since earlier this year. perry says he has seen this humanitarian crisis first hand, and he says it's taking border patrol resources away from catching criminals. >> i will not stand idolly by while our citizens are under assault and little children are detained in squaller. we are too good of a country for that to occur. that's why i'm using my executive authority as governor of texas and activating the national guard. >> reporter: perry says the federal government has failed to gain control over the border.

$12 million a month will come from the state, and he expects to send that bill to the federal government and expects to be reimbursed. governor perry also says deploys the troops to the border is necessary to stop criminals from crossing into the country. critics say the millions would be better spent on the humanitarian crisis eye long the border. >> what governor perry says this influx of undocumented immigrants is taking border patrol guards away from their duties and the drug cartels are taking advantage. some analysts say extra money for troops is not money well spent. it is a startling correlation as the number of undocumented children hitting the border has scored. the number of drug busts have

plummeted. this california to texas seetures of cocaine, marijuana, heroin and methamphetamine are down. the governor and other texas officials are suggesting the current wave of undocumented immigrants is to blame. they say the border patrol is stretched too thin. that agents are distracted and the drug cartels are exploiting the opportunity. perry's solution, send in the national guard, but analysts we spoke to say that won't stop the flow of immigrants. >> sending the national guard to the border will certainly not do anything to change this immigration crisis that we have. it simply is not a response that has the capacity to about as a deterrent. >> reporter: that's because for the most part immigrants want to

be caught. so the national guard won't stop the flood of immigrants and says former dea agent, it won't stop the drugs either. >> seconding more troops to the u.s./mexico border is not going to have a discernible impact on the drug trade. military forces are not trained to do counter drug efforts. >> reporter: he says the current crisis will do little or nothing to change the tactics of the drug cartels. they use tunnels to go under the boarder, or have cars and trucks with false compartments. >> we need to focus resources where the risks really are. i think the bigger risks are at the point of entry. around half of the unauthorized immigration population came in with a fraudulent visa.

>> reporter: so what deploying the national guard actually do? the analysts we spoke to say not much, except maybe governor perry look like he's trying to do something. >> it's worth noting the border patrol has already doubled in size in the last eight years. it is now one of the largest law enforcement agencies in the country. and even with the current crisis, apprehensions are near 40-year lows. it's not about stopping people at the border, it's about stopping them from coming here in the first place. >> reporter: so the number of undocumented children is going down now? >> right. in june the average was 355 every day. in the first two weeks in july it dropped to 150. the administration believe it is part of their pr efforts telling people they will be send home, and working with the central

american governments to warn people of the dangers. coming up hamas, who are they, where they support comes from, and where they will ever agree to a ceasefire. and the newest medal of honor winner.

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soli this is al jazeera america. i'm john siegenthaler. a lot to cover this half hour. a third gaza hospital is hit by an israeli air strike. our reporter is on location and we have reaction from both sides. some prominent hackers say privacy is dead. what they say you need to do to protect yourself. and journalists behind bars for doing their jobs. we'll talk to sue she herself convicted for reporting the truth. ♪

secretary of state john kerry is in cairo to push for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. taifd was another day of intense bloodshed. in the two weeks since israel launched its military campaign. at least 571 pal stins have been killed and thousands injured. the total number of israeli military dead is now at 25. the un is sher-- sheltering a hundred thousand people in its come pounds. >> reporter: multiple tank shells struck this hospital. and there is no supply of oxygen for the patients. the israeli government says it is targeting hamas's cape abilities. >> they are our administration

unit and surgical ward are under attack. the bomb is in our hospital now. we cannot do anything here for our patients and our injured peoples. >> reporter: another relentless day of shelling along the eastern border. a recorded message from hamas's deputy leader promise the fighters will prevail. >> translator: the demands of our people are very cleared and fixed. there is no ambiguity. we want the hostilities to stop. and we want a lifting of the embargo the palestinians have suffered for eight years, and the world has turned its back to gaza and its people. >> reporter: but this standoff has now forced tens of thousands of people to leave their homes. the shelters overwhelmingly

contain children. >> translator: we kept screaming. people were dying. our homes were attacked. my uncles house was hit. >> translator: at my home we left everything, all of my stuff, my clothes, my toys. i would love to go back home. >> reporter: but even though this is a un shelter, people don't feel safe. many have come from the neighborhood hit hard on sunday and still enduring a full-onconflict. it's the sound of war, and this is the sound that the civilians here in gaza have been having to endure for too long now, a conflict that sees no end, and a conflict that the people will tell you is absolutely petrifying. they don't know where they are safe. they feel nowhere is safe here in gaza, especially when the attacks come from the air, land,

and sea. the israeli military has been fighting hamas in gaza with resources on ground, air, and sea. they are up against a brigade that is smaller in size, yet very powerful. >> hamas has two different arms. its political wing and the armed wing. in 2007 after israel pulled out of gaza, they went from operating in secret to behaving more like an organized military. fighters started wearing uniforms. mohammed is thought to be a leader. he is a master bomb maker, but was badly injured in an israeli attack in 2006, so the group is very secret about who is really in charge. they have about 10,000 fighters, about another 20,000 on reserve. but those numbers are from 2009.

israel says much of its support comes from iran. israel says iran smuggled in weapons for years, helping them assembly 10,000 rockets. including this rocket. it is largely made in gaza with smuggled parts, but it allowed hamas to strike jerusalem and tel-aviv for the first time. and it also shows that hamas's fighters are still able to deliver a blow against israel. john. thank you. . in ethiopia, three journalists and six bloggers have been charged with terrorism. the defendants' lawyers call the charges vague. the bloggers are part of a group called zone nine that is critical of ethiopia's government. the journalists have been held

since may. and al jazeera staff members have been in prison in egypt for 205 days. they have been convicted of aiding the outlawed muslim brotherhood. these are charges al jazeera denys. along with our three jailed colleagues in cairo, sue turton was also charged to ten years in prison, convicted in absten sha. welcome. >> thank you, john. >> what is the latest on our three colleagues? >> the latest is they have been moved to a different part of the prison, and they are in a dormitory. so they have a bit more room. one is at the hospital. he has a broken shoulder, and is

getting treatment. which is good news. but they have got an awful lot longer in prison before they can even hope for an appeal. >> what is it like to be convicted in absentia in egypt? >> the reality for me, it's kind of strangled my -- my job if you like. i can't go to egypt for obvious reasons. i can't go to africa. african union just welcomed egypt back into the fold, and they have an agreement that if somebody is convicted of something as serious as terrorist charges, they will hand that person over. and the sisi government, there have been warnings don't even think about several other countries too. >> we watched the trial of our three colleagues. no evidence. what was the evidence against

you? >> i think i got one mention. mohammed fahmy mentioned me in his speech in the end to the judge. that was it. >> i hear people say who don't want al jazeera, or al jazeera english. what did they do? you know, what were they doing? what do you say to that? >>, you know, it was clear from the trial this wasn't any kind of forensic look at the way we reported egypt at all. this feels more like we're pawns in a much bigger picture, and in the end we know that qatar very much backed the mohammed morsi election. >> and they fund al jazeera english and al jazeera america. >> exactly. it's true to say they were very much backing the muslim brotherhood. and now they have been removed. egypt and qatar friends at all.

and i think we have been caught up in that. some people say you are just the mouthpiece of qatar anyway. >> yeah, the suggestion is what was being involved by al jazeera in egypt was biased in some way. >> i have been a tv reporter 25 years. many of those in the uk -- my integrity when i was working in the uk didn't change suddenly when i went to work for al jazeera. if somebody said i want you to say this, i would walk off of the job. it's almost claiming that npr does what the obama administration tells them they should do. >> there has been some suggestion of that. but, yes, i tell people the same thing. it is helpful, though, for people who haven't been to egypt, or who have been in this situation to help us understand what it is like for reporters there now. >> it just got increasingly

worse and worse at the end of last year. after the coup really, there was a complete crackdown not only on the international media, but on the domestic media. and now they toe the military government line. and it's the same with foreign correspondent who go in. and there was a referendum on the constitution, and a couple of people tried to put up a no sign, and they were beaten up. and i think the other guys are k looking at themselves going we could end up in a cell next to these guys. >> how has journalism changed over the last ten years from your standpoint? >> well, i joined the

afghanistan correspondent for al jazeera, and when you are in a war zone, you kind of know the threats. but i think it's the areas -- like you were mentioning places like ethiopia, where people are working in supposedly a normal environment, and there is this almost sinister presence that is closing down the freedom of the press. and there is a hope that after this is all over, hopefully the charges against us, the convictions have been dropped, we pray, that maybe we can keep this momentum going. there's such energy on this sort of keep the free press free. >> i just have one other question the involvement of qatar. how does that change the game when it comes to these -- our colleagues? >> when it comes to our colleagues, i don't know whether it makes any difference. i do know the spotlight is suddenly back on cairo again. they say kerry is backing cairo.

he always tells us that there is the dialogue that they keep up the pressure on behalf of our journalists and also the muslim brotherhood supporters who are in prison, tens of thousands of them. maybe the fact that the spotlight is back on cairo again is a good thing, but pushing the president to recognize that he should have stepped in, and even now could bring some sort of amnesty. >> bob simon said if the president of the united states would pick up the phone and call sisi it might make a difference. >> i'm not going to attack the american government, because to be fair, they don't have a dog in the fight here. the only fight they have is press freedom. and they say when they do speak they are speaking on behalf of

our journalists and all of the journalists in egypt. >> sue thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. coming up next, we head to washington, adam is in for joie chen to tell us what is coming up on "america tonight." >> hi, john, coming up on "america tonight" as the world tries to make sense of the attack on malaysian airlines 17, we visit a dutch community home to just over 85,000 people, lost three entire families when malaysian flight 17 was shot out of the sky last thursday. now friends and neighbors are trying to come to terms with the overwhelming grief there. >> i think there are no words for it. because it is such a big tragedy. and you can't almost believe that this happens, even for us. it's indescribable i think.

>> lori gene brings her report from the netherlands. adam thank you. more on our top story now the conflict in gaza. we have the consult general of israel in los angeles, and joins us live. welcome, david. it's good to see you. >> good to see you too. thank you. >> let me just start with the rising death toll and the images we saw of the hospital today being hit by israeli bombs. what -- what do you think the world is making of this? >> well, i can't confirm those reports. this is a tragic situation that we didn't want to be in many. we were dragged into this by hamas. it's in the hands of hamas. they continue firing thousands of rockets massively, indiscriminately into our country. 18 attack tunnels into israel

from gaza, many in an area where we have to operate right now. we're loosing troops, but we are determined to continue this operation to unearth and destroy them, because they are a clear and eminent danger to the citizens of israel. we want to bring an end to this conflict. we want to restore peace and security. we would like to see diplomacy work. we have been open to ceasefires over the past two weeks. this is the situation, and it is very grave. >> the civilian children more than 70, 80 children have been killed, and you blame hamas for that. how is that possible? >> i do blame hamas for that, because again they started this fight which we didn't want to be in. we agreed to ceasefire, and they continue firing at our civilians, and we have to about in self-defense. they are using their own human

population as civilian shields. we have evidence of that. their rockets are placed near hospitals and even mosques, including these terror tunnels. so israel has to act. what we're asking hamas to do is not use their civilian population as human shields, because civilians are in harm's way. >> right, but knowing they are civilians that are in harm's way, israel continue to fire on them. >> we don't fire on civilians, sir. >> well, you just said they are near rocket launchers, if you know that, why do you continue to attack in areas where you know civilians will be killed. >> of course we have to defending ourselves and respond. we're trying to do it in a measured way, in a surgical way, to separate the terrorists from the civilians.

it makes it very difficult when hamas threatens the civilians to remain as shields in that area. we have a fight with the terrorists affecting both of our civilian populations on both sides of the line. we're in this to restore peace and stability. we have opened a field hospital to treat the population. we again are trying to do everything humanly possible to prevent civilian casualties. the difference between hamas and us is we're protecting our civilian population, they are endangering theirs. >> could israel have done a better job of not killing so many civilians? >> well, we warn in advance. we are endangering our own troops by loosing the limit of

supply by helping the population move away from the area of conflict -- >> where do they go? >> they can go into un -- >> they don't have bomb shelters or bunkers. >> when hamas places tenter ror tun -- ten terror tunnels in one neighborhood, they are intending to harm civilians -- >> i understand, but if you had known there were children in those areas where the 70 children were killed would you still have fired the rockets in there? >> we abort missions when we see children or civilians in the vicinity. our hearts go out to any civilian harmed in this conflict. but, again, we have to ask ourselves what brought us to where we are? and how can we emerge from this situation. that rocket fire has to end. the tunnels have to be destroyed so we can go back to a semblance

of normalcy and peace. >> is there any chance for a ceasefire? >> we have already agreed to the egyptian ceasefire, together with the entire arab league, egypt, the united states and other nations, and that was rejected by hamas. we hope we achieve our mission whether through diplomatic or economic means. but they will be resolve eventually. >> thank you very much. coming up next, why hackers say privacy and dead.

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>> president obama awarded the medal of honor to retired army staff sergeant, ryan pits. pits defended his post against an attack in afghanistan, in 2008 despite critical injuries. nine of his fellow soldiers died. 27 others were wounded. >> this medal, ryan says is an opportunity to tell our story. there was valor everywhere, according to ryan. so today we also pay tribute to all who served with such valor that day. shielding their wounded buddies with their own bodies. picking up unexploded missiles and carrying them away.

fighting through their injuries and never giving up. >> the medal of honor is the highest award for volar in combat. pits is the ninth person to receive it for actions during wars in afghanistan and iraq. according to some hackers privacy a dead. but the cure for restoring it also has risks. jacob ward is live with more. jake? >> well, john, this was the hope-ex-conference it stands for hackers on planet earth. they gathered together for a sort of -- had a kind of patriotic quality to it. the idea was to get the world's best hackers together and get out in front of both the sorts of criminal activities and the government intrusions that people are talk about so much, onces that come from programs like the nsa. there were email programs that were entirely snoop proof mobile phones as well that you couldn't

spy on. one company showed off makeup that could be used to foil recognition systems. and the guest of honor was of course, edward snowden, basically working the hackers there to work on preventing government intrusion in the future. >> we have to -- the grad students of the world have to be thinking about what they can to do fix this. they need to think in adversarial terms. they need to think about how are the worst people on earth going to try to subvert and break your system? to not just damage individuals, but to damage governments, to shield themselves from oversight and accountability, and what can you do? what can you think up to help shield us from that? >> there was really something for everyone at this gathering, john, there was bitcoin atm's

there were all sorts of web extensions that could disabilitiesment, so it's a little confusing as to whether it is fighting off the government or big companies, and that's really the point, hacking can go in any direction. the same techniques to teal your secrets from the government can be used to steal your money and everything else. china's hacking system is a sub culture that likes to go after enemies of the state. but here it comes from either the nsa or criminal enterprises. right now it is possible to use a piece of software to detect what you are typing on your keyboard from the vibrations that come through the phone put down next to it. this conference was trying to get out in front of it, and figuring out what we can do to prevent it, and someone might

also go to this conference to figure out what is possible to take advantage of. thank you, jake. a man dies of being put into an apparent choke hold by police. and it is all caught on tape. a close look at the investigation and whether other police departments use this technique. and what changed in detroit to keep the taps opened to thousands who could not afford to pay their bills. those stories and a lot more coming up 11:00 eastern. tonight's freeze frame is in response to the deadly conflict in gaza. this image is part of a new social media campaign to try to bring people together when so much is pushing them apart. the theme of the campaign is jews and arabs refuse to be enemies. the headlines are coming up next. i'll see you back here, 11:00 eastern, 8:00 pacific.

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have to make sure that the truth is t and that accountability existing. >> president obama wants a thorough investigation into the downed passenger plane. russian president vladimir putin still touching, while the dutch grief. >> they were -- grieve. >> they will never come back