>> ramirez hopes that providing an up close and personal experience will inspire everyone to join the effort to save the elephants. >> defiance on ebola, a nurse publicly ignores her ordered quarantine. conflict within the obama administration as the defense secretary says the syria policy is at risk of unravelling. average americans have been more effective than the government in the hunt for terrorists. i'm antonio mora, welcome to "consider this". those stories and more ahead kaci hickox defying the

quarantine order. >> i'm going to use the legal extent. >> i'm fighting for something more than myself. >> it's a very private, blunt memi memi memio. -- memo. >> taking exception with the obama strategy. >> this is a complicated issue. >> pope francis says that evolution and the big bang theory do not conflict. >> a 29-year-old therm nally ill cancer patient. >> they have enough joy that it time. >> four people are dead in a small plane crash in kansas. >> it's a slam into the time of the building. fire. >> we begin in main, where

cassie hickox, a nurse that treated ebola patients openly defied the state order that she remain quarantined in her home, by going to a bike ride. >> there's no legal action against me, so i'm free to go on a bike ride. >> what is the status of the court order, kaci? >> i don't know, when you find out you tole me. >> the governor said he would use his full powers to report the quarantine. >> a poster put up on the website said droplets from disease could spread ebola. it could only be infected by bodily fluids. the fact sheet is being updated, it's unavailable. we called the c.d.c. and told us there was no comment. >>

a senior associate for medical facilities. a think tank. good to see you. let's begin with the c.d.c. stuff. for weeks, as i said. we heard that the science is clear, and this poster on the website that said ebola could be spread. what is going on? >> the first is we need to decipher. droplets mean things that go three feet. the other thing is that snooez is not part of the consternation of symptoms. only about 20-30% were caught. people are not going to be around sneezing. if you are sneezed on. most likely you'll be someone in personal protective equipment,

because sneezing happens early. because all of the patients are under active monitoring. sneezing is a bodily fluid. it's unlikely to happen. it will be a late symptom. >> the poster said a person could get infected by touching a surface or anything else that has the virus on it. >> we know that ebola is not a hardy virus, it can't live out of the body for long, and the body surface for any body fluid that is emanated is potentially infectious for a matter of hours, depending on the environmental conditions. sneezing is not part of the symptoms with ebola. >> after everything that we have hear,

can you blame americans for overwhelmingly, as polls quarantined. >> americans are concerned. we had two health care workers infected. we had to redouble efforts to dampen the panic. it's understandable that americans are worried about conflict. ebola is not infectious during the incubation period, so quarantining those people doesn't make sense, because they pose no risk. >> how silly are the quarantines. in most cases people are allowed to visit them. the majority saying health workers don't need to be, health

care workers with a bunch of people treated. it seems there's no consistency to what is being said. into we have a patchwork of authority. we a county and states. we have c.d.c. guidance. would they stratify people based on their risk. that talks about who needs to be under directive monitoring. it's based on a person's risk. whether they had a needle stick, taking care of practive equipment. that's the way to do this. taking exposure into account, and not doing a blanket quarantined. these blanket quarantines, you can only take them so far. the reality is what about the people who have treated the

ebola victims, at the nih or in nebraska. people. >> we shouldn't quarantine anybody. and the u.s. hospital personnel are wearing full equipment. there really is no risk. as soon as they developed system, therapist lated and are testing. there's no reason to do the psycho blanket quarantining. it applies to travellers coming back and health care workers in the united states. >> let's talk about a little good news. the number of ebola patients appears to be dropping. new cases have been following there for more than a week. one official said it's like saying your pet tiger is under control. you see a new transmission train

and numbers go up. >> some good news. sierra leone and guinea - the numbers grow at a quick pace. >> i'm optimistic about the liberian numbers. if they are accurate meaning we are cap touring the full scope of the outbreak, it's hard to tell. there's a lag and case discovery problems. we have three different outbreaks in three countries. some countries will get a handle before others. we have a way to go before getting ahead of the virus. >> are enough health care workers getting there. >> it's slow. there are people getting there. if healthcare workers from the u.s. face mandatory guarantee teens, they may not want to go. the only way to remain free is to stop it at its source.

>> you have no concern that ebola will get out of control in the united states. >> no, we rook at a trickle of imported cases so long as it rages in south africa. we have to get the travellers and health care workers out there until it stops. >> thank you. ebola is one of a cascade of international problems. the obama administration is trying to manage with degrees of success. controversy is exploited over u.s. policy in syria and israel, exposing disagreements. chuck hagel said the strategy against i.s.i.l. in iraq and syria is working, but is saying something different behind the scenes, arguing that it is in danger of unravelling, because it's not clear what thu happen to bashar al-assad.

chuck hagel did not answer question asked about it. >> this is a complicated issue. we are assessing, re-assessing and adapting to the realities of what is the best approach. how we can be most effective. that's a responsibility of any leader. and because we are significant element of this issue. we owe the president and the united states security council our best thinking on this. it has to be honest and direct. >> a report on an anonymous white house source that criticized israel yip prime minister binyamin netanyahu put the administration on the defensive. >> we condemn anybody that uses language such as used in the article. it does not reflect the president or me.

it is disgraceful, unacceptable, damaging, and i think neither president obama nor i - i have never heard that word around me in the white house. >> for more, we joined by ambassador james jeffrey who served, and as deputy national security advisor. he is a fellow at the washington institute. good to have you on the show. let's talk about secretary hagel. he dodged the report. he talked about how bashar al-assad may be benefitting from u.s. attacks in i.s.i.l. and added that u.s. policies was removed from power. >> you've reported on the show about the problems dealing with syria. now the secretary of defense doing it in what's come out to

be a public way. there were leaks about his private physician. for governments to work properly, they have to make points, including criticisms of policy. be that as it is, there are great questions about major aspects of our campaign. are we using the right materials, resources, and what do we do with bashar al-assad. he may not be our biggest problem but is the biggest problems of most of our allies. these are good questions. >> is it evidence split between the defense department and the white house. we saw an issue with messaging coming out from the white house on the one side, two secretaries and

another of occasions. there's no problem between difference of opinion between the white house and one or other agency. what is concerning us is not just disagreements over basic policy. i think we should use american ground troops. the president opted not to. it's understandable. to decide that our policy is to destroy i.s.i.s., and to use a strategy without putting if some ground observers basicallily is undercutting ground troops. few of those inconsistencies go beyond what we sense, rather than finding out what is going on in the white house and

secretary of defense's minds. if you see something, maybe white house, that there is top-down management that the president relies on the white house. that it is not paying attention. >> president obama is a strong leader. he is going to run things himself and surround himself with people, who serve his center has they should. president obama doesn't think there's military answers to problems that confront us in the world, and he has to do other things. i think he's fundamentally wrong. i don't think it's something to be fixed by communications.

>> senator blumenthal is quoted as saying he may be better served by replacement. do you think there'll about a lels? >> you white get a shake-up in relation to news reports. just as we sawies's remains. if the shake up and person comes with a shake up in his policies we'll see a different white house and policy. >> now to israel over comments made about prime minister binyamin netanyahu, calling him a

chicken expletive, calling him an accord. >> apparently the defense expert was not able to have the meetings he wanted. how big a split is in between aviv? >> it's serious put it's personnel. these charges have no place in diplomacy. it's almost a mackia vannian effort to promote doctors while giving the other guy some of his or her natural interests. and this is what we are not doing with binyamin netanyahu. he is the leader of israel. he has been reincorrected. we have to be able to deal with him if we are serious about running a social security policy. that raises a question. you hold your knows.

you deal with other leaders, if it is not important, you can have personnel grudge. in. >> i think the israelis are concerned. the security is in the hands of america and ultimately their own. this is not a good thing. israel is not going to change its policies. i think we'll have to figure out what we need from israel. what we want to do from israel and change the tone definitely. >> ambassador. good to have you with us. thank you. now for more stories from around the world. we begin in wichita kansas,

where a plane crashed shortly after takeoff, killing four people. the poilt was the only -- pilot was the only person on board the plaftenlt three people's the building were killed -- board the plane. three people were killed, the building collapsed br control. >> next to boston, an acting mayor had details. he won the job later that year, and held the office for 20 years. described as a constant presence in boston's neighbour moods. he was called bold, big heart. he was diagnosed after levering office. he wasp 71

we end in -- he was 71. >> we end in hawaii, where a volcano erunderstandings threatens a toubship. it is threatening houses and most of the people who live in the homes have been evacuated. that's some much what is what happening handwrittened the world. coming up, jihadi hunters, how average americans obtained intelligence on extremists. a religious revolution of pope francis. is he facing push back within the church. and harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories. >> a twit in the story of a woman who scheduled her death on the weekend rather than struggle through brain 4 pran cancer. let us know what you think.

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were amateur sleuths more aware of the power of the i.s.i.l. terrorists than u.s. intelligence agencies. while world leaders express surprise at the speed and brutality of the terror group as it took over large parts of syria and rick, a new breed of online jihadi hunters were ahead of them. >> joining us now is a person who covers the middle east and american foreign policy for the boston "globe", and calls us to discuss his column. new efforts tracking extremists, rewriting rules of intelligence in the process. >> great to have you with us. most of the world is surprised by the

rise of i.s.i.l. you write that there were ordinary americans coming up with information about the terrorists. how did the world miss i.s.i.l. >> what happened here was these amateur sleuths. some were experienced scholars and had other backgrounds. they were paying attention to tweets and facebook posts. footprints of i.s.i.s. volunteers. and years before the west picked up on the threat, the amateurs were honoured. >> as you said. it's relying on information, out in the public domain in twitter and facebook. you say in the piece that what

they managed to do, how much information implicitly challenges the u.s. government's claim that only massive secret surveillance can penetrate the jihadi networks. was there intelligence that was that extents i. >> what they are able to do is connect the bots using their brains, and a limited amount of data. they didn't need to listen to the cell phone taps. they looked at what was happening, and contextualize it. and figure out that the movement was growing force. one example was when nusra was on the theme. and i.s.i.s. known to a couple

of specialists. these folks who respect from washington. they were able to peace together, often in arabic the debate between recruits in i.s.i.s. long before journalists like me paid attention, e noticed a score group was quitting base they were weak kneed and flocking to i.s.i.s. it was the kind of thing about being smart. it underscores a failure of the u.s. intelligence in policy establishment to notice thing going on this plain site. what you are describing is they saw a split twine al qaeda and

i.s.i.l. before anybody else is intensity. >> one of the real potent thing about i.s.i.s. is the ability to use messaging, propaganda and ideology, to recruit committed fighters. this is something again that takes place in the open, not in clandestine channels. and my impression is that more of us should rebly kate the message, whether we are journalists or people in the government trying to figure out what is happening in organizations like i.s.i.s. or al qaeda. >> they brought up all this information that, again, hadn't been reported on, incluteding information in the coro zone group, which was described as a

splinter al qaeda planning on attacks from the west into syria. what did your jihadi hunters found out about them. did the name exist. >> the entity dressed up as a hither two unknown group was to all appearances, were members who was involved in planning attacks. we have known about them for years. it's not that they didn't exist, they weren't what the government was saying they were. they were the same people we have been hearing about and following and they were put in a big bad woof costume. and was put in place to justify the air strikes, when it was out there to be qualified by people like aaron.

they pieced through the u.s. propa ganda. identifying the locations of the bomb strikes. this group headquarters is in the exact same place as the nusra hurts, that this is what we are talking about. >> the government didn't want to demad that news already was in the first place. is this a wake-up call. not to put so much information on. >> groups were engaged in warfare. and reports, we saw reports from hostages. they are managing information

with unbelievable precision and focus. there's almost nothing that comes out from i.s. not produced by them themselves. there are people not on the payroll of the u.s. government, not trying to ferret out one tiny aspect. but who are trying to figure out what is happening. so they can be useful at times like today when we try to figure out how many control they have. how powerful are they. how much is it to por stray strectsds and how much should be -- portray strength and how much should be feared. >> it's a thought-provoking piece. pleasure to have you with us.

turning to the pope. a man was chosen to leave the catholic church. as pope francis his statements on poor, catholics, the sexual abuse scandal had been met warmly outside the church, but not on the inside. we spoke a correspondent for the main vatican news paper. and an author of a book. pleasure to have you with us. you were a friend of his. he called you within 12 hours later on your birthday. he's been criticized by some for calling people paying his own bills.

you came up with anexpression, that it's the scandal of normality. has he remained that. >> yes, he has the foot on the crowned and is authentics, people love him because he has a message bond the catholic church and a noted challenging the catholic church and reaches muslim, jews, boouddhistbuddhists, more than all kath ol sifts. he was an ability to connect with people. the first - never before has a people. >> instead of using a formal expression.

>> or a blessing. and since the first coming out he didn't have the golden uponivica cross, he stayed with his normal silver cross. >> as a friend of his, did he want to be pope. >> of course. he was ready to retire. he was so organised and had a place where to go and retire. a home for elder priests. he had the room number, number 13, and he was ready to retire, and also when he was have asked some months after being elected, did you want to be a pope, he was so spontaneous. saying someone must have to be pope.

>> is he happy being pope. >> if you see him, you know on wednesday. when you see him, you see a happy man. when i meet the argentinian prison, argentinian, then i ask them how did you the pope. how did you define... they would say, as he would have always been a pope, he is totally surreal. this is the revolution with benedict. i arrived here, and i stepped down, but here we have a man of government. a man that has been used all of his life to have a position with lots of penalties much facing a lot of difficulties and now how

to navigate the earth. >> he's coming into a church with all sorts of scandals, the corruption scandal. he had the vatican leeks problem and had to go in and make serious reforms that have not made him popular. in r -- in one sense, you know, he had the cardinals. they wanted someone to face the vatican bank accused of money laundering, and they wanted someone to do the clean up that he is doing. >> how is he being received. some call him a populist. some are not happy.

they would like a more traditional. he's not just changing. >> as you said, we have a pope that is a freeman. that has the courage to do things in a different way. palace. >> do you think he'll be a revolution which pope. he's spoken out about a lot of things in ways that other popes will not. >> i think the revolution already started. wep have a church that they - he wants is church that is knoll corn deming people. >> he wants a missionary merciful church. a church this believes god has mercy.

and doesn't want a church for exclusion. this is - is he asking a change of attitudes, also to the priests. he ask pastors with the smell of the sheep. it's a big shift to have a church that reach out, that wants to build bridges, and not wants to go. i want to see that god, m.e.r.s.ful, that nose each different person has something positive to give. >> it's a fascinating man and look at this man. "pope francis, life and revolution", it's available indoors and on throne. pleasure to have you with us. time to see what is trending on the web. aregawi.

>> we reported on an oregon woman that scheduled her death, picking november the 1st. to die with the assistance of medication prescribed by her doctor. >> i still feel good use. i have enough joy and i laugh with my family and friends. it doesn't seem like the right time. i feel it cop, because i feel fiz getting ticker. >> a lot of people on social media. many convince her not to take her life, citing religious reasons for personal stories or diagnosisize. britney completed her bucket list with a trip to the grand canyon.

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issues. editors regularly sought office, and papers were tied to political parties in a way that would shock the most sippical critics of today. lincoln was so good at manipulating them, that you may question the age-old monnicer of honest aid. i had a chance to speak to harold holtser, author of lincoln, and the power of the press. he is the chairman of the abraham lincoln bicentennial foundation, of which i'm a member. good to see you. you start the book with a quote from lincoln saying he who moulds public sentiment: that focus on public opinion is something you expect the politician to say. lincoln. >> yet he saw so quickly that

reaching the public was the only way to move people towards pol sighs that would enshrine unionism. he had a long road to travel to pursue the golds, and needed backing for what were basically unpopular clauses. >> it was important and unpopular. issue were more significant. that said, you see counter spol tirns, and in certain ways abraham lincoln was doing that. as you said in the intro. highly publicised. openly so, no disguising or masking. newspaper men, editors were part and parcel of political

organizations. editors questing for public officers to say "i want to own a newspaper. people are going back and forth, always to pursue their goals. if you get the prize, if you reach success, win a political office, the presidency, the rewards were immense. political patronage, political contracts. it could include jobs, paste masterships. lincoln entered is lot of newspaper offices, they had great jobs. >> he manipulated the press effectively, and one way was through patronage.

he writes saying "my little paper", i wish you would fulfil the advertising contract. i know you don't feel it's important, but i do. that's the way you kept them dangling. not just because you shared a compassion for issues, and they did, but the big reward. >> he partially owned a newspaper, because he saw it as an effective way of promoting his career. >> the only thing about lincoln, and it makes it - he kept it a secret. he thought there was something smarmy d it. >> it kind of was. >> it gets better, not only a newspaper, but one published in german. he made his own contract. because of his background as a lawyer, you don't do your own contract. he said the newspaper had to be conformable with republican dogma. at the end of 1860, the

presidential election year, it can have the printing presses back and the profits. all they center to do is get them elected president and get the editor to do what he was told. west. >> illinois, indiana. making states go from red to blue. the editor got his paper back and was made counsel to vienna you also said he had the most widespread readership than any. >> it's unimaginable. at the height of the concession crisis, they began - the administration moved against newspapers in new york city, more understandably in border

states on the brink of concession. baltimore newspapers. new york city, a hotbed of pro-southern sentiment. and close to 200 newspapers were suppressed by being denied mailing rights. thrown off trains. shut down. francis scott key sprot "star spangled banner" -- wrote "star spangled banner." his grandson was arrested. he was thrown into fort mchenry with no fireworks. one of the things you write is that the biased that existed had not been seep before or anything you complained about. great to

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halloween is here and the data dive looks at text appeal. the government found various governments around the world are cracking down on witchcraft. saucery is punishable by death. the unit educates the public about the evils of sourcery, investigates witches, and supposedly reverses spells and neutralizes cursed paraphernalia. romania expanded its tax code to include a 16% tax on witches. a coverb of witches.

a poison plant was cast into the river. one which, compulsively containing dog and cat faecal matter. neither worked because a law was cracked down on for witches who incorrectly told the future. at one point as many as 40% of the court cases were witchcraft prosecutions. pig miss in um becky were accused of a crime punishable by 10 years more than two dozen officials in the inner circle of former president mahmoud ahmadinejad were arrested for practicing sourcery and black magic. it was part of a bigger fight here in the u.s. the most

maimous witch trials took place in salom massachusetts. more than 200 were accused of witchcraft, and 20 executed. the colony admitted it was a mistake these days local businesses lick up to 100 million a year in merchandise and memorabilia. >>

is the n.f.l. trying to save itself at the expense of players who were seriously injured on the football field. the concussion settlement is nearing final approval. lawyers representing thousands say the deal was extraordinary, and if the fires get sick, they get paid. newly uncovered details paint them as a chance to cheat the players. reducing awards, sometimes on technicalityies, and putting up

obstacles for filing the claim. if it's unfair, why do they agree to a bad deal. >> the n.f.l. concussion sentiment is evil. >> the vice sports ruby - it's good to have you on the show, the title of your piece, exhaustive, tells us what you thought of it. this could save the n.f.l. billions, more than what it agreed originally to pay out. >> that right. when you look at the deal, when you read through the objections. it's been engineered. it's been designed to limit the payouts and the money going to the n.f.l. into the pockets and hands of brain damaged former players. the men and their families who are hurt or in need.

it's an extraordinary deal. not so much will not be compensated. there's a number of provisions set up to do this. some of the biggest ones that are concerning off the bat. the disease at the heart of league of denial. you would think it's covered. it's only covered in the deal if you were intig novembered between 2006 and july of this year. that's it. every guy going gore it that goats the disease and sky, they are out of luck. the only way to get money is why they are living understand certain circumstances. >> one of the interesting things about is is there's differents qualifications.

like if you have a.l.s. or oar neurocognitive impairment. if a person with c.t.e. qualifies, many of the symptoms that present when you have c.t.e. they make it hard to have a job or family. they are not screened for by the settlement. >> if it's not cognitive, what they are looking at is not the mood disorders that are likely to happen with c.t.e. matter. >> think about the famous faces. what happened to the young men. they were upstanding citizens, they make bad decisions, come into

gambling pt the men . in two-thirds of cases they presented a number of age. that's another one of things about the settlement. it's set up that the older you are, the less money you goat. it's almost in a way evil genius. they know a lot of things would come later. >> you bring up kevin cobb. he suffers from ringing this his ears. light sensitivity and head aiks. none are -- headaches, none are covered in the settlement. the list goes on: strokes, by the way, are more likely if you had a concussion.

the list of symptoms not covered are. >> it's longer. i want to commence strokes that are important. strokes have an offset. if you have a stroke, you are subject to a 75% reduction in the award. having played football it addresses your risk. if you are african american, you have a higher risk of stroke. this drug, a pain-killer administered in the n.f.l. against recommendations... >> it increases the risks. all the increased risks, but it increases the amount of money you can get. known how quickly you can answer it. what is the best options for

players. >> the thing with the settlement is it was an opt of in settlement. in possession you are a player that wrote to the court. your best bet is to go to the fairness hearing in philadelphia, where it was put in frost judge brody. she has to decide if the deal was fair, reasonable and adequate. there'll probably be appeals in federal court. there are players that opt out, and they'll pursue occasions against teams and the league. if you goodnight do that your best bet is to write a letter to the court exhaustive reporting. we'll stay on it. >> that's all for now.

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