. >> a new intelligence report on a shoot down of a malaysia airlines plane in ukraine. israel is a no-fly zone. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", those stories and more ahead. >> up. >> the area has been tampered with. russia says it will influence. >> a scuffle broke out turning into a brawl. >> u.s. carriers are prohibited

teleashe's. >> the fighting -- tela sieve. on. >> we have seen too much blood shed on all sides. >> stop fighting. >> rick perry sent an alert in 2012 -- a letter in 2012, warning obama. responsibility. >> when we look at the pipeline, it's full of black and brown boys. when you suspend the child you engrain that they are not good enough. >> we have to think about a country which would rather build prisons than schools. >> we begin with u.s. health officials that they have no evidence of the direct russian involvement in the shoot down of malaysia airlines flight 17. the jet was likely shot down by a surface to air missile fired

by mistake from on area controlled by russian-backed rebels, and russia created the happen. >> we are working to determine whether there was a link, whether russians were on the ground, the degree to which they may have trained the separatists. what we do know is it's not easy to operate the fa 11 systems, taking several days of training. >> gathering evidence from the wreckage is not considered vital to the investigation, because pieces of the missile may be there. the investigation is just getting under way. international monitors say the with. >> we did observe changes in the site, especially the burnt area, where the wings and the fuel tanks went down. fuselage has been movement. we didn't monitor recovery.

as with most of the days, there's no security in pleas. >> a mid calls, russia reined in the rebels. the european union prepared harsher sanctions on russia, but are yet to pull the trigger. france plans to sell a worship to russia, despite criticism from the u.s. and david cameron who said we cannot continue business as usual. frankly in this country it would be unthinkable to fulfil an have. >> joining us from kiev ukraine is andre, a member of the fatherland party in the ukranian parliament. good to have you back on the show. i'll start with vladimir putin. she said on tuesday that he will use his influence, but wants the west to push your government to end the hostility. the realities is the russian rhetoric has not been toned

down, the narrative is that the kiev government is fascist. will the airplane crash be a turning point or will it stoke the fighting as escalate? >> well, first of all, it's a shock for our nation. we do hope it will be a turning point for the world, that it will open the world's eyes on eastern ukraine. under the russian flag and influence, the plant has been turned into tribal land. no rules, no laws, no dignity, no justice. that is what is happening there. >> do you think there will be a broader ceasefire any time soon. i know there's a limited ceasefire around the crash site. >> shutely. the ukranian authorities made the decision

to stop military actions in the crash area, and it was done to make sure investigations will be able to do what it has to do. as you know the bodies of victims are under control of the separatists. tomorrow the airplane will go to amsterdam, and it will bring closure to when the relatives can give closure to the loved ones. the conflict in ukraine is escalating in many different ways. what is going on inside the ukranian government. a brawl broke out in personals. they were talking -- parliament. they were talking about calling up military reserves to fight the rebels. what happened there? >> after the parliament made a decision to make sure we had enough troops, there was a

member of parliament from the former party. they made statements defending the ukranian army. you will probably see some pushing and poking, and after that the speaker - there was a special decision by the personal to dispel the person from the parliament floor. >> as of the moment, we have a nothingsal wide concern cess on what is happening in the country. we see what happened in theees as international terrorists and we stayed in united as one nation that wanted to defend the territory and making sure that a tragedy will never be repeated. the viktor yanukovych government being that of the former president of ukraine who stepped down. let's talk about the airplane.

the united states revealed intelligence supporting claims that the missile used to down the plane came from an area that was controlled by the rebels. the security service released a batch of intel that they say shows russian back the rebels used, using a buk missile to do it. do you have confidence that someone will be held accountable for what happened? >> we hope so. at the moment i think there is more than enough evidence to prove that this terrible crime was done by the pro-russian terrorists. it was done with russian weapons, and it was done with russian citizens involved. i think when mr vladimir putin and his disagrees really makes those cynical comments, i think it's a change for the cold world. i do believe that those people

who are - who shot the plane, those people who did not allow the investigators to do their job, those that looted, i think they should held spoke. >> there has been worldwide outrage about this, there has been demands on russia to cooperate in the investigation, the united states improved more sanctions on russia, the european union was expected to follow with some more severe sanctions and swedish foreign minister said "i think europe has woken up." tuesday nothing happened. >> do you think the europeans will pull the trigger, because france, for example, has 1.7 billion defense contract with the kremlin. it says it will go ahead and helicopters. >> look, we understand that our european france act under circumstances that they are in.

we do believe that this moral support will be converted in more soars steps. you should realise that the tragedy with the plane was not the last. two days ago, a swedish citizen was kidnapped in luhansk. yesterday nine swedish students were kidnapped. that's the nature of the terrorist gank controlling the east of the county. we feel we are at the front line of the fight against international terrorists sponsored by russia. our international friends we hope realise that and will see solidarity, support, into some more concrete actions against terrorists. >> it's a pleasure to have you on the show. we are grateful that you are taking the time in this busy and

serious moment for your country. thank you. for more, we are joined in new york by katrina van den heaval. editor and publisher of "the nation." u.s. intelligence officials say there's direct evidence that the russians have been sending missiles into ukraine, and they don't have evidence of the involved of the shooting down of the airplane. they pretty much created the conditions for that to happen. is it fair? >> i think it's important that u.s. intelligence say there's no direct link. we need an impartial investigation. when u.s. intelligence says that russia created the context. we need to step back and look at it in the context of when that plane, the civilian plane was downed and the tragedy of that occurred in the midst of another tragedy, which is that you had the kiev government. the kiev army waging a war on

south-eastern ukraine, and we have had a reeve any crisis in -- refugee crisis in june, the u.n. recognising that 110 residents fled to russia, i think what we need to do at this moment is be human and not use the downing of the plane as a trigger for more violence which we see too much of, but a way to renew negotiations that were under way, and a ceasefire that the ukranian government stepped away from after two days, despite french, german, u.s. and russia, hopes to continue. >> is it fair to put it on the ukranian government. one thing you wrote in "the washington post," was na western media was one-sided. we are focused on the russians, and the pro-russian separatists and their involvement. you wrote that we are not paying attentions to the ukranian government's

citizens. >> we need to pay attention to pro-russian rebels, what they are doing. i write this because so much attention in the west has been paid to the pro-russian rebels. region. >> it's a government trying to - doesn't a government have to control a rebellion. the outlines of a settlement are clear. or part of that outline. ukraine has been a deeply divided country - through history, culture and language. the ability to uniify is possible. the contents are clear. it needs to be federalized. decentralized. state. in addition. we speak with hope that ukraine will emerge from this with stability and economic prosperity. if ukraine is to emerge that way. it needs to be a bridge between

russia and the west, and not to tied to the west. and half the countries is tied ethnically and tied in language and other ways. there has been a tug of war, and vladimir putin is pulling back. >> it's deep history, last november. when the e.u. approached ukraine, never forget there were military components to the e.u. agreement. it triggered this crisis, not to ab solve russia, it didn't need to come to this. russia went to the other extreme and didn't want to leave ukraine. >> there's no question there's russian involvement. it's also the case that you have people in that region, who were patriots, not necessarily loyal to putin. he is under attack in his own country by some. he has a politics as we do, for not being tough enough and sending troops in.

>> he's under attack from an ally. a former finance minister. a loyal ally. he is saying that vladimir putin shouldn't, and the whole situation shouldn't lead to an us against them situation. i think he's right. never forget the ceasefire talks were going on in june. you had russia, france, germany. representatives from the eastern ukraine. and the key of governments streak it off. i believe the best way for this - for ukraine not to be an us or them is to begin a process of negotiation. hard knows. the idea that u.s. is going to israel russia or the west as putin's ally said is laughable when you think of the fact that we don't want to isolate russia. it's the sixth largest economy,

and moving towards china. it was just in lat jip america. it's -- lat join america. it's -- latin america. it's part of the brics. the idea of isolating russia seems counter prulentive for security. you wrote: whether he can or can't, don't you thinks he's trying to destabilize eastern ukraine. by the way, he is an authoritarian leader, and has limits to his power. i don't think it's in russia's interest. you understand it needs a stabilized ukraine, as europe, which gets nailed for its interest in oil and gas. it, too, has a reason it wants a stable ukraine on the border. it's in the interests of east and west.

and not to start a new cold war. let's hope it hasn't happened. >> it's a terrible time when too many civilians are understand assault in this part of the world and country. you. now for more stories from around the world. we begin in nigeria, where president goodluck jonathan met with some of the girls parents that were abducted. also in attendance, 51 girls who escape. this is the first time goodluck jonathan met with any of the parents. president jonathan vowed to do everything in his power to free the girls held by boko haram. next to washington dc where dualling court rulings raise questions about the future of affordable care act. a federal appeals court ruled

that federal subsidies for those that buy insurance through healthcare.gov are illegal. a blow to the law. hours later another federal appeals court - in one in virgin a, upheld the subsidies. it could take obamacare back to the supreme court. and in saudi arabia. a meeting to discuss a ceasefire agreement in gaza. the first leading between two leaders since a rift between qatar, which supported the muslim brotherhood. he was overthrown by the saudi-backed general abdul fatah al-sisi. that is some of what is happening around the world. coming up, the f.a.a. bans flights into israel as rockets send people running for shelter at the country's main airport. the latest from gaz yes. with children crossing

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hamas rockets were started. no hits were reported. secretary of state john kerry has been asked to have u.s. flights restored. israel continues the operation. at least 633 palestinians have been killed, and 3700. 30 israelis have been killed and 100 injured. secretary of state john kerry met with egypt's foreign minister. in tel aviv - a real peace with hamas was unlikely. >> what we do here with hamas is another instance of is rammist extremism, violent extremism that has no resolvable grievance. hamas is like i.s.i.s. hamas is like al qaeda. hamas is like hezbollah. hamas is like boko

haram. for more, let's go to gaza, and nick schifrin. israel's newspaper is reporting that fighting in gaza eased up on tuesday. is that what you are seeing? >> i suppose that when there are hundreds of air strikes tore drone strikes or artillery or tank strikes on a day, the notion that lighter is rely difficult, giving you an example. in the last couple of hours we saw a building behind me instruct three times. the barrage continues. you see tanks and artillery fire. along the borders. they used tunnels to get into israel. in northern gaza a lot of rockets are fired. f-16s, drones. a real sense. perhaps by the numbers. there are fewer strikes. on the ground it's feeling like a war zone. >> hamas sends rockets in the other direction.

>> what is the blow back. >> yes, israel is upset about this. as you said about binyamin netanyahu, binyamin netanyahu asked secretary of state john kerry to rescind the offer. israel is trying to prevent itself as a tourist destination. as opposed to binyamin netanyahu was talking about hamas controlled gaza. it shows people were running in panic from the airport. officials told all of the passengers to get out of the terminal. a lot of american flights, airlines, not willing to take a risk. the iron dome is protecting most of tel aviv. and one rocket got through there. that's why i see a concern among the carriers. and israel trying to convince

the u.s. not to cancel the flight. the u.s. has a lot more about safety in mind. >> with the casualties mounting on both sides, we see the horrendous suffering. israeli justice ministers, whose considered one of the people in the government. they said tuesday that a ceasefire is not near or doesn't see light at the end of the tunnel. does it seem like either side is ready for a ceasefire. >> in a word, no. here is the problem. hamas will continue to fight until it gets its main goal, the lifting of the israeli and egyptian siege. egyptian on the southern. israel on the north, west and east. israel gave no indication that it's willing to do that. hamas will keep fighting. now that israel is inside of gaza, it vowed to finish the job.

that is to destroy the tunnels that fighters are using from gaza to get into israel. that is not something that takes a few hours. it takes days, if not weeks. when israeli officials tell their public, all will die in vein, that limits the chances for any kind of ceasefire. >> thank you for joining us. for more on the diplomatic efforts to end the fighting in gaza, i'm joined from tel aviv, deputy spokesperson for his rail's foreign ministry. i want to start with what is happening with international flights, american flights to the airport in tel aviv. they've been suspended by the federal aviation administration for 24 hours because of the hamas rocket that struck less than six miles from the airport. an anonymous israeli official told the new york times that it's safe to fly to israel and:

did the u.s. jump the gun. did american officials talk to the report before taking action. >> i don't know whether it was a prize or not a prize. i'm confident that in the near future the flights will resume. they are ongoing. i think that the airlines are being cautious. you know, i mean just - i think one of the faults that passed through the mind of every israeli is the rhetorical question as to what would happen were hamas to get their hands on surface to air missiles. which only goes to strengthen the call that we are hearing from around the international community for disarming hamas strip. >> let's talk about the workings for a ceasefire. secretary of state john kerry is in cairo, working with egypt's foreign minister, trying to come

up with a plan based on a plan that hamas rejected. israel rented the plan, a -- rejected the plan allowing hamas to open some of the border crossings. are the conditions acceptable to israel given what has happened over the past few days? >> you know what israel was, and we said it before the outbreak of violence, in an attempt to avoid the violence, is that we want to guarantee that our civilian population will life in peace and calm and get back to a sense of normalcy. should that be the case, we - you know, there's nothing we would like more than to resolve our differences with the palestinian people. let me be clear, they are not our enemy. prior to the counter outbreak of hostilities, there were zero restrictions on export, limited restrictions on import into gaza, and that, sadly, has been

seen - is too liberal. if you look at what they have done with all the building work that we've down in there, instead of building schools and homes, they guilt a city of terror tunnels, posing a stark threat against israel. there were almost no restrictions there. there were palestinians coming across into israel on a daily basis. there still are a few thousands people in the last week who crossed human rights organizations, journalists, in the other direction. patients coming out, injured parties coming out for treatment inside israel. so a formula can be found. there's no question. the real question is what level of trust do we in israel and the international community have for the voracity of commitments.

it's illustrated today. an hour and a half ago, all 28 members of the union put out a statement calling for the disarming of hamas. >> in that context, u.n. general ban ki-moon is in israel, meeting on tuesday, and the secretary-general said both should stop fighting and start talking, condemning the hamas rocket attacks, and the use of civilian sites for military purposes, adding this... >> few would accept the rockets raining down on the territory. all countries and parties have an international obligation to protect civilians. >> that comment about civilians - does that include criticism

of israel. more than 120 palestinian children have been killed. more than 900 have been wounded in all this fighting. numbers that are 100,000 trauma. >> there's no question when the secretary-general says that - or the scrrnal of the united nations says that there is an obligation on all parties, that includes israel. if you look at what has happened on the ground, you see that the israeli military has taken unprecedented steps in comparable and incomparable nature, steps that palestinian mice and limit -- minimise and limit casualties. there's a strong and steady degradation. there is a real concern for the welfare of the civilians, whilst being abused by their own

leadership, by hamas in a way that will go down in history, at a low point in humanity. just today dark stories of the use of child soldiers is coming up. i suppose i shouldn't be surprised. last week the spokesperson of hamas, who is proudly and unashamedly put a grenade in the hand of every child in gaza. >> conflicting information out of israeli government sources. how long the operation needs to last to get rid of the tunnels - where do you think it is. >> i can't speak to operational considerations. i don't know how long it will take. the quicker the better. it turns out that they have a fairly startling infrastructure down there, underground.

4-5 metres under ground. hundred of tunnels, some 1.5 miles long. traversing the international frontier. some of them you can dry vehicles through, and entire underground network, which you imagine is from a science for example movement. this is reality, and a monster ended. >> thank you for your time. for a different perspective on the fighting in gaza, i'm joined by a found are of bridges media consulting and former editor of middle eastern affairs for c.n.n. we heard the israeli spokesman say the palestinians are not the any. you blogged only the innocent deserve support. how do you distinguish who is innocent and who is not? >> it's easy.

the spokesperson did a great job repeating his government. i think he used this opportunity to repeat the same things that israel has been saying. he said nothing new, he didn't advance the story, why israel or there or how long. how it is. who is incident and who is hamas. i'll ask this question if i were acting him or someone else, where are the hamas militants that they captured. where are the hamas militants that he killed. we are talking about a surgical - what israel calls a surgical operation in gaza, and a pinpoint air strikes. and hundreds of civilians died. watch the innocent. the innocent are the civilians, the children, the women, the men who are not armed, in their homes, with no - absolutely no

place to hide, no place to run. when you talk about the inequality in this conflict, it's very important to highlight this inequality instead of saying it's inequal. talk about how it is ipp equal. in israel you can intercept rocket. you heard the spokesperson. life will be back to normal. palestinians can't say that. they are not confident that life will be back in normal. in fact, it will never be back to normal. >> how much of that is hamas's responsibility. you heard what has often been said that hamas is hiding rockets, and mentioned that child soldiers are out there. there are reports that young teens have operated as suicide

bombers, is hamas prioritising martyrs who will somehow boost its cause over peace? >> yes. very important for your viewers to understand that hamas is not all of the palestinians. hamas is not all of gaza of thus, my piece that i wrote, the innocent in gaza. most of the people in gaza want peace. as he said, he said that israel doesn't consider palestinians to be the enemy. it treats all palestinians like the enemy, if hamas is the enemy. if you want to deal with hamas, there are better ways to deal with hamas. my question is while you attack the civilians and punish the civilians, are are the victories. if israel cannot prove or show - for example, the spokesperson is talking about hamas hiding behind the innocence, where are they. how come all the reporters on

the ground are not finding the weapons. you are looking at the images, where are the weapons, let's find them. there was the case of the u.n. school that had 20 rockets inside it. in any case... >> that's a good point. they were not bombed. they found the weapons, and anwar criticised and condemned hamas for hiding the weapons in the school. that's not what was bombed. you have hospitals. >> wha says 18 medical facilities have been damaged. rockets are launched and reportedly in many cases they were in populated areas. the launching sites. again, as you said earlier, rockets are not doing much damage in israel. there's damage and lots of death in injuries, you talk about how the palestinian psyche is being

destroyed and the will to live is being destroyed. again, you said that people can't celebrate hamas rockets on israel and complain about israel's response. >> absolutely not. >> i understand that it's disproportional that hamas and - gaza is suffering more than israel is. why is hamas doing this, and not looking for a ceasefire and continuing to send rockets when suffer. >> you cannot ask me or the spokesperson of the government what it wants. we took it for granted that refused. >> if you lisen to them. they are saying no one talk to us about a ceasefire. we can't take words and believe them. not the spaes person, you or anybody. you want to know what they want. who is talking to hamas.

i oppose the firing of rockets. i'm against violence. i want the palestinian people, the civilians, the innocent people i want them to live in peace, they can't leave the gaza strip. it's not a country. we have to understand it. israel is suffocating the palestinians. it's under the guise of fighting hamas. israel has been here several times before, and achieved nothing. you know, not all of israel agrees with what the spokesperson is saying. a dot of israelis debump what is it said and they are opposed to the incursion with baza, they want peace. what we see is a collective

punishment that will lead to nowhere. except the suffering, the more suffering of innocent people. >> we have asked the questions and spoken to hamas on the show. hamas has been involved in conversations with egypt. hamas as to take some responsibility for finding a road out of here. >> again, great to have you with us. look forward to having you back. thank you. >> thank you. time to see what is trending aregawi. >> tragedies like the mh17 inspire the good, and the bad. online scramers exploit -- scammers exploit the bad. six fake facebook scams were shut down. some links bed to a pornographic site. and others to suspicious products and services.

facebook relies on users to report the accounts. a company spokesman says they are disabling the programs as soon as they are made aware of them. the scams are extremely lucrative for the criminal groups, and they are awarded with advertising or referral revenue, directing traffic to certain sites. scams have popped up. in some cases the criminals created fake fundraising strikes. the better business bureau has a number of scams and messages saying be wary of sites that only accept cash. twitter. >> people that take advantage of others suffering are the scum of the earth. >> awful. straight ahead - did the u.s. government miss major signs warning that our current

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joining us from texas is the associate director of the national centre for border security. texas alpasso, and lead researcher of the report "the unaccompanied alien children project", and has more than 20 years of experience in the united states border patrol. fewer than 5,000 central american children were apprehended crossing the border for most of the first century, growing from 10,000 this decade and 24,000 in 2013. we are seeing 57,000 already in 2014. when it was only projected to be 60 for the year. now, people did think this was going to grow was a problem. not as intensely as has happened. >> that's correct. when we did the study, we are

rejecting it, 60,000 apprehensions for unaccompanied children. that number has been surpassed with three months left to go in the federal fiscal year. 2012, again, was the year that the issue began to gain intention. numbers were increasing. governor perry wrote a letter, three first ladies from central america spoke about it at a conference. you bring this up in a report. why were we blipd sided with this problem. considering -- blindsided with this problem, considering we have had years of warning. >> i'm not certain what the answer is. as you stated, this has been a problem from 2012, when we were asked, in august of last year, to - the research, breath and scope was in august. we delivered the findings, in late february, 2014, was recommendations. we were one team of three teams.

the other team was rikers university, the ert university california. >> 60,000, 90,000 - you are still talking a significant number of clearly forecasted by people like you looking into it. how much did politics play into the problem. that democrats were worried in 2012, that the issue would damage the chances for reform? >> i really couldn't tell you. i could only tell you a little about the history of what i have seen in my border patrol. in the '90s, we saw something similar. we saw this in 2004, 2005 time period. there were others in mexican nationals, and we see this in the last couple of years. the only difference is that these are unaccompanied children, adding to the

complexity of the issue. it should have been a surprise. there has been a history of this type of issue along the border. as the complexity adds to the cost. you said that in the report, you say that lack of deterrence at the u.s.-mexican border is one of the real big problems here. so what needs to be done in order to avoid the problem? >> well as the process starts now, when the individuals were crossing a border and still crossing the border, is that there were, in essence giving up. there was no deterrence, no thought or a consequence for entering the country illegally, knowing that they'd be processed, and after placed in a shelter to await their removal.

as they overloaded the system they'd be released, family members, with the idea that they'd show up at the immigration-appointed time. it shows the numbers really don't sustain, that they'll come back on that. it was the ideas of crossing, facing little consequences and soon being released into the interior of the united states. again, a quick final question. what do you do then. once you step on the u.s. land, they can pretty much stay. >> that's still - the real issue, antonio. the way i look at the long-term effect is a policy issue. it's a policy issue of those that were here, coming and over there. you get a significant problem that must be dealt with. >> it's a complicating matter, it's costing the united states a lot of money. a lot of children

are suffering. it's an interesting work from the university of texas. coming up, why large numbers of kids are going from the system. >> it's a different look at why schools are failing our kids.

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>> al jazeera america. are many children pushed into prisons? the answer is yes. the process is starting at school with the school to prison pipeline. in a nation with the highest incarceration rate in the world, it is

disproportionately impacted by minority students and those with disabilities. anna der veer smith took on the issue and joined us from san francisco, where she presented stage readings "notes from the field, doing time in education - californian chapter", focussing on the school. you may recognise her, including "the west wing", and "nurse jacky." explain four latest work? >> so this idea of the school to prison pipeline is what you said clearly, which is the ways in which some discipline - some discipline practices in schools end you will putting kids on what is called the school to prison pipeline. data shows suspension, a certain number, increase the likelihood

that kids end up in front of a judge, and the number of times they end in front of a judge is relevant to how long they stay in a cycle of incarceration. if a kid is not in school, they are in trouble. the chief justice of the supreme court of california, had a summit in anaheim last december in which they looked at truancy and looked at this. a lot of judges understand that the judicial system can't handle everything in front of them. from a lot of points of views, governors, teachers, parents, around. >> do you think the schools were failing the kids, the legal system failing the kids. what should the schools and courts do. >> i think it's more than that. i think many institutions are failing kids. we blame the schools and teachers, but they don't have

the resources. science is now coming to understand the effect, for example of communities - what it means to live in a community where there's chronic violence, how it affect the development. there's toxic stress, which sa paediatrician speaks about, and scientists have done studies to show the effect of stress and trauma on cognitive and emotional development. there's things we can start to do to help kids. you know, the progressive people we were doing will tell you we need to stop building prisons, and focus on making schools better. they'll be the place where responsibility lies to keep communities healthy. >> a policy that fuels the school, is the zero tolerance policy that has become common across the country.

in this environment where school shootings are a weekly occurrence, what do you say to those that argue that the focus should be on school safety? >> absolutely. you probably know that the zero tolerance policy - some date it as beginning with columbine. most of the trubing incidents don't -- troubling incidents don't happen in inner city schools. we have to find a way to keep schools safe and the the same time find a way not to have disprop arsality in the ways -- disproportionality in the ways they enter the criminal justice system, and we have to think differently about what is punishment, what is rehabilitation. do our prison systems do a good job, or are they about something else.

about retribution, rather than helping to bring kids along. school is hard for kids of all economic backgrounds. just the whole way they have to endure testing. when i look at the resources, that some of my students have, i teach at the new york university, the kind of resources that they have in their lives, then we think that kids that are poor, they should have exponentially more. as an economic reality we have to find a way to provide that. we have to find a way to think about what punishment is meant to do, and for those that are adults in the system, in the criminal justice system. >> you raise a lot of questions in notes from the field. i know you conducted 100 interviews with people throughout the justice system in schools to bring up the issues. i wish you the best of luck to seeing it and where the project goes in the future. >> thank you for this.

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