>> al jazeera america presents >> the bulling got two much to take for me >> that's when when you feel like it's gonna be the end. 15 stories, 1 incredible journey >> edge of eighteen premiers september 7th only on al jazeera america >> president obama blasts russian military escalation in ukraine with satellite photos showing russian artillery troops and tanks crossing ukraine's border. nine years after the most destructive hurricane in u.s. history, hurricane katrina, we will hear from the man who some credit with saving new orleans. i am ali velshi. welcome to "consider this." those stories and much more straight ahead.

>> at light i am amingz provide evidence russia has intervened directly with combat forces. >> the mask is coming ground? >> this is not a home-grown uprising in eastern ukraine. >> the president says that isil is a threat. >> he really focused on political solutions. >> that starts with iraq's leaders forming an inclusive government that will unite their country. >> the world has never seen an outbreak of ebola like this. >> a case load that could exceed 20,000. >> it is going to be worse before it gets better. >> police have apologized to an award winning businessman. >> charles bell, for six hours because he was fitting the description. >> honorary calm to new orleans. >> in missouri, he says he would repeat his famous mention. put your weapons down. >> we begin with what appears to be a major escalation in the war in eastern ukraine. nato has confirmed that more than a thousand russian soldiers are now operating in ukraine in

support of pro-russian separatists. while nato satellite images show russian art artful on the ukrainian side of the border providing fire support. at the whitehouse, president obama would not say russia had i knowveyeded ukraine but was continuing actions that had goeg on for months. >> russia has deliberately violated the territorial integrity of ukraine and the new images of russian forces inside ukraine maybe make that plain for all of the world to see. >> the president hasn't ruled out military action but says the u.s. and al i recognize would take steps to punish shapiro for actions with additional sanctions. meanwhile, russia's united nations ambassador blamed ukraine and its supporters for the escalating crisis. >> the current escalation in the southeast of ukraine is a direct consequence of the reckless policy of kiev, directing war against its own people with the support and under the influence

of a number of states, the kiev authorities have torpedoed all political agreements on resolving the crisis in the ukraine. >> for more, joined from toronto by a ukrainian canadian journalist who worked as moscow bureau chief for the financial times and serves as a liberal member of parliament for toronto's center. good to see you again. in case it wasn't evident before, we now have nato satellite image reshowing russian self-propelled artillery supporting pro-russian separatists on the john boehnerian side of the border along with video of russian tanks operating in ukraine. president obama wouldn't call that an invasion but rather a continuation of what has been taking place for months and in a sense, he is right. ukraine has already captured russian soldiers on its soil, so is this in your mind an escalation and are we free to call this a war which nobody seems to be calling it? >> i think this is an

escalation, the president of estonia put out a very strong statement today describing this as a russian invasion of ukraine and this isn indeed a direct, clear russian invasion we had that before. crimea has been annexed by russia. so in that respect, ali, you are right to say this is a continuation of what we have seen. you are think there was a hope we could treat that as separately from the rest of mainland ukraine and what we are seeing now is russia actually directly deploying forces although russia is being could i about admitting that that's the case wishouldn't let russian news speak deter us from calling things by their proper name. >> ukraine is not a nato country. latvia is. article v of the nato treaty states if a member country is attacked, the response has got

to be as if any or all member current trees were attacked and we saw in syria when a missile went from syria totie, they were ready to deploy airstrikes if it weren't settled. president obama has said military action against russia is off of the table and he has insisted that u.s. intelligence shows that economic sanctions on russia have been effective. what do you think? >> well, i think economic sanctions were important and i think economic sanctions did play an important role. we had this russian effort to occupy southern and eastern ukraine began right after the occupation and annexation of crimea and the russians actually didn't -- i wouldn't quite say pulled back, but didn't push as hard as they could have done at that time, and i think that they didn't push as hard as they could have for two reasons. the first was the force of the ukrainian counter offensive, bothmit and also the rejection

by the ukrainian people in cities like odessa and skokiv of the russians. i think russia was surprised by the strength, especially of the second round, of western sanctions. >> ukrainian prime minister yanukovych said the government wants to freeze all russian assets. you and i have discussed this. putin's calculations seems to be europe will pay the price and not isolate russia. with each month we get closer to winter, his events seem to be proving him right. >> time is certainly on putin's side and winter will be difficult for ukraine and europe. having said that, ali, i think that putin -- i wouldn't be so sure that putin has a grand strategy. i think he is trying things out, and he is testing. i think that's why he hasn't described this as a direct

russian invasion of ukraine. he is still wanting wiggle room. i think we shouldn't assume that putin is going to fully in and take -- and try to take over these parts of ukrainian territory. >> the u.s. state department again said on thursday that the u.s. would supply only non-lethal aid to ukraine. republican senators john mccain and cylindlindsay graham say th helped lead to this situation, this invasion and that defensive weapons need to be sent. i am not really understanding. is the lack of weaponry and training and military ukraine's problem or a lack of international resolve to deal with this? >> well, look. first of all, ukraine didn't really have -- ukraine was doing really well up until this stepped up russian support for the separatists. you know, when you think about what happened in ukraine, this is a country that had a democracy revolution in february, a country that had a

completely corrupted, hollowed out state, a current they are that the minute that that happened had part of it invaded and annexed by another country and had thousands of russian armed separatists, maybe of them mersnaries show up in an eastern prove incident and yet the ukraineians were wibbing that war. >> that's the whole reason we have seen this direct russian invasion. ukraine was doing not too bad, was really doing well and that's why we have had russia, putin feeling he couldn't allow the ukrainians to win. ukraine now, i think, needs three things. those are three things very much in the interest of the west to provide. the first is: we do have to step up our pressure on russia. they are going to be -- there are going to be some important e.u. meetings over the weekend. i think there needs to be very serious discussion between the e. u., between north america and there needs to be a concerted tightening of the economic

pressure on russia. the second thing we need to do is find ways to support the ukrainian military, non-lethal aid has been significance. i think we should be thinking about forms perhaps of intelligence support and then the final thing is we have to be starting to look ahead to the wichitaer and thinking about way did to guarantee's ukraine's energy position. europe is depend he want upon russian gas. >> overwhelming majority of it travels through ukraine. >> yeah. that conversation becomes yet trickier but i suspect you and i will have it. thank you, krista freeland from toronto. turning from the crisis in ukraine to the war against the islamic state in syria and iraq, i s. posted video thursday said to show the massacre of more than 100 syrian shoulders captured when a government air base fell on sunday. in washington, president obama said the u.s. was working to build a broader regional strategy to drive is out of

iraq. meanwhile, heather al abadi, iraq's new prime minister koptsd to try to form a government that is overrun much of western iraq. for more, i am joined by ambassador fisel, serving as in the united nations, the founding director of the center for the study of the middle east at indiana university. mr. estribadi, good to see you? >> a pleasure to be with you. what i worked on was the interim constitution for the record. >> yes. so this is key the remarkable strement and power of i s and its ability a lot is the failure of the state in iraq that created the vacuum that allows it to come into it. so working on the interim,

subsequently, permanent constitution. you were not designing for a vacuum. why did iraq end up the way its become? >> one of the lessons of the last last eight years is no group can dominate. if our aspiration, the next dictatorship in iraq we need for a transitional period to work on the basis of a cone sent annual politics. >> hasn't been there. groups, particularly sunnis felt the they became disenfranchised. and to embrace what we used to call isil. now, it's the islamic state, is, with the results that you are seeing now. and so, hopefully, going forward, the prime minister designate will learn this lesson and form a government of a mutual consent consensus. >> eight years ago, we said the same thing about numbouri

al-malaki. he was outside of political 6 as this new prime minister is. we had hopes that that would happen and it didn't happen. what gives you any sense that it might happen now? >> well, hopefully, dr. abadi will have learned the lessons of the past eight years. after all, we have gone through the past eight years. i am also bouyed by the fact that he is a professional. he has a ph.d. in electrical engineering from manchester university. he lived in london for some time and saw how a finksi functioning democracy works, how a constitutional democracy works. hopefully he learned those lessons as well and hopefully the international community learned some lessons and will be better advisors perhaps than has been the case over the past eight years. >> ambassador, if this works, if iraq becomes a proper

functioning state again, then is can be relegated to being a f r fearful and dangerous terrorist organization but without the tent cals of infrastructure they continue to develop. a big part of the ants, would you agree with me, is iraq strengthening itself? >> no qui about that. the way it strength owns itself in the first instance is by getting all groups, authe authethniciti authethnicities, to feel they are franchised, to feel they have a hand on the levers of power. no one should have a monopoly in a constitutional democracy on the levers of power but everyone should feel invested in the new polity. >> is what has been missing. >> that's created what you saw, accurately called a vacuum. >> in truth, though, it has been absent in iraq for a long time. you know, we have heard a great deal about the enmity between

sunni and shia in iraq but in truth, in truth for 1400 years in many parts of the middle east, sunni and shia and airabs have lived in peace y can't that happen? >> you know the middle east very well and you know the history of the middle east and you know that you are absolutely right in the statement that the notion that iraqis have been slaughtering each other on ethnocofesional lines is a myth. it has been true for a very long time in iraq. it can be true again. one of the problems thhas been that the united states in 2003 when it entered iraq only saw an iraq of its parts, those who made iraq policy to a large extent now through 1 and a half administrations only saw iraq in terms of its components. hopefully we can put those days behind us and hopefully, we can empower a new political class in iraq which strifes for a pan-iraqi vision, one of

consentual politics, not one of confrontation and certainly not one of violence. >> should -- you said there is a role for the international community in terms of shoring up the baghdad government but it is the international community that sort of drew messed up borders in the middle east that we are still paying for today, particularly after the collapse of the ottoman empire. what should we be understanding? what should the international community, in addition to shoring up baghdad and ensuring good governance or trying to out of backgroundad, what should they understand about what the future of iraq, a strong iraq, can look like. >> a strong iraq is one in which all constituents, all ethnicities and all confessions voluntarily want to be a part of. it is not one in which a group or another is forced to be included in the state of iraq. it is not one in which one group dominates another particularly through coercive means. >> is what in my view the

definition of a strong iraqi is. in fact, it's the only iraq that in 2014 and going forward works. that means consensual politics and that means agreement on rather than confrontation and attempting to coerce enforcement of norms as has too often been the case, particularly in the last three to four years. >> ambassador, thank you for joining us, sir? >> my pleasure. thank you. >> for more stories from around the world. >> we begin in the golan heights otisis/syria border where armed rebels have captured 43 united nations peacekeepers according to an israeli official, the group responsible is the al-qaeda-linked al nuesera front, one of the groups fighting the asad regime. they are all from the island nation of fiji, part of a u.n.

operation to maintain the cease fire on the border. >> that's been in place since the end of their war in 1974. next, we go to ferguson, miss your e where a group of protesters filed a lawsuit against local officials after altercations in the wake of the shooting of michael brown. six plaintiffs are alleging civil rights violations. the city of ferguson and stop signs county along with a number of police officers and officials have been named as defendants. we end in egypt where three al jazeera journalists remain in prison. the wife of one of the journalists has given birth to their third child. he released a letter to prison written to his new born son in which he said, i was fighting for the truth in my career. that was not easy. whatever it takes, keep looking for the truth. never be afraid of it. i want you all to maintain your dignity. it is one of your most precious values, end quote. here with baher fahmy and peter greste have been detained since last december, falsely accused of had he, the outlawed muslim

brotherhood. they were given 7 years sentence did. and an extra three years because he had a spent bullet in his possession which he picked up at a protest. lawyers for the three men have filed appeals against their convictions. the al jazeera network continues to demand their release. >> is some of what's happening around the world. coming up, the ebola outbreak could reach 20,000 people. a massive relief effort is underway. so why might it take another nine months? and nine years ago this weekend, hurricane katrina displaced more than a million americans and killed 1800 more people. the man some credit with saving the relief effort will join us, plus, our social media producer, hermella is tracking the top stories on the web. what's trending? >> ali, hash tag market basket. the bitter summer battle over the family-owned business is finally, over. i've got the details coming up. and while you are watching, let us know what you think. join the conversation on twitter @ajconsiderthis and on

our facebook and google+ pages. don't mean you're life's ended. >> 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen premiers september 7th only on al jazeera america

sglofrnling. the ebola epidemic is accelerating and could infect more than 20,000 people. the world health organization said on thursday. with the death total topping 1500 out of more than 3,000 cases, the u.n.'s health agency laid out a roadmap to fight the virus that could see it stop within 8 to 9 months but even they are uncertain about the time frame. joining us from dallas is dr. suma yasna. she is a currently a professor of public health at the university of texas at dallas and a staff writer for the dallas morning news. dr. yasim, good to see you. thank you for being with us? >> thanks for having me, ali. >> with this international attention on the outbreak and the attention it has been getting, it seemed like a response had been mobilized. why know eight or nine months before they say they can get it

under control? >> ali, the scale and the speed at which this outbreak is spread something absolutely unpre unprecedent unprecedented. we have had agencies like doctors without borders at the front lines say it was in the past few days that they are maxed out. they are doing all they can do in this region. as of monday, 250 medical workers have become infected with e bobolebola. on the back much that, social countries and agencies are withdrawing their healthcare workers from the region where they are most needed. >> one epidemiologist with the eu said there could be as many as four times as many cases of ebola, the 3,000 that have already been reported. it's hard to get an estimate, i assume, of these. this is based upon modeling in the infectious disease business? >> it's true and based upon experience. we have seen this in other epdemmics of different diseases actually, that every one case that is reported that we do count, there may be many more cases, maybe four or five or more that go unreported that we

never actually hear about. >> for the time being, it's been relatively limited, but the world health organization's roadmap includes a projection that the ebola virus could spend to another 10 couldn't trees, 20,000 total cases is a low-end estimate. so far, the problems remain relatively contained within the region. at what point does the rest of the world have to worry that this could actually spread, and is it as serious if it spreads to other areas? are there better protocols for containing it elsewhere? >> that concern already exists. we have people in the u.s. and europe who are quite pan i believed about this vitters spreading to their countries and their regions. really, though, our concern needs to stay focused on west africa where this disease is causing the biggest burden of morbidity and mortality, killing so many west africans and spreading so quickly. even if we see a few cases of ebola in the u.s. or europe, it's so unlikely that we will see any kind of spread in the same scale as we are seeing in west africa.

we have a robust public health system here we have a very strong healthcare system. the chances of it causing a serious epidemic here are so small. >> we made some leaps ahead in infectious diseases after sars. the lookback on that sort of set in place a number of protocols about what would happen when we discover infectious diseases or people with them in north america. part of the issue is that that system isn't as robust in west africa. >> absolutely. we look at these countries that are affected, we see so much poverty there that the healthcare system has been devastated by decades of civil war and conflict, and the world health organization is saying we may need as many as 750 international healthcare workers going to west africa and 12,000 local healthcare workers. we are just not seeing that now. we don't have that capacity. it's going to be key, ali, is that when this outbreak ends, whenever that is, that we don't just leave the region. we must stay there. the capacity, build hospitals

and laboratories and train medical workers so next year or the year after, there is another outbreak of ebola, it doesn't spread as quickly as this one. >> you talked about the healthcare workers that will be needed, 750 from outside, more than 10,000 inside we have seen 250 medical workers contract the disease. how difficult does that make to attract the needed personnel? people are altruistic and they want to help but this is deadly. >> it makes it very difficult. you can understand. i spoke to an expert on ebola who just returned from an ebola ward. he told me there were 55 ebola patients and there were zero nurses because they fear for their lives. >> makes it difficult for the remaining few doctors to care for these patients and to stay safe because they become fatigued and more am becomes low. >> a report published in the journal "science" found the ebola virus is mutating quickly as its transmitted from person to person. a number of experimental drugs are in development including one

from the british drug maker glaxosmithkline being fast tracked to human trials. that's very unusual. will they work, though, if this virus keeps mutating? >> that will remain to be seen. we have to remember that usually, vaccine development takes upward of 10 years. >> so this is a desperate issue is and nih and this drug company are fast-tracking this and, in fact, healthy trials and health human humans may begin here in the u.s. and in the end of the month in certain african countries. if the vaccine passes the first trials t still won't be available to the people who need it most until next year. we have seen the virus, hiv mutates very quickly and it means that even the drugs we do have often don't work. we will have to see how this develops with the ebola outbreak. >> is that pointless or something that we should go through to try and figure out to fast track this virus and see if it is effective in the event that this outbreak lasts longer

than predigited? >> given the magnitude of this outbreak and the speed at which it is spreading, the healthcare organizations and organizations are saying absolutely this is the right thing to do. we need to fast tract whatever vaccines we have that have been very good and shown efficacy in champ pans ease, let's try them in humans now. >> what a pleasure to talk to you. i know it's a tough topic dr. seema yasmin. >> thank you. >> time to see what's trending. let's check back in with herm a hermela. >> the heated summer long feud over mascrket basket is over. >> it started on june 24th when the ceo who was loved by these employs was ousted by his cousin. arthur t treated his employees very well, paid above market wamingz, received regular bonuses and many retired with more than a million dollars in savings. employees say, on the other

hand, artur. does s is more interested in paying themselves. on july 8th, they staged a crimming walkout demanding arthur t. be reinstated it cost market bact $8.5 million a day. customers joined the cause refusing to shop at market basket leaving the company with a total loss of $380 million. on thursday, a deal to settle the -- to sell the majority stake of the company to arthur t. was reached. after is 6-week long fight, the shape's 25,000 employees will be heading back to work. now, turning to what some are calling suit gait during president obama's press conference, there was something that caught a lot of people's eyes, his tan suit. people on social media were not pleased with the choice. really not liking this obama tan suit sends the wrong message. this is what happens when obama bypasses congress to purchase a suit. i'm sorry, but you can't declare war on a suit like that. just for fun, we were having

this debate in the consider this. some liked it. others didn't particularly love it. ali, what did you think? >> i did not know what he was wearing when i got dressed. let me te let me tell you. >> obviously i was one of the ones who liked it. >> i will say this. it struck me. i thought he wears it well. i agree this is not -- when i wear a suit like this, i don't think of declaring war. this says relaxed, end of summer, get it done. >> right. i will tell you this market basket thing, in all of the years i have been a financial journalist, i have never encountered wage-earning workers putting their jobs on the line for their billionaire owner, risking losing their jobs for him. i have just never seen a story like this? >> it's incredible to watch. it's cool they won. >> i would like to eat this artur t.demoula. s. maybe he could give less to other ceos. >> katrina, the man who nine years later the man many say fixed the city.

>> sleep drunkenness, may sound like a college fraternity activity. it's a segment you should see before taking your next nap. later if you have ever read a celebrity biography and thought this is too out remainingous. the lies that pass for truth about american royalty later on.

welcome wack to consider this. i am ali she willshi. friday marpingz nine years since the most expensive natural disastner american history, when the largest hurricane ever to make landfall in the united states, hurricane katrina touched down in new orleans. the storm displaced more than a million americans, caused more than $100,000,000,000 in property damage, 1 within 800 lives were lost, including nearly 1600 in louisiana. this just wasn't a natural

disaster. it was a tragic failure of leadership at every level of government including femaleas widely crit sided response before and immediately following the storm. >> mess turned into order when our next guest, you see him here, was called in to action to oversee the u.s. military's response. army lieutenant general russell honore is nicknamed the category 5 general for bringing order to the region as the head of the joint task force katrina. retired army lieutenant russell honore joins us from new orleans. general, good to see you. >> hello, ali. >> general, how did you specifically get called into action with this joint task force, katrina? what happened? what was your briefing? what were your orders? >> we were directed to katrina from the northern command. it was a continuous mission i had as a first army commander to provide military support to civil authorities. we got that mission on a warning

orders over the weekend while katrina were hitting and got an order to deploy from mississippi where my headquarters was at the time in to new orleans on tuesday even eg. >> when you say provide support to civil authorities, what were the problems? what was the mess you walked in to? people were homeless? fema's response was a disaster. now more than a million people had been displaced. there was all of that stuff going on downtown new orleans. so tell me what you saw and how you responded. >> the. >> the prior to we received from the governor of alleluia was to save people's lives, conduct evacuations in the city of new orleans, provide food and water to people throughout the region who were effected by the storm. we basically had the same task ordered to assist in mississippi. and that was the focus of that a lot of people focused on new orleans but as you knowtion, the disaster was bigger than new orleans. as it happened, we had over 30,000 people in the city of new

orleans in a needed to be evacuated. >> new orleans and those regions around have been rebuilding since 2005 new orleans has posed a particular problem. the city's population is almost back up to pre-katrina levels. that was one of the saddest parts, a number of people had to leave and make somewhere else their home. we heard about new orleans police department with slow or no responses to 911 calms. new orleans police department says its lost 500 police to resignation or retirement. when you look at that count, a place yourself -- that town, a place you are from, how do you replace the same number of people back to pre-katrina levels of people with a third of the force gone? >> i think you have laid out the calcul calculus. the police force need to be new orleans for the sides would be a normal city, but we are a destination. people come from around the world we have the superdome, madi gras. we need a bigger police department by probably between four or 50 more added to it.

the issue is how do you pay for it? how do you keep that police department resource so they can be a world-class police department? and with all due respect, i think if we had better pay and we had a professional -- better professional development and more officers, this department would become better overnight that's all it needs. >> a historic problem in new orleans where there was corruption all those years ago because cops were getting paid far less than someone else could pay them to not be cops. this was a big issue. new orleans enjoys that status of almost being a world-class city, one of the biggest in the country. history, beautiful, a great culture. how in danger is new orleans from slipping back in to chaos? >> i think we've got the hand on the wheel here the mayor and the leadership here is not going to let that happen. they understand what they've got to do. so many problems are created by a state government who believes believed they could determine what the tax rates are in new orleans. if new orleans was left to its

own t would solve this problem. we have a state government that keeps a hand on new orleans almost like trying to suppress the city. >> that's the legislature in the state of louisiana. >> has to be fixed. the people of louisiana have to appeal speak up because this city is better now in terms of more hotels than we had before katrina, more restaurants. we are a city of entrepreneurial center in the south and globally, people are coming here to start businesses. there is a lot that could be done and a lot of opportunity in new orleans. but we still have only 25% of our population in poverty. those are the challenges we have. but this city has come a long way with a lot of federal help since katrina, ali. >> you wrote a great book about leadership and there was even talk that you may run for louisiana governor and when i hear you talk and i think about the way you behaved back during katrina and the crit sims that you have, you have said your platform wouldn't win but you are a son of louisiana. this is very clearly very personal for you.

would you consider running as governor? >> yeah. everybody i have talked to about platform about where we've got to rebuild our education, we have about 5 different education platforms in the stay, we are second to last. we are the third largest energy producer and the sec poorest state. the whole structure now, tax, the way we do schools here, the way we do healthcare, all would have to be changed. therism people who make these decisions without allow that to run. >> that mean you won't run? >> we won't win. >> general, you have seen this a million times. i want to play it for our viewers. there is an eiconic video from you from the early days of katrina telling police and your men and women to put down their weapons. let's listen to this. >> hey, weapons down. weapons down, damn it. put your weapons down. >> and you are getting cheer the on by people around you. shades of that issue, of mil r tarized police, of police versus

civil authorities were raised in ferguson, missouri. you have been critical of the response by officers. you have been on the air swaifz saying how you would handle it different. tell me how you would have. >> well, i think the idea of police with people expressing first amendment rights in new orleans, we had a little different situation bays the police came in with the perception that people in the city would hurt them and treat them like the enemy. we reminded the police in in other words put your begun down, you here to save people, not to intimidate them with your guns. what i saw in ferguson was a total wrong response. every policeman i have talked to, police chief around the country that we have been engaged with, that is not the right response. when people are exercising their first amendment, when people practice disobedience, you need to arrest them, you don't point guns at people with women and children to intimidate them. all of those police need to be retrained. i think they over responded.

they have had time now. i hope they get retrained and they use that federal money as opposed to buying more equipment, to by more training and better education of their police and better pay so they could take care and do the professional development because we ought not be pointing weapons at our american citizens. >> general honore, always a pleasure to see you. thank you so much for being with us the. you are hope if you decide you are running for governor of louisiana you will come and have at that that conversation with us and you will tell us about it first here at al jazeera. retired army lieutenants general russell honore. >> conversation that continued in ferguson missouri, race and the fragile relationship between police and african-americans got a real world example of racial profiling in california this past week: african-american producer and morning executive charles belly was in beverly hills. police thought he matched the description for at that crime nearby. so they hand cuffed him, kept him sitting on a curb during rush hour and arrested him and

locked him up for hours. it was all a mistake and a striking display of racial proceed tiling. >> man, charles belly joins us fr from los angeles. you have become the human face for something african-american around the country have been telling united states they experience all the time. you are a very successful man walking in a very successful town and one that likes to think of itself as more socially aware than much of the country. how do you think this happened? >> i am not sure but everything you said is absolutely correct. it not something you would expect in a town like beverly hills or in a community as open as l a. it's generally very accepting out here. >> what was going through your mind as this all happened? >> what was going on, why was i being -- what was going on? why was i being kind of detained and, more importantly importantly make sure i stayed calm and cooperated because i did not wanted to end up like a member of the fatalities and statistics we have been seeing

images of. >> at that point once you realized something had gone wrong, you have to think ahead, what else is going wrong? >> my whole goal once i got over the fact that he really meant that he wanted my id from me and wanted me to sit on that curb, my goal was to sit there and completely cooperate. >> that's going to be heaard. you are a successful guy in life, probably instinct wouldtary say to argue with him or tell him you got the wrong guy or fight for your rights at that point. you realized, maybe i better make a different decision? >> i would have to agree with you. >> would definitely have been my initial instinct. but we look and i say i know where i was coming from. i am sure this is just going dob a minor inconvenience and we will get this all over with. >> tuesday, on the daily show, jon stewart used a recently example of profiling his own producer and correspondent encountered in new york city. listen to this. >> the producer, white, dressed in what could only be described as homeless elf attire and a

pretty strong 5:00 o'clock from the previous week's shadow strode confidently into the building, proceeding our humble correspondent, a gentleman of color dressed resplendently in a tailored suit. who do you think was stopped? let me give you a hunt: the black guy. and that (bleep) happens all the time. all of it. race is there. and it is a constant -- you are tired of hearing about it. imagine how (bleep) exhausting it is living it. >> so we see examples like yours far too often. has this happened to you before? is it something that you hear about and think about, or is it something you think happens to other people and you weren't expecting it to happen to you? >> so i am from the south. so, i am 51 years old. so racial profiling is not new to me. i am used to it. and i have heard stories about folks being, you know, kind of miss targeted and stopped and

identified and held hostage age rights being taken away. nothing like this has ever happened to me before. i would never have believed that anything would happen like this to me. >> have you had others tell you, though, that they feel that this happens to them or they feel they are getting profiled all the time? >> absolutely. i get profiled from a stand point of if i am driving and, say, i look over and there is a police car, i feel that they are behind me running logbooks tags. so, yes, i did know that it happened. i didn't know the extent that it happened until it happened to me. >> the beverly hills police department said they deeply regret the inconvenience to you but that quote based upon witness accounts and his location close to the bank, officers properly detained and arrested him based upon the totality of the circumstances known at the time. now, since then, they have announced an internal heview of its policy and procedures. they initially defended themselves but in your opinion, what needs to change if anything in their policies? >> well, when you look at it,

they had a that would allow me to be stopped and handcuffed set up on a curb for 45 minutes to an hour identified by somebody riding by in a car with my head down and partially blocked by a police motorcycle, my rights not being read to me, me not being allowed to make a phone call and not being able to shroud to be able to speak to my attorney, if that's their process, that process is blatantly broken. i completely welcome the fact that they are going through this review. and i think it's a great first step in trying to fix things over there. >> beverly hills police departments said they reached out to you express regret. have you had a conversation with them. >> my lawyer and i called them. this probably was earlier in the week, mondayish, tuesday. but they called my attorney back because no one answered and he spoke with them. i have not is spoke with them since the night i left early saturday morning. >> you don't seem unduly angry. you may have been disturned but you seem to have tappy this in

stride. >> i am an understanding person from the standpoint when they stopped me and they said that i matched the description, i thought, well, okay. what's going on? but we are going to work this out. and i get it. i get they have a job to do. i just think they did it very poorly. >> sure. >> i think that the detective appeared two f.b.i. special agents, if i robbed a bank, they clearly hadh that on video. did they not see it was not me? and when they told me, when they -- if they would have said he looked like you, we wasn't sure. but they said they did not watch the video. six hours later. >> that's a problem. they had me out there for 45 minutes. they should have incorporated in today's tech nology, watched that video right there right then. >> that sounds like a reasonable recommendation as they are reviewing procedures. charles, glad to see it worked out in the end and thank you for sharing your story with us. >> thank you for having me. >> charles belly from l.a. how

did a massively successful writer get away with alleged scandalous lies about some of america's most beloved celebrities? the way you wake up can actually be fatal. our data dive is next.

>> audiences are intelligent and they know that their needs are not being met by american tv news today. >> entire media culture is driven by something that's very very fast... >> there has been a lack of fact based, in depth, serious journalism, and we fill that void... >> there is a huge opportunity

for al jazeera america to change the way people look at news. >> we just don't parachute in on a story...quickly talk to a couple of experts and leave... >> one producer may spend 3 or 4 months, digging into a single story... >> at al jazeera, there are resources to alow us as journalists to go in depth and produce the kind of films... the people that you don't see anywhere else on television. >> we intend to reach out to the people who aren't being heard. >>we wanna see the people who are actually effected by the news of the day... >> it's digging deeper it's asking that second, that third question, finding that person no one spoken to yet... >> you can't tell the stories of the people if you don't get their voices out there, and al jazeera america is doing just that. arch todd's data dive wakes up. a study finds one in 7 people may sleep from sleep drunkenness, that sfwlafrning.

the medical term is confusional arousal. sounds sexy but it can turn you on to major health issues. people is suffer from amnesia and hurt themselves or someone else. one man who was sleeping on the deck of a ship woke up groggy and fell to his death. researchers studied more than 19,000 adults in the united states. 15% of them had sleep drunkenness in the past year. more than half of that group had at least one episode a week. it commonly comes with prior health issues. 84% of those who suffer with it have another sleep or mental health disorder which include depression, bi-partisan disorder, and anxiety. nearly a third of them had also taken a psychotropic medication like an antidepressants. there is a larger debate over whether confusional arousal is just a symptom of other sleep related issues or its own condition. a big r.n. for this is that when other symptoms are treated, this tends to disappear. durz suggest it happens when

people get too much or too little sleep. about 1 in 5 people with sleep drunkenness got less than six hours a night. 15% got 9 hours of sleep or more. coming up: just how accurate are the celebrity biographies? we will bring you a surprisingy account of those that went unquestioned for years. >> john siegenthaler in new york coming up right after consider this, new escalation of violence in ukraine as russian soldiers and tanks roll into the region. how the u.s. plans to deal with what kiev is calling an invasion. still no strategy for dealing with the islamic state group. president obama's military planners are working on options. the new face of heroin addiction is moving out of the i hoper cities and into the sprshz. all coming up after "consider this."

>> c david heymen is one of the most surface biographers of the past 30 years, from jackie 0 nas is and joe and marilyn was published in july to rave reviews. according to my next guest, his books are noteworthy for another reason: they are littered with fabrications and made-up stories that helped sell books but had

no basis in the truth. let's bring in david k. johnson and a contributing for newsweek magazine. he wrote the upcoming story entitled "pulp fiction" thank you for being with us. according to your newsweek piece, this guy has been making things up for a long time now. you first wrote about his fabrication back in 1983. i didn't know about this story. how did he get away with it for so long? >> i think that's a very important question here. in 1983, he wrote a book about barbara hutton claiming he had spent many trips and hours with her and she had given him her personal notebooks. the problem was he had no tape recordings, couldn't describe her room at the beverly wilshire hotel. carry grant and other people told me things were not true. he had made-up material, material that came from another author who told me he had made up his stories about it.

and i was astonished that he we want on to publish all of these additional books, the last four of them through the books division of cbs, you know, a mostly res spectable corporation. >> didn't people get angry? people you spoke to and sue him? >> there are a lot of people who threatened to sue him. none of them deeply wanted to pursue t there were women he accused of really bad misconduct but some of his stories, ally, were just totally incredible. he had robert f. kennedy as a freshman united states senator and obviously wants to be president of the united states stripping down in a public newark virginia having sex with a woman and running off when a patrol officer came along except according to the police department, the one i named doesn't exist, course to the actual police department, no officer by that name, no report of that kind or anything else and there are just hundreds and hundreds of these flat-out fab indications.

>> elizabeth taylor was the subject of his writing. she also was alive when he was writing about her. so was there some lawsuit there? >> well, yes. she filed a lawsuit and said, i have never cooperated with this person. the stories about husbands beating me and other things are all untrue. she was trying to block an nbc miniseries based upon his book about her. there are a number of other people who threatened to sue and various promises were made not to repeat things, in some cases, promises that were not kept. >> i mean i think this is fascinating. you write the publishers looked the other way. they continue, you say, to look the other way. his editor sprooudz to talk to you for the story. what's the -- how does it get to this point? >> well, i think there is a real question here about whether truth matters in this kind of publishing. cbs's books division did not even want to hear what newsweek

had found. the editor screamed at me and said this is getting ugly and hung up the phone. now, i have been writing press criticism for more than 40 years. i am the only journalist who has caused a broadcaster to lose their license. i never had senior people at an organization where i challenged the credibility of a news story do that. they have always said, what do you have? we want to know. >> right. >> and by the way, they are pushing these books for high school students to be assigned by teachers, and they continue to do so even since our story has went up yesterday morning. this is appalling conduct and as ryan criterman said today, cbs has a lot to answer for. so far, they are not answering. >> i think it's remarkable. you are talking about pushing it on high school students, the current publisher, his current publisher is trying to sell bobby and jackie to teachers to be used in the classroom and not even sure if it were true what theness value of that is begin how little americans read these days. at some point, someone's got to

say, maybe it's as a result of your cover story, this has to stop. >> well, i hope so. one of the things really troubling in haman's books is there are three people, pierre s salinger, i don't remember mrifrpton action the writer and actor and jack newfield, the judgist who all refused to cooperate with haman after they were dead, he attributes some of the most salacious stories to him. he asserts newfield told him jackie kennedy was having is sex with her husband's brother. newfield denounced this as a completely. how could cbs not know that this man was fabricating the stuff. these were open, clear badges of fraud and it seems to me you had toi to be will fully blind not to know that. >> i should have clarified. hemann did die in 2012. so he is not there to fight this topic. you would think at that point,

those who were publishing this would listen to you and say maybe worry doing something wrong here. >> i agree with you. somebody could reasonably criticize me saying that the guy is dead. the problem is, these books are out there being sold. >> yeah. >> being promoted to children. that's what the go me on to it as the father of 8. it was like really? you would show this stuff to children? >> yeah. i don't understand the value of it being taught in high schools. david, good to see you. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> david k. johnston, an al jazeera columnist and newsweek could betributing hour. our show is off, friday night, we will present a marathon of our recently acclaimed reality series borderland on the immigration debate. coming up this weekend on "consider this": what do palestinians want from israel in a long-term peace deal? we will ask the plo's chief negotiator. does the college of the future have no lecturers, no research libraries and no football? a man at the forefront of a school that could revolutionize higher education joins us. the conversation continues on our website,

aljazeera.com/considerthis, or on facebook or google+ or on twitter at aj consider this. tweet me at ali velshi. have a great labor day weekend. . >> hi, everyone. this is "al jazeera america." i am john seeingenthaler in new york. show ofpho force. russian troops on the ground in ukraine. nato says it has proof: how will president obama and the west respond? scores of syrian soldiers executed by the islamic state group, the atrocity, videotaped for the world. the chaining face of heroin captured by a photographer who chronicles his own dissent into addiction. plus, terrorist protector, 7