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>> national guard troops are moving in. >> looting, attacking police. iraq. >> air strikes helping iraqi and kurdish troops regain control of the mosul dam. >> hamas and israel extend the ceasefire for another 24 hours. >> gaza needs hospitals, houses and schools. not concrete and rockets. >> it's the same story - floods, landslides. >> we begin with the latest on the streets of mississippi. governor jay nixon lifted a curfew, hoping it would restore peace after some conflicts following the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown by a white policeman. nim called up elements of the missouri's nard rsh, and state

captain ron johnson told reporters while peaceful protests would be allowed... >> we will not allow criminal elements to impact the safety and security of this community. >> meanwhile an independent autopsy requested by michael brown's family explained part of what happened the day of the shooting. . >> six bullets struck. two may have re-entered. struggle. >> in washington president obama met with attorney-general holder calm. >> giving in to the anger by looting, carrying guns and attacking the police serves to raise tensions and stir chaos. it undermines rather than advancing justice. >> for more on crowd control and keeping violence off the streets of ferguson, i'm joined by

bernard parks, who served as los angeles police chief from 1997 to 2002 and is a member of the los angeles city council, serving the eighth district. a pleasure to have you us. >> we have seen several nights of the ugly violence. the curfew has been lifted by governor jay nixon, and brought in the national guard as backup. is that a wise move? >> i think what the community, what i sense is that there has been so many dramatic changes from an argument or concern about the mechanisation of policing to a curfew. that has gone now. the national guard - there's got to be a consistency in how the city will address those issues. >> mechanizing, militarizing. we have seen a lot of criticism of ferguson police for doing that, having the overwhelming

response for the protest. armoured vehicles, officers in military gear with weapons, were critics correct when they suggested that that response inflamed the situation. >> depend on how you use the equipment, it's not a danger in itself, it's how it's used. and what we see in l.a. with using that equipment or some of it, you load it, and only bring it in when necessary. i think that, you know, you can't criticise them for wearing their vest and helmet. people are throwing firebombs. the issue of what benefit the armoured weapons trucks are, will play out in the long term, in that you have to use them, and it shouldn't be a show of force for no benefit. it should be to reduce the level of violence in the community, it's something you have to play by ear. there's no set guidelines.

we have to realise that criticising and talking about the kind of vehicles is really taking the argument and discussion off the main point. the main point is a thorough investigation to find out was force legally or illegally used against the victim. the other issue is for day-to-day activities, to move the law violators out of a crowd, so that those that want to be peaceful can demonstrate, and the rest of the community and business people will not be harmed by their property being damaged or that they become injured. those are the two main focuses, most everything else should be on the periphery until you resolve the major moints. >> to your first point about the investigation. what about the ways that the ferguson department handled that.

it took 10 days to see how many bullets hit brown. it took a week to get the shooting officer's name. emphasise released at the same time the tape of the robe commit was released. that was a tape they had for days. has the department fuelled the fire by not giving us more details more quickly about the investigation. >> you have to make a judgment about the thoroughness. the worst thing the department or anyone can do. when we get the autopsy report, the only thing we know of that we didn't know at the time he was deceased is the number of shots. gunfire. the other issue is the toxicology, and the comparison of the autopsy to the physical investigation is not done. basically the forensic scientists said he cannot make

an authoro judgment or a final judgment on anything that is in the preliminary report. until he can compare it with the evidence from the scene. it may have caused more questions than it aped. but the push to get information so quickly just, in my judgment creates another volley of information about dealing with rumours, and things of that nature, which constantly is something which feels the air waves, but doesn't solve the problem of getting to the point property. >> you were disputy chief during the rodney king riots in los angeles, a police officer in the watch riot in 1965. you have seen some of the worst in american cities. gip what you have learnt about handling the crowds, what is

your advice from the officers in ferguson. >> we learnt a great deal. you can't allow a riot to go unabated and believing it will burn itself out. because it will burp the city -- burn the city. we learn in the rodney king incident that there has to be more attention paid to the tenure of the community prior to an explosive event, and we learnt after the trial was over that we have to be more sensitive to deploy resources and contemplation of an outburst, they are the things you learn and find are hurtful in the sense of property damage and loss of life. there's no formula that allows you to know what to do in every incident. you are deploys your resources, putting them in place and hope that they serve the community,

you have to be careful of not overdeploying or using equipment and resources so block the public. they'll sense, as it relates to your activities, whether - how you are going to handle something. you can't have, what i thing you have seen in ferguson, where every day there's a new strategy. the public will sense indecision and will act accordingly. >> a lot of important point you make. los angeles council member parks pleasure to have you with us. >> let's go to the streets of ferguson, missouri. robert ray - good to see you, are the streets tense? what is the mood like tonight? - - - pash >> it has been peaceful. protesters have been coming up

and down the street, about the past four hours. the national guard is up at the command center waiting to be deployed in case the peaceful protest goes awry. there has been a few arrests, there has been a major journalist, photographer arrested i don't recall today. things are quiet. happening. >> were people surprised that the curfew was listed. has that diffused things a little bit. >> i think there was surprise that the curfew was listed. we are not sure how late people will be out here tonight. yesterday this went down, some of the back and forth between the police and protesters went down about 8:30, 9 o'clock. here we are past that. things are good. the nart is at the command center and that's where they are

supposed to stay. is that still the plan? >> they are at the command center. last night a few protesters infringed on the center. that's the reason they were called in. it will have to get nasty for them to come out. there's a lot of police presence, an officer behind me. the guys have bat sticks out, the cuffs, and a lot of people out here have these. we hope not to use these, the gas masks. a lot of folks were hit pretty bad with it, and some of the citizens have gone to army navy stores in case it occurs again. >> it's difficult to think about the things that could happen. a volatile situation. >> appreciate you joining thanks. >> now for more on the autopsy relation,

i'm joined from indiana. dr carter, good to have you with us. a lot of people hoped the autopsy by the well-known colleague of yours, dr michael bayden would clear up the misties surrounding the shooting here is what he said about whether the gup shot showed brown was running towards or away from plifr darren wilson when he fired. >> it could be consistent with his going forward or backward, but they are from the front. if it was shot going forward, he would collapse right away. it's possible. there's a number of different possibilities. >> why is it so difficult to determine what happened in this era of csa, people thinking that you guys condition figure everything out. lots of witnesses say brown had his arms up in surrender. do we not yet know? >> we don't know that.

this proves the autopsy by itself does not always determine what happened. it will be important to look at the various statements, seeing photographs, the appearance of the body. we have different services and bodies cap be in motion when they are injured by gun fire. it will be important to have a look at the victim's body. the scope, the police cruiser, and most important, the uniform of the police officer would be important as well. >> it is important because we have conflicting stories, and we have heard from a friend of darren wilson. she said that will sn's version was that michael brown attacked him in his car. and when brown started to walk away officer wilson got out of the carteling him to freeze.

then wilson's friend said on the radio that brown did this: >> do you think the forensics will be able to help us sort out which of the stories is true? >> that's the main trust for doing the autopsy. we can't provide 100% of the answers. they'll be analysed and it's difficult when you do a second autopsy, you don't have all the information, the way the body was presented, the clothing at hand, and so you are kind of working half blindsided. as dr biden said, he didn't have the x-rays or all of the original information.

somehow you need to put the autopsies toot. if there's a third one, looking at everything, as well as the crime lab evidence gathered from the scope, the body, from the officer's clothing and the witness statements to come up with a scenario that is consistent to explain the wound and how they could occur. >> this is what dr baden had to say about the clothing. >> there's no gunshot residues on the skin surface. so that the muzzle of the gun was one or two feet away. in order to be firm about that, we have to look at the clothing which we haven't had the opportunity to look at. sometimes the clothing can filter out gunshot residues. >> why is distance such an important factor? >> well, as we've heard the stories, that there might have

been a gunshot fired off within the vehicle, and also that both the victim and a perpetrator were close enough to have, perhaps, physical contact. if you are in close proximity we would be looking for evidence of gun poureder, soot or unburnt gunpowder embedded into the skin of the victim, and gun powder on the uniform of the officer, telling you that they were, indeed, in close proximity, and looking for evidence of gup fire within that vehicle. >> the st louis county medical officer performed an autopsy, dr michael bayden performed his. and now a third autopsy, scheduled to be performed by medical examiners at the pentagon. would you be surprised if all results. >> not at all.

you are doing an autopsy that has been examined. you have different people with different training methods doing the xam nations, and they are probably not communicating with one another. each commission may tell you something a little clifferent. >> according to the reports on monday, the county autopsy showed that michael brown had marijuana in his system. besides, you know marking him as someone who might use drugs, does that serve any purpose, i think, in conventional wisdoming saying that marijuana would make it less likely for someone to be violence. >> a complete autopsy has to have toxicology, particularly in a case like this. i am sure, someone looking into michael brown's background, before, interaction of other people. it's good to roll out that he does not have strong drugs in his system.

that may be looked at at him being aggressive or not. marijuana is common. it is good to have the aspect. >> so many questions. thank you for helping us clarify what you can. >> coming up, the u.s. increases air strikes against the islamic state, helping kurdish and iraqi forces retake a critical dam. a former official says president obama is being advised on iraq by the wrong group of people. >> is the terrorism threat in the middle east so great that we need to name the first 5-star general since world war ii to oversee the stuart! stuart!

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on what is a humanitarian mission, allowing kurdish and iraqi forces to recapture the mosul dam from the is fighters, the biggest setback for the insurgents. as president obama returned to the white house on monday, members of the his own party say more needs to be done. >> if our mission is not to take out the islamic extremists, threatening and waging war against us, we have a problem. >> joining us from dubai is ali kaderi, the longest continually serving assistant in iraq, an assistant to five u.s. ambassadors, and senior advisor to three commanders. ali, good to have you with us. did you expect the expanded bombing by the u.s., now that it seems the iraqis will be able to form a new government with prime minister haider al-abadi, as

opposed to his predecessor, nouri al-maliki. >> it's a good step that the obama administration is recognising what a threat is is to international security. three years after allowing asaad's genocide to continue unabated, really the continues that allowed i.s.i.s. to be created, recognising that it didn't exist three years ago, and after watching for months, entering iraq, seize a third of the territory and gain control over the mosul dam, i'm encouraged that the administration is understanding the threat of iraq and i.s.i.s. and confront it with kurdish allies and others. >> you wrote that haider al-abadi is iraq's last chaps, that sectarian politics is turning iraq into lebanon o

siberia, and the hollowing out of iraq - you don't sound hopeful for haider al-abadi, even if he begins a campaign of national reconciliation. >> right. a concern i had for months and years, is americans under president bush and obama are willing to bet and stake our international security on individuals. leadership is important. the prime minister represents an change, but as i outlined in the new york times peace, the problems go beyond haider al-abadi. if you were to install a wonderful leader like nelson mandela, i'm not sure that he could overcome systematic failures within the iraqi political system because of the entrenched sectarianism and corruption, and the interference

of powers like iran, to weaken control. we had -- under tehran's control. we had two former ambassadors to iraq on the shot. both have been critical of the administration. the president took a break from vacation to meet with the security council about iraq. you wrote that the national security staff sa part of the problem -- staff is part of the problem. most don't speak the language, and you quote a white house staffer that say: you call that inexcusable. >> absolutely, i watched the coverage of the president returning from martha's vineyard and meeting with the president in the roosevelt room in the white house. from the people pictured around the table. not one speaks arabic, not one served in iraq, not a single one of them served in the middle east. i am extremely

troubled by the this. having sat in on national security council meetings in the past. i know what issues are discussed. i know how serious the matters can be, and are right now. and frankly it troubles me that the president is getting advice from some well-meaning, very patriotic and hardworking men and women, but none have served in iraq. and that is troubling. >> now, you also ask do iraqis want to live with one another. and ambassador, who has been an advisor to the kurds, talked to us and he seemed to think no, the division between shiites, sunnis and kurds will split up the country and talking about the kurds, he thinks the kurd will move on to have their own independent state. >> i know ambassador galbraith well, he advised the kurds

during constitutional negotiations. he's right. again, the rule under saddam hussein from the 19 '70s, '80s, and '90s, left nouri al-maliki with a legacy. this is why i believe, really, we are facing iraq's last chance to hold together as a unitary stake. either iraqi leaders and citizens from all three communities adopt truth, reconciliation, forgiving and forgetting what happened and moving on, or as is likely to be the case, they'll be unable to get over the abuse of the shias and kurds, the sunnis will be unable to forgive the shia abuses over the past 8-9 years, and the kurds will, indeed, decide that they want no part of arab iraq, and will most likely, although not with certainty,

most likely will move to either adopt a confederal system, where they have full autonomy, or at the end of it they may just, after a referendum declare independence and move to a separate country. >> the quick final question, you say the sunnis are upset with the u.s., because the u.s. waited to get involved until the yazidi and the kurds were threatened, and you call for more u.s. involvement. >> it's a complicated issue, it's not only the sunnis that are upset. it's the regional allies are upset which the lack of engagement in iraq, and leading a vacuum by iran filled, and now the shia in baghdad led by nouri al-maliki's government, are upset for failing to defend kurdistan, but not baghdad when besieged by i.s.i.s. it's complicated and for that

reason, in addition to the fact that the problems are spilling into other neighbours, like lebanon and syria, and kuwait in the future, it's for that reason i believe preserving middle eastern security in syria, that's why we need a middle east tsar in the form of a 5-star general, a modern day dwight eisenhower. it could turn into a region at matter, global oil stake. a pleasure to have you joining us. thank you. >> thank you for having me. for more we are joined from washington d.c. by david cal cullen, an advisor to condoll ease yes rice and pet ray us. he is the author of "out of the mount inns, the coming age of

the urban guerilla", we heard from a former u.s. advisor in iraq that says the u.s. must get more engaged in the point of a 5-star general to become a tsar, to protect american interests abroad and here at home from terrorists. i know i argued that western strategy is in disarray. would an american tsar help. >> it couldn't hurt. it won't solve the problem on its own. we have to recognise that assistance the beginning of this summer, the end of may, the entirety of western strategy in what used to be called the war on terrorism, the approach since 9/11, has fallen down around our ears. what we need to do is have a deeper and broader reassessment of what is going on, and what we can do about it. if we get that right, appointing

someone becomes a viable option. if we don't, you can appoint the best person in the world and it will not make a difference. >> let's get into the details. the president expanded air strikes against is. it helped curd and mentorses retake the dam. the president said on monday that our involvement is limited. is that enough to get rid of is. which and you others called the greatest global threats. >> it is, and is approaching levels before. it's a pretty serious threat. i think if you look at the way the president has been interpreting the mandate that he's had for the past week or so, since the beginning of air strikes, it's broad and it's doing a lot within the scope of this idea of humanitarian and... interest.

>> that's a broad brush that could be used for a variety of things. the question is whether he'll feel committed enough and maintain a sustained enough level of interest to do what needs to be done to set back is. which i think would look a lot like kosovo or libya or the beginning of the war in afghanistan, 2001. >> not reinvading or reoccupying iraq, but pretty significant. >> what about mission green. american opinions changed about the u.s. responsibility to respond to u.s. violence in iraq. a pew poll found: president obama was asked about that and he said this. >> our goal is to have effective partners on the ground. if we have effective partners on

the ground, mission creep is less likely. >> now, i now you argued that mission creep happened, he's gone further than he said he would. i realise you think he should go further. do you think more, greater u.s. involvement, some democrats are calling for that. i think what the president said is perfectly true. we need to have a viable partner on the ground. the point is that it will take three, four months to get the iraqi and the kuds to a point where they are in a viable state where they can push back is on the ground. in that time there'll be a need for sustained air strikes to hold is back and begin the process of holding them back. it won't be a surgical matter of pilots above a clean landscape.

it'll be about specialists on the ground, advisors and trainers, and it's a significant commitment. >> general michael flynn said islamic terrorists groups are met asitiesizing, almost doubling in numbers. some of the groups are talking about combining with is, which power. >> it has brought western strategy unstuck. the eclipse, the fact that it's replaced by the islamic state. the rise of the islamic state itself as a much more capable and more organised state-like entity, but the third is the failure of the arab spring to generate a stable governance change. those three taken together basically created a new

situation which there's no precedent for, and if we don't consider very broadly what to do, then the chances are that we'll look back and realise the last 14 years since fch, and all the -- 9/11, and all the lives lost were for nothing. >> i know your concern about the split from ist s and al-qaeda -- is, and al qaeda, and the withdrawal from afghanistan, if not done properly can lead to problems. thank you for joining us. >> now for more stories from around the world. >> we begin in london, where wikipedia founder julian assange said he'll soon leave the ecuadorian embassy, where he has spent the last two years of his listen. he is considering leaving the issues.

>> as you can imagine, being detained in various ways in this country without charge for four years and in this embassy for two years, which has no outside area, therefore no sunlight, it is an environment in which any healthy person would find themselves soon difficulties. >> julian assange refused to leave the embassy out promises that the u.k. and sweden will not extradite him to the united states, to face questions in connection with chelsea manning's wikipedia disclosure. >> next health officials concerned about ebola, 17 patients with ebola went missing after a quarantine center was

attacked. looters sold mat riss and sheets soaked with blood and fluid. the poor neighbourhood is populated with 50,000 people. liberia's health minister called the attack and looting one of the stupidest thing he has seen. >> we end near the border where mon sons caused flooding on a massive scale, killing hundreds, leaving tens of thousands homeless. 200 villages were flooded and thousands of acres of farm land have been washed away. >> 10,000 people were evacuated from shelters. 11 villages were isolated from floods cut off. that is some of what is happening around the world. >> straight ahead. another extension of the ceasefire may not necessarily be a good sign. while the u.s. has no official language, most speak english in public.

the languages spoken at home are di., a story -- different story. >> have you read an article and thought it was real, and do you care? facebook does, it has a plan to make sure it doesn't happen again. harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories on the web. what is trending. >> this is trending. the sci and cyber security experts warn there's not enough safeguards to protect health records. personal data from millions of patients across the u.s. has been stolen. and if you miss the discussion we have check out the social media pages: >> on the stream, >> comedic legend mel brooks and native american performers the 1491's, show us how they use edgy culture satire to confront serious issues. the stream on al jazeera america

the end of the 5-day ceasefire expired on monday, not before netters dread to ex -- negotiators agreed to extend it by 24 hours to give more time. it was seen as a sign the two sides might be close to a deal officially both are far apart, with one egyptian official

saying there was no progress in the past 24 hours. meanwhile israeli troops demolished the homes of two palestinians expected in the abduction and killing in juan. and sealed up the home of a third. joining us from washington is greg and the digital editor for news and he reported from jerusalem, and is the co-author of this burning land. lessons from the front line of the transformed contact. >> good to have you back on the show. what should we read into the fact that we should only read. both sides are a little exhausted and don't want to fight any more. >> there were reports that a

long-deal was closed, crossing under the pallian authority be open. fishing terms be extended. realistic. >> that would be a successful outcome, but it sounds look that would be a stretch. the israelis will show, or binyamin netanyahu, the prime minister, feels that he will have to show that they gained something from the fight. and that would mean demilitarizing hamas, which is probably also unrealistic. but shows something other than making concessions to hamas. i'm not sure why the israelis would be willing to buy into this. >> what would israel get in exchange. if the palestinian authority was in charge of the gaza crossings, if they were taking more authority in gaza as opposed to hamas, do you think that would be appealing to the israelis? >> potentially.

part of the israelis, it would be a significant development. to me that's perhaps an important thing that can come out of this, as if the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas, the fatah, leader in the west bank can re-establish a foothold in gaza. it may be something like controlling the crossing. it may not be a full reintegration. if me can establish the palestinian authority, that would be a significant development, and something appealing to israel in the sense that they are not facing hamas. binyamin netanyahu did tough talking on sunday night br a cabinet meeting. let's listen to that. >> translation: if hamas thinks it can compensate for military defeat with diplomatic gapes, it is smap. if hamas thinks through firing it will cause us to make concessions, it is smap. >> one element of

longer termed discussions involves a port in gaza, a hard line said allowing a report is again to opening a duty free store. one of the things that is so disheartening for anyone watching the conflict is if you go back to 2000, the palestinians had an airport in gaza. they were flying their own planes to europe. the fishermen could go 12 miles off the coast. every day there was a rush hour, thousands of gazan men went into israel, they came back in the oo evening. they made an industrial center. factories owned by israel, palestinian workers. to see the two sides trying to negotiate things they had 15 years ago is, i think, very disheartening if you are looking at this in the longer term. >> you argued in your book,

looking at it in the broader picture, that in the end clear, decisive victories are for other times, both sides have a stake in keeping the conflict going, rather than negotiating a long-term solution, are you more optimistic now than when you wrote the book. >> not particularly. one of the things that struck us is how in many ways the conflict was getting more difficult to solve, rather than easier. going back to 2000, where some of the practical issues, in terms of palestinian movement and people going across crossing points, airports and the possibility of ports, we have gone backwards to the palestinians trying to win minimal right to import the basic necessities, and not anything that a functioning stayed would need depressing to hear the news out of that part of world. let's hope thinks improve.

it's a pleasure to have you back on the show. >> time to see what is trending on the web. >> we discussed the health industry and it being susceptible to attacks. >> the criminal elements value the health record because there's so much information in there. it's so rich. they can create a strong identity, false identity. a credit card can be turned off with a call to 1800, i lost my credit card. >> on monday the ian thet call situation became reality. community health systems operating 200 hospitals in 29 states announced chinese hackers stole data from the records of 4.5 million patients. they obtained names, social security, birthday said and telephone numbers.

rich information that can be used to open bank accounts and credit cards. fortunately she didn't get clinical histories. so far the investigators determined use. in the meantime, the health network is offering identity protection for those affected. >> coming up, facebook decides that it needs to warn you about articles that are satire. do we need them to baby sit us. is it ruining the joke. how many people speaking other languages at home and in the u.s. which are soaring in popularity

today's data dive is speaking your language.

even though language is not designated america's official language, it's what most of us speak in public. for more than one in five, it's not the primary language at home. 60.6 million in the u.s. speak something else with their families. spanish, including spanish creole is the most dominant. second, indoe europe languages. asian pacific. the number of people speaking languages speaking has tripled from 23.1 million in 1980 to the 60 million plus today. spanish increased the most by 26 million. vietnamese people had the biggest percentage increase

growing in number by 26%. slate.com looked at which languages are most dominant in each state. spanish dominant in all but seven. french is tops in four. when english and spanish are taken out of the equation, german becomes the dominant language. in other parts of the county, surprising langer went out. vietnamese is big in texas and nearby states including oklahoma. chinese follows english and spanish. a sign of a changing america. >> coming up, did facebook kill

america mobile app, available for your apple and android mobile device. download it now most of us have been duped by an online article from a fake news source. we all have interviews from friends telling stories that are not mildly true. if you are like me, you find it to be a mild annoyance. facebook has decided to come to

the rescue. it is testing out a satire tag, letting you know which articles are from the fake news sites. a debate has erupted. facebook may save you being fooled, but will that rue jen it fun -- ruin the fun sati satire. jacob ward joins us. "the washington post" was duped by a fake news site, reporting that sarah palin was joining al jazeera, and a chinese paper reported that kim jong un was voted the world's sexiest man. people are fooled by fake news stories. do we need facebook to warn us? >> i was fooled by a few seconds by the sarah palin thing. i could have used a tag saying no, dummy, this is not happening. the truth is this feels to me like an engineer's few of the world.

facebook is trying to sort out and categorise stuff. that you'll be aticketed to it. you'll see through an engineer's mind-set. this is a helpful label you can imagine. we need to make sure people understand. there'll be a sign that points to me. it's the kind of thing, it's a super orderly thinking. that is what a lot of people feel is a lot of fun. >> people post things on facebook. you look at the headlines, and people believe some things that are not true. it could lead to real issues substantive. >> well, that's right. it really is a reflection on how we are consuming media. the people who owned the means of distribution were the only

qualified to send a message out. it was a one-way producer and consumer of the news. it's all social media fuelled. they are standing in a river. the way that people are beginning to share news in this viral way that everyone who produces news hopes for - that creates - you become a pathogen when you put out something fake. you look at sites, they issued a report that they are 80% of people who were sharing the headline, had not read the article. many publishing articles are based on the idea that people skim it and share it. so you are right, fake information can get out there really fast if it looks just real enough. >> as you were saying, we are bombarded by so much of it, who has time to check everything,

other than news organizations that should be checking these things. we see surveys that show a lot more people, 128 million in the recent numbers we looked at checked facebook. that's a lot more than read a newspaper. is facebook gig us a public service by warning us what might be satire, and what is not? >> if you think of it from the perspective of a publisher like the onion. you imagine putting yourself in their shoes. it's hard to put yourself in the shoes of something like facebook. you mention it being a public service. when you talk about a media outlet that reaches 3 billion people, tiny stuff means a great deal. people worry about load time on the pages, images. when they tweak the algorithm so that the images pop up faster, they get millions tuning in, sticking with them than they would otherwise.

a little thing like this feels very, very important. >> that's a lot of money for them. if we can get more clicking. >> one argument against this is it ruins the joke. if something is satire. personally i don't get the argument. satire has been around. people have enjoyed satirical books and movies, they knew they were satire. a lot of us - people may end up watching the show, and watch satire. >> it's true. >> people would say that when you try to precategorise a form of expression, it takes the edge off of that night. there's sort of a quality to it. this is not a funny conversation you and i are having. it's bloodless. there's something - there's just

something about it that trying to precategorise and mediate it for an audience has a humorous quality. in a way it saps the ver vasiveness and unpredictability. >> who knows if it will save me getting emails. i would be happy to have them. >> that's right. >> good to see you. >> that's all for now. the conversation continues on the website. you can find us on witter at aj consider this, and follow me on twitter. see you next time. >> audiences are intelligent and they know that their needs are not being met by american tv news today. >> entire media culture is driven by something that's

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