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>> director aj schnack's unprecedented series concludes >> it's certainly something that doesn't exist in politics on television >> america votes 2014 midterms only on al jazeera america a desperate plea for thousands more health care workers to fight ebola in west africa as the virus becomes divisive politically in the u.s. two elite marine corp snipers on why the sharp shooters are often marginalised the pope takes a surprising stand in the evolution debate hello, i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this" - that and more ahead. >> this disease can be contained, it will be defeated. >> it's free of the virus.
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>> i'm grateful to be well. >> the nurse casi hick ox quarantined. >> governors of new york and new jersey stand by the guarantee teen. >> this is not about politicians trying to appeal tough. >> i.s.i.l. released a video. >> showing a british prisoner. >> it's difficult to see that he's a prisoner. >> 30% of americans are angry about the direction of the >>. >> american people are not liking scary, anxious news. >> god is not a musician. reeling. >> more than 3,000 students took state classes. >> we begin with president obama firing back against states requiring a mandatory
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quarantining for health workers. >> they are doing god's work over there to keep us safe. i want to make sure every policy we put in place is supportive of their efforts. if they are successful, we will home. >> the president was updating u.s. efforts to fight ebola in africa. the comments from a rebuke to chris christie and governors of other states who declared a mandatory 21-day quarantine for zone. something the c.d.c. said is not necessary. nurse casey hickox was the first to face quarantining. she denounced the policy. down. >> i understand that the c.d.c. is behind on this. the members of the american publish believe it is commonsense. we are not moving an inch
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there was good news tuesday, nurse amber vinson walked out of hospital ebola free. >> this is a day for celebration and gratitude. i ask that we don't lose focus on the thousands of families that labour under the burden of disease. >> the case of dr craig spencer, who went bowling and rode the subway the night before he was diagnosed ignited calls for quarantine. joining us to discuss the response in west africa is nicholas alexander, a spokesperson for the world health organisation, who travelled to guinea and sierra leone and witnessed efforts there. >> the world health organisation's latest saying report said that a number of ebola cases worldwide is believed to be 10,000. health officials predict we could see 10,000 new cases a week by december. is that the case?
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>> i want to clarify one thing. when we talk about the 10,000, it's cumulative. there are not 10,000 sick with ebola. more than half died, many survived. we are talking about thousands of cases. it's awful and something you don't want to continue as we have seen. it doesn't only affect the people in those countries, but elsewhere as well. indeed, if current effort are not ramped up, we could see the numbers - you mentioned they are calculated based on a number of factors. it's a range, 5,000, 10,000 per week in the months to come. calculation. >> it would be exponential growth compared to what we have seen. is enough getting done, because the u.s. facilities - and we sent a lot of people over there to help out. the facilities will only have 1700 beds.
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if we could conceivably see thousands of new cases every week, it would seem to be a drop in the bucket. >> i don't think it's a drop in the bucket. the new facilities are important. the challenge is you need the health care workers to staff them. that's a challenge. there are people that volunteered, ready to go. there are countries like cuba, you need the teens that manage the centers. they have structures in place and take hold of one and run and manage it. that's the challenge my colleagues are reporting back at the moment. you have people willing to work. you need the deems that are used to working toot who can imagine the treatment interests. that makes a difference. the key is you don't leave people sick with ebola in the communities cared for by family members.
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that's when one person can people. >> you need the health care workers, but some 450 health care workers are thought to have been affected with ebola in west africa. the report says they are infected outside the treatment centers. i'm not sure that i understand it. we are trying to get to the bottom of how the nurses in dallas were infected. in that context, is it hard to get health care workers to go to west africa. >> i think health care workers have a scientific approach to this. what you highlighted is important. people are not getting sick necessarily, they are not necessarily getting sick within the ebola treatment centers, where they were protected head to toe. we have seen cases where it happened in the community, where they are looking after someone after work, or a family member, that's where the explosion is
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happening. health care workers need to look at working conditions, but the treatment centers are some of the best cold. >> the issue of how to deal with health care workers returning from west africa is a big issue from the united states, and calls for stringent quarantines have been criticized because of your concern, the whs concern that if the quarantines are in force, people, when they come back, have to be quarantine the for 21 days, that'll stop workers going there, you recently said: . >> the president of the w.h.o. said that those three countries in west africa need 5,000 more health care workers to effectively fight the epidemic. >> the numbers you look at are around that. you need thousands of international workers. more so, you need dozens of
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thousands, almost 100,000 local health care workers, and that's why the international community is looking to train up the health care workers. those on the ground are wanting to work in a passionate way as well, it's a personnel decision. the other thing the international community is working on is training up people locally who is there and willing to work. we don't know if it queernts, if it will have a chilling effect on a number of health care workers willing to go in, but outline the other supports -- but all the other sports needed on the ground lodgize tirns. community support, those that message. >> it's an amazing effort. samantha power, she visited sierra leone and tweeted this:
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do you think we'll catch up to the drain? >> that is language that the w.h.o.'s director-general used for many months. the virus is ahead of us, we are running after the virus. when i was working in the country, they had that same sense, that everything in place hasn't gained traction. we are seeing a ramped uppest, the call going -- ramped up effort. we are seeing teams interested in negotiations. it hasn't happened. we have to keep the sense of hope. it's the only thing to do. of course we'll win, it's a question of when. >> let's hope it's soon, so many lives depend on your efforts. appreciate you joining us, thank you, thank you for your efforts. >> ebola has not spread aggressively in the u.s., where in my opinion cases have been soon since august. fear has spread, and the response to the ebola crisis is a mainly yore issue on the -- major issue on the campaign
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trail where it's taken center stage in some of the new attack ads. it turned into a political hot potato when governors quoemo and christy cyst sized the policy. they called for 21-day queernts for health care workers returning from west africa. c.d.c. said it's the wrong side. >> i'm going to be on the right side of opinion. i understand that the c.d.c. has been behind. folks were infected in texas. we are not going to have folks affected in jersey. >> awe we are talking about is folks directly in contact with health care workers, with folks infected by the virus. the reporting is soppy on this. >> we are joined by a senior fellow and resident scholar.
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a professor at george mason university. >> in new york, republican strategist, advisor for governor george pataki, and partner are mercury llc, a public strategy firm. good to have you both with us. bill, you i don't that republicans are trying to put all the problems, illegal immigration, and the ebola virus into an anti-obama package. >> that's correct. that's what they were trying to do. adds to the effect. they are trying to raise questions of competence about the administration. they cite a lot of things. there has been a collapse of confidence not just in the white house, but the center for disease control. the obama rollout, secret service, border control, there was a crisis this summer. all the questions raised about the president's ability to manage the government. they are really paying on people's insecurity that the
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them. >> it's not just republicans, it's democrats. we played an ad from georgia, a crucial battle out of michelle nunn, and she distances herself from the president, security, and ebola. so jared boll has become a big part of the conversation. >> it's a general can he handle the crisis. leon pennetta talked about a president that was indecisive, wanting the rest of the world to check forward. leader. >> when it happens, it's typical for a correspondent to run away from an incumbent or an unpopular - the history when it comes to i.s.i.s. or ebola, is the president up for the job, and the american people have a question about that.
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>> ebola has taken over the conversation, and many are saying that the disagrees botched this. the president said all necessary sessions were bean taken. thomas eric duncan was taking place in dallas. >> clearly, as we found out. our health care system in many places, how big a deal has ebola become when it comes to faith and government. >> the government is not reassuring people, it is trying to. it speaks for certainty that proves false by event. the disease can be transmitted. but then people are coming down with the ebola virus. people want security. they want to believe that the government and the president is
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no control of event. the president is rarely in control of ept, but has to communicate the sense that he is. president obama has to say that the virus is not easily transmissible, but suddenly people catch it. americans feel insecure. >> tom, coming to your neck of the woods, new york and new jersey, we have the governors como and christy, they stepped in saying they wanted stricter quarantines from people coming back from west africa. the acou criticized them. the u.n., and a nurse who, at an airport, did not - the screening showed she had a fever. whether she did or not, whether it was a mistake - but she end up being quarantined and is critical of the fact that she's
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quarantined. governor christy says what will we do. was christy and quoemo right. >> we don't want governors filling a national health crisis their own policy. if we had a national policy, it would not have trickled down. >> isn't that a problem, that the states have the rights to do this. this is not something governed from washington? >> yes, but in this case, you know, when you have a crisis - a situation occurring in dallas, this is a national, an international problem that has been going on for some time, and the were the has tiptoed around it. to be clear, you can't get it shaking hands with someone. if we had been more forceful, we knew ebola was going to come to america. that's the world we live in. in the case of
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new york and new jersey. i find it ironic that so many said ban flights. that's a problem as well. you can't win in this situation. >> and is that part of the problem. we are getting mixed signals. the white house criticizes christy and quoema, and the army is quarantining soldiers coming out for 21 days in italy, saying they are doing it out of an abundance of caution - what is good for the right hand is not good for the left? >> they want someone in charm. that should be the president of the united states. we have a federal system, but viruses don't recognise a federal system, state or federal authority chris. -- authority nice. he's the president of the united states, they want him to be in control and don't feel they did, with all the states having
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conflicting rules, and even arguing over who has the authority to act. people want the president to take charge. >> doctors are giving you mixed signals. nobel prize-winning doctor came out supporting christy saying he supports the tougher quarantines, because it's not clear when people can transmit the disease. christy was asked about the show. >> a lot of people would like to infuse the situation with politics. will you say there's no political blame to be assessed for what happened with ebola in this country at this point? >> i'm not here to discussion plit -- discuss political blame. if you look at what happened in the different states, you had republican and democratic doctors. you have more democratic governors doing this han republican governors. >> the politics, bill and tom.
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and i want to bring up something bill warren wrote in the "daily news", and it shows a picture of president obama's ebola czar. and the headline "where the hell czar you." this is a guy that is not a health care official, president barack obama didn't mention him on tuesday. what is happening? >> i was going to raise that. where has he been. as bill says, the country wants leadership. we recognise that we are not always going get it right. we have an ebola csar, who no one nose, why bother have it if he's not going to be on the front lines. that. >> why in the world would the president appoint someone to take control of crisis. he's not a doctor, a public health trained person, and you're getting arguments among
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officials. the principal argument is this - can someone who is asystematic, who doesn't show fever, vomiting or something like that, transmit the virus? the authorities are giving us an assurance that that could not be done. the nurses were sick. the guy in new york was all over town, and he was diagnosed with ebola. people are not sure that the government is correct, yet they speak with a strange certainty. americans are not sure. >> if you were going to tell us that ebola would be a big issue, we would have said whoever suggested that is crazy. always good to see you guys, thank you. now for more stories from around the world. we begin in washington d.c. with secretary jeh johnson ordered
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additional security for 95 hunt buildings. he pointed to last week's attack at the canadian parliament and "calls by terrorist organizations for attacks on the homeland" as the reasons for increased security. an official said there's no new intelligence indicating a threat, and the changes are a precautionary measure. >> next to wall of island virginia, where an unmanned rocket carrying 5,000 pounds worth of supplies exploded six seconds after taking off. a sail boat mistakenly travelled too close to the launch area. it was part of a 1.9 billion agreement to take supplies to station. now to the vatican. pope francis signals the major ef clugs for the church. speaking in front of the uponivical academy of signs, the pope said the big bang theory
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and theory of revolution does not contradict creationism, and says evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve, and said god is not a mousse irp, but a creator. >> we enter hawaii, where the town begun to be evacuated as molten lava inches closer. moving at a speed of 10 miles per hour. 50 houses are in the path, and they are pourless to stop or divert it. one road and a cemetery have been closed as the lasta left behind a trail of blackened tomb stones. no one has been hurt, but there are fears that toxic fumes created could sicken anyone that gets too close. that is some of what is happening around the world. >> a week from the midterm, democrats.
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>> fighters get re-enforcements, but will 160 new fighters make a difference. >> social media producer, harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories, what is tracking. >> investigators search for answers in a school shooting in washington. the rehabilitation of many in the community may surprise you. while you are watching, let us know what you think. join the conversation on twitter, an aj consider this,
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with the midterm elections a week away and control of the senate at stake, there has been bad news for democrat in the past few days. polls show president obama's job approval numbers are under water, with large majorities agreeing the economy is a mess, and the country on the wrong track. key senate races remain neck and neck, democrats could lose contacts in states in part of england. >> i'm joined by boston globe reporter jim sullivan, he joins us from the newsroom. let's go through "the washington post" abc poll. it seems to have nothing but bad news
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for the president. midterm races are considered more local than national. do you think that will be the case this time around, is president obama's performance going to be the deciding factor. >> the poll has bad news for the senate. there was a number in there that voters blame president obama and democrats over republicans by a 3-1 split. if you look at the history of midterm elections for a second-term president. it doesn't work out well for george w. bush. when democrats took over the house and senate. president obama, in 2008, was a beneficiary of that. so, you know, right now looks like a bad 2014 for gements, and potential -- democrats, and potential for republicans. in new hampshire, what you see
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scott brown is trying to do to democratic incumbent is tie her to president obama on a host of issues, the macro issue of the aca, president obama's health care reform law, on matters like i.s.i.s. and ebola. anything that the republicans can tie their opponents to obama on, they are trying to do. >> the race is a toss up despite the fact that new hampshire has been blue for more than a decade. and that scott brown was a former senator of massachusetts. a lot of people complained about him being a carpet bagger. he is trying to keep this focused focused. >> he is trying to keep it focused. jean shaheen is popular. scott brown is under water. his
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unfavouriblesar higher than favourables. he is tying jean shaheen to the president, and he is the overarching issue, and his ticket. >> how about the governor's race, no more quintessential state than massachusetts. the polls seem to give an edge to republican charlie baker. your paper, the globe, endorsed baker. what is making the difference in that race? >> it's less. the attorney-general, martha coakley has baggage from her 2010 u.s. senator loss to the aforementioned senator brown. and the race is based on local issues. it's been a referendum on the management performance.
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patrick coombe is popular in the face of management woes on capitol hill. >> let's go back to the national conversation and issues. we have i.s.i.s., ebola, the threat of home-grown terror. a lot of people think the world is spinning out of the control. given what you are seeing, how big of a deal do you think the bad news about international and homeland security. how big a deal is that to voters, is it pushing them to the g.o.p. there's a pervasive spents that the government in washington has little control, and is not making efforts to exert the control. that's why the president came out at the white house, talking about ebola, and what the u.s. is doing. it's important to put a small number of americans at risk in order to protect a large number of americans. i don't think it's coincidence the president coming out, trying to quell the sense of almost
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panic in the public and electorate that things are out of control. >> the whech is will whether -- question is whether this will be the way of election. you were based out of washington. the president's numbers seemed like a piece of bad news after another. democrats are tied, and a bunch of senate races that could determine whether the senate goes to the republican or not. do you think despite all the discontent. it will not be a waive election for the republicans. >> sure, in 2010 they picked off a lot of potentially competitive seats. there's less room for growth. i think it will be close, a lot within of the margin of error. there's funky candidates. particularly in kansas. you could see democrats hanging
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on to the senate. moving into 2016, the map is problematic for them. >> it will be an interesting week. thanks for being with us. one programming note, we'll have special election night coverage here on al jazeera america, kicking off at 7:00p.m. eastern, tuesday, november 4th. >> moving to the struggle to save the syrian town of kobane. reinforcements are on the way. a convoy of 161 iraqi peshawar fighters left erbil on tuesday, and are said to have arrived in turkey, where the turks have promised to allow them to cross the border. four more strikes were blasted in town. the fight for kobane was coming to an en, with i.s.i.l. coming out on top. for nor, i'm joined from nick
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schifrin, who is not far from the turkey-syrian border. >> peshawar fighters are supposed to deploy. reuters is quoting a senior kurdish politician who said they entered turkey from iraq. will the turks, who have been reductant to help the people fighting in kobane, allow them to go through? >> that's the $64,000 quest. so far we have seen little evidence of turkey allowing these kind of fighters into kobane. i spent the day with two smugglers, who say since turkey promised to open the border, nothing has changed. they can get 6-8-10 fighters in, not more than that because the boarder is heavily policed and manned. turkey is under pressure by the united states, by n.a.t.o. to
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open its border to try to say kobane. it needs a lot of help, despite 150 u.s. air strikes or drops into the city. many people whom i talk to here say that the city could fall. they are desperate for the 150, 160 fighters. 160 is not going to say 9 city from i.s.i.l. that has tanks and heavily weapons, they are outmanned and gunned in kobane, and they need all the helps they can get. the u.s. air bases in turkey, the turks are not willing to allow issue strikes to come from syria.
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is there an indication that turkey will be less reluctant, unless the u.s. agrees to a wider war chl u.s. officials are trying to be patient with turkey, knowing the difficult space that they are in, fighting against kurds, kurdish fighters collected to the people, where we are talking about fighting i.s.i.l., are doned terrorists. the u.s. understands turkey's position, but they are behind the scenes, pushing turkey to open up the border to vote more. we haven't seen turkey do that publicly. it's a waste of time for turkey to get the u.s. to go against bashar al-assad, who turkey has opposed since day one, the u.s.
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has little to no interest in expanding the war inside of syria. turkey nose that, that no matter what he says, the u.s. is not going to do this. >> nick schifrin in turkey, thank you. for more on the efforts to lift i.s.i.l.'s siege, we are joined by douglas oliphant, he served two tours as an army officer in iraq and led a planning team. he is a security fellow. good to see you. 161 iraqi peshawar fighters doesn't sound like a significant enough force to cleaning the course of this battle. and the peshmerga are qualifying how much support. that they won't engage in direct combat. is this a symbolic gesture. it's symbolic, an attempt to
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thread the needle. the kurdish politics are complicated. syrian kurd are affiliated with the p.k.k. so it appears that the compromise that the turks worked out is to let iraqi kurds, certainly affiliated with the kdp, the barzonti family, a faction closest to the turks, and bring them in and let the kurds who are friendly to the kurds rescue kobane. >> if there weren't so much at comedic. >> exactly. you have the pieces moving around. for the turks, ficting i.s.i.s. is -- fighting i.s.i.s. is number three priority. the first concern, their own internal problems, then the bashar al-assad, and then and only then i.s.i.s.
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>> a female kurdish demander published a powerful piece in the "new york times", saying the town shouldn't fight the islamic state alone, and kurds can't match i.s.i.l.'s weapons, and while the kurds are blockaded on all sides, she says that there is evidence that capitol hill's equipment and men have been allowed to move back and forth across the border. they want kobane to fall. >> it's a powerful accusation. i'm not certain that the turks want kobane to fall. i think this author can be forgiven for perceiving it that way. outside. >> there's a video, too. a video of i.s.i.l. terrorists on the border there, apparently frat nicing, socialising with turkish military. >> we have seen that. i'm cautious about an i.s.i.s. propaganda video.
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it's adding to the impression that the turks are playing out the sides. >> she wrote in the new york times that they are defending a democratic secular society of kurds, arabs, muslims and christians, and they proved themselves to be one of the only effective forces fighting i.s.i.l., despite the fact that weapons don't match up. if we need ground troops in syria and iraq, why in the world can't we figure out some way of giving these people more help? >> well, it's complicated. all kind of people in the region have been effective when defending their homes. the free syrians defend their homes, and the iraqi shi'as, when they defend their homes, they fight well. i take their point, they are defending one town. it is symbolic. kobane is bigger than one
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town. it's a symbol of the kurds, what the turks are doing, it's a larger symbol for a lot of things. for that reason, it's important for all kinds of people, the raits, kurd, the larger coalition - for us to win. >> at lot at stake. good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> time to see what is trendin >> time to see what is trending on the web. >> details emerged from the shooting in marysville washington. we know that five friends were lured to the same lunch table before opening fire. two died, three wounded, two in critical condition. investigators looked for answers, the reaction of some informant community are unusual, many are memorializing the shooter alongside his victims. there are six plastic cuts bearing the name of one of
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victims, as well as the shooter himself. there are notes like these "jay line, where do i begin, you were my brother and best friend", and "i'll never forget you or your smile." nate's cousin tweeted: speaking to the marysville community, a mental health attorney said: detectives are sifting through a large number of texts and phone records leading up to the incident and they say it may be several months before they get a happening. >> such a tragedy ahead,
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snipers have been part of america's revolution, they have been malaligned for unfair play. you're ben warfare is common, and enemy combatants difficult to identify, they have never been more important. for more, i'm joined at the studio in new york by sergeant jason, bronx born, serving in iraq in 2003 and 2005. and by a sergeant, the top ranked marine fighter in the early days of the iraq war. he served in other hot spots, the author of "shock factor."
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good to have both of you guys here. it's a pleasure to have you. you started the book by telling an outrageous story about how a talk show host straight out asked you how does it feel to be a murderer. the point you make is you are pretty much the opposite of that. you she what a sniper does as -- you see what a sniper does as being a life saver. >> there's an enemy target. you have two ways to take it out - you can drop a bomb or i can put a round in that guy. and it's over. i save lives in that manner. we have the high points, watching their back and clearing the fields. >> the title of your book - shock factor - that's because you see snipers having a tremendous psychological impact beyond killing one or two people. >> absolutely.
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think for a second. you and four bad friends decide to do mayhem. you walk down the streets, you have bad intentions. the last guy in the column goes down. you don't see or hear anything. everyone looks around. you are shock. next guy goes down. then you decide maybe we should take cover. next guy goes down. you are behind cover, and you worry about where the bullets come from, he could be behind me. this car. >> so you are paralysed. >> then i get up and run. why do i run, i have lost control. the shock factor drove me insane, i'm sauf to the races, bang, bang, i'm gone. >> you said the shooting is only 10% of what a sniper does. >> yes a big misconception is
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that that is all we do. recognisance, surveillance. intelligence gathering. basically direct and general support of your organic recognisance. >> the first chapter of your book is entitled messengers of death. you talk about how snipers won a major battle in the war, and how it's taken a long time for the pilotry to embrace snipers. why is it it take so long, what change changed. >> fair game. to not face your enemy. it's a misconception. when you are ambushed they are not saying, "excuse me, we are going to ambush you now." it's the same thing, as it
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killers. >> dismissed that way. >> the military in every conflict gets rid of them. >> you talk about a case in mogadishu, where you saved who nose how many lives because you identified a bad guys, you took a quick shot. you didn't know he was until it was almost too late. dealing with the rules of engagement are strict. >> we know what the rules of engagement are. we have the best weapon, and even times like then, you have to make a split second decision. you can't wait. if a gun is point at someone else, he is ready to pull the trigger. i have to make a decision with time. >> do you guys get training, you have to deal with the fact that you are killing someone? >> all the training in the marine core - basically all the
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training leads you to this point, for how you shower in boot camp, how you get dressed and go about your daily activities, everything prepares you are for every decision you make on a battlefield. you already know this is not your decision to make, it's your job to do. >> there's no psychological training. if you need help after the fact, it's cable. >> you feel no remorse, you did your job. i mean, you can say i feel no re remorse. i wish i didn't have to do it, that somebody didn't have to die. i know i saved friends and civilians. >> how disappointed given what new? >> to be honest. i can only speak on personnel emotioning, and it's disheartening to see, you know, losing so many friends, and basically having to sit back and
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watch on television the deterioration of iraq, when i witness iraq in its glory, i was there last year, in erbil, 4-star restaurants and hotels. you felt good. you felt like you did something for the country to watch it regress into what it is with i.s.i.s. and all that. >> we made a big commitment to get in. we did the job, accomplished the mission. we have troops in japan, germany because it was needed. they don't need us to guide them, but needed us for many years. we should have brought the troops there. let it grow up, when it's an adult, then leave them. we left too soon. we lost people. >> jack, jich, appreciatour service and you joining us together to bring us these fascinating stories. good to see you both. >> the book is shock factor, terror.
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today's data dive reviews prohibition. tuesday marks 95 years since the bol stead act was passed. allowing the government to enforce an amendment: the i.r.s. was tasked with enforcing the law. the prohibition movement starts a century before, by 1830, the average american drank the equivalent of 88 bottles of whiskey. triple the intake.
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that led to temper at societies. by 1900 they had gained political power. the passage of prohibition, and organised crime filled the void. power came from overseeing a booed legging operation. crime sored in the two years following the drinking ban. prohibition was revealed, and the government is among those making money, $5.5 billion. advocates for legalizing marijuana see similar benefits claiming an effort to stop sales hasn't stopped 25 million americans smoking it, arguing that it clogs up the system. >> north carolina cheating scandal.
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>> all of these people eagerly waiting in line are about to get closer than they ever have before to an 8,000 pound giant. >> hi bamboo! >> bamboo is the oldest elephant here at seattle's woodland park zoo. she shares this space with two other elephants, 35 year old chai and 45 year old retoto. >> so even when we have elephants that are sharing the same space together, they often times choose just to share opposite ends of the exhibit. >> a growing body of evidence shows that zoo elephants thrive when they are able to socialize with each other in a herd of three or more. the a.z.a. is requiring all of its accredited zoos with less than three elephants, increase their herds or phase out their programs and donate their elephants to other zoos. animal rights advocates say that's not enough. >> what would you like to see for these elephants? >> i would like to see them retired to a sanctuary where they can roam on vast acres of
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land. >> but curator martin ramirez believes zoos have a duty to breed new elephants and sanctuaries are meant for the animals to live out their days, not procreate. >> there you go, perfect! >> ramirez hopes that providing an up close and personal experience will inspire everyone to join the effort to save the elephants.
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the n.c.a. described last week's report detailing cheating in north carolina as shocking and deplorable. half students enrolled in paper classes. where you do little to o no work. in may, mary, a u.n.c. academic joined whistleblower outlined the problem. >> we are admitting many under prepared athletes to the programme. if we do that, we have to cheat. you are only really working. >> let's bring in dave zirin.
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host of edge of sports radio. good to see you. >> we had cheating, a massive sheeting, and she says a lot of people knew it was going on, taking kids that couldn't do classes. >> this is the logic of for-profit amateurism, a logic of an n.c.a.a. in invent vices this kind of cheating. they did a recent poll where 86% of student athletes. they saw a form. and a lot of 86% had to be taken. >> a lot of university officials knew what was going op, she said, and gave a reason. this is what she said, why no
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one would speak up. >> people are so afraid of the n.c.a.a. cartel, afraid of the fans who sent me death threats, hate mail. >> n.c.a.a. cartel. she was trashed from all sources about the fact that she spoke out, about something that now clearly is true. you said 85% got a benefit. education? >> i interviewed a lot of athletes. a lot that played at the heights, the revenue producing sports. i didn't meet one that didn't tell a story like a coach comes to me saying that these are the classes that it can take, that makes it easier to stay eligible. it makes sense why coaches, academic advisors would do that. they are working a full-time
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job, while having to hant a 2.0 g.p.a. to be eligible, which is about window dressing and cooking the books. >> what is the alternative. if they can't get into college, what would the young men do? >> the alternative is treat them like the employees that they are. in most colleges at the country, if you are an employees, you have the option to enrole and take classes. that way, what you do is separate the people that want to lef rim their skills at support, and people who are like, you know what, i am a world class athlete. this is something i have to do to get to the next level. i should get enough money to buy groceries and send some back to my family. >> that's pretty much the only alternative. the amount of money involved is always too big an incentive for the universities and coaches to achieve.
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they are hult levi millionaires. >> roy williams makes $2.1 million. the football, coaching staff make $4 million, and it's not a football powerhouse. imagine in alabama, where they put $10 million into the coaching staff. this is the problem. when you have so many in power making this much money, it creates some kind of inertia. what is the incentive for change? the only incentive is public pressure. the world is looking at this saying the emperor has know close. it's long pastime. thank you. >> that's all for now, coming up wednesday, talk show legend dick covet joins us with a lifetime of reflections in show business.
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