>> will there or won't there be ground troops in our fight against i.s.i.l? president obama and his former defense secretary add to the confusion. also, another nfl player facing new domestic violence allegations. hello i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this," we'll have those stories and much more

straight ahead. >> i will not commit our armed forces to fighting another ground war in iraq. >> we know that free syrian army cannot take on i.s.i.l. >> the moderate option in syria has in fact been fighting i.s.i.l. but they require our support. >> growing skepticism that the americans have been. >> clarified the president they've taken it. >> gunmen suspected to be members of boko haram stormed the american college of education in cano. >> nigeria's president, say boko haram is making sweeping inroads in the north. >> the course for adrian is to put him on the exempt list. >> major concerns to the nfl. >> scotland votes whether they want independence from the u.k. >> everyone who cares about our

united kingdom is nervous. >> we begin with the continuing controversy over president obama's strategy to degrade and defeat the i.s.i.l. terrorist army that has overrun large parts of syria and iraq. after meeting with officers at central command at mcdill air force base, president obama reiterated there would be no ground forces in iraq. >> combat forces will not have a gas position. as your commander in chief i will not commit you and the rest of our armed forces in fighting another ground war in iraq. >> and with u.s. continuing to target sources in iraq, haider al-abadi insisted that forces will be in iraq. >> the only contribution that the american forces is going to help us with is from the sky. i have to make this very clear.

>> former defense secretary robert gates told al jazeera this morning that air strikes is not enough. >> so there will be boots on the ground if there's to be any hope of success in the strategy. and i think that by continuing to repeat that, the president, in effect, traps himself. >> for more i'm joined in new york by major mike lyons, he now serves as a senior fellow with the trueman foundation. something that secretary of state john kerry said during a committee meeting in the senate. >> our commander in chief, this doesn't seem series. it seems like a political answer. to the united states as they cry

out. >> and you heard bob gates saying that the president has trapped himself. is this more of a political strategy than a military strategy and could that hurt us? >> right now the strategy is coming from the air. we are providing a blunting force, to give the iraqis time to get their political situation resolved. when americans deploy there's three fundamental ways to do that. they work and train other forces where they're nowhere near combat, they'll have maps, or the combat role. the president is really talking about that combat role, there will be no large scale 20, 30,000 troops in that role. but what secretary gates is right, there are going to be troops in harm's way for us to defeat i.s.i.l. >> i'll talk about security forces in a moment. but air strikes how effective they will be, joint chiefs

general dempsey saying well there are growing issues about that because i.s.i.l. is changing its strategy. he said specifically, a lot of the black flags have come down, a lot of the convoice have dispersed, a lot of the commanders have moved into urban areas. i.s.i.l. adjusting in a way where it would be harder for us to go after them in the air. >> we is had have expected that. that is how terrorists survive. they go to ground, get inside these built up areas. they know full well we won't attack them. now the air support is going to have to be close air sport with iraqi security forces on the ground. many more coordinated over the horizon. >> you mean very specific targets? >> no more over the horizon what was that coming type of attack. they're going to have to be very specific in support of ground

offensive. >> we have to rely on the iraqi ground troops and general dempsey said, 24 of the ground forces so sectarian that they are so unreliable that we simply can't work with them. what does that say about these forces we're relying on to fight these terrorists? >> one of the things the troops have done is taken inventory and we are getting ream information as to the combat forces. who we can bring online to do that and you are right, to have a military where 50% of it is ineffective, what's the use? 100,000 or so soldiers, getting them mustered, it will take a little bit more time. >> what prime minister haider al-abadi had to say about how this is going to play out? >> we are not giving any blank,

blank check to the international coalition to hit any target in iraq. every target that is hit must be approved by us, or we are asked for it. we won't be giving them a blank check for targets hit in iraq. >> are you surprised by that? he is saying that we have to coordinate with the iraqi government. >> anybody who thought they were going to join the air parade which is really what these countries had signed up for, everybody looking to provide this air support, nobody was willing to do it on the ground. but from his perspective he can't have two fighter wings coming from saudi arabia, coming towards iraq, that would be a nightmare politically for him. >> i understand the political issues in there but if the united states is going to go in there and we're going to put our airmen at risk shouldn't the united states be coordinating this and making decisions

themselves? >> the united states has a compromise of synchronizing different air but if the final go-round is going to have to be approved by the iraqi prime minister we're going to replies targets. >> after dempsey saying that 24 of these brigades are completely worthless and we saw how poorly they have fought against i.s.i.l. in the past, do you think we'll get to the point where they will be able to really take the fight to these guys? >> there are certain principles of war that describe these kinds of combat conditions and what they have is mass. they should be able to put together a large enough force that creates enough havoc for i.s.i.l. to retreat. >> even warfare is extremely difficult. >> buildingy, close battle, something the americans don't want to fight, we want to use

our great technology and stand off, and this enemy has already chosen not to fight that way. >> major mike lyons, pleasure to have you back. >> thanks for having me. >> obama administration authority to spend as much as $$5 00 million, in the war against i.s.i.l. but the bipartisan vote masks doubts that many moderates have, that the push could success. kentucky senator bob corker. >> we know the free syrian army cannot take on i.s.i.l, you know that. >> the moderate opposition in syria has in fact been fighting i.s.i.l. for last two years. and since last january, the free syrian army has been engaged in i.s.i.l. in idlib, in aleppo, in

damascus country side. but they require our support. >> for more on the moderate syrian opposition, i'm joined by ubay chabendar, ubay, good to have you back on the show. senator joe manchun said, quote, if money and military right could have made a difference, it would have by now. does very a point? is the free syrian army in any better shape than you and i talked a few months ago? >> it absolutely is. it's been the free syrian army that's led the fight against i.s.i.s, and has successfully expelled i.s.i.s. from two major provinces in northern syria that is fighting i.s.i.s. in eastern syria and the damascus country side and been able to do so with

very little to no outside support. so imagine if you add american enablers, american trained and equipped program, to thicken the license to empower the free syrian army to expel i.s.i.s. from its real last safe haven from the northern and eastern syrian country side you really have a chance. >> but ubay, won't participate, defeating bashar al-assad is its top priority. and its colonel ryad al asad, if they want the free syrian army on their side, a plan including revolutionary principles. another group calls itself the syrian revolutionary front, has signed a nonaggression pact with i.s.i.l. >> the free syrian front has done no such thing.

that is a statement that was perpetuated on the internet. the fight against i.s.i.s. in the damascus country side and in northern syria has intensified. these rumors that there have been agreements with the free syrian army and i.s.i.s. is absolutely not true. >> what about focusing on assad and not fighting i.s.i.l? >> the free syrian regime is viewed as the root cause, many in the syrian opposition view be assad and i.s.i.s. as the same side of the same coin. that it is the assad uniquely that continues the -- regime that continues to purchase oil from i.s.i.s. >> many thinks that assad

benefits from all this because if he's seen as a bullwark against terrorism, somehow he will manage to stay in power. but i keep have to challenge you about the moderate syrian opposition. because there are words that steven sotloff was sold to the terrorists by moderates. and a congressman on tuesday said he questioned whether the moderate free syrian army is either moderate or even an army. what do you say to that? >> well, steven sotloff was ultimately captured by i.s.i.s. and there is strong suspicion that i.t. was the fixer that he hired that ultimately betrayed him. i fully agree with the white house when they sent out the statement that there is absolutely zero evidence that the vetted moderate free syrian army were the ones that kidnapped sotloff. when it comes to the free syrian army, let me be clear, they are

committed to 100% against i.s.i.s. we heard the opposition to come out in favor of the antii.s.i.s. coalition that's being headed by the united states and by moderate regional allies. that is an indication that the forces on the ground are going to continue the fight against i.s.i.s. and that the united states and the west and the moderate regional allies have a proven partner on the ground that is willing and capable to take the fight directly to the heart land, where i.s.i.s. operates. >> now iraq's national security advisor met with president assad on tuesday. >> in consultation with syrian government on this. syria is our neighbor. we cannot afford to fight our neighbor even if we disagree on many things. >> so how can this possibly work? if the syrian army's main goal is drive assad from power and one of the allies is consulting with assad at the same time?

>> it is very interesting, in 2009 the iraqi government was singing a completely different tune when prime minister maliki at the time brought forth a case when president assad himself, suicide bombs in baghdad, specifically attacking the ministry of interior and ministry of defense. so we fully sympathize with the government in baghdad, that has been the government of bashar al-assad, that has been directly responsible for the expansion of these extremist forces in iraq. >> these are very important developments. i know you have been calling for aid to the syrian moderate opposition for a long time and we'll see how this proceeds in the senate and what happens if that aid starts going to the free syrian army. ubay chabendar, always good to

have you. >> it's a pleasure. thank you. >> now for more stories around the world. we begin in eastern ukraine where despite a ceasefire well more people were killed by a shelling in rebel held town near donetsk. a rebel leader rejected a compromise from the ukrainian legislature that would allow more autonomy while keeping it part of ukraine. insist they'd the rebels would only accept full independence. ukrainian president petro poroshenko will be traveling to the united states asking for more support. scotland independence vote determines whether scotland remains united or split, independence leader alex salmo d

urged leaders not to let this vote, said that salmond were, quote, leading us into a trap. in case you were wondering, england's book makers have given the edge to scotland remaining part of u.k. forensic investigators who study he the recently discovered body of richard iii. he was the last british monarch to die in battle with his death being captured in english literate by shakespeare. research say the fatal blows came when he abandoned his hours and lost his helmet. nine were on his skull, dagger sword, ax and hook that were used to pull knights off their

horses. no matter, richard iii would have traded his kingdom for a horse. coming up, five months after boko haram kidnapped 300 girls from energize, why hasn't a single girl been rescued and why is the terror group stronger than ever? a former member of hillary clinton's inner circle, calls, her our social media producer, hermela aregawi is tracking the latest on the web, what's trending? >> very handy to fight crime, i'll tell you you how twitter users gave a big insist to police in philadelphia check our social media for clips on the show. we're @ajconsiderthis and facebook.com/@ajconsiderthis.

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>> five months ago almost 300 girld were abducted there their school by boko haram. some escaped but not a single girl has been rescued. outrage, including a group, bring bake our girls, brought attention to the situation, united states sent 80 medical tri personnel to coordinate the search. but boko haram's rei boko haramr has grown. announced they have their own caliphate. >> we didn't do it on our own,

allah is going to use his strength to rule guaza and the whole world. operations with the naval criminal investigative i servic. sufan group, expert on transnational terrorism movements. robert you're one of the experts in the world on terrorists. we want to talk to you about boko haram. it's been five months since the girls were kidnapped. they have taken towns and cities, declared this caliphate in the territory that is reportedly the size much west virginia. they may have 3 million under their control. how is it that there's been no progress against these guys? >> if you take away the intense focus on syria and iraq, nothing has changed in five months

except it's gotten worse. the killings continue, estimates between 3 and 4,000 in northeast nigeria had he hands of boko haram this year. >> because our attention was turned to israel and iraq and syria and ukraine? >> the issues have remained the same. boko haram continues to exploit and take advantage of the tribal ties and alliances that it has in the northeast and more to the north and west, it takes advantage of that porous border in this multiple state regions of niger, cameroon and chad. it owns the territory it knows the land. >> you would think after all the attention it has gotten there would be some progress. it doesn't seem to be. the capital of this borno state, the reports are that people are fleeing from there, that police are leaving that priests are leaving that soldiers are

leaving. that is a town of a million people, city of a million people. >> exactly. the latest reporting is that boko haram has pretty good positions at least offenses in the area around mitagori. that is a big concern for abuja. those concerns continue to exist not in the connected and military but the political front as well. this is the result, the culmination of let's say neglect from the southern part of the country for the far northeast, for over a decade really. >> these guys are committing some of the atrocities that i.s.i.l. is committing, committing beheadings. again their name is about opposing western education. so they're killing and kidnapping kids at schools including on wednesday where they went into a university and killed at least 15 people. they keep making noises, and say that they're in some sort of alliance with i.s.i.l. is there any relevance to that?

>> yes, there is. the period of 2009 and 10 that's where the real uptick started with this thing called boko haram. even more ruthless more violence. if you take the period of this year where it showed an absolutely over the top readiness to use violence, it's sought to have that international flavor and that it's not just the phenomenon of the northeast and that it is the vanguard. in comparison to i.s.i.s. of a broader -- >> and we need to say this is important to americans and to the world because nigeria is the seventh most populace country in the world, largest economy in africa. >> largest economy in africa. >> in they take over or disrupt the country it could have disruptive consequences.about. >> that speaks to sometimes it is a cliche the shrinking world.

there are national or international implications. the problem in that far northeast of nigeria. but the spill over effect is profound for nigeria itself as well as the other countries. >> we have to talk about the story of the kidnapped girls. because that has completely fallen off the world's radar. one nigerian, said the terrorists have scared away all the aid workers from that part of nigeria. it really seems to show the limitations of this hashtag activism bring back the girls that everyone seemed to have cared so much about and the outrage. where has the outrage gone? >> indeed there is an impact of the social media campaign, are not often ton radar -- >> but social media moved on and the outrage advise led. >> when it comes to, make no mistake, the kinetic military

action must go on with the group that understands nothing but that type of stimulus. but it's the other factors that really need to be taken care of. again the political the alternatives to what's going on in that part of the country. those things haven't been addressed so social media is one thing but it tends to be efemme raf if there aren't other remedies. >> and clearly political remedies are necessary in nigeria and it doesn't seem like anything is happening. >> absolutely. >> these girls five months later in the hands of these terrorists. >> remarkably only 57 have come home. >> very soon after they were kidnapped. robert, always a pleasure to have you. >> my pleasure. >> facing the u.s. in these trouble ig time. former secretary of state

madeleine albright. >> the world is a mess. >> criticism is coming from within his own party. starting with hillar clinton's comments. >> here with me is malik, co co-author of a new book, america'america's crisis of leap which he co-wrote, a powerful being democratic pollster. malik good to have with you it, it's, passive confused, how do you really feel about it?

>> i felt we'd been more moderate than that. no, we are not actually partisan. i mean, i think we feel that the last couple of presidents have been catastrophic in foreign policy. but the fact that the current president inherited a bad situation and then compounded it, has brought the situation to i think a point of no return almost and that's why we bang on about him so much. >> i want to talk about the substantive parts of the book in a minute. but i do want to talk about some of the politics. the book is fairly neutral about hillary clinton. but it really, some reviewers see it as another step in the clinton candidacy for 2016 and how the clinton campaign at some point will attack and separate itself from the obama foreign policy. >> i know that a lot of comment has been made already, that my

co-writer is in the clinton camp, and that the book is in some way part of the increasing salvos that she's firing into the upcoming election and so forth. but it's not true, that is not our position. we are not taking anybody's side. i think if you asked me whether she would be good, and whether we would take a side in theory it would depend on who would be running against her. but also, it really is time that we had a leader who had some experience in foreign policy. the last one that we had really was the elder bush and he was very good at foreign policy. and it would be nice to have someone who has been around, she has been around the world, she knows what she's doing. >> let's start with russia and china, the title of the book is focused on them and the closenning relationship between

those world powers and you bring up the largest oil and gas deal ever has been struck between the two countries. they've collaborated on naval exercises in the south china sea, that's a problem for many american allies. you say this is really going to pose a big challenge to america in the future. >> yes, we also mention that we have chapters on each of the areas in which the threat is continuing and increasing. one of them for example is cyberespionage. one of them is the strategic area, the nuclear area, all of these russia and china if alone would be manageable, just. they individually are increasing in power but put together are a global full court press against us. >> george bush had a fairly good relationship with vladimir putin, he certainly was not

passive. so what should president obama be doing that he's not doing in order to diminish this challenge from russia and china? >> i wouldn't say you're right about president bush having a good relationship with vladimir putin. he thought he did. using the bases in central asia which we needed to supply afghanistan as a way of luring us in making us spend a lot of money and pulling them out from under us, that was a huge problem for us. but what you're asking what should president obama do, we have an entire chapter on that. but in the first place we should be arming the ukrainians. we should be putting missiles where we said we would, antinuclear missiles in poland and lithuania and the baltic countries. we should make sure that these countries enter nato very quickly and then start being very clear about where the red

lines are and backing up the red lines. >> because you said that not only has president obama systematically weakened our position in the world, that you say he's one of the weakest presidents we've had in decades and there is the danger. >> his policy which i'm semi sympathetic to after what happened during the bush era is to let things calm down, and get us disengaged and take a long look around and make a decision. and would i have supported that. and i did originally up to a point. what it turns out his policy is, is that he responds to whatever the television hysteria is of the day or the media his trair ya is of the day, i.s.i.s, there's a beheading suddenly we're ramping back into war and we've just pulled out of there. what sense does it have? >> americans who are increasingly isolationist, the

apology is terrible for the president, only 34% think he's doing adid job, a lot of them are saying, why don't we let these people deal with their problems and let us stay here in the united states. >> i would say yes veez vee the middle east where we have been lured into many times and it was during our time in the middle east that china became so powerful russia retook its empire and it's going to happen again. i would say ice lakessism or full engagement is not the point. the point is to do that by choice and intelligently where it's appropriate not in a blanket philosophy where you don't consider which one is the right way to go so you get engaged in the middle east and in asia and in pacific and against russia. no, we don't have that kind of resource any more. so we have to pick and choose our wars. in the case of i.s.i.s. i think we have to contain them but we

cannot get involved in that situation again. europe is part of our civilization. europe is something we have to defend. if we cannot defend our civilization we have no business going into anyone else's. >> it's called the russia-china axis. thank you for being with me. >> thank you for having me. >> let's check in to hermella. >> in the aftermath of the boston marathon bombing, here is an example of social media getting it right. philadelphia police are thanking twitter users for helping them track down a group suspected them eve much brutally attackino gay men. former real housewives of new

jersey cast member greg bennett tweeted this video, twitter user@fen 09, asked, could anybody identify this restaurant? two minutes later, they verified the restaurant. he said he was able to identify at least three of the people and tweeted if you are going to gay-bash don't fill your facebook profile with gay slurs and also delete that restaurant check-in from earlier. joseph murray gave a personal shout-out to the person leading the charge, saying, this makes my job easy, sure it's up to me to make the arrest but we're all in it together. this is the way twitter is supposed to work for the cops. i'll take a couple thousand twitter detectives over one real detective any way.

police say so far no arrests have been made. antonio in this case tweeters were diligent and did get it right as far as identifying the suspect. >> thanks hermella, another day, another cries i for the nfl and commissioner rog esh goodell, and other players facing domestic violence charges. why so many people are looking to own a piece of movie history, and a huge splash at the box office? problems that could have lasting effects.

>> another nfl player, jonathan dwyer of the arizona cardinals was arrested wednesday accused of domestic violence against his wife. this as two nfl stars took

advantage yesterday of a rarely used voluntary suspension that lets players deal with off-field issues. nfl commissioner roger goodell has remained silence. when he came under fire with the way he handled ray rice for how he knocked out his then fiancee. michael eaves, good to have you with us. star running back adrian peterson has availed himself of the voluntary suspension. he can't have contact with the team, can't have practices but still makes his $11.75 million salary for the year. why did the league allow him and also allow dpreg hardy o -- grey of the panthers?

>> the ownership of these respective teams have come out saying they support their player and say they have a right to do their process. but outrage across the country saying these players should not be allowed to play until that process is done. so the teams did not want to suspend them because that means those guys would not get their money. and then if you do that, if you start suspending them without due process then you have a chance that the players union itself could speak on behalf of the players saying, you know what you can't be taking money from these guys, there's got to be better way. this allows the league to do that, take the players out of the public eye but let them get paid,. >> it is a pr nightmare reinstated peterson after he had been suspended this weekend, they got beat badly, got their

butts kicked, and the allegation that he could have abused another one of his children. didn't the reinstatement look bad, that they needed to figure out how to handle if a that? >> when team ownership and the personnel talked about this, they didn't think it out enough to at least have a plan to see what the public criticism would be. then you have sponsors like radisson, nobody wants to be associated with these types of crimes or allegation he. you start seeing this type of pressure from the community face, then when mark and ziggy will came out, we wanted to get it right, they apologize for messing it up the way they did but their concern was to get it right going forward. >> was the league, you made the distinction between the team and the league, but the league has

direction,. >> absolutely. >> you got anheuser busch, has publicly shared their concerns, nike which is the official apparel provider began pulling adrian peterson's jerseys, it is only after this that they end up moving. it looks like the nfl cares only about money. >> absolutely, that is their number 1 goal which is to make money. >> they should make if they want to make money in the long run -- they need to deal with these largers issue. >> that speaks to the larger issue the lack of leadership from roger goodell. ray mcdonald with the san francisco 49ers, there's been no true leadership from roger goodell. everything is willy-nilly here, they make up these suspensions or protocols as they go along.

>> they couldn't take that unless roger goodell allowed it. why is he being quiet? >> because the last time he went out publicly he looked like a buffoon, when the allegations that he knew about the video, instead of being put in a position where it looks like he's lying been, he said let me do stmg from behind the scene. they hired female personnel from the league, to be in charge of this. a lot of people are demanding the commissioner -- >> demanding that the nfl speak out because we also saw this on wednesday with a press conference that was handled by gloria allred, the famous lawyer, she brought up the number of domestic violence issues, he's since dealt with them. we discussed mental health

issues with him on the show. allred's point was that the nfl and goodell did nothing then. this is a pattern of not wanting to face serious issues. >> could you make a strong argument that the way -- you could make a strong argument that they've shown a lack of leadership and lack of guidance in terms of what you're going to do go going forward. this situation is snowballing everybody is seeing it. if the team wants to address the individual players the teams and the society as a whole, here is what you do. put them on the exempt list, while they're out they're going to work at a battered women's shelter or if it's drug related issues, they're going to work in those issues as well so the people who care about advocating for those issues see that the

players are getting an education more awareness but they're taking them out of the field of performance as a punishment but they're enlightened as to what's going on. >> they're going to have to do with educating their players that this doesn't happen because it really is horrible to see what's happened. we should say the players association has appealed the second suspension, the indefinite suspension of ray rice. >> now the issue is punishment now you come back and do something on top of i.t. where does it end? that's not about ray rice, it's about the players union. >> thank you michael. maroon five, now a terrible jobs report spells out both the music and movie industries. but first, you can hang a ride into music history. easy rider is going on the auction blox.

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this is what we do. al jazeera america. >> today's data dive goes to auction. easy rider's main chopper is about to go to the highest bidder. peter fonda's famous motorcycle in the film nicknamed captain america will be audienced off. four bikes were made for the film but three were stolen before the movie. the auction estimate is between 1 million and $1.2 million. there is clearly a big demand to own a piece of movie history. marilyn monroe's famous dress went for $4.6 million. it was part of de debbie reynols

extensive collection. one made her daughter carrie fisher famous, star wars. a panoramic vision george lucas made went for $650,000. star wars is a collector's favorite. han solo's blaster sold for $245,000 last year. luke skywalker's light saver went for $245,000. but both went for a lot less than george lucas's tie fighter, it went for $400,000. dorothy's blue king ham dress went for $485,000. you need shoes to go with that, her ruby slippers went for $466,000. who knows what they would sell

for now. clicky, those heels are an awfully expensive twie travel to kansas. there are big financial concerns about its future, why a dismal jobs report for the entertainment industry is raisings concerns about the movie and music businesses. >> hi everyone randall pinkston in new york. coming up no ground troops to fight i.s.i.l, that's word property white house. and just one day before scotland votes for independence. what do people in america think? california wildfires, are firefighters making any progress? plus bookstores could be making a come back, at least one ener is betting on it. after "consider this." @ent...

>> we have an exclusive story tonight, and we go live... >> what's happened to hollywood? the film industry's coming off its worst box office summer singers the 1990s. down 18%, from last year. now there's a free fall in the music industry and hollywood is paying the price in jobs. the you're about labor statistics recently announced

employment dropped 19% in just two years. so why the sad state of entertainment? let's bring in al jazeera culture critic bill wyman, a former npr arts editor. bill, a really big slump. the summer big movies did poorly. even though they had big stars, they didn't get people excited into buying tickets. now a dismal jobs report. what's going on? >> a lot of things are hitting the industry in a lot of different ways. the bureau of labor statistics includes the movie industry the tv and as you say the music industry. it's actually been holding okay given the economic downturn except for the last two years where the bottom's dropped out of that. tv seems healthy, there are so many shows under production but

the movie industry is feeling the hit, predominantly, you've got to look at the ten highest movies, all that reboot, sequels, all the crap we have been seeing for the past few years. and warn he brothers say they'll be laying off 8,000 workers, and what you say the movies are crap, priet 60 too. >> in all fairness, to be glib, they can take enormous multihundreds of millions of write downs. guardians of the galaxy actually paid off for them. i don't want to seem glib but a lot of these sequels are tired and simply not performing.

>> the box office story has missed the point because movies are increasingly made for international audiences. i don't know how the miss, the drop of unemployment. tom cruise's edge of tomorrow did triple overseas. but the studios don't get as much from the overseas grosses. >> exactly there are a lot of moving parts. it is not a good industry to be in right now. look it's amazing they're doing as well as they can. but up dependence forces we forget about, there's still so many billions of hours watching screens but sometimes it's not this high produced entertainment. have you ever heard of something called cutie pie? it's this kid who place video games on screen on youtube. hundreds of viewer hours tens if

not hundreds of millions of views. i don't know if you take one in 10 or 1 in a hundred of those people who are not going to see a movie, not buying a record or listening to a record on a streaming service and it costs nothing to produce. >> and taking away business. >> exactly. >> the music industry, maroon 5 album bombed, apple was giving u2's new album to its customers for free and customers are giving it back. what is going on there? >> there is no value to recorded music anymore. that's really clear. let's crunch the numbers, u-2's last album sold about a million copies. $6 million goes ou 2, it's

barely worth the time to make the record. if it gives them worldwide publicity and they've got a concert tour scheduled to go on at any time, that's going to bring them in five, six, $700 million -- >> one of the questions what is happening, with these streaming sites, when you talk about no value in the music business, you have got spodify, pa pan pandort does it mean, for musicians not making any money? >> again, cds when it comes to digital sales that's a very small amount of money compared to cds. digital sales are now decreasing so it's clear that streaming is eating into that and that actual money generated by recorded music is just going to turn out

to be eight or 10% of what it was ten or 15 years ago so there simply is not going to be that money. good news, slightly ameliorating that, the big groups who will always make a lot of money. but if you remember what happens the writer company gives you a minor advance and for the rest of your life you are in debt to the company, if they do owe you royalties they don't give them to you. so in a way twas ever thus. and no money to be made anymore. >> lot of entertainment anxiety, bill wyman good to see you. >> thank you sir. >> that's it, coming up, scotland's historic vote. michel monahan joins us on a major issue facing countless

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