protests continue in ferguson, as president obama preaches calm. could major challenges in police plan quell tensions. signs hamas may make didn't concessions in peace talks. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this", those stories and more straight ahead. >> escalating tensions unleashed by police shooting of unarmed

teenager. >> police throwing stun grenades. journalists have been in the middle of the story. tear gas cannisters detonate in front of them. >> ferg will not be -- ferguson will not be defined as a community torn party violence. >> the military mission on mt sinjar appears to have been scaled down. we do not expect an additional operation to evacuate people off the mountain. >> the pope opened a 5-day visit to south korea with a message of reck reconciliation. >> when the pope landed, air space was open. the pope sent a message of good will. >> extension to a ceasefire in gaza appears to be holding. >> how do you get through a negotiation when the two sides are so far apart? >> we begin with efforts to calm

tensions in ferguson andrej meszaros. after days of angry protest that made the suburbs look like a war zone than a community, grieving the death of a community, officials lined up to say enough is enough. missouri governor jay nixon announced captain johnson would be taking over. >> i grew up here, this is my home. it's important to break the violence, build trust, showing the utmost respect for every interaction with every citizens. >> the fbi will oversee the investigation into the police shooting of 18-year-old michael brown. and governor nixon says he thinks the name of the officer involved in the shooting should be released, something protesters, and the aclu should push for.

>> i think it would be an important milestone here to get that out as expeditiously as possible. >> wednesday night in ferguson was violent. protesters threw molotov cocktails and bricks. police and armoured vehicles responded forcefully are tear gas and concussion grenades. several reporters were arrested. two who were doing their work at mcdonald's. an al jazeera crew were hit with tear gas and rubber bullets. president obama called for calm and transparency from police. >> there's never an excuse for violence against police, or for those that use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. there's no excuse for police to use excessive force against protests, or to throw protesters

in gaol for lawly exercising their rights. >> ashar quraishi, good to see you after what you went through. it's a different situation to what we have seen over the last few nights. >> absolutely. it is very different from what we saw 24 hours ago. we are in the heart of ferguson. a lot of looting and rioting took place. >> it's a situation that erupted last night. the crowd large, loud and boisterous. we have seen family members and children. i have seen people come out with bottles of water. what we have not seen is heavy military-like presence. there have not been large armoured vehicles. tactical officers on the streets with my-powered riving.

it is a tact that is disirch. the missouri highway patrol has tape over security, and the hope is that taking a softer touch, pulling back a bit, and that overwhelming preps that intimidates this crowd, leading to the violence and unrest over the last few nights will not erupt tonight, but it's a different tack, a different operational style, and it will be interesting to see how it plays out through the night. >> is that what you are hearing. how much of a difference is it, thanks to the change in stewed. we have video of ron johnson. he's marching with protesters. >> there's absolutely a different tone. as i mentioned, it was not a large or any police appearance.

traffic continued to flow. when the police vehicles came in, helping a woman. officers got out, and in the crowd surrounded them. it looked like the situation may get ugly, we pushed the crowds away from the officers, they were allowed to leave without incident. there was a plastic bottle thrown, but no real violence. a different toll when it comes to the interaction between the crowds and the police that made a brief appearance. >> good to here. president barack obama said on thursday, that in the u.s. police should not bully or arrest journalists, that is exactly what you experienced last night. we are showing the video, you were nowhere near a crowd of protesters acting violently, and you were obviously a reporter. how in the world does this happen, how do you come under attack. >> well, in fact, we were a mile

from this location, away if much of the mela. we were in contact with police officers right in front of our location. it was surprising. we were caught offguard by the idea this we would be shot at using rub are bullets or a tear gas cannister. we didn't expect it. we could see them clear. we this lights on, camera in place. i was standing ready to do a live report when they began to shoot in our direction. what we heard from the police chief. if you are in the crowds, you'll be shot at. no crowds around us at all. it was us with the crew. >> good to see the positive change. al jazeera america correspondent ashar quraishi, thank you for joining us from ferguson. joining us if the studio in st louis, is louis reed, alderman, it's good to have you with us. you were out in ferguson,

wednesday night one of your fellow alder men were dragged out of a car, an aid, a state senator was tear gassed. why do you think things spiralled out of control. >> it's obvious, once you see the pictures and video from the night, that the reason things spiralled out of control was the tactics that were taken by the police department. and i'm so glad that they are mr ron johnson headed up the effort. i think we'll see a lot better, more positive outcomes as it relates to the relationships between the residents and the police department. >> you know, how did the decision to put ron johnson in charge come about, how important do you think that is to the fact that it is, that at least so far things have been calm is this. >> i think the decision came been based on the visuals that people saw on facebook, on

twitter, on tv, on cable, all cross america, and the outcry from the community, and the fact that the community could not have a stage peaceful protest. they couldn't sit on the sidewalks or stand in an empty parking lots and gather as a group and sing songs, and to say just for michael brown. if they did that, they were, you know, tear gassed and shot with rubber pellets, and arrested. >> what do you think about how things played out today, and are playing out tonight, with the focus put on ferguson by the governor, missouri senator, and president obama. do you think the message of peace is getting through? >> it absolutely has gotten through. it is night and day. if you were at the police

department with myself and others, and at some of the other protests in the evening, and you saw the posture of the police department when they came out in full riot zeer, automatic weapons, sniper rifles, armed tripods pointed at the crowds and stuff, and today you saw none of that. people were just jooub lapt. they were excited. they were, you know, blowing their horns. it was festive. no one was getting hurt. police officers - people were talking to police officers and taking pictures with the officers, and posting them on facebook and twitter. >> did it take too long for the high officials to get involved? >> of course, you know, you want to see it done earlier and sooner. i hate that monday morning quarterback it, but i'm glad

that it finally happened. it needed to happen, otherwise, as others thought, someone was going to get hurt if we were to continue down the road. >> we did research and found despite the way ferguson has been portrayed, this is not a crime-ridden community. one arrest for 40 or so residents. the average is worse. one arrest for every 26. in that context. why do you think there was all this looting and violence. could outsiders have been a problem? >> this tragedy, you know. young michael brown headed to college on the monday. and his life tape away. 18-year-old kid, by all acts he was not a threat to the officer. this has gripped not just ferguson, not just st louis,

missouri, but the nation. you know. i just thing that that played a major role in the perception. >> now, the governor came out in support of releasing the name of the officer, something that the protesters demanded. are you concerned that it night not be safe. >> no, i think the opposite. other names may be floated as a person that shot him. that would put other in danger. it could put other people in danger. the officer that chitted the shooting, his name needs to be -- committed the shooting, his name needs to be released. they need to do that right away. it will be a step in calming the community down, letting people know that, yes, justice is on the horizon, and the proper steps are being made to make

sure there's an open and complete investigation. >> louis reed, president of the st lou st louis board, thank you for being with us. >> dan iceman from the st louis police, a former police chief, he's a professor of policing in the community for the university of missouri, and st louis. good to have you with us, chief. having worked in that community, knowing the relationship between police and the people that live there, why do you think things got out of control? >> well, i think that the ramped up police response came in direct relyings to the looting and vandalism that happened the first night. so the police came out with a tougher posture. that created an ongoing cycle that lasted for three days.

unfortunately there was no lines of communication, where the police department could reach out to leaders. and give them a window to express themselves and also to extract those people that were causing harm in the neighbourhoods and so it got locked into a cycle where one person ratcheted up the violence, and we could stay on the path until we had dialogue. >> going back to what launched this, the death of michael brown. you said in a radio that young african american males were disproportionately involved in crime, and you said that was a high disproportionate of white police to the young mention that

could lead to an anarmed being killed. >> i don't think people sit back and consider what that could mean for ferp males in -- african-american males in this community. in many cases we hear the complaints from young black males, that they are the target of harassment and pulled over on a regular basis. it's something we need to consider. ferguson was white 30 years ago, and now is predominantly black. thing police force has few back officers. >> how does the racial history play and why are there few black officers? >> i can't say why there are few black officers, especially when the community are did not, and are african-americans, so it is good to have diversity in the

police department. a diverse police department brings different experiences and backgrounds. it brings sensitivity to people's culture, that matters in policing. that is a partnership. it's a community partnership. last night we talked on the show about the militarization of police in the country. thursday, missouri senator maccas kill said this? >> interview: i think last night the militarization of the response became more of the problem than any solution. >> we heard louis reed talk about the that. do you agree? >> well, it's clear in hindsight that the strategy to be more forceful did not hurt. they continued to ratchet up day after day and things got worse. i don't know if you can characterise the profession as

being mill taristic state. certainly in this case it seems as if they were - if there was more communication, we probably could have deescalated the situation. >> talking about the militarization, we know that the military was giving a million dollars words of equipment. by 2013 it soared to 450 million. thanks to department of defense, from war fighter to crime fighter. now there are 50,000 swat operations. it's almost 140 a day. many of them are used to conducting ordinary police work. on thursday, attorney general eric holder said he would look into this. is this something public officials should have been thinking about because this had been going on for years? >> well, i think there was a response in the wake of 9/11 to begin to give this equipment to law enforcement officers for

emergency situations. on a day-to-day basis, police departments were using them for swat, search entries, and it is something that we ought to look at.. >> why do you think police acted so aggressively, especially with reporters. it seemed they were trying to intimidate them. i think the reaction or overreaction was a product of what could happen in the initial stages of this incident, where there was looting and violence, and the police department got locked in one strategy, and they were not able to see a way out of it. they met more force with more force. not knowing that the only way that you were going to control the situation is to develop a partnership with the community. allowing the community their space, allowing community of the

time, the time to grieve, allowing the community time to express frustration, and with that, working with them to make sure that people who are not protesting peacefully are extracted from the group. >> i am sure you are more optimistic today, and let's hope things stay peace. it's a pleasure to have you with us. >> coming up. iraqi prime minister nouri al-maliki announces he will step down as the u.n. dlars the highest level. rear-admiral john kirby will join him to discuss the u.s. rolt. >> and an inside look at the negotiations between israel and gaza and the hopes for a lasting pass. what do you think. join in the conversation.

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iraq's political crisis eased on thursday, the humanitarian crisis goes on. in baghdad nouri al-maliki announced he would step down, ending a legal challenge. nouri al-maliki, threw his support to hider al-abadi, who was nominated to replace him on monday. people yazidi, and u.n. officials question president obama's claim that an evacuation mission would likely not be needed. both said tens of thousands of refugees were trapped on the mountain by is. for more on a peaceful change of government. i'm joined by a former u.s. ambassador to croatia and ambassador to iraq. good to see you. nouri al-maliki is stepping down. it may be the start of what president obama and iraq has

been waiting for, a nolle prosequi sectarian -- nonsectarian iraqi government. is this the first unqualified good news we've had in a while from iraq? >> it is good news, but very qus qualified news. nouri al-maliki may have been able to patch some differences, but it will not make a difference to the struggle against is. hider al-abadi is from the same party as nouri al-maliki, and represents a shiite quality that views iraq as being a state that should be governed by the shiites. it's unacceptable to moderate sunnis, let alone to i.s.i.s.,

whose view is that shiites should be exterminated. there's not really common ground. >> if the appointment leads to the creation of a unity government in iraq, will kurdish leaders back away from the dream of an independent kurdish nation or will it not make a difference? >> it will not make a difference. the president announced that there'll be a referendum on an international kurdistan. a date will be set. a vote will be nearly unanimous. as you listen to american officials, european officials, there's a growing acceptance that an independent kurdistan is inevitable. a lot think it's desirable. the momentum is there. where it can make a difference is there could be increased military cooperation, and it

could resolve the financial dispute. four stopped paying the kurdistan share of the federal government should have been 17% in january over a dispute over oil revenues, leaving the kurd in a position to not have resources to take care of their people, but have 1 million refugees from iraq, without resources. baher mohamed has an opportunity to say now, let's set that aside. we'll deal with it later. over the broader questions of holding iraq together, he can't do it, because it can't be done. >> one thing that nouri al-maliki wasn't doing was giving weapons to the kurds that he should have been giving. the pentagon, the c.i.a. are talking about giving the kurds more weapons, so are european nations. have weapons arrived yet? well, on nouri al-maliki, after i.s.i.s. took over motorcycle you will and tikrit and theities

in the north, he closed kurdistan's air space because he didn't want the weapons. he intentionally left the kurdish peshmerga vulnerable at a time of peril. that's been released. u.s. weapons have been coming in the the french announced a sentence. the peshawar will be the only effective force. they can't role back i.s.i.s. they can defend kurdistan, and the yazidi. the u.n. says there's 150,000 refugees in the city lahuk. the situation is critical. there's hundreds of thousands in that province, almost as many live in the province, and more refugees in the kurd --

kurdistan. how do they cope? >> it is the safe haven. they run a tolerant society protecting all the people, yazidi, christians, sunnis and shi'ites. it's an enormous burden. imagine the governor, as you said, that the refugee population equals the indigenous population. this has not been gradual. it's sudden. at the same time baghdad cut off the money, not allowing the kurd to sell their open oiling giving them the revenue to handle the situation. this is what needs to be addressed immediately. it will be a test of whether hider al-abadi is prepared to bring the forces together, whether he resolves the financial dispute immediately.

if it drags on, it means he won't change the sectarian policies of nouri al-maliki. >> he'll be tested in many ways. good to see you. president obama and the pentagon say the refugee crisis improved. there are many voices in iraq say it's a problem. and air strikes continue on thursday. going forward, i'm joined from washington d.c. by rear-admiral john kirby. you told supporters we have been successful in handling the humanitarian crisis, and we heard these excepts from president obama. >> we do not expect an decisional operation to evacuate people off the mountain. it's unlikely we'll need to continue humanitarian air drops on the mountain. >> iraqi officials are concerned that the safety is not accurate. there could be as many as 15,000

trapped on the mountain. what do you know, what will you do to help. >> we believe the number is in the area of 4,000 to 5,000. that's based on very specific feedback that we got from app assessment team that went out to the mountain yesterday, as you know. we are confident in the number. we continue to see more than a thousand or so leave. that will probably get smaller as time goes on. i would tell you that we thing there's 1500 to 2,000. bottom line is we believe the situation is much improved than it was, and we'll continue to watch it. if we need to do continued humanitarian assistance, we will. right now we don't think it's likely. >> i.s.i.s. forces fired on the military helicopters flying rescue missions were concerns over enemy fire and u.s.

casualties a factor in deciding about the evacuation efforts? >> force protection is a consideration. in any military operation. certainly as we worked through options of a potential evacuation mission assisted by u.s. forces, that was a planning factor. it always is. as it turns out. due to the assistance we were act offer, that mission now doupt look likely -- doesn't look likely. we were prepared to deal with force protection issues, doesn't appear that we have to. >> this seems what probably was the most urgent humanitarian problem. the united nations declared the whole of iraq a level three emergency for humanitarian crisis, putting them in the company of syria, south sudan. does the pentagon agree with that. there are estimates there are millions displaced already in

iraq. >> we recognise that the situation in iraq from a humanitarian perexpective is difficult. we take heart in the fact that the situation is alive. doesn't mean we are taking our eye off the ball. thanks to the brutality of the i.s.i.l. we are working with other u.s. government agencies as well as international partners to look at options and address the suffering. >> what about the military options in the rest of iraq. the governor of anbar province, where so much fighting took place. fallujah was the first city that i.s.i.s. took over in joint enterprise. that is a city that was the scene of the worst battle for american troops during the iraq war. the governor said he asked for and secured u.s. support in a struggle against i.s.i.s. including the joint cooperation center. is that the case? >> i've seen the comments. i'm not aware of any such

commitments made in respect to anbar. what i can tell you is we have a joint operation center in baghdad, one in erbil. we continue to conduct airstricts in the north, to protect our people and facilities, and as i said hast of the strikes were to assist the refugees. i'm not aware of any such commitments in anbar. i have seen the comments. >> you bring up erbil and the kurds. reports on thursday that i.s.i.s. is on the move. they are massing near a town. looking to broaden the front against the kurds. will the u.s. expand air strikes to prevent the kurds if that happiness. >> air strikes are usually authorised for two purposes, and one is to protect u.s. personnel and facilities. there's one in erbil and baghdad, and alleviate suffering. that is the scope of the

authorities under which we are conducting air strikes. >> a former senior pentagon official, celeste, told the u.s. that: in tackling i.s.i.s., is there a lot of debate in the pentagon. >> there's no debate. the military follows the order of the commander-in-chief. they are clear. as they take the fight to i.s.i.s., in their country - that is their fight. to work with international partners to address the human tarian investigation, and number three it to prerkt u.s. personnel inside -- protect u.s.

personnel inside iraq. we have our orders, we are marching out. >> "the washington post" article says military and c.i.a. analyst believe there's no time to waste and there's not enough urgency to deal with what the german government called bloodthirsty extremists. i'd hate to put you in a position of evaluating extremists. do you feel there's urgency to deal with blood thirsty extremists, who have taken control of land, and who have expressed hate red of the united states. as a military man, i can tell you we share the same sense of purpose and urgency. we have intensified intelligence reconnaissance to the tune of 50-plus. we have an aircraft carrier moved into the central gulf. we have alleviated the

humanitarian suffering. we have helped defend u.s. personal and facilities through air strikes in the north. believe me, there's a sense of purpose and urgency. we understand the objectives, goals assigned and we are executing them. >> pleasure to have you on the showment thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> now for more stories from around the world. we begin in ukraine where government forces recaptured two towns from pro-russian separatists, including one close to the board are. two leaders resigned. the head of the people's republic, and the military leader of the donetsk people's republic who posted a tweet after malaysian airlines flight mh17 was shot down saying "we warned you do not fly in our sky", it was removed. the russian aid convoy on a

supposed humanitarian mission is now accompanied by heavy offensive military equipment. the ukranian government warned the convoy would be stopped by force, unless the cargo is inspected. next to cairo where four protesters were shot dead by jacob shapro security forces as they gather to mark the anniversary. more than 1,000 were killed after protesting the ousting of the mohamed mursi. the human rights watch released a report, accusing the egyptian government of crimes against humanity, urging the u.n. to investigate egyptian leaders for their role. >> next to north korea, pranities began his first papal visit to asia. north korea fired three rockets into the sea before his arriving. and launched two more. it didn't stop the pope calling for reconciliation.

the pope september a telegram to the president. extending blessings and best wishes. no pope had flown over china since the chinese denied airspace to pope john paul iu. the beijing government stopped some beijing catholics from seeing the pope. the wife of robin williams revealed that the late actor was battling the early stages of parkinson's, and expressed gratitude for the outpouring of love and respect since his passing. that is some of what is happening around the world. >> ahead, the new longer ceasefire between israel and gaza. we look at the backdoor negotiations trying to make the peace permanent. candle stick park is closing its

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israeli tanks were silent on gaza's borders. it was the beginning of a 5-day

ceasefire. in gaza city, palestinians used the break to enjoy a few days of a more normal life. israeli and palestinians negotiations have until monday to hammer out a deal. hamas is demanding on end to the blockade. and new facilities, including a functioning airport. i'm joined from jerusalem by a cofounder and chairman of the map who helped to net the release of gill at shilat after five years of imprisonment. good to have you with us. the israelis and the palestinians have five days to come up with a deal to end the war in gaza. is either side willing to make the concessions that would make a deal possible.

>> it's not a matter of making the concessions. both can make the concessions. we have a situation that both sides underestimated each other with regard to their intentions and abilities in fighting the war. we have a situation where there's no trust or reason for there to be trust between the sides. it will give each side the achievements that we want. we have a lose-lose situation. where both sides paid heavy prices for decisions made in going to the war. they are stuck in trying to figure out how to get out of it. both sides are ready for the war to end. >> how does israel negotiate with a palestinians. palestinian authorities told us that they speak for all palestinians, but one group of negotiators from cairo has gone back to the west bank, another

gone to see the political leader in qatar. how does that work? we received a phone call from a hamas leader in gaza, who told me that palestinian president mahmoud abbas speaks for them all, that the delegation negotiating in cairo, was netted by the head of delegation, negotiating with the egyptians and the israeli. the hamas people had no contact with the israelis, and the egyptian mediators contacted the hamas people not directly. if it's true that the people have, in fact, authorised mahmoud abbas to speak on their behalf. it's possible for his rail to negotiate directly. prime minister binyamin netanyahu, and president mahmoud abbas could meet tomorrow or

over the next three or four days and come to an agreement. and they will accept that agreement. >> i know you have argued that this is what israel should do. what about reports that hamas is divided. that michelle in qatar has different pps, differences of opinion with hamas leaders in gaza? >> i think it could be. there are a lot of internal arguments, power struggles within hamas, differences of opinion not only between the hamas leadership outside orred in, but within the hamas leadership inside. nonetheless, hamas had a difficult complex decision-making process. it seems to me that the war is in the phase of wait and see with a 5-day ceasefire, that the leadership came above ground, military fighters emerged and seen the damage in gaza, and the people on the streets are

telling hamas enough is enough. and the message is driven home, who could direct wars in gaza, where he doesn't pay the direct penalties of them. >> as you said, you were told by a hamas leader that mahmoud abbas does have the power no negotiate for hamas. we had erin david miller, and he argued that amas has the willingness, but not the power to go forward with a longer term, serious deal. and net already has the power and not the willingness. do you sow that as the case? >> that is part of the case. it's a little more complex. also, the situation changed in the past days, because we are seeing compromises out of cairo that i would have thought impossible a few days ago. hamas is not talking about a long-term deal, but a 5-year

ceasefire. i was told that they would agree to international inspection to ensure that they are not using building materials to come into gaza to reinstruct tunnels and bunkers, they'd agree to troops at the palestinian authority, all along the gaza israel border in the buffer zone. that they'd be willing to see the placement of palestinian authority troops. they are significant compromises. with regards to binyamin netanyahu, it's clear, that they have demonstrated the political will to move forward on a deal, which is what they really need, and would open the possibilities of regional security and stability between israel and its neighbours, including the palestinian authority. this is what we thu be doing, and binyamin netanyahu has not demonstrated the political will to do that. maybe they'll upped that the war opened up opportunities for his

rail that were not clearly identifiable before the war. >> a final question. you are a moderate guys, you have written that a compromise needs to include the end of hamas. >> well, i think what we need to do is allow the palestinians to choose their leadership. they need to go back to elections and determine who they want to lead them. i would hope that it would not be a hamas leadership. under conditions of stability and security for palestinians, and the declared intentions of israelis, that they would elect a moderate leadership leading to successful negotiations with israel. >> let's hope the longer termed truce leads to longer term compromise. pleasure to have you with us. >> coming up, should you know how much your co-worker make. will it make for a better or

worse work place. first from joe mon tana, willie mays, and the infamous earthquake world series campaign, candle stick has seep a lot. we a -- seen a lot. we say goodbye to candle stick park.

today's data dive looks at the end of an era, one of our oldest parks closes after 54 years. candle stick park cost about $50 million to build, about $123 million today. the marlon's park cost $600 million. fans picked the name in a contest. it was where candlestick birds were common. paul mccartney is a closing act, performing before a sell out act. they played their last commercial concert, years ago.

the promise of a stadium helped to lure the giants to move out west. they called it home in the 1960s. they played there for 40 years, hosting two world series, including two i take games, when the city was hit. the some timing of the game was credited with saving lives. a lot left early. >> the n.f.l. 49ers moved in. hosting seven nsc championship games, but loft the right to host a super bowl, when candle stick didn't make the renovations. the 49ers will move to the levi stadium this season. it's a trend with ageing ball parks. boston's fenway and rigly field are the -- wrigley field are the oldest. the n.f.l. has eight. the oldest soldier field, but it

underwent a new renovations that it's mostly new. >> atlanta's georgia dome, built in 1992 seems old. coming up, would your workplace be impressed if everywhere knew what the coworkers made. a tricky subject of salary transparency next.

would you like to know how much your co-workers get paid. a growing number of companies are adopting a number of salary transparency. some say it makes for a better work place. others argue it could breed

resent appointment. i spoke to jonathan tim, a freelance writer that wrote about this is subject. good of you to join us. why are companies choosing to have this transparency, and how does it work? >> one of the reasons companies are adopting policies like these, it creates a community of congeniality. people can buy into the place, it can lead to productivity or lower turn over, things like this. one of the ways that it works is one company uses a spreadsheet and show everywhere is paid by name. every position. other companies have a formula that they use, and if you are hear this many years or this level of experience, they'll have a certain amount of pay within a range. there's a variety of ways of doing it. >> al jazeera's "real money" spoke to a data analytics firm.

let's here him explain why they do it. >> i have never been in a company where salaries have not leaked out, causing damage. unfortunately i have acted in the past where i meet with a woman and a man, and they offer at different ratios, and you would take whatever they were looking for. you create damage in your salaries, and that will come back and haunt you. >> he makes $145,000 by the way. he claims that being open lead to lower turn over, is that the feeling. >> yes. david carter and other researchers found that when they showed a group of public employees how much they were making via a website, a lot of the lower paid employees feel resentful and indicated that they'd be likely to look for a job, and are less happy with the

current job. one of the things that happen when you have a transparent pay structure is that people can know what is going on, and you don't run into a fact that you don't like something about your compensation. >> you don't have surprises. the study found people below the median salary had issues and locked for other job. the people above were fine. >> that's right. so the question becomes was it fair of them to feel resentful or frustrated. is it the case that a secret pay structure allows an employer to pay someone. when people feel resent. about the case structure, it may indicate something wrong with the pay structure. it may not, but in other cases it does. by making the pay transparent it's felt they may avoid the participation conflict. >> one size does not if the all. that's a problem here. >> that's correct.

having a transparent pay structure doesn't mean you have everyone paid the same thing, paid transparency isn't pay equality. if you have two years of experience you'll have a certain amount. if you have four, you'll have a little more. people are aware there's a system in place they can get beyond. you covered another annigle, whh is that pay transpersons could could lead to pay differences between me and woman. >> that's right. you can pay the employees on arbitrary baseses like race and sex. people of colour paid less. it's possible when you know that the employees are not going to talk to each other about it and find out. whole foods, the grocery store has done this since 1986. some colleges do it. the yates do it.

it's done in the public sector, which is not necessarily something that, you know, that recommendation for doing this. where do you think this is headed in the future? >> it seems to be that certain small tech companies, and a company named buffer are starting to lead the charge in terms of reframing how we conceive of the work structure. how we should think about examination and how to reality to each other. and more are going in the way of transparency. and more are getting comfortable things to the internet and social media and glass door.com allowing them to go online and look at a company to see how much people are being paid. >> thank you, a pleasure to have you with us. it's a germinational shift. that is all this friday. former islamic extremist turned

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