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one died. this calms community and family concerns over coverup or not being told the truth. many several things are found on day one of the autopsy, as you know on other sudden deat deaths of gun wounds, stab wounds, the autopsy comes out and answers these questions. how many wounds and did my loved one suffer? we can answer those questions on day one of the injury. when there is damage to the brain, bullet to the brain, that causes immediate loss much consciousness, telling that to family can be helpful at a
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trying time for families. that's why we were called. i must say when we were called they say they had been trying to get the fbi, the federal government involved without success at that time. that's why they wanted me to come in, and shortly after we started the autopsy--whoops, channel 5, i'm sorry. after we started the autopsy it was announced that they were going to order another autopsy, which is fine. it shows the interest and concern that the federal government has in this kind of death, and you are all here because many black men die of accident, of homicide, every day in this country, and really and never as i recall had the president united states gotten involved. the only other time a president
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was involved was when charles manson did his thing. you guys were not born during those times, and he was very upset with it. but not for civil rights. everything is very understanding. i want to add mary chase is the medical examiner here i in the county, i'm sure her work will turn out very excellent when it's released. it has not been released yet. the family wants to know certain, simple questions that we've been able to answer. shawn parcels has been instrumental in the autopsy evaluation. i don't know if you want to point out anything on the anatomy of the gunshot wounds that beautiful drawing.
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>> first of all i'm' professor shawn parcels, and i would like to thank everyone for bringing me into this case. we're here for the family to answer questions about what happened to michael brown. i want you to understand that when an autopsy is done, that we look at the body in an tomorrowca anatomical position. this is an anatomical position. this is not how we constant or how we walk, but we like to describe wounds this way. we concluded that he was shot at least six times. we have one at the top of the head the apex. we have one that entered just above the right eyebrow. we have one that entered the top part of the right arm. we've got a graze wound, a
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superficial graze wound to the middle part of the right arm. we have a wound that entered the medial aspect of the right arm, and we've got a deep graze wound that produced a laceration to the palm of the right hand. now these two where the xs are represents what we feel are possible re-entry wounds. so the wound that hit the forehead right above the right high brow actually came out right around the right eye and went back in and exited again right here at the jaw line and came back in to the shoulder. that's from one bullet. we have to confer that with the
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first autopsy. this wound right here to the side of the chest is also a possible re-entry wound. which wound on the arm that correlates to i'm not sure. we'll have to correlate this with the first autopsy. one other critical point that i want everyone to be clear on is that this wound to the medial aspect of the right arm just generally speaking happened right about here, okay? so what we feel occurred, and by the way this red mark is showing that same wound. this is not a separate wound. this is showing the same wound in the same location in that arm, but you're looking at it from the back. and as the attorneys were saying there was a witness statement that said he was walking away and the gun goes off and he kind
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of jerks, so the question asked of us was could a wound occur from him walking away and then he turns around. it's consistent with that. however, understand, too, that while the shot could have come from the back, as i'm standing here walking long and get shot from that direction, see, i pull my arm up in that same general area, the arm is a very mobile part of the body. it could also have occurred when he was putting his hands up. i put my hands up, and you see where that wound at. it could have happened when he puts his arms up in a defensive manner. we don't know. we still have to look at other aspects of this investigation before we can start piecing things together. doctor? >> yes, the attorneys behind me thought that there might an question among you.
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we're here to see-- >> are any of these wounds inconsistent with the witness accounts that michael brown was shot while rushing the police officer? >> they could be consistent with th going forward or going backwards. but going forward he would have collapsed right away. the problem--yes, so it's possible. there are a number of different possibilities to that. >> can you tell how far away. >> yes, the question was how far away, yes, we can tell certain distance. we can tell the distance from the muzzle of the gun to the body and the body's clothing. if there is--the closer the weapon is to the body the more
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powder residue there will be on the body and skin and clothing. in this instance no gunshot residue on the skin surface so that the muzzle of the gun was at least one or two feet away, the muzzle at the time of discharge. it could have been 30 feet away, it would be the same thing. in order to be firm about that we need to look at the clothing, which we have not had the opportunity to look at because sometimes the filter out gunshot residues. >> doctor, can you tell the time he was actually shot? >> there are six bullets that struck him. six bullets struck and two may have reentered, and three bullets were recovered in the first autopsy according to our reports. the two head wounds and the bullet in the chest stayed in the body, and were removed at the first autopsy from our examination of the body. one of the things that is going
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to be important for us to see is the x-rays. the old black and white x-rays that will show where the bullets were before the autopsy was started. that's documented in spra x-rays taken before an autopsy takes place. [ inaudible question ] >> i spoke with dr. mary chase, and they did all the proper x-rays, photographs, and they should be able at some time whether today or three or four months from now, often depends on what the prosecutor wants to do. as mary case could tell you everything that i'm telling you on day one, but often in an investigation like this it's not
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uncommon for prosecutors to not want information released, but i think in my experience when that happens it only gets the community more upset. >> i have a question. >> are you with the media? >> i'm not. >> only the media. >> are there any signs of any struggle? >> are there any signs of any struggle. >> two things. i think at some point we should--the defense should have access to the clothing. the clothe something now from dr. case's advice, is in the los angeles--st. louis county police normally, they would be looking at it. it's up to them when the defen defense--not defense, but
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families will have access to it. so at some time there will be access to it, and the results. as far as the other part of the question, it was--any signs of a struggle? there weren't signs of a struggle. in talking about a struggle one of the things that the attorneys also asked for is the medical examination of the officer who was in the struggle. signs, injury to the officer, to michael brown are both needed. one thing is that there are abrasions around the right side of mr. brown's face, rubbing against the ground, which happen as best we can tell when after the gunshot wounds he fell flat down unprotected and got those
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abrasions. otherwise no evidence of a struggle, and it will be important in evaluation of the case for the medical examiner, the fbi, for the defense--for the family to see what happened to the officer. over here. >> after the autopsy takes place, how long-- >> the first autopsy was at the county medical examiner. the second one was at the arthur lane funeral home where the body was delivered for burial, and we did that in the office. it was a three- to four-hour r re-autopsy.
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>> inaudible question. >> my impression after 50 years of this, it will be similar. i think they're available now. the autopsy records are available now. when it will be released will probably be up to the prosecutor. >> can you talk to us more about-- >> well, the autopsy itself consistent with police and witness--there are many witness testimonies.
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we can't make a definite judgment. now witnesses who have been interviewed may seem more impressed with some witness who is are more trustworthy than others. juries do this, they determine who is telling the truth, lawyers do this all the time. now from the scientist's point of view we can't determine which witness, and there are all different kinds of observations made, is most consistent with all the forensic findings. >> doctor, you mentioned transparency.
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>> this is a judgment based on, this is one of the things that the family was concerned about, even though we know when an autopsy is done, when any autopsy is done that you guys go to, 95% of the information is available right away. stab wounds, gunshot wounds. toxicology which may be of value but don't determine cause of death. whether or not th the desee departmenthe decedent has co-cocaine on board but has nothing to do with cause of death. my impression like in most medical examiner's office when the occupation is completed the medical examiner can release it or most of it pending the
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prosecutors wishes. the prosecutor says that will interfere with our investigation, then medical examiners hold up and the families may not know for weeks and months the kinds of questions we're talking about. >> two more. >> can you speak late on what were the wounds. >> i don't think we can--we cannot speculate except order of gunshot wounds. forensically that's impossible. however, dr. baden and i feel because of the two gunshot wounds to the head indicating that about brown was coming down, those two shots were likely the last two to occur to him. >> that's about as far as we can go. >> how about toxicology. >> the toxicology results have to be done by the medical examiner at the first autopsy. they get the blood and
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everything out. second autopsy, no more blood, and there's been embalming fluids, etc. we have to wait for the medical examiner. it depends on how quickly if they're rushed. the toxicology should be able to be done in a week or two, but oftentimes it gets on the end of the line of all the other cases they're dealing with, and it may take months, but that should be available, especially with your concern and the president's concern, it should be available very soon. >> well, we have a feeling that toxicology report like other things will be released to you sooner than later. there was one question from a non-press person. we'll let you ask, yes, ma'am. >> before--i'm assuming he
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could have survived. >> yes, that's good. i should have mentioned something. all of these gunshot wounds were survivable except for the one in the top of the head that went through the brain. >> with that being said, and all of us here know what happened to michael, why hasn't--the officer wilson been arrested? [applause] >> who gets arrested is a political district attorney decision and it's not a forensic science decision for good or for bad. >> thank you.
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>> the family would rather as they stated all along that this whole process be done independent of local law enforcement authorities because they are concerned that the ki killer of their child won't be held accountable and brought to justice. thank you. >> you've been watching the conference by the family of michael brown, he being the 18-year-old who was shot and killed in ferguson, month m exactly one week tea touching off protests and silver disturbances on the streets, six of the seven nights in which have followed the shooting. the primary person you're seeing right there is dr. michael baden. he served as medical examiner in new york in 1978 and 79. he is a well-known figure testifying in the o.j. simpson case, and clause von bulo.
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there was no sign of a struggle. you see him pointing here to the wound probably kill shot, meaning that was the shot that killed michael brown. he said of the other wounds there were six in all. he believed that they were recoverable as opposed to that particular shot. fix shots from fired, three of those recovered and there were two re-entry wounds. this news conference is being closely watched right now in ferguson, missouri. that's where natasha is right now. even as this news conference would unfold i understand there was street disturbances behind you. >> reporter: what a difference between yesterday and today. it is very volatile here. since we arrived early this morning at 6:00 a.m. protesters have been lingering and they're very angry, very angry at the
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police. very angry at us. i'm in this parking lot where last week, jose, do you want to fall me, this was burned down, so this area has become a place where people congregate during the day, at night. we've seen people drinking and smoking pot. if you look there is decent-sized presence of police and there are still a sizable number of protesters. the protesters have been extremely volatile. in addition to defying police orders to disperse they've been sparing verbally with police. i actually heard a disturbing encounter, reverend jesse jackson stopped by and protesters were yelling at him. if you take a look, since state troopers have asked people to disperse people remain. there is a real level of hostility. it's palpable. we can feel it ourselves. there is a real dispute going on between the narrative of what
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the police is saying transpired last night and what they say happened. they say there appears to be a series of premedicated and coordinated acts of violence. i'm paraphrasing the words of captain ron johnson. he said there was shooting, looting and molotov cocktails thrown at police officers. he said shots were fired at police officers. two to three people were shot. we don't know their condition, but the captain johnson mentioned as one man was shot there were reports of people shooting back at police. we were at a m mcdonald's this morning. the front window was shattered. this was another flash point. police say that a crowd gathered at the mcdonald's. theyover ran the employees, forcing employees to hide inside of a storage unit. the police say at the mcdonald's protesters established t barricades and
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molotov cocktails were thrown. now protesters were adamant that they were peaceful. they're very upset many have hoarse forces after finding themselves in tear gas. one woman pulled down her pants with shorts underneath showing a bruise that she said came from a rubber bullet. a member of the new black panther said they organized the protest last night. they say the protest was staggered, there were a lot of women and children in the midst of the protest. as people progressed down this main street that they had already been checking people for weapons. he insists there were no weapons, but i spoke to one of our photo journalists who were in the thick of it, he said last night in terms of the tear gas and chaos, he said it was one of the worst nights there has been.
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he saw pockets of troublemakers. that's the narrative coming from the police. they are saying that they understand that the vast majority of protesters were peaceful but there were a small number of people causing problems. the group was out on the streets picking up garbage from the night before. the mayor felt that the troublemakers were not even from ferguson. if he talk to people who live here, they are very upset about what is going on. today was supposed to be the first day of school. at an unity rally at a church, i spoke to a number of kids who say despite the tension here in ferguson and despite the problems from michael brown's shooting, they said they were excited to go to school. but because the police could not insure the safety of kids walking to school and on school buses the police told them to
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stay home. >> natasha live on the scene in ferguson, missouri. we should point out that the governor has deployed the national guard. they will be patrolling the streets tonight calling for calm. the schools have been closed for the day. this is not the first day that they have been closed and parents have been forced to scramble to make arrangements for their children. i want to play the first sound from the attorney representing the family. take a listen. >> it verifies that the witness accounts were true, that he was shot multiple times, and it's going to be one of those things that we have to get all the witness statements out and look at all the autopsies, all the evidence to put this picture together. >> and you heard michael baden, the forensic forensic saying this is not a new coincidence in
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the united states. take a liv listen. >> you're all here because many black men die of accident, of homicide, every day in this country. and rarely and never as far as i recall has the president of the united states gotten involved. >> and as for the president, he will be talking to the attorney general later today. the bottom line from the news conference, that the occupation, the preliminary occupation by the family is consistent with what the witnesses are saying, that is that michael brown may have been, this is qualified with a may have been raising his arms to surrender in the final shot and the final shot was the kill shot. of all the other shots there is a possibility that michael brown might have survived, but that was not the case. more on the story wa as it
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